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Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:35 am
Guys who will definitely be gone: (and I'll taker a shot at some comparisons; note: any player can BUST due to $$/fame, situation or injury so below are upside comparisons)

Ayton - Comparison: Andre Drummond

Doncic - Comparison: Paul Pierce

Bagley - Comp: Amare Staudimire

JJJ: Comp: Serge Ibaka

Bamba: Comp: Rudy Goebert

Guys who will probably be gone:

Young: Comp: a poor man's Steve Nash (but I am pessimistic)

Porter: Comp: Rudy Gay

Carter Jr.: not lefty and a tad less athletic, but Chris Bosh (smart, skilled, lengthy big man)

Guys to choose from at 9:

Mikal Bridges: Comp: a better shooting Trevor Ariza

Miles Bridges: Jaylen Brown (physically mature, smart, top tier athlete, solid skill level although Brown is lengthier)

Collin Sexton: many say Eric Bledsoe, I see a shorter/6'2" version of John Wall. Still, I do not think Sexton or Young will be the pick.

Lonnie Walker: very intriguing player, reminds me in body type, athleticicsm and personality of Bradley Beal, the shot is good but not near Beal's caliber at this point

Kevin Knox: I don't like him at all. Seems sluggish in his effort. Not dynamic athletically.

Zhaire Smith: Shorter than I hoped but long armed and this years Donovan Mitchell in terms of off the charts athleticism. I am not saying he will blow up the league like DM did, but his floor is Avery Bradley (not bad at all).

% likelihood:

Porter 2%
Carter 3%
Walker/Smith 10% each
Miles Bridges: 25%
Mikal Bridges: 50%
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Breaking:  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2018 11:42 am : link
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Sources: NBA Draft lottery teams were informed Wednesday that Missouriís Michael Porter Jr., a projected high-lottery draft pick, canceled second Pro Day workout Friday because of hip spasms and would undergo tests.
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Sources: NBA Draft lottery teams were informed Wednesday that Missouriís Michael Porter Jr., a projected high-lottery draft pick, canceled second Pro Day workout Friday because of hip spasms and would undergo tests.


Is it that or does he have a promise?
I would consider that good news  
ghost718 : 6/14/2018 11:53 am : link
Congrats to the sucker,I mean team
Awfully risky  
Anakim : 6/14/2018 11:55 am : link
So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.
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DanMetroMan : 6/14/2018 11:57 am : link
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Is it that or does he have a promise?


Was just told off the record "he 100% has a top 4 promise and it's Memphis. If he gets past 2 he's going 4"
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Anakim : 6/14/2018 12:02 pm : link
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Is it that or does he have a promise?



Was just told off the record "he 100% has a top 4 promise and it's Memphis. If he gets past 2 he's going 4"


Surprising. I would think that JJJ or Bamba would be ideal fits next to Gasol
RE: Awfully risky  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13991117 Anakim said:
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So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.


You'd trade a previous year lottery pick to move up 3 spots? I don't see many consensus "star" draft picks in this class, it for sure seems like a year where there are guys going in the 10-20 range that will be better than some of the guys picked in the 5-9 range. That would be a downright awful trade IMO.
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Anakim : 6/14/2018 12:25 pm : link
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So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.



You'd trade a previous year lottery pick to move up 3 spots? I don't see many consensus "star" draft picks in this class, it for sure seems like a year where there are guys going in the 10-20 range that will be better than some of the guys picked in the 5-9 range. That would be a downright awful trade IMO.


I mean if it meant Bamba or JJJ at 6, you consider it, no?
IMO  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 12:31 pm : link
it would be downright dumb to even consider it. It's not like we are talking about 1 or 2 or 3. Frank was probably in the 95th+ percentile of where 19 year olds are defensively their first year. At 6 you aren't talking about a guy who everyone sees as a guaranteed success. Especially a center in todays NBA. And I LOVE JJJ. Trading 2 prospects for 1 just doesn't seem like the right move at any point if its not for a top 3 pick.
Lot of mocks are swinging toward Knox at nine.  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2018 2:00 pm : link
I get a Charlie Villanueva vibe from him, but I understand the youth and skill set is intriguing.
RE: Lot of mocks are swinging toward Knox at nine.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 2:08 pm : link
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I get a Charlie Villanueva vibe from him, but I understand the youth and skill set is intriguing.


I worry about Knox compared to the other wings. He is probably the worst defender of the bunch, is most suited for a 4 but a subpar rebounder, and I can't really see any great skills outside his shooting (which he is good at). He's not a freak athlete and his handle is basic. I just can't see it with him.
And by freak athlete  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 2:09 pm : link
yes he can get up but he doesnt move well laterally and his first step isn't outstanding.
Memphis  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2018 6:06 pm : link
Is reportedly willing to trade the 4th pick to move Parsons. I would be all over this if I'm the Knicks. It would kill the 2019 cap space, but I'd rather have the 4th pick then some pipedream to sign a star in 2019.

Lee/ Thomas for Parsons/ 4th? One can dream.
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nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 7:00 pm : link
lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
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Jon in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.
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nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:04 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..



they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.


and the knicks are taking on one of the worst contracts in the nba and saving them 11 million. .

and lee is useless?
and if 9 has to be included  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:06 pm : link
you do it..
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Jon in NYC : 6/14/2018 9:10 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..



they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.



and the knicks are taking on one of the worst contracts in the nba and saving them 11 million. .

and lee is useless?


yes, Lee is useless.
Ok 16 Iíll play  
Carl in CT : 6/14/2018 9:26 pm : link
We included #9 take on a huge contract for #4. Who are we picking at #4 (assume the big guy is gone), Bagley Doncic or Bamba? (JJ maybe?).
RE: Ok 16 Iíll play  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13991553 Carl in CT said:
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We included #9 take on a huge contract for #4. Who are we picking at #4 (assume the big guy is gone), Bagley Doncic or Bamba? (JJ maybe?).


i am taking doncic and not thinking twice...

henis a point forward, think simmons with a jumper but not crazy athletic...

you have 2 years and then have two max slots to put next to frank, doncic kp and next year and year after 1st....

i wonder  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:33 pm : link
if memphis was the team that called the knicms about moving up and taking parsons..

and i only do it for doncic
I would agree but when the dust settles  
Carl in CT : 6/14/2018 10:12 pm : link
Doncic should go #2 or #3. I think itís choice of JJ and either Bagley or Bamba. If The top three went AA, Doncic, Bamba I donít think I make the deal. (Just my opinion).
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nygiants16 : 6/15/2018 1:53 am : link
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Doncic should go #2 or #3. I think itís choice of JJ and either Bagley or Bamba. If The top three went AA, Doncic, Bamba I donít think I make the deal. (Just my opinion).


i dont either
knicks skipping porters pro day  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2018 7:49 am : link
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Parsons contract is awful  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 9:49 am : link
But I just canít wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I donít think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.
If Porter was 100% healthy and was included in the scenario above  
Carl in CT : 6/15/2018 9:52 am : link
You make the trade for #4. Itís sounds to me the Knicks are sour on him already.
RE: Parsons contract is awful  
Strahan91 : 6/15/2018 10:02 am : link
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But I just canít wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I donít think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.


What do you think the incentive is to leak that? Not being critical, genuinely curious.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 10:06 am : link
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But I just canít wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I donít think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.



What do you think the incentive is to leak that? Not being critical, genuinely curious.


There's so many "insider" leaks they all end up just contradicting each other and people can't tell whats right or wrong. But maybe it gets teams talking, I can't imagine parting with 4 to dump Parsons but maybe some team will swap picks and give other players. How many of these rumors end up being true?
It doesn't seem like it's just to dump  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 10:16 am : link
Parsons. Not sure how credible this source is but if they're asking to get back Harrison barnes it's a bit more than just a salary dump.
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What do you guys think of the international wings like Bonga and Musa?  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 12:45 pm : link
If the Knicks go Guard or stretch-5 at #9 (with MPJ seemingly gone before #9, I want Wendell Carter Jr. His game against Louisville when Bagley was out put me firmly on his bandwagon), I wonder if it puts pressure on management to take a wing with #36.
RE: What do you guys think of the international wings like Bonga and Musa?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 12:51 pm : link
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If the Knicks go Guard or stretch-5 at #9 (with MPJ seemingly gone before #9, I want Wendell Carter Jr. His game against Louisville when Bagley was out put me firmly on his bandwagon), I wonder if it puts pressure on management to take a wing with #36.


Really warming up to Carter. I'd say something like 20-30% of player success is mental, if not more. That shit is impossible for teams to fully gauge, they record interviews and do all sorts of sentiment analysis and can't drill it down, let alone fans. But all the off court and mental stuff for Carter I love. Smart and humble kid. A lot of his college game reminds me of Demarcus Cousins. Not as big but a better shooter and passer than DMC was at this stage. And the mental aspect seems to be completely opposite. I think their can be some hidden athleticism, I'm willing to be he sheds much of the baby fat year 1.
The Louisville game?  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2018 1:03 pm : link
You mean the game when Ray Spalding posted 18 and 10 on him on 8-14 shooting?

He can shoot a bit, but he's a below-average NBA athlete. Who was the last Duke big man to be worth a shit in the NBA - Elton Brand?
So because  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 1:17 pm : link
He played at Duke heís automatically written off? Who was the last Louisville guard to be anything before Mitchell in the nba? What about any LSU player before Simmons since shaq? Doesnít seem like valid scouting.
Gotta think Frank and #9 would be part of any package  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:28 pm : link
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There are more than a few teams who can offer a better package to San Antonio for Kawhi than the Knicks can (assuming they donít include Porzingis), but people close to Leonard have expressed a desire for Leonard to play in New York, per sources.
Kawhi being a free agent at the end of the season is a big help.  
bceagle05 : 6/15/2018 1:31 pm : link
Still don't see us pulling it off though.
Of course  
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If Kawhi would stay in NY  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 1:36 pm : link
then even KP needs to be on the table.
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Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:40 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.


And Porzingis is like the ultimate Spurs player. I'm sure Pops lusts after him
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BigBlueShock : 6/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.

Value wise, sure. But then how does trading KP for Kawhi make sense for the Knicks? Or Kawhi? It will take more than KP too. So they will trade KP and other assets and land Kawhi, who will have absolutely nothing around him. The entire idea of landing Kawhi would be to add him to KP, otherwise, the team is still in no mans land, with even less assets to work with than they have now.
He's going to the Lakers  
Metnut : 6/15/2018 1:45 pm : link
with Lebron.
Maybe the idea is if Kawhi comes to NY, guys like LeBron and PG13  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:46 pm : link
would follow.
Pop tried to trade for KP  
Strahan91 : 6/15/2018 1:47 pm : link
before the draft last year when he was available despite having no assets that made much sense.

I think the idea would be to flip KP for Kawhi and then be a more attractive destination for free agents like Kyrie or Klay. Of course, he'd better be healthy or you're looking at Amare 2.0...
RE: If Kawhi would stay in NY  
Enzo : 6/15/2018 1:48 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.

I wouldn't do that. Kawhi is great but I'm not paying retail for this guy coming off of a 9 game season.
I would imagine including KP gets them Kawhi  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
Lakers have the young assets to trade like Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram, but I'm sure the Spurs would go for a KP deal over a package involving two of those three guys. Not to mention, I'm sure Pops would want Kawhi out of the West.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13992032 Anakim said:
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Lakers have the young assets to trade like Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram, but I'm sure the Spurs would go for a KP deal over a package involving two of those three guys. Not to mention, I'm sure Pops would want Kawhi out of the West.


The injury might make Ingram just as attractive as KP before including all the other young players the Lakers have.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 3:01 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.


I wouldn't do that. Kawhi is great but I'm not paying retail for this guy coming off of a 9 game season.


So you're more comfortable with KP's injury than Kawhi? Idk, personally I think Kawhi's motive all along was to get out of SA (idk why) and he overplayed this injury to get himself out. He played fine in those 9 games and then just mysteriously was hurt again.
This guy is floating the idea of the Knicks moving up to #4  
steve in ky : 6/15/2018 3:21 pm : link
by possibly trading with Memphis
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Not that Frank was a bad pick (there were worse)  
Carl in CT : 6/15/2018 4:09 pm : link
It made it a ho hum draft as we all new it was coming. Iím feeling the same way as to the Villanova product. I expect it to happen. Not crazy about the idea but I expect it. I hope we do something to shake things up just a little for excitement purposes as lord knows the Knicks wonít be exciting for awhile.
RE: This guy is floating the idea of the Knicks moving up to #4  
Heisenberg : 6/15/2018 4:37 pm : link
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It might be worth it, depending on who is there at 4
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NoGainDayne : 6/15/2018 4:51 pm : link
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It might be worth it, depending on who is there at 4


Either of the trades he suggested I would do in be heartbeat. No future first round pick unless its top 10 protected for like 5 years then reverts to a 2nd round pick.
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