Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.
I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.
I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.
Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.
Brian Wilde
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35m35 minutes ago
My final top 15 Picks
1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren
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They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.
If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.
Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.
but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.
Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.
Grant McCagg
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1h1 hour ago
Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.
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is obviously better than the last pick in the 2nd round, but I hesitate to call this good news for anyone other than TB if it happens.
Well another positive is it gets Tavares out of the division.
That I'd agree with and I didn't mean to say if the Rangers get eliminated they shouldn't root for TB to win the cup to improve that pick, they should, but the NHL draft is really top heavy for historical success.
For example, pick #31, only 29% of players picked #31 even play 100 NHL games. Regardless of quality. Only 10% become top 6F/top 4D. 85% however are "4th line or worse"
Statistically speaking, historically (over a 23 year sample) pick #31 is actually worse than pick #62 (32% of players picked at #32 play in 100 NHL games, but only 7.5% become top 6/4 and 86% are "4th line or worse").
Anyway, it's all just numbers if your scouts are good they'll beat the percentages, just saying it's not as great a prize to have take a way the sting of seeing the ex-Rangers win a cup (if you care about things like that).
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is obviously better than the last pick in the 2nd round, but I hesitate to call this good news for anyone other than TB if it happens.
Well another positive is it gets Tavares out of the division.
That I'd agree with and I didn't mean to say if the Rangers get eliminated they shouldn't root for TB to win the cup to improve that pick, they should, but the NHL draft is really top heavy for historical success.
For example, pick #31, only 29% of players picked #31 even play 100 NHL games. Regardless of quality. Only 10% become top 6F/top 4D. 85% however are "4th line or worse"
Statistically speaking, historically (over a 23 year sample) pick #31 is actually worse than pick #62 (32% of players picked at #32 play in 100 NHL games, but only 7.5% become top 6/4 and 86% are "4th line or worse").
Anyway, it's all just numbers if your scouts are good they'll beat the percentages, just saying it's not as great a prize to have take a way the sting of seeing the ex-Rangers win a cup (if you care about things like that).
PJ, I definitely agree and usually outside the top 5-10 picks, it's all a crap shoot. I am on board with a full rebuild and the more assets you can get the better chance you will have to hit on picks. At a minimum, they are building depth. It's a far cry from when Sather was at the reigns and would throw away picks on trying to chase a cup. Just my opinion of course.
Holy shit. Would be close to the NHL version of a super team.
Stamos
Kucherov
Tavares
Hedman
Vasilevsky
McDonagh
Might be as dominant as the Gretzky Oilers.
Hope it doesn't happen.
Also heard Plekanec back to the Habs. Could have predicted that one.
Where is this specualtion? Most of the bigger hockey experts are saying they expect him back to isles
Thanks, just thought I had missed something. I assume tomorrow will be the day all of us Isles fans celebrate or go back to same old shit despite hiring lou and trotz
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
I read that you dont have to be under the cap until a certain day....not sure if true. So they can sign him and then worry about trading guys
They have a lot of money off the books next year (most on D - all the ex-Rangers D - McDonagh, Girardi, Stralman), plus Coburn - freeing up over $17M starting next year.
They can make it work.
Callahan was also a candidate to dump.
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
According to cap friendly they are $5M under the cap with 20 of 23 contracts.
After JT Miller extension.
Maybe the 200k is after RFA tenders to players like Paquette.
Sharks +275
Leafs +500
Bruins +700
Stars +800
Lightning +850
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
I'm sure the Rangers will bail out Stevie Y
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
They would have to make a trade.
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How the hell can they afford to sign him? Look at their cap numbers:
Stamkos 8.5 million
Hedman 7.87 million
Callahan 5.8 million
Palat 5.3 million
Miller 5.25 million
Johnson 5 million
Kucherov 4.766 million (due for a new contract soon)
McDonagh 4.7 million
Stralman 4.5 million
Killorn 4.45 million
They reportedly have less than 200K in cap room.
I'm sure the Rangers will bail out Stevie Y
The Devils will be happy to take Hedman's deal off their hands. Hell we will even take Vasilevsliy as well.
Especially if it helps get Tavares out of the division.
Especially if it helps get Tavares out of the division.
2) Sign jack Johnson to a 6 year 14 million deal.
Seems like more than he's worth.
Also, 5 year deal for Jack Johnson (3 - 3.5M per) and I know he's Crosby's buddy, but man, he's is a perfect example of rapidly eroding skills.
Seems like more than he's worth.
Also, 5 year deal for Jack Johnson (3 - 3.5M per) and I know he's Crosby's buddy, but man, he's is a perfect example of rapidly eroding skills.
6 years...AAV is what Hunwick was.
Not bad.
Rust's deal is fine, he is pretty valuable, can play a variety of positions.
Everything I see says 5. And just b/c Hunwick was overpaid isn't a good reason to overpay Johnson.
Jason Mackey
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.@MarkMaddenX first reported that the Penguins intend to sign defenseman Jack Johnson Sunday to a five-year deal. Confirming that. Source says it will be in the $16 million range total (between $3-$3.5 million AAV).
Don't see that too often, especially for a guy like DSP who isn't like a mega $$$ player at the end of his career.
Pierre LeBrun
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37m37 minutes ago
Hearing that @smithpelly23 has agreed to return to the Caps on a one-year deal. Believe that he turned down more lucrative offers from two other teams but wanted to stay with the Cup champs who are tight vs the salary cap
Ryan O'Reilly is a good player, but not even close to this good.
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10m10 minutes ago
Pierre Lebrun on Insider Trading says the Sabres asking price for Ryan OReilly is a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick + a very good prospect
Ryan O'Reilly is a good player, but not even close to this good.
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10m10 minutes ago
Pierre Lebrun on Insider Trading says the Sabres asking price for Ryan OReilly is a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick + a very good prospect
Is that before or after his 7.5 mil bonus is paid
he still is owed a ton of money for a long time.
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The New York Rangers have been in talks with forward Leo Komarov on a multi-year deal. Sounds like it's getting to that point. Wouldn't be surprised to see deal finalized on Sunday.
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The New York Rangers have been in talks with forward Leo Komarov on a multi-year deal. Sounds like it's getting to that point. Wouldn't be surprised to see deal finalized on Sunday.
have to get that sandpaper.
Agreed, unless they need to buyout Staal.
The Post this morning had this quote:
If you knew you were rebuilding, why did they buyout Girardi?
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Lucic isn't an offensive threat anymore. He had his lowest point total in 8 seasons.
Good third line though if you have Komarov, Lucic, and re-sign Cody McLeod.
No one would want to face that line and no one would mess with the youngsters.
I could take or leave Komarov. Not too much term, please.
But I have to say, I haven't liked a lot of Gorton's transactions lately. The draft (and the trade up and the selection of a goalie in the second round), the McDonagh/Miller trade (thought we could've definitely gotten more), Grabner trade was okay, but he reportedly had a ton of interest so it makes me wonder whether we could've gotten more.
And Komarov is whatever. His best days are behind him. He'll be a nice mentor for the kids and a solid guy on the PK. My concern is the length and the terms of the deal. We have all this cap space so I wonder if Gorton will overpay him.
More important to me that theyve embraced the process. It was necessary.
I could take or leave Komarov. Not too much term, please.
Like what? a draft pick? Chiarelli has shown he's not exactly a shrewd negotiator, but I wouldn't pay someone significant assets to take on Lucic. He's overpaid, but on a team with McDavid it's nice to have a guy who can intimidate a little.
Maybe for the Coyotes if he's reinstated.
Renaud Lavoie
@renlavoietva
50m50 minutes ago
On Slava Voynov. His rights are still owned by the Kings and reports that the Canadiens and the Kings had trade talks regarding him are not accurate, according to multiple sources. Conclusion: hell never play in Montreal.
If he needs to throw in a player of value to get someone to take Lucic off their hands how does he keep his job?
With a regime change I think you can get away with deals like that, but not when you're the guy who did the damage in the first place. At least IMO.
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A deal for Lucic wont just be a sandpaper add. The rangers should be getting something else of good quality for taking him on. 2 birds.
I could take or leave Komarov. Not too much term, please.
Like what? a draft pick? Chiarelli has shown he's not exactly a shrewd negotiator, but I wouldn't pay someone significant assets to take on Lucic. He's overpaid, but on a team with McDavid it's nice to have a guy who can intimidate a little.
Youre more in tune with these things than I am, but most of what Ive read (not NYR-centric sources) seems to say that Edmonton is pretty eager to make the dump and that given the remaining term, it wont be cheap. Its 5 years, high $, and a skill set that doesnt really age well (apart from the fists).
We'll see, like I said nothing Chiarelli does shocks me other than the fact he's still employed.
He and Bergevin could combine on trades that somehow both teams lose.
I have a strange feeling that a deal gets done with NYR, and that it involves at least an unprotected 1st or a nice prospect.
I have a strange feeling that a deal gets done with NYR, and that it involves at least an unprotected 1st or a nice prospect.
It would have to. Lucic's contract is absolutely putrid and the thought of having to protect him in the expansion draft in a few years? I'd want a first rounder, Yamamoto, and I would take a chance on Pully...and Smith or Staal would have to agree to go the other way.
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EDM would be more focused on freeing up the full $6m to improve the cast of characters around CMcD.
I have a strange feeling that a deal gets done with NYR, and that it involves at least an unprotected 1st or a nice prospect.
It would have to. Lucic's contract is absolutely putrid and the thought of having to protect him in the expansion draft in a few years? I'd want a first rounder, Yamamoto, and I would take a chance on Pully...and Smith or Staal would have to agree to go the other way.
LOL.
If this happens, Chiarelli will be sued by the Oilers fans.
You want:
EDM Sends:
Lucic (and his full salary)
Kailer Yamamoto (up and coming 19 year old first round pick from 2017 - team USA WJC U18 and U20 - starred in both tourneys)
1st round pick
Jesse Puljujarvi (19 year old #4 overall pick in 2016)
Rangers send:
Staal - whose salary pretty much cancels Lucic for the next three years and is a worse player.
I don't even expect trades this lopsided proposed from WFAN callers.
I really believe if Chiarelli makes a trade like this he'd get death threats.
300k salary relief and a worse player and you want more?
If the Rangers keep Staal and unload Deangelo or someone else I guess I can see the Oilers sweetening it a little for the Rangers to take all that salary, but not Yamamoto. I wouldn't do that.
300k salary relief and a worse player and you want more?
If the Rangers keep Staal and unload Deangelo or someone else I guess I can see the Oilers sweetening it a little for the Rangers to take all that salary, but not Yamamoto. I wouldn't do that.
Lucic's contract is longer than Staal's. They would have to protect Lucic in an expansion draft.