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apparently taking calls on Krejci and Backes (per McKenzie)

They'd like to move Backes from what I read, but would only reluctantly move Krejci.

Both have term left and I believe both have some NMC/NTC of some type.

I think that's just smoke. On Krejci especially.

Max Domi for Alex Galchenyuk



Kaboom!

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In comment 13992457 pjcas18 said:

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I don't get it either. Both players need a change of scenery, but Galchenyuk is the superior player and they're both pretty close in age.

Bergevin...

in MTL I guess - Subban ad Galchenyuk two of the most skilled players I've seen in MTL.

But then how do you explain Drouin for Sergachev?

no clue what Bergevin's plan is.

Rumored to be extending Domi, who has steadily regressed the past two years.

And he's also not a real C.

You don't really have Centers


So why did you just trade a Center? And no, I don't consider Druin a Center.

a center either, that's the only complaint I have about him.

Drouin is a better center than Galchenyuk, but not saying much.

Domi isn't a C either, but he's similar to Galchenyuk at C. Just not nearly as skilled.

Someone joked the Canadiens were planning to draft Tkachuk and put him on a line with Domi and Andrew Shaw or Brendan Gallagher. Holy asshole line.

4 were empty-netters


Yeeeee-ikes

have the same ppg over their careers (Galchenyuk's career is obviously longer).

I just don't think this trade is purely about hockey.

Galchenyuk is the clearly superior player.

Why not just trade him at the draft. Makes no sense.

It leaked last year (by a back-stabbing reporter) that Alex was in the league substance abuse program and he had an incident with his wife where she was charged with domestic assault. I wouldn't be surprised if something else like this leaks.

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a center either, that's the only complaint I have about him. Drouin is a better center than Galchenyuk, but not saying much.

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Chayka on Galchenyuk: �He�s has success playing the center position. ... I don�t think we�d make this trade if we didn�t think he had the ability to play center.�

in a Therrien/Julien system and saying he had success at it means he really didn't look at the film or he's going back further.

Maybe he had success in juniors at C (OHL - not sure), but Drouin was the highest scoring C in the history of the QMJHL and he's not a legit NHL C either.

Chucky may succeed in AZ at C, but with the system they have in MTL and the coach they have today, he's not a C.

Among other things:

Rangers called Carolina to inquire about moving up to #2 to pick Svechnikov, but that's not happening.



"Chances are that if the Rangers make a substantial move leading into Friday�s first round of the entry draft in Dallas, it will involve Kevin Hayes. Multiple sources report the 26-year-old impending Group II free-agent center has attracted significant interest from around the league as general manager Jeff Gorton sifts through various scenarios both connected to and independent of improving the club�s ninth-overall position...

Teams have been nibbling at Spooner, arbitration-eligible and one year away from unrestricted free agency, but it is Hayes, in the very same contractual spot, who has the most value on the market. Coming off a year in which he scored a career-high 25 goals while embracing his role as a matchup center, Hayes will likely command a five-year deal in the neighborhood of $4.75 million per...

The Rangers don�t seem keen on including Hayes in a deal to move up a few spots in the first round. The inference is that if he�s moved, it would be as the centerpiece as a deal to add a righty defenseman. Winnipeg�s Jacob Trouba seems out of reach, but the Flames could be make for an interesting match. There seems to be little interest in dealing for Dougie Hamilton, but, and we have made this point before, the Blueshirts might be able to get Adam Fox, the Harvard defenseman who paired with lefty prospect Ryan Lindgren for Team USA at the past two World Junior tournaments."

is a disaster already.

next they'll trade Pacioretty for the right to pay Chris Pronger.

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NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch 8h8 hours ago McKenzie: "Where things get interesting is with the Canadiens at #3, earlier in the season I would've said don't overthink it, Zadina is your guy... I guess what I'm saying now is it's not inconceivable, based on my polling from scouts I talked to, Kotkaniemi may be BPA at #3".

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is a disaster already. next they'll trade Pacioretty for the right to pay Chris Pronger. Quote: NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch 8h8 hours ago McKenzie: "Where things get interesting is with the Canadiens at #3, earlier in the season I would've said don't overthink it, Zadina is your guy... I guess what I'm saying now is it's not inconceivable, based on my polling from scouts I talked to, Kotkaniemi may be BPA at #3".

There's talk about Zadina falling out of the top-5. I wonder if the Rangers make a move up to secure him.

falls out of the top 5 this would be similar to the 2012 draft in some regards. Habs pick 3rd and you have Yakupov and Galchenyuk sandwiched between 8 D.

then Filip Forsberg.

Probably the best player from the that draft, at 11.

Zadina is similar to Forsberg IMO.

Canadiens should take Zadina. I can see a case being made for Kotkaniemi but it's solely because he's a center IMO, not because he's a better player and that's not how you draft.

I like Tkachuk, more than some, but not at 3.

I could live with Kotkaniemi, I prefer Zadina, and I'd only like Tkachuk with a small trade down.

Bouchard (the other rumored player) I like too, but definitely not at 3.

Zadina and manage to keep one of their other 1sts it could be the steal of the draft.

In comment 13993292 pjcas18 said:

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Canadiens should take Zadina. I can see a case being made for Kotkaniemi but it's solely because he's a center IMO, not because he's a better player and that's not how you draft.\

That's kind of like what happened last year with the Rangers (if you believe the rumors). They drafted Andersson because he was the most NHL-ready of all the players at 7 and the Rangers desperately need a center, but he also had a limited ceiling compared to guys like Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Tippett, and Rasmussen.

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Zadina and manage to keep one of their other 1sts it could be the steal of the draft.

Could see Brooklyn also interested in trading up to secure Zadina. Someone to put in the NHL right away and pair with Barzal

haves speculated Kovalvhuk is the domino waiting to fall that will spur other transactions, and something could be announced before the draft Friday (though technically he cannot sign until 7/1 he can reach an agreement before then) for players like Skinner, Pacioretty, Hayes (or Spooner), etc.

the draft is an important deadline for Kovy b/c teams reportedly now view the draft as a better trade opportunity than the deadline.

makes sense on both points to me, and interest in Kovy has reportedly been up to as many as 10 teams with serious interest.

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in the sense that outside of Dahlin and Svechnikov, opinions on the rest have really varied. I've seen prospects like Hughes, Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard, Wahlstromm, Boqvist, and now Kotkaniemi all ranked as high as the top 5 and as low as 10-12 depending on the scouting service. And now even Zadina is trending down slightly.

Really impossible to get the slightest read on who will even be available for the Rangers at 9.

I wonder if it's a function of just having a bunch of really solid prospects from 1 - 15 or that after Dahlin and Svechnikov it's a mediocre draft.

I'm not an expert but I really believe there are about 15 prospects in this draft that could go anywhere in the top 10 and be considered a solid pick. that seems like a strong draft to me but maybe it's because of less certainty.

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a center either, that's the only complaint I have about him. Drouin is a better center than Galchenyuk, but not saying much. Domi isn't a C either, but he's similar to Galchenyuk at C. Just not nearly as skilled. Someone joked the Canadiens were planning to draft Tkachuk and put him on a line with Domi and Andrew Shaw or Brendan Gallagher. Holy asshole line.

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Renaud Lavoie on The Jeff Blair Show says it was not only Bergevin, Therrien & Julien who didn�t see Galchenyuk as a centre, but when Lavoie asked the U23 N.A. team management at the World Cup why AG was not chosen, they said they need C�s, and they were convinced AG wasn�t a C.

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Sources: Barry Trotz is stepping down as head coach in WASH. Please follow the thread...

He's going to get paid, though.

playing much better defense once he took over there. He's exactly what the Islanders need. I hope they pay him whatever he asks.

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He's going to get paid, though.

I like him more than Julien or Therrien. But I don't think he's as good as Quenneville or Babcock or even Lavy of active coaches. Not many others I'd take over him., Sullivan?

I don't think he's bad. I don't think he's elite, though.

I think Torts is a bit better than most. Definitely Sullivan. I like Paul Maurice too.

I think there's a big chunk of guys that are largely interchangeable.

Looked in on Kotkaniemi. A little surprising buts that�s their guy.

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Then flipped to Florida.

thread?

Good luck competing with the South Beach models, babe

Could they not have just made that exact deal with Florida? San Jose gets much more for Hoffman two hours after the acquired him for peanuts from the Sens.

Rough times in Ottawa

Meh for SJ to be honest.

None of those 4 draft picks are likely to make a meaningful contribution to SJ. They shed a meh player, for a meh return so I guess they breakeven. Florida gets a high 20 goal scorer. He's a douche, lazy defensively but fast as hell and can score. Ottawa continues to get bent over and have odd shaped items rammed up their ass.

clears $4mm in cap space to allow them to chase Tavares or Kovalchuk. While recouping the assets they gave up for Kane. That's not insignificant. All for just serving as the middleman

Zynroskiv? (Spell). Clearing bodies or space?

Anyone have an idea?

The Senators are an absolute mess.

Not too long ago? Don�t get it. He had to be making less than $1m. Don�t know why we need the money now.

He's not good, that's why they released him. He was considered to be a reach of a pick at the time and did nothing since to dispel that notion.

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Anyone have an idea?

Maybe so he's free to sign with the KHL or other league?

Rangers don't need bodies or space (well everyone needs space, but that move wasn't done for space).

they have 13 players under contract for next year (NHL) and only 35 of the allowed 50 overall.

Just catching up with the Ottawa disaster.


Hard to remember they were a double OT loss in game 7 away from going to the SCF in 2017 and now disaster. Fine line between winning and losing in the NHL.

So, yeah, I'm guessing he asked to be released from his contract so he could go home to play. Same thing happened with Robin Kovacs last year.

that after failing to engage him on extension talks, CBJ are listening to offers on Artemi Panarin.

Fantastic players. If the Rangers are going to take a chance on a young veteran that would need a new contract, he'd be the guy to pay up for in my opinion.

allegedly shopping Panarin.

I was shocked when the Blackhawks traded him, especially for Saad even though I sort of get it, and now I'm shocked he's on the block again.

Wonder why.

Only explanation I've seen is he wants to test FA, but he's got another year under contract.

Dude can fly and has sniper skills.

what Kyle said

would be the fear of losing him for nothing in a year in free agency because he won't negotiate an extension now. But unless they're blown away with a great offer, CBJ can't move him. They're all in to win right now. They had Washington down 2-0 in the first round. They need to take the chance they can re-sign him in a year.

Still, every team should be calling to see what the price is.

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would be the fear of losing him for nothing in a year in free agency because he won't negotiate an extension now. But unless they're blown away with a great offer, CBJ can't move him. They're all in to win right now. They had Washington down 2-0 in the first round. They need to take the chance they can re-sign him in a year. Still, every team should be calling to see what the price is.

Agree, CBJ should be win now. I don't see Panarin being moved unless it's for an established player that maybe considers signing (Pacioretty? but why would MTL do that)

And not only were they up 2 - 0 (with both wins road wins), but again the fine line b/w winning and losing, CBJ rang a post in OT and then lost game 3 in double OT on a fluke off Lars Eller's skate. CBJ could have easily been up 3 - 0 vs WAS with game 4 at home. But that's hockey.

Who says no?