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NFT: NHL Draft and Offseason Discussion

pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 8:47 am
Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.

I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.

I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.

Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.

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Brian Wilde
& #8207; @BWildeRecrutes
35m35 minutes ago

My final top 15 Picks

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren


They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.

If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.

Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.

but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.

Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.

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Grant McCagg
& #8207; @grantmccagg
1h1 hour ago

Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.

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RE: Marc Staal for Panarin.  
Anakim : 6/19/2018 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13994611 BrettNYG10 said:
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Who says no?


Seth in Astoria
Morning Brett  
Carl in CT : 6/19/2018 5:32 pm : link
Im cool with it.
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pjcas18 : 6/19/2018 7:38 pm : link
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Frank Seravalli
‏Verified account @frank_seravalli

Still some deliberating but sounds like 2018-19 #NHL salary cap has been narrowed down to between $79-80 million. Initial projection is that player escrow withholding starts under 10% for first time since 2011-12.
Kessel to the Coyotes?  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2018 7:57 pm : link
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theScore NHL
‏Verified account @theScoreNHL
4h4 hours ago

Report: Kessel not opposed to trade, would play for Tocchet's Coyotes https://thesco.re/2JPHx97


I'm guessing he's thinking about all the fajitas he can eat or other southwestern fare.
Ha, Ive never thought of the Coyotes  
bigbluehoya : 6/19/2018 8:00 pm : link
As being a Phil Kessel away from getting their shot together.
NHL Awards tonight at 8  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2018 7:28 pm : link
the big ones (* is who I pick not who I think will necessarily win)

Hart:
Hall
Kopitar
MacKinnon*

Any of the three can win with no argument from me, I give it to MacKinnon because he was on a worse team, he scored more even strength points, he scored more GWGs and he plays C and he had a 1.31 ppg.

Norris:
Subban
Hedman
Doughty*

Love Subban, but have to go with Doughty - but first of all John Carlson was snubbed, he wasn't even selected as a finalist and he'd be my pick to win. But of the finalists I'd pick Doughty because he's not purely an offensive defenseman and he had the points he had with a ridiculously low shooting %.

Vezina:
Hellebuyck*
Rinne
Vasilevsky

Hellebuyck over Rinne because Hellebuyck started a whopping 67 games (tied for league lead) and still had similar stats as Rinne.

Selke:
Bergeron*
Kopitar
Couturier

Bergeron is the gold standard for this award. Only other player in my experience as dominant a two-way player as Bergeron was Datsyuk in recent history.

Calder:
Barzal*
Keller
Boeser


Barzal runs away with it. Boeser is my favorite of the three, but with over a ppg over an 82 game season as a 20 year old this isn't really a contest. All three of these guys will have long prosperous careers if they remain healthy.

The other awards are important too, but IMO these are the bigger awards.
More than 5,000  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2018 7:45 pm : link
Habs fans (or even just hockey fans I guess) responded to a twitter poll about who "won" the Domi for Galchenyuk trade.

85% said the Coyotes.

As a fan, I think it's natural to have an opinion, but I usually believe we just simply don't know anywhere near what the pros do.

But sometimes you have to wonder when fans so overwhelmingly disagree with a professional GM, what do they really know that fans don't?

Subban trade was similarly slanted in polls from what I remember.
PJ  
Anakim : 6/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
Rumor floating around is Ryan O'Reilly for either Patches or the 3rd overall pick
I was wrong in almost every award  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2018 11:03 pm : link
And I read those trade rumors. Would be awful. Either of them. Most beat writers thought it was laughable which means theres a chance its real.
I know individual awards don't mean much  
Stu11 : 6/20/2018 11:53 pm : link
but as a Devs fan since the mid 80's it was reall cool to see a Devil finally win the Hart. Congrats to Hall the other 2 were very deserving as well.
Yes congrats to Taylor Hall  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2018 9:32 am : link
He was outstanding last season and he really carried that team all year. The Devils would have been a disaster without him. Now they need to focus on extending him as he only has two years left on his deal.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2018 9:33 am : link
Thought both Hall and Barzal deserved their awards. I saw the case for MacKinnon, but would have given it to Hall.

I thought Gallant deserved the Jack Adams, but Hynes should have been much higher.
Draft is 30-something hours away  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 9:47 am : link
and I feel like it's hovering over me like impending doom as a Habs fan.

Tkachuk rumors picking up steam. Kotkaniemi too.

And even trade rumors (though I don't believe the #3 pick for ROR rumor but you never know - GM's are often not smart people) I have heard other rumors too.

Just want to avoid a disaster. That is not asking too much.
PJ  
jv : 6/21/2018 9:55 am : link
Sounds like the Rangers may be moving Hayes. Watch him go as part of a deal for #3 to the Habs. I recall him being a player you're not a huge fan of. Real remote thrower for you...
Hayes as part of a deal for 3  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 9:57 am : link
would be hilarious

The more I learn on Kotkaniemi though the more I like. I think as long as it's him or Zadina the Habs will do alright. Tkachuk would be a reach though
That would be a massive  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 10:01 am : link
kick right in my nuts.

I wouldn't mind the Canadiens and Rangers trading if it involved #3 and #9 and the Canadiens got a player like Zibanejad or Kreider and maybe even a later 1st thrown in.

but Hayes. Holy shit. I'd stay away from hockey news and sites for a long time.

I bet Julien loves Hayes too. And Bergevin is all over the place. Trevor Timmins should not just do their scouting, he should be in charge of trades too.


Hayes straight up for #3.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2018 10:19 am : link
Maybe a #1 next year too.

Do it, Gorts.
No way Zbad or Kreider + #9 for three?  
Carl in CT : 6/21/2018 10:20 am : link
You can throw away #9 and Im not sure I would do it.
I think the Islanders deal  
Metnut : 6/21/2018 10:29 am : link
one of the picks for immediate help, but with all of the movement in the mock drafts, some good players are going to be available when they pick.
I don't mean to laugh at pj  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 11:01 am : link
But, given his many diatribes against Hayes, seeing him dealt to the Habs would be hilarious.
HAhaha, gotta love Uncle Larry  
Anakim : 6/21/2018 11:03 am : link
"If the Blueshirts could package Namestnikov with, say, their 26th-overall for the third-overall, there would be a deal to be had."
RE: HAhaha, gotta love Uncle Larry  
Anakim : 6/21/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13996098 Anakim said:
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"If the Blueshirts could package Namestnikov with, say, their 26th-overall for the third-overall, there would be a deal to be had."


Scratch that. Saw it on Twitter, but it was followed by: "But here on Earth, probably not. "
RE: I don't mean to laugh at pj  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13996096 Greg from LI said:
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But, given his many diatribes against Hayes, seeing him dealt to the Habs would be hilarious.


It would certainly be ironic but typical.

Canadiens players the past few years I loved watching play or really looked forward to watching (and never would have traded - at least not in the trades they were in): Subban, Galchenyuk, Sergachev and they get traded.

To be fair I like Weber a lot too though.
Surprised  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 11:21 am : link
there hasn't been much action so far this week. Normally have a few sizable deals by now. I think Stepan was dealt the day before the draft last year.
RE: Surprised  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13996124 Kyle in NY said:
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there hasn't been much action so far this week. Normally have a few sizable deals by now. I think Stepan was dealt the day before the draft last year.


I think there will be some significant activity the next 24 hours.

All waiting on Kovy from what I read. Up to a dozen teams interested in his services.

Then the dominoes may fall (Carolina's roster, Rangers spare parts, Canadiens and Pacioretty, Buffalo, Bruins shopping Backes and Krejci, etc.)
RE: Surprised  
Anakim : 6/21/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13996124 Kyle in NY said:
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there hasn't been much action so far this week. Normally have a few sizable deals by now. I think Stepan was dealt the day before the draft last year.


He was dealt the day of the Draft
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BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2018 11:39 am : link
I don't understand why ROR is so much more highly valued than Stepan ever was. I don't think ROR is all that much better, but people act like there's some massive gap.
ROR is bigger and more physical, Stepan is all finesse  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 11:42 am : link
I don't think that should make that much of a difference, but it does to some people. ROR is more of a goal-scorer, too. Stepan's only cracked 20 goals twice, ROR has done it 4 of the past 5 seasons. Again, not a huge gap, though
Random note on Stepan  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 11:48 am : link
that guy is remarkably consistent. Noticed the other day he had 56 points last season. His point totals for the last six 82 game seasons: 51, 57, 55, 53, 55, 56.

Putting up 56 points on that awful Arizona team may have been the best season of his career. Only shot 6.7% too. Good player.

A part of me just wishes we would have fired AV a year ago instead of trading Stepan. Maybe could have given that group one more chance with a better coach.
RE: ROR is bigger and more physical, Stepan is all finesse  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13996151 Greg from LI said:
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I don't think that should make that much of a difference, but it does to some people. ROR is more of a goal-scorer, too. Stepan's only cracked 20 goals twice, ROR has done it 4 of the past 5 seasons. Again, not a huge gap, though


Yeah, agreed - although, I think I'd take Stepan at $6.5 than ROR at $7.5.
For me it's all about the dots  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 11:55 am : link
I like Stepan, but he is not good on face-offs.

ROR isn't elite, but he's pretty damn good and he's gotten a lot better the past few years.

But overall IMO they're comparable players.

I like both but I wouldn't trade #3 for either.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 11:56 am : link
Hopefully Andersson makes the Stepan trade worth it down the road. Step was always one of my favorite Rangers. Nothing about his game was elite, but the guy is just such a high-IQ player - always positioned well, knows where to be, and makes up for not being an overwhelmingly fast or strong guy by being so smart.

DeAngelo looks like a total waste.
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Anakim : 6/21/2018 12:18 pm : link
Friedman: Hearing Barry Trotz closing in with NYI.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/21/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13996191 Anakim said:
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Friedman: Hearing Barry Trotz closing in with NYI.


Darren Dreger

Verified account

@DarrenDreger

Sources say Barry Trotz and the New York Islanders are closing in on an agreement for Trotz to be the Isles next head coach.
Pacioretty and a 2nd  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 2:10 pm : link
to Buffalo for ROR being heavily rumored.
'For me it's all about the dots'...pj  
Torrag : 6/21/2018 2:16 pm : link
Totally agree. In today's possesion game draws are immense. As much as I wanted to advocate keeping Stepan this blackhole in his skillset made it impossible. His lack of physical play was also an issue. It was a smart trade moving him out of town despite him being an intelligent, homegrown, popular and high character player.
RE: Pacioretty and a 2nd  
pganut : 6/21/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13996401 pjcas18 said:
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to Buffalo for ROR being heavily rumored.
Would that be it? Seems a bit light; would think a pick also accompanies OReilly? Like a 3rd or 4th seems fair. Or retain some salary.
RE: RE: Pacioretty and a 2nd  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13996428 pganut said:
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In comment 13996401 pjcas18 said:


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to Buffalo for ROR being heavily rumored.

Would that be it? Seems a bit light; would think a pick also accompanies OReilly? Like a 3rd or 4th seems fair. Or retain some salary.


I like Pacioretty so it's light to me. But reality is Max has 1 year left before becoming a UFA and he plays LW.


ROR is a legit NHL C. Centers are so hard to find for some teams and in many cases cost a premium.

ROR is under contract the next 5 seasons.

Which is good and bad I guess. Good if you want cost/roster certainty and you like the player. Bad if you don't want to pay a non-elite C (like ROR IMO) $7.5M per for the next 5 years.

ROR is also a few years younger than Max.

Ideally sure, MTL gets something else in return, but trading does not seem to be Marc Bergevin's strongsuit.
ROR is legit  
Metnut : 6/21/2018 2:37 pm : link
and good, but he's owed an awful lot of money. I think he's worth the contract, but giving up real assets just to take on that contract doesn't seem efficient. It's not like he's underpaid.

Buffalo is trying to win and make the playoffs ASAP. Why are they so eager to move him?
I think that's a pretty fair deal  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 2:37 pm : link
and maybe allows MTL to take Zadina. Even though they shouldn't be drafting for need in the first place
RE: ROR is legit  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13996441 Metnut said:
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and good, but he's owed an awful lot of money. I think he's worth the contract, but giving up real assets just to take on that contract doesn't seem efficient. It's not like he's underpaid.

Buffalo is trying to win and make the playoffs ASAP. Why are they so eager to move him?


I don't think getting back Max Pacioretty and a 2nd round pick is exactly eager to unload for Buffalo it's dealing from a position of strength to a trading partners weakness.

But they have C's. Eichel, Mittlestadt, and others who can play C, so why not maximize the value of your roster and add a guy like Max. Team C, good leader, who can contribute in all facets.

LW is about as barren for Buffalo as C in for Montreal.

Montreal's top two C's are Drouin (not a real NHL C) and Phillip Danult (not a real NHL top 6 player).

Who are Buffalo's top LW's?

Also though as I said above, Max has one year left to UFA and he's 30 years old in November.

ROR is overpaid, but he turned 27 recently, so you really get just one or two years over 30 in that contract.
Didn't realize Max  
Metnut : 6/21/2018 2:56 pm : link
was that close to UFA. Thanks PJ. That puts a different perspective on it for sure.
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 5:57 pm : link
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J.D. Lagrange
🎙
‏ @Habsterix
8h8 hours ago

That ROR trade could very well come down on the draft floor tomorrow. #Habs #Sabres
PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2018 6:18 pm : link
Kreider a Hab?

Ha!
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13996691 Jay in Toronto said:
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Kreider a Hab?

Ha!


I've read Lucic to the Habs trade rumors. Fans easily forget shit when you're wearing their team's jersey.
This is getting out of control  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2018 9:05 pm : link
if Pacioretty and the #3 pick are in a deal for ROR without Mittlestadt or someone like him coming back this is firable.

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Grant McCagg
‏ @grantmccagg
4h4 hours ago

So..the rumour this morning was ROR for Max and a 2nd, grew to Max, multiple picks, and prospects...now the third-overall pick is being tossed in the mix. By midnight it will be for Montreal's first 4 picks, Max, Juulsen and Poehling.
I actually wouldn't mind this THAT much  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:14 am : link
I don't think Kovy is going to be worth the money he gets.

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Joe Haggerty
‏Verified account @HackswithHaggs
5h5 hours ago

Don Sweeney sure sounds like he's all in on signing Ilya Kovalchuk after multiple conversations with the player & his camp: "We feel like we're a team he has strong interest in"
Just a draft tidbit asked of a WIN beat guy to McKenzie  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:04 am : link
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Bob McKenzie on Winnipegs TSN 1290, on if hes hearing anything around the Jets aside from re-signing players needing contracts:

Relative to other teams, no, said McKenzie. Im sure that Kevin Cheveldayoff is talking to teams about a lot of different things. Every team is. But in terms of if youre identifying sort of the hot spots: The L.A. Kings are very active looking for a scoring winger or two. The Carolina Hurricanes are very active, both in terms of what theyd like to bring in and what theyd like to move out. The Buffalo Sabres are very active. The Montreal Canadiens are very active.

So youve got these handful of teams that are kind of at the top end of the activity level, and the Jets wouldnt be in that group. Thats not to say that they cant do something or they wont do something, its just that relative to those other teams its pretty quiet.

But Kevin Cheveldayoff is not a guy that advertises what hes doing anyways he can be a little stealthy so well keep an eye on things as it unfolds.
Cam Ward  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:54 am : link
to become a FA.

I wouldn't want him on my team at his age and eroding skills, as a starter, but you could do worse as a backup.
From an Islanders fans perspective,  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/22/2018 10:00 am : link
I wonder if Pekka Rinne is something Lou might look at. Nashville has been grooming their backup for two seasons, he makes 7 million, and is a UFA after this season (and thats not even mentioning theres speculation he might retire after this year).

Might make sense for the Isles as a short term move to help bridge the gap till one of their two international goalies are ready. Sorokin is still looking very good. Might even cost less than the younger/less expensive Grubauer.
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