NFT: NHL Draft and Offseason Discussion

In comment 14007088 pjcas18 said:

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not quite like Radulov for the Habs two years ago, but close. Not sure who the teams are. Quote: Allan Walsh ‏Verified account @walsha Czech born center Jan Kovar (one of the top scorers in the KHL over the last several years) has received multiple offers from NHL teams. He will be making a decision soon. Some video of this dynamic player here-

How old is he, and is he viewed more as a 2C type?

and yes, probably a 2C or even a 3C who can score.

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Mike Cairns ‏ Verified account @MikeCairns5 Follow Follow @MikeCairns5 More More on Erik Karlsson trade. Hearing Are friends the NY Rangers may have to be a trade partner to make this happen. Stay tuned !!

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There's been reports suggesting that Ottawa wants someone to take Bobby Ryan's contract as part of a Karlsson trade and given the Lightning's cap situation, they would likely need to find a third-party willing to accept Ryan's contract in exchange for some other assets.

Besides Ryan, wonder what assets would come our way in a deal like that.

being asked to join in tampa/ottawa trade for karlsson. cant see that team being in the east but definitely interesting development.

the price should be quite high for helping tampa win the cup next year... salary dump of tyler johnson for future late round draft pick maybe?

In comment 14007153 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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Quote: Mike Cairns ‏ Verified account @MikeCairns5 Follow Follow @MikeCairns5 More More on Erik Karlsson trade. Hearing Are friends the NY Rangers may have to be a trade partner to make this happen. Stay tuned !! From Roto: Quote: There's been reports suggesting that Ottawa wants someone to take Bobby Ryan's contract as part of a Karlsson trade and given the Lightning's cap situation, they would likely need to find a third-party willing to accept Ryan's contract in exchange for some other assets. Besides Ryan, wonder what assets would come our way in a deal like that.

I assume it needs to be a lot as he has four years at $7.5mm per left on his deal. Not sure I'd want that contract unless we get a pretty darn god prospect back.

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In comment 14007153 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said: Quote: Quote: Mike Cairns ‏ Verified account @MikeCairns5 Follow Follow @MikeCairns5 More More on Erik Karlsson trade. Hearing Are friends the NY Rangers may have to be a trade partner to make this happen. Stay tuned !! From Roto: Quote: There's been reports suggesting that Ottawa wants someone to take Bobby Ryan's contract as part of a Karlsson trade and given the Lightning's cap situation, they would likely need to find a third-party willing to accept Ryan's contract in exchange for some other assets. Besides Ryan, wonder what assets would come our way in a deal like that. I assume it needs to be a lot as he has four years at $7.5mm per left on his deal. Not sure I'd want that contract unless we get a pretty darn god prospect back.

the 3rd team in this is not going to gain much, and the goal will most likely be to move salary out of Tampa rather then out of Ottawa. youre most likely looking at a dump of callahan or similar type contract out of tampa.

regardless, screw that whole idea IMO. Tampa got themselves in cap trouble, the return wouldnt be worth saving them and gifting them the best defensemenin the league.

as they could add assets and also make it more likely to get the extra first rounder from Tampa winning the cup

In comment 14007194 Kyle in NY said:

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as they could add assets and also make it more likely to get the extra first rounder from Tampa winning the cup

It would be the last pick in the first round. Not exactly rushing to help them. Stevie Y has taken advantage of us too many times.

Picks help but get cost controlled players.

In comment 14007233 Anakim said:

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In comment 14007194 Kyle in NY said: Quote: as they could add assets and also make it more likely to get the extra first rounder from Tampa winning the cup It would be the last pick in the first round. Not exactly rushing to help them. Stevie Y has taken advantage of us too many times.

What�s the downside? We�d likely just be using our cap space to take a bad contract while we�re rebuilding anyway and there�d be some compensation for doing so.

IMO, agree with Kyle, pick 31 is better than pick 58 - 62...by a lot.

and it's not like the Lightning are a major rival of the Rangers.

I can see not "helping" the Penguins or Capitals, even the Bruins, but TB is kind of innocuous even with all the ex-Rangers there.

like its close. I wonder if Rangers will be included. I don't see how a 3rd team isn't.

Seems to be a lot of chatter on twitter

not. Cally deserves his cup. He was a great Ranger.

Rick Carpiniello reports Erik Karlsson won�t be coming to Manhattan, The Athletic has learned. According to people familiar with the New York Rangers� thinking, a trade for Karlsson would go against their rebuild in that they would not be willing to give up the top prospects it would take to get him, they would not be willing to take on Bobby Ryan, whose cap-hit the Senators desperately want to dump as part of a deal, and they would not be willing to extend Karlsson to a Drew Doughty-type of contract (he just re-signed with Los Angeles for eight years at $11 million per). Karlsson is signed through the coming season ($6.5 million) and an extension would not kick in until he�s 29, in 2019-20.Ryan, 31, carries a $7.25 million annual cap hit for each of the next four seasons. Not even part of the consideration is that Karlsson is coming off complicated ankle surgery in the summer of 2017.

The Erik Karlsson trade rumours have been flying around for quite some time, and one reporter says it has finished.
TSN's Shawn Simpson tweeted that a trade sending Erik Karlsson to Tampa Bay has been finished, and now needs to be approved by the league's office.

If this is the case, they Senators will either need to retain cap on Karlsson, or take on a player like Ryan Callahan to save cap space.

The Lightning with Karlsson will be an almost guarantee for the Stanley cup if this report turns out to be true. Solidifying the defensive core with Hedman and Mcdonagh round out the top 3, and Steven Stamkoes and Nikita Kucherov already up front.

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In comment 14007233 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14007194 Kyle in NY said: Quote: as they could add assets and also make it more likely to get the extra first rounder from Tampa winning the cup It would be the last pick in the first round. Not exactly rushing to help them. Stevie Y has taken advantage of us too many times. What�s the downside? We�d likely just be using our cap space to take a bad contract while we�re rebuilding anyway and there�d be some compensation for doing so.

That's the thing though. I'm not gonna pretend like I know any of the Lightning prospects, but on the hoof they don't seem very good. They're not trading Sergache. Cal Foote? Meh. Taylor Raddysh? Even more meh. Slater Cuckoo has an awesome name but he sucks.

Rangers were never going to be players for EK. I'd take a contract though to add more assets though.

Sure as hell wish we could get EK but he probably doesn't want to come to Jersey.
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For all the talk of the NYR possibly being the 3rd team in the OTT/TB potential trade, I'm told the Devils have also been in the mix and may possibly be the 3rd team when all is said and done. Not set in stone, but NJ has been involved in these talks.

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just for taking a contract. Ottawa desperately needs assets... has tons of cap room... but a dirt cheap owner who won't take a contract back to improve the team.

Ottawa will be to the NHL as the Knicks are to the NBA. A joke. We do have some decent prospects but we're about to give away a generational talent for 2nd liners. Just watch.

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David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod In late-Nov, Andrei Markov reached out to the Canadiens, informed Bergevin he was very unhappy in the KHL and wanted to return. I'm told Bergevin told him no. With Weber out 5-6 months, and no options in UFA market, could/should Markov be an option for MTL now?

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David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod 3m3 minutes ago David Pagnotta Retweeted David Pagnotta At the start of negotiations last summer, Markov was willing to agree to a 1-year term. Wanted 2, willing to take 1. Main issue, I'm told, is that he was spoken to "disrespectfully" by GM & talks broke. Markov is again willing to take a 1-year deal now. Will MTL agree? We'll see.

for MTL, but not to be.

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Stephen Whyno ‏Verified account @SWhyno 25s26 seconds ago Isles agree to terms on 1-year deal with 28-year-old Czech center Jan Kovar, who was a point-a-game player in the KHL.

trade has hit a snag with the salaries and 3rd team.

things seem to have quieted down.

In comment 14009947 pjcas18 said:

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trade has hit a snag with the salaries and 3rd team. things seem to have quieted down.

I think Ottawa is in a tough spot (mostly of their own making) and is poised to screw this up.

Since he has a partial NTC and impending FA status, connecting the dots on his preferred destinations with teams who have assets and cap room is going to be tough.

I think the temptation to keep him now thinking they can reduce the pain of the pick they owe COL and still recoup assets for him at the deadline is fool's gold. And I think they most likely end up going in that direction.

In comment 14009947 pjcas18 said:

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trade has hit a snag with the salaries and 3rd team. things seem to have quieted down.

Once that deal finally happens (I assume either to Tampa or Dallas), I think you'll see the domino effect and we would see some decent activity.

is multi-faceted, 1st my guess is that OTT wants a 1st, but if TB wins the cup the Rangers get their 1st, so then it would be a 2020 1st to OTT and they'd then go at least 3 years with no 1st round pick, since they had already traded 2018 1st to NYR plus my guess is to get the 2020 1st TB would need to include a 2nd round pick.

Then there are the salary issues, and to get teams to take Callahn or Girardi or Stralman they'd need to include good young players or picks.

If TB wins the cup then so what who cares about 1st round picks when you're winning cups, but if they don't that franchise could be a disaster - and they still need to find a way to resign Kucherov after the season.

I just think TB is a bad trade partner. Dallas is better but they're not parting ways with Heiskanen.

I don't think OTT will keep Karlsson for any reason other than a solid offer isn't made.

They know he's not re-signing and the options are the trade deadline will be less than what they are now.

FYI, not sure if you saw but TB already extended Kucherov this morning.

8 x $9.5

In comment 14009969 bigbluehoya said:

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FYI, not sure if you saw but TB already extended Kucherov this morning. 8 x $9.5

No, didn't see, thanks. Maybe that puts more pressure on unloading $$ to make Karlsson work. They have $12M coming off the books just in D after the season with Girardi, Stralman, and Coburn so they probably are hesitant to part with assets for someone to take the contract for one season.

My guess is if TB gets Karlsson they have to include Tyler Johnson and a young player like Brayden Point (plus a bad contract like Callahan).

it's going to make it that much harder for them to thread the needle, and supposedly SY said there are no trades close for them. But who knows.

If I were Ottawa I'd do everything I could to just deal Karlsson's rights for a decent young roster player and a 1st round pick that has a chance to be in the lotto. Without an extension it's probably not maximizing the return but something is a lot better than nothing. Could the same deal be available at the deadline? Maybe. Or EK could get hurt. But at the trade deadline the only first round picks up for grabs are going to be in the 20-30 range. Do the trade now and you might be able to get lucky and get a late lotto pick like the Islanders did with Calgary.

you have to figure the potential interested teams would be limited to contenders, and contenders with cap space to extend Karlsson. So on top of the pick sucking, not as many potential teams involved.

as a 2 month rental his value is even less than as a 1 year rental (obvious?).

And even though sometimes teams get desperate at the deadline, I would not bank on that.

Not trading Karlsson would be worse than the Islanders not trading Tavares. The Islanders at least had a chance to re-sign Tavares (and at one point were the favorites to retain him), the Senators have close to 0% chance of re-signing Karlsson.

In comment 14009977 pjcas18 said:

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you have to figure the potential interested teams would be limited to contenders, and contenders with cap space to extend Karlsson. So on top of the pick sucking, not as many potential teams involved. as a 2 month rental his value is even less than as a 1 year rental (obvious?). And even though sometimes teams get desperate at the deadline, I would not bank on that. Not trading Karlsson would be worse than the Islanders not trading Tavares. The Islanders at least had a chance to re-sign Tavares (and at one point were the favorites to retain him), the Senators have close to 0% chance of re-signing Karlsson.

Totally agree. Add in the fact that his injury history has been more extensive than Tavares and it's an infinitely worse decision to hold him, and that's saying something considering how dumb the Isles played things under Snow.

no-trades, but even if they weren't I'd be hesitant to make a massive offer for Karlsson.

feet/ankles are so critical to a puck moving defenseman (obvious again?)

awesome player, not sure how he'll age.

inform Max Pacioretty they will not be negotiating an extension with him.

one question.

Why publicly say that? How does that help the prospect of trading him?

Otherwise put yourselves in a long line of idiot rebuilding teams who let valuable players walk for nothing.

extend Hellebuyck for 6 years. I like him. Good move. Jets will be tough for a few years if they can keep it together and stay healthy, good young talent and Byfuglien is a beast.

In comment 14011554 pjcas18 said:

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extend Hellebuyck for 6 years. I like him. Good move. Jets will be tough for a few years if they can keep it together and stay healthy, good young talent and Byfuglien is a beast.

just over $6M AAV. Probably about right if he plays like he did this year.

Cody McLeod to a one year deal. Why?

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In comment 14012007 Greg from LI said:

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I like most of his moves so far..but don't get this one.

It's only a one year deal and with all of the cap space we have..I'ts a non event unless he takes ice time away from the kids.

and that's what McLeod is.

If they're going to bring up young kids, they need someone like McLeod.

We signed 5 4th liner grinder types

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We signed 5 4th liner grinder types

McLeod vs. the Islanders

Rangers have signed pending RFA forward Cristoval Nieves
1 year / 2-way deal

NHL: $708,750 (105%)
Minor: 70,000

Nieves accepted his Qualifying Offer given him by the Rangers, which was set to expire at 5:00pm EST on July 15th.

McLeod is an awful, awful hockey player.

In comment 14012540 Greg from LI said:

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McLeod is an awful, awful hockey player.

Yeah, I agree. The Canadiens last year claimed Nicolas Deslaurier off waivers, I like him a lot for the 4th line.

Bruiser, while he's not a strong skater he's max effort, and he can fight with anyone in the league.

Deslauriers was a 3rd round pick and I don't think McLeod was even drafted, so Deslauriers has a different talent level, but agree with you.

In comment 14012540 Greg from LI said:

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McLeod is an awful, awful hockey player.

Beleskey could be that. Wouldn't mind at all if he was on the opening day roster

deslauriers they traded Zach Redmond for him.

making the move from KHL to NHL.

Probably why WAS was so willing to move Grubauer.

Is Sorokin next? I read he hated Garth Snow.

Shestyorkin?

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In comment 14014125 Anakim said:

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Yeah. But could be next of the Russian goalies.

has two years left on his deal and would have to buy it out himself to come over.
He'll come after the deal expires