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NFT: NHL Draft and Offseason Discussion

pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 8:47 am
Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.

I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.

I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.

Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.

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Brian Wilde
& #8207; @BWildeRecrutes
35m35 minutes ago

My final top 15 Picks

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren


They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.

If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.

Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.

but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.

Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.

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Grant McCagg
& #8207; @grantmccagg
1h1 hour ago

Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.

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I posted it before  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 8:38 am : link
Maybe even in this thread. Dahlin with the puck is like mcdavid with the puck a little. So elusive. I havent see a D like him since maybe Coffey
RE: RE: Guy who write for the AthleticMTL  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13998047 ColHowPepper said:
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pj, interesting.

Scratching my head on NZ Defense categories:
Control Entry Against.....100%
Control Entry Prevention....69%"

Highest score vs. one of his lowest...and how do you parse what those two categories mean or signify in the run of play?


Im not sure. Analytics / advanced stats are not my strong suit. Maybe Brett or Kyle or pganut or someone else knows.
As a Devs fan  
Sammo85 : 6/23/2018 9:23 am : link
I felt all three locals did very well.

Rangers stocked the cupboard with some high ceiling talent. It will take several years for Kravtsov and Miller to develop but thats what you do in a rebuild draft.

Isles lucked out with top guys at their positions. I like Dobson. Wahlstrom is a little too one dimensional for my tastes but he should be able to score at the NHL level.

Devils lucked out with Ty Smith dropping. Hes the exact prototype they were looking for at LD. Good on both ends, elite skater with high hockey IQ.
RE: As a Devs fan  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13998073 Sammo85 said:
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I felt all three locals did very well.

Rangers stocked the cupboard with some high ceiling talent. It will take several years for Kravtsov and Miller to develop but thats what you do in a rebuild draft.

Isles lucked out with top guys at their positions. I like Dobson. Wahlstrom is a little too one dimensional for my tastes but he should be able to score at the NHL level.

Devils lucked out with Ty Smith dropping. Hes the exact prototype they were looking for at LD. Good on both ends, elite skater with high hockey IQ.


As I stated earlier in the thread, I had expected the Islanders to have Kravtsov and Smith at 11 and 12 and they ended up going to Rangers and Devils respectively
I was very surprised to see that Smith fell to the Devils  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 10:04 am : link
I was hoping for him but I didn't think he would get past the Isles at 12. I was expecting Miller or Kupari to be the pick. Shero has done a nice job rebuilding the system with D prospects. I thought that Reilly Walsh was a steal in the 3rd round last year and he had an excellent freshman season for Harvard. Smith, Walsh, Davies, Sissons, Chainey, and Jacobs are a solid group to add to Butcher and Severson.
Hockeyprospects.com  
JPinstripes : 6/23/2018 10:10 am : link
had the Rangers three 1st round selections ranked as follows;

6. Kravtsov
16. Lundvkist
20. Miller
Hockeyprospects.cpm top 31 - ( New Window )
I wonder if we see Spooner or Namestnikov traded today  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 10:31 am : link
Maybe to Montreal?
There was a rumor  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 10:36 am : link
that Damon Severson might be on the move. I am not a big fan of that unless the Devils plan on signing two defensemen in free agency.
Makes me feel old  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:13 am : link
seeing Ted Drury's son being discussed at the draft. I played against Ted most of my youth hockey career and through high school.

Ted went to Fairfield Prep for High School (same school Chris Drury went to a couple years later).

Chris now being with the Rangers FO, no better scout familiar with Jack Drury than his uncle.
RE: There was a rumor  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13998105 Jay on the Island said:
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that Damon Severson might be on the move. I am not a big fan of that unless the Devils plan on signing two defensemen in free agency.


Pacioretty?

I think Max gets moved today, or at least heavily shopped.
.  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:20 am : link
David Amber

Verified account

@DavidAmber

Kovalchuk has picked his team and expect an announcement very soon. #NHLDraft
1st pick  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:21 am : link
of the 2nd is Mattias Samuelsson.

Kjell's son.

He was captain of the US WJC team that lost to the Fins, he is massive and very physical.

I like him and he's a guy I think we be one where people look back on and say how did he fall to the 2nd round?

Nioel to DET  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:21 am : link
LOL all the remaining players I'm familiar with are flying off the board in the 2nd.

I'm going to tap out soon.

Maybe watch the Habs first two picks of this round.
RE: RE: There was a rumor  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13998134 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13998105 Jay on the Island said:


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that Damon Severson might be on the move. I am not a big fan of that unless the Devils plan on signing two defensemen in free agency.



Pacioretty?

I think Max gets moved today, or at least heavily shopped.

I doubt it, the Devils are pretty set at LW. They need help at RW and D so trading Severson for a LW doesn't make much sense to me.
Kovy  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:23 am : link
to the Kings
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13998138 Anakim said:
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David Amber

Verified account

@DavidAmber

Kovalchuk has picked his team and expect an announcement very soon. #NHLDraft



LA Kings. 3-year deal
Rangers  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:26 am : link
take the first goalie
Rangers took the first goalie off the board  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:26 am : link
Olof Lindbom
Gortons track record is strong  
Torrag : 6/23/2018 11:32 am : link
I won't knock either this pick or the Lias Anderson so called 'reach' until we see them at MSG vs NHL opposition and show they can't live up to their draft status. Stay the course and support this youth movement.
RE: Hockeyprospects.com  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13998095 JPinstripes said:
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had the Rangers three 1st round selections ranked as follows;

6. Kravtsov
16. Lundvkist
20. Miller Hockeyprospects.cpm top 31 - ( New Window )
As with all these post-draft reviews in every major sport, so much subjectivity and decidedly different viewpoints on most players beyond the top 10 or 15. Kravtsov is one who excites quite different assessments, perhaps in part because he's a KHL guy? As with most on this thread, Wahlstrom would have been the preferred pick.

On Lundkvist, smallish at 5'11" but JPinstripes service has him ranked ahead of Miller, presumably because latter is raw as a D.

stufftherun empathizes with Henrik playing through this long term rebuild: it is what it is and maybe he should throw his weight behind it, in various ways. But he likely won't.
Taking the Badger:  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2018 11:36 am : link
Always smart.
and Isles land Bode Wilde  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 11:39 am : link
who appears on Anak's list
I hate the idea of taking a goalie in the first few rounds  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:47 am : link
It rarely works out. The NHL has shown you can win with a goalie you get later on.
Really love  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:53 am : link
Buffalo, Detroit, and the Islanders drafts so far.

but mainly because I know the players they drafted.
RE: Really love  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13998162 pjcas18 said:
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Buffalo, Detroit, and the Islanders drafts so far.

but mainly because I know the players they drafted.



That's my criteria as well. Haha
Another quality pick it looks like from Lou  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 12:02 pm : link
Have to love these 1st 3 picks, the 4th pick, this kid is very small do not know much about him, looks like he is going to be playing in U Conn this year. Scored over 40 goals 2 years ago. Only had 6 last year. Here is where some of the rankings had him. Looks like trying to catch lightning.

Ranked #57 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM

Ranked #128 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS

Ranked #102 by ISS HOCKEY

Ranked #68 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY

Ranked #31 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)

Ranked #87 by TSN/McKenzie
.  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 12:10 pm : link
Steve Kournianos


@TheDraftAnalyst

Rangers at 70 take defender Jacob Ragnarsson. Marcus's kid. Good size and overall game. Nothing flashy but plays aggressive and can put up points
Islanders lother than their 2nd pick in the 2nd round  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 12:16 pm : link
they are drafting definitely BPA. Jakub Skarek 54th best rated prospect Islanders grab him at 72. Another solid value pick. Bode being ranked 18th and getting him at 41 is unbelievable.
Re Ranger's Miller  
Jay in Toronto : 6/23/2018 12:19 pm : link
In talking about Emberson NHL draft coverage commented on the Badgers' ability to develop Dmen. Good news in terms of Miller.
Less than I expected  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:24 pm : link
but still a lot for a 35-year old who hasn't played in the NHL in 6 years.

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Bob McKenzie
‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
56m56 minutes ago

Kovalchuk deal is three years with an AAV of $6.25M. Same as Patrick Marleau.
I agree with Wilde here  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:29 pm : link
and these two may not start out together as a D pairing, Samuelsson may need a year, but eventually these guys could play a long time alongside each other.

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Jourdon LaBarber
‏ @JourdonLaBarber
39m39 minutes ago

Islanders draftee Bode Wilde on Mattias Samuelsson:

Theyre getting a guy who will complement Dahlin pretty well. I can just imagine those two playing together. Mattias will definitely lock it up defensively and shut down and allow a guy like Dahlin to have a bit of freedom.
The Blackhawks drafted Spiccoli  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:35 pm : link
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Mark Lazerus
‏Verified account @MarkLazerus

I asked Niklas Nordgren how he's able to be so productive (15 goals in 17 games with the Finnish U-18 team) despite his lack of size.

"I don't know."
Man, no player trades in either the NBA or NHL Draft  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:07 pm : link
Boooooo!
Maybe JT staying isn't as done a deal as many thought  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:13 pm : link
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Kathryn Tappen
‏Verified account @KathrynTappen
16s16 seconds ago

John Tavares will use the UFA speaking period to chat with 5 other teams...😬
As expected, he'd be a fool to wait this long and not entertain offers  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:17 pm : link
Staple reporting it's SJ, Dallas, and Toronto definite, and two other teams(possibly Vegas and TB) . St Louis is out.

He'll re-sign but they're going to make Lou sweat.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
I've warmed to the Kravtsov pick a bit. What he did in the KHL playoffs at his age was pretty impressive. They're trying to hit this one over the fence and get a star instead of play it safe. It'll suck if he doesn't pan out, but I can understand the logic. He'll need time to develop, so we won't reap immediate benefits here. But I don't hate it.
This is what happens though  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
when you don't lock someone up when you have the chance.

You can say it's expected, but the more teams he meets with the better the chance he falls in love with one of them.

Big risk and I know it's a regime change, but poor management by NYI.
RE: This is what happens though  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13998208 pjcas18 said:
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when you don't lock someone up when you have the chance.

You can say it's expected, but the more teams he meets with the better the chance he falls in love with one of them.

Big risk and I know it's a regime change, but poor management by NYI.
Duh. Not to be curt but this has been discussed ad nauseum for two years in islander internet circles. It's abysmal asset management to lose him for nothing, but that ship sailed under Snow.

The x factor is the growing concern that his fiancee is a Yoko. Wants west coast or Canada.
Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
yatqb : 6/23/2018 1:28 pm : link
taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.
RE: Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13998212 yatqb said:
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taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.


We also don't have a lot of Canadians on the roster. Spooner (who probably won't return), Gilmour (who may not return), and Marc Staal (who shouldn't return)


Howden and Ronning look pretty good, though
Islanders draft a guy  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
Named Blade
RE: Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13998212 yatqb said:
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taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.


and look at the sizes.

Montreal has taken 11 players so far and only 2 over 6 feet.

They've drafted 3 C's 5'11 or lower.


14 D were drafted in round 1. only 5 greater than 6 feet.

I chuckle when 6' 200 lb guys are "power forwards"  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:38 pm : link
A far cry from the 90s and early aughts
Big trade going down  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too
RE: Big trade going down  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13998221 Anakim said:
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Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too


Both Lindholm and Hanifin? Maybe for Dougie Hamilton and Sam Bennett?
I have a message from the heavens.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2018 1:41 pm : link
"Can you please tell those fucks Barry Trotz never made it out of the second round until last year and Lou has been a grease stain since the cap was introduced?"

Also that Anak is going to be the Giants GM, while also having the time to watch every 17 year old hockey player and college basketball player.
RE: RE: Big trade going down  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13998223 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13998221 Anakim said:


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Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too



Both Lindholm and Hanifin? Maybe for Dougie Hamilton and Sam Bennett?


That would still be a coup for the Flames
Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:44 pm : link
Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)
Maybe give an edge  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:45 pm : link
to CAL, but it's sort of like shuffling the deck chairs.

not that any players are bad in the trade, but Hanifin is younger but not better than Hamilton and Lindholm is probably a little better than Bennett (and a few years older), but both are probably 3C's maybe 2C for Lindholm - but not by a lot.

My point is it's a change of scenery trade and probably money relief to CAL.

RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13998227 Anakim said:
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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)


Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.
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