NFT: NHL Draft and Offseason Discussion

In comment 13997862 pjcas18 said:

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a lot (Kaut) though think he was overdrafted, but this point in the draft starts getting beyond my scouting prowess. I like Veleno, Smith, Kupari, Sandin, Bokk, K'Andre Miller, Merkley

Merkley is the biggest wildcard. Talk about high risk, high reward.

for hockey? Right

In comment 13997875 XBRONX said:

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for hockey? Right

Yes. Like here, you can see Kravstov's every shift
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In comment 13997874 Anakim said:

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In comment 13997862 pjcas18 said: Quote: a lot (Kaut) though think he was overdrafted, but this point in the draft starts getting beyond my scouting prowess. I like Veleno, Smith, Kupari, Sandin, Bokk, K'Andre Miller, Merkley Merkley is the biggest wildcard. Talk about high risk, high reward.

Agree, but some of these kids are so young, I would take the chance.

In comment 13997878 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13997874 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13997862 pjcas18 said: Quote: a lot (Kaut) though think he was overdrafted, but this point in the draft starts getting beyond my scouting prowess. I like Veleno, Smith, Kupari, Sandin, Bokk, K'Andre Miller, Merkley Merkley is the biggest wildcard. Talk about high risk, high reward. Agree, but some of these kids are so young, I would take the chance.

Yeah, but the last thing the Rangers need is another Del Zotto.

Hoping the Rangers go for two of: Veleno, Bokk, Wilde, McIsaac, Addison

Merkley, to SJS

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What the hell is that?

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now what?

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But the Rangers sure do love their elite skating...

they look 14 and 15...was Reese reincarnated at MSG?

at this point of the 1st round. Most mocks had him between right about here.

Steve Kournianos
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Rangers take raw but skilled dman K'Andre Miller from the NTDP. Traded up to get him so he must gave been high on their board. Going to Wisconsin. Can skate and shoot, smothering defense.

Miller seems to be kind of a divisive prospect. I've read some glowing reports that say he has a really high ceiling, and others....not so much

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Craig Button says Kravtsov has a clause in his KHL contract giving him an out if he makes an NHL team out of camp next season

Mark Edwards
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So #NYR get Kravtsov and Miller. Love it. HUGE upside. I think he�s only just scratched the surface of his offensive game. Hige and can skate. Rave reviews on interviews. #NHLDraft

His physical gifts are as impressive as anyone in the draft. He's just got a long way to go to keep learning how to play his position since he's a converted forward. Rare size/speed combo, similar to Kreider.

In comment 13997928 Greg from LI said:

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His physical gifts are as impressive as anyone in the draft. He's just got a long way to go to keep learning how to play his position since he's a converted forward. Rare size/speed combo, similar to Kreider.

Sounds almost like Sean Day. Rangers sure do put a premium on taking elite skaters.

he was on my list above.

Great size, good shot, I think he'll need some time though.

He's committed to play for Granato at Wisconsin, I'd hope he goes for a year.

Does everything well, with upside to do everything really well.

Sort of like a bigger McDonagh with less polish.

excellent coaching at Wisconsin.

Both picks lead me to believe we are taking the longer view.

We're pretty steep at C and Veleno may seem a bit redundant, but he's clearly the best player available.


Wilde has the physical tools and he's also a RHD, which we desperately need

In comment 13997936 Anakim said:

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We're pretty steep at C and Veleno may seem a bit redundant, but he's clearly the best player available. Wilde has the physical tools and he's also a RHD, which we desperately need

Well at least one of them will be there

He should fit in well with Henrik Lundqvist and Michael Lindkvist.

Poor Sam Rosen

looks like Kurt Warners wife.

Let's see Mrs. Svechnikov again.

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Red Wings come away with both Zadina and Joe Veleno

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And by good names, I mean names that I've heard of:

Serron Noel
Jared McIsaac
Bode Wilde
Jake Wise
Jack McBain
Filip Hallander
Calen Addison
Kirill Marchenko
Ryan McLeod
Benoit Olivier-Groulx
Jonatan Berggren
Akil Thomas
Jett Woo
Liam Kirk
Mattias Samuelsson



Rangers pick 39th, and then have two third rounders

Rick Carpiniello
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Gordie Clark said #NYR ranked Kravtsov as 2nd best forward in the draft and made that decision a while ago

In comment 13997967 Anakim said:

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Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello Gordie Clark said #NYR ranked Kravtsov as 2nd best forward in the draft and made that decision a while ago

I'm guessing Svechnikov was #1 if we are to believe the Brooks article from Sunday

But shit, imagine if we passed on Zadina...

But by all accounts the Rangers targeted high upside with each of their picks tonight. That�s all I can really ask for. They�re taking a chance on what they believe is high end talent and they�re not playing it safe. Honestly Gordie and his staff deserve the benefit of the doubt. They don�t have many misses on their track record.

And I�m seeing those that know more than me about these prospects very excited about the picks, especially the last two.

In comment 13997803 Greg from LI said:

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We're no better off than we were with the rummy calling the shots.

Greg,this is the opposite of what the Rangers did tonight

I won't get nuts simply because I don't know enough about these guys. With football, I actually know a bit about most of the players in the early rounds and have seen them play and feel like I've got an informed opinion. With hockey it's different..

That said... based on everything I read and knew, it seemed like Whalstrom should have been the guy. I really thought we were going to take him.

Kravtsov was a complete surprise - seemed totally off the radar and like a guy we may have even been able to get with one of the other two picks we had.

I guess I'll just default to the scouting here and hope that they really saw something in this kid - it seems like they're trying to hit a home run on him and must have thought there was something special there.

Through being a sports fan all these years, I know you really have to just let it play out and can't overreact one way or another. I was pretty disappointed.. but I've got to give the kid a chance before I lose my mind.

I thought Zucker was a weird, random comp - but he did just have a breakout year and registered 64 points, so I guess that's not the worst thing in the world.

Just felt like a reach.. but what the hell do I know. I'll root for him and hope I'm wrong.

to go off the radar with the top pick. Like everyone else here, I�m sure the parallel to the Giants passing on Darnold may have creeped into your thoughts. Will be more than interesting to see how Wahlstrom plays out across town.

Regarding Miller, sounds like a very high ceiling guy but just how much more does he really have to do before he�s legitimately an NHL
ready D man.

If nothing else, it�s nice to see the size they�ve gained while the league seems to get smaller and more skilled specifically on the backline. Who, after all is going to replace Staal hitting the oppositions forwards in the crease with their purse?

I feel for Hank, who�s right smack in the middle of a rebuild. What will that look like this season and would he reconsider his NTC?

In comment 13997966 Anakim said:

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And by good names, I mean names that I've heard of: Serron Noel Jared McIsaac Bode Wilde Jake Wise Jack McBain Filip Hallander Calen Addison Kirill Marchenko Ryan McLeod Benoit Olivier-Groulx Jonatan Berggren Akil Thomas Jett Woo Liam Kirk Mattias Samuelsson Rangers pick 39th, and then have two third rounders

Wow.. very impressive. I watch a lot of streaming Junior hockey when I travel and even I haven't seen some of those guys you listed play.

Between this and all of the NCAA football you watch to know so much about the draft, how do you have time to sleep???

Kudos.

In comment 13998004 arcarsenal said:

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I won't get nuts simply because I don't know enough about these guys. With football, I actually know a bit about most of the players in the early rounds and have seen them play and feel like I've got an informed opinion. With hockey it's different.. That said... based on everything I read and knew, it seemed like Whalstrom should have been the guy. I really thought we were going to take him. Kravtsov was a complete surprise - seemed totally off the radar and like a guy we may have even been able to get with one of the other two picks we had. I guess I'll just default to the scouting here and hope that they really saw something in this kid - it seems like they're trying to hit a home run on him and must have thought there was something special there. Through being a sports fan all these years, I know you really have to just let it play out and can't overreact one way or another. I was pretty disappointed.. but I've got to give the kid a chance before I lose my mind. I thought Zucker was a weird, random comp - but he did just have a breakout year and registered 64 points, so I guess that's not the worst thing in the world. Just felt like a reach.. but what the hell do I know. I'll root for him and hope I'm wrong.

Kravtsov would not have fallen to 26. Looking at some of the Forwards who were drafted in the 11-20 range I think someone would have taken him.

scout who has his own site now.

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Grant McCagg ‏ @grantmccagg 8m8 minutes ago I think the Rangers will regret not taking the stud dman in Dobson instead of a Russian winger with one great KHL playoff showing. They didn't replace McDonagh when the opportunity was there. Lias Andersson at 7 last year was too high as well IMO.

I disagree on Lias and I'd have taken Wahlstrom, but could easily have taken Dobson in that spot.

from watching them play just a handful (the Samuelssons Ulf and Kjsell's sons, and a few more).

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Grant McCagg ‏ @grantmccagg 57m57 minutes ago Noel. Mc:Leod and McIsaac are all going to go very early in the second round. I would expect the Habs to take one of them if there. Berggren and Marchenko are the wildcards. I think the #Habs would be happy to come away with two out of that group.

In comment 13998036 pjcas18 said:

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scout who has his own site now. Quote: Grant McCagg ‏ @grantmccagg 8m8 minutes ago I think the Rangers will regret not taking the stud dman in Dobson instead of a Russian winger with one great KHL playoff showing. They didn't replace McDonagh when the opportunity was there. Lias Andersson at 7 last year was too high as well IMO. I disagree on Lias and I'd have taken Wahlstrom, but could easily have taken Dobson in that spot.

Cannot argue with the Rangers if they picked BPA with the pick. They didn't pick from need which is smart with such a high pick.

I didnt watch ANY regular season KHL games, only playoff. Whether this kid just had a hot streak or not is irrelevant. He has great skill. That's obvious.

As an Islanders fan, I hope hes just streaky haha

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Mitch Brown ‏ @MitchLBrown 10h10 hours ago K'Andre Miller (#NYR) was the most well-rounded defenceman in my data set. Mobile, powerful, skilled, smart. Great man-on-man defender with puck-moving ability. I think his offence is underrated, too.

In comment 13998039 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Matt Smith ‏ @Snakebite350 7h7 hours ago So much talent still available tomorrow to start the 2nd round. #NHLDraft Serron Noel Jared McIssac Akil Thomas Ryan McLeod Bode Wilde Mattias Samuelsson Jake Wise Jett Woo (And many more)

Those are a lot of the guys I'm familiar with. Mostly from wjc. I obviously rooted hard for the US guys on the list.

I DID get go see some of Thomas. He is a a pure skill player. Magician with the puck.

In comment 13998041 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Mitch Brown ‏ @MitchLBrown 10h10 hours ago K'Andre Miller (#NYR) was the most well-rounded defenceman in my data set. Mobile, powerful, skilled, smart. Great man-on-man defender with puck-moving ability. I think his offence is underrated, too.

That's deceiving in a draft with Dahlin.

defense, but yeah I agree and I like Miller but I don't have him before any of Dahlin, Hughes, Boqvist, Dobson, Bouchard then we can talk.

And I wasn't second guessing the Rangers going BPA, only sharing some other people's thoughts.

pj, interesting.

Scratching my head on NZ Defense categories:
Control Entry Against.....100%
Control Entry Prevention....69%"

Highest score vs. one of his lowest...and how do you parse what those two categories mean or signify in the run of play?

In comment 13998045 pjcas18 said:

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defense, but yeah I agree and I like Miller but I don't have him before any of Dahlin, Hughes, Boqvist, Dobson, Bouchard then we can talk. And I wasn't second guessing the Rangers going BPA, only sharing some other people's thoughts.

I know.

And I think Dahlins D is underrated. He jumped into the play often because he was THTAT much better than the other guys