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pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 8:47 am
Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.

I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.

I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.

Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.

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Brian Wilde
& #8207; @BWildeRecrutes
35m35 minutes ago

My final top 15 Picks

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren


They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.

If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.

Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.

but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.

Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.

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Grant McCagg
& #8207; @grantmccagg
1h1 hour ago

Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.

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If the Rangers screw this up...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:32 pm : link
They have an absolute blue chip winger in Wahlstrom just sitting there. He fits a need and his shot is already better than many NHL players.
Ok  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2018 8:33 pm : link
Wahl Strom or Dobsen or Bouchard
RE: Rangers  
pganut : 6/22/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13997773 pjcas18 said:
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have to go Wahlstrom here I think.
I'd have to agree. Hard to pass him up here.
RE: Rangers  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13997773 pjcas18 said:
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have to go Wahlstrom here I think.


+1
RE: If the Rangers screw this up...  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13997775 Anakim said:
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They have an absolute blue chip winger in Wahlstrom just sitting there. He fits a need and his shot is already better than many NHL players.


I don't think Dobson is a bad pick either though.

Rangers have a lot of options here and many are good.

Who is the Rangers top pair D? Skjei and ?
Haha, why are the Stars fans booing the Rangers?  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:34 pm : link
Is it a Dallas/New York thing?
RE: RE: If the Rangers screw this up...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13997779 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13997775 Anakim said:


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They have an absolute blue chip winger in Wahlstrom just sitting there. He fits a need and his shot is already better than many NHL players.



I don't think Dobson is a bad pick either though.

Rangers have a lot of options here and many are good.

Who is the Rangers top pair D? Skjei and ?


Right now, Shattenkirk. Or Pionk. It's a need, but this team has absolutely zero offensive weapons except for Buchnevich.
RE: RE: RE: If the Rangers screw this up...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13997782 Anakim said:
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In comment 13997775 Anakim said:


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They have an absolute blue chip winger in Wahlstrom just sitting there. He fits a need and his shot is already better than many NHL players.



I don't think Dobson is a bad pick either though.

Rangers have a lot of options here and many are good.

Who is the Rangers top pair D? Skjei and ?



Right now, Shattenkirk. Or Pionk. It's a need, but this team has absolutely zero offensive weapons except for Buchnevich.


*Wingers
Nice player for the NYR  
pganut : 6/22/2018 8:38 pm : link
But surprising he went here with the 2 good D and Wahlstrom still available.
Well fuck...  
figgy2989 : 6/22/2018 8:38 pm : link
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Rangers fans  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:38 pm : link
won't like the pick, but I read Kravtsov a couple people had as a top 5 talent.
I think McKenzie  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:39 pm : link
was right when he said from 3 - 13 or so, there just isn't a lot of separation between these guys.
RE: Haha, why are the Stars fans booing the Rangers?  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13997780 Anakim said:
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Is it a Dallas/New York thing?


I don't think they're booing NY, I think they're not showing Bettman, because they boo after every pick leaves the stage.
Big fucking surprise  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:40 pm : link
Gorton has to be different
.  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:41 pm : link
Rankings

THW (Pike’s Picks): 36th (final)
Future Considerations: 28th (final)
ISS: not in top 31 (final)
Bob McKenzie: 12th (final)
Craig Button: 23rd (final)
RE: Big fucking surprise  
figgy2989 : 6/22/2018 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13997796 Greg from LI said:
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Gorton has to be different


Smartest guy in the room syndrome
He's a couple of years  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2018 8:41 pm : link
Away.

Disappointed didn't take Wahlstrom or even Dobsen.
Jeff just loves his workmanlike second line types  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:42 pm : link
We're no better off than we were with the rummy calling the shots.
If the Islanders walk away with both Wahlstrom and/or Dobson...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:45 pm : link
I'm gonna puke
Lou  
KWhite2250 : 6/22/2018 8:45 pm : link
Just take dobson and wahlstrom and worry about the g situation later
Scratch the both  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:46 pm : link
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I don't care about Dobson  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:47 pm : link
But Wahlstrom to the Styx would be aggravating.
If anyone cares  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:48 pm : link
Mark Edwards has Kravstov #6 in the draft, it's only a podcast/audio interview, but around the 1:30 mark he talks about him.

Edwards knows his shit.

Still I would have taken Wahlstrom, especially with him de-commmitting to Harvard, but there are guys who knows their shit who I trust.
Top 7 in the draft - ( New Window )
Love this pick for the Isles  
pganut : 6/22/2018 8:49 pm : link
Thought for sure he was destined for the NYR.
I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:52 pm : link
Islanders look like a thriving, functional organization and the Rangers look like they did in the early years of Glen Sather.
Love fans  
XBRONX : 6/22/2018 8:52 pm : link
crying about hockey players they have never seen play, like they know something.
Game over.  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 8:53 pm : link
I'm sick to my stomach
Islanders got two  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 8:54 pm : link
good players here.

Wahlstrom and Dobson could be playing for them next year.



Wahlstrom is going to go to Harvard  
pganut : 6/22/2018 8:56 pm : link
Love the Bouchard pick also. A "one man breakout" on D. #6 overall rating picked at 12.

Anak, hope you didn't puke on your shoes. Get some rest before the later first round picks.
RE: Islanders got two  
Mike in NY : 6/22/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13997817 pjcas18 said:
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good players here.

Wahlstrom and Dobson could be playing for them next year.




Considering I was expecting Kravtsov (who I think was woefully underrated) and Smith I am very happy. Also glad Islanders didn't get cute (a la Bruins passing on Barzal)
I really dislike Jeff Gorton  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 9:00 pm : link
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RE: Wahlstrom is going to go to Harvard  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13997820 pganut said:
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Love the Bouchard pick also. A "one man breakout" on D. #6 overall rating picked at 12.

Anak, hope you didn't puke on your shoes. Get some rest before the later first round picks.


Wahlstrom de-committed from Harvard and is going to BC (some say he was rejected by Harvard admissions, but I never heard that).

Wahlstrom at BC singaled to me he could play in the NHL much sooner than a Harvard kid.
Welcome to New York...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:03 pm : link
RE: RE: Islanders got two  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13997823 Mike in NY said:
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good players here.

Wahlstrom and Dobson could be playing for them next year.






Considering I was expecting Kravtsov (who I think was woefully underrated) and Smith I am very happy. Also glad Islanders didn't get cute (a la Bruins passing on Barzal)


Agree on Kravstov, he's very underrated IMO, and much of it is he's got another year in the KHL definitely.

so IMV it's why I dropped him lower, I want a top 10 pick to play sooner (though realistically even Kotkaniemi is likely to play in Finland again).
God, what an absolute disaster for the Rangers so far  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:08 pm : link
Capitals win the Cup

Hurricanes take a franchise player in Svechnikov

Islanders take two top-6 talents in Wahlstrom and Dobson

Flyers take the best player available in Farabee



And Rangers go with the Russian Man of Mystery
RE: RE: Wahlstrom is going to go to Harvard  
pganut : 6/22/2018 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13997829 pjcas18 said:
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Love the Bouchard pick also. A "one man breakout" on D. #6 overall rating picked at 12.

Anak, hope you didn't puke on your shoes. Get some rest before the later first round picks.



Wahlstrom de-committed from Harvard and is going to BC (some say he was rejected by Harvard admissions, but I never heard that).

Wahlstrom at BC singaled to me he could play in the NHL much sooner than a Harvard kid.
Yeah, I saw that he'd switched to BC and in my exuberance to post stuck with Harvard. I agree he'll likely be there for only a year or 2 max. Love his shooting comps are to Ovechkin and Bossy. There's a really good article on him and his family from a couple of weeks back at The Athletic if you get a chance to read it.
Love  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:09 pm : link
Farabee, hoped somehow the Canadiens packaged a couple seconds and moved up for him.

Maybe the player who helped himself the most at the WJC.
RE: Love  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13997840 pjcas18 said:
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Farabee, hoped somehow the Canadiens packaged a couple seconds and moved up for him.

Maybe the player who helped himself the most at the WJC.


Other than Zadina, you mean...though I guess in hindsight he really didn't
RE: I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13997813 Anakim said:
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Islanders look like a thriving, functional organization and the Rangers look like they did in the early years of Glen Sather.


Have to say how much this is music to my ears.
PJ, who are your best players available?  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:18 pm : link
For me, I think it's Ty Smith, Dom Bokk, Joseph Veleno, Bode Wilde
RE: PJ, who are your best players available?  
pganut : 6/22/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13997847 Anakim said:
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For me, I think it's Ty Smith, Dom Bokk, Joseph Veleno, Bode Wilde
Cretainly the 3 you named ex-Bokk are in there. Smith is a Swiss army knife with great offensive skill (size is the only question, although smaller D are becoming more prevalent in the speed league). I never expected the Isles to land Wahlstrom and Bouchard, so Smith and Veleno we’re the two I really wanted heading into the draft.
What a difference a  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 9:25 pm : link
decade makes when you actually have someone running the Islanders that knows hockey. So happy with this past week. sign JT next and everything starts to fall into place.
Also like Kupari and K’Andre Miller  
pganut : 6/22/2018 9:26 pm : link
Who are still out ther. Miller has tremendous upside.
Anakim  
XBRONX : 6/22/2018 9:26 pm : link
Where have you seen these skaters play?
And the hits keep on coming...  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:26 pm : link
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I like this guy  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2018 9:26 pm : link
a lot (Kaut) though think he was overdrafted, but this point in the draft starts getting beyond my scouting prowess.

I like Veleno, Smith, Kupari, Sandin, Bokk, K'Andre Miller, Merkley
RE: What a difference a  
KWhite2250 : 6/22/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13997857 The 12th Man said:
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decade makes when you actually have someone running the Islanders that knows hockey. So happy with this past week. sign JT next and everything starts to fall into place.


They still need a goalie and better dmen....alot to do before being too excited. Things are looking up but the 2 biggest weaknesses are still weaknesses
very solid pick  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 9:27 pm : link
by the Devils
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 6/22/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13997859 XBRONX said:
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Where have you seen these skaters play?


NHL Network and You Tube. NHL Network aired the WJC and many games of the Memorial Cup.
RE: RE: What a difference a  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13997863 KWhite2250 said:
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In comment 13997857 The 12th Man said:


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decade makes when you actually have someone running the Islanders that knows hockey. So happy with this past week. sign JT next and everything starts to fall into place.



They still need a goalie and better dmen....alot to do before being too excited. Things are looking up but the 2 biggest weaknesses are still weaknesses


I believe they will be addressed tomorrow. I say the wheeling and dealing will start in earnest with the 2nd round picks tomm. I expect one or both to be moved.
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