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Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:35 am
Guys who will definitely be gone: (and I'll taker a shot at some comparisons; note: any player can BUST due to $$/fame, situation or injury so below are upside comparisons)

Ayton - Comparison: Andre Drummond

Doncic - Comparison: Paul Pierce

Bagley - Comp: Amare Staudimire

JJJ: Comp: Serge Ibaka

Bamba: Comp: Rudy Goebert

Guys who will probably be gone:

Young: Comp: a poor man's Steve Nash (but I am pessimistic)

Porter: Comp: Rudy Gay

Carter Jr.: not lefty and a tad less athletic, but Chris Bosh (smart, skilled, lengthy big man)

Guys to choose from at 9:

Mikal Bridges: Comp: a better shooting Trevor Ariza

Miles Bridges: Jaylen Brown (physically mature, smart, top tier athlete, solid skill level although Brown is lengthier)

Collin Sexton: many say Eric Bledsoe, I see a shorter/6'2" version of John Wall. Still, I do not think Sexton or Young will be the pick.

Lonnie Walker: very intriguing player, reminds me in body type, athleticicsm and personality of Bradley Beal, the shot is good but not near Beal's caliber at this point

Kevin Knox: I don't like him at all. Seems sluggish in his effort. Not dynamic athletically.

Zhaire Smith: Shorter than I hoped but long armed and this years Donovan Mitchell in terms of off the charts athleticism. I am not saying he will blow up the league like DM did, but his floor is Avery Bradley (not bad at all).

% likelihood:

Porter 2%
Carter 3%
Walker/Smith 10% each
Miles Bridges: 25%
Mikal Bridges: 50%
btw  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:38 am : link
I would take Miles over Mikal but bit at all a disappointment if its Mikal
* not at all  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:39 am : link
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Rudy  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2018 10:39 am : link
Gobert has never hit a 3 pointer in his entire career. Bamba shot 28% (51 attempts) and "everyone" agrees this will be part of his game. The range alone makes them totally different offensive players.

ESPN

"Despite that criticism, it's not a stretch to say that Bamba might have the greatest upside of any player in this draft -- Ayton included -- due to his two-way potential as a 3-point shooting, rim-protecting, lob-catching freak who brings a highly analytical approach to the game. While it can be dangerous to put too much stock into evaluating a player in a workout setting, the images from watching Bamba's time in the gym were too vivid and powerful to ignore in terms of the sheer talent he displays, causing us to move him up to No. 3 in our most recent top 100 rankings, behind only Ayton and Luka Doncic.
Like your comparions  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2018 10:40 am : link
For the most part, especially on Sexton, the upside is huge. However you are way off in Miles Bridges and the Jaylen brown comparison. Its not even close, Brown has far superior upside. Miles is an 8th man at best.
Don't forget the guy who's stock rose after the combine -  
Ira : 6/12/2018 10:42 am : link
Keven Huerter. He's a 2 and maybe 3, very good shooter, well rounded game.
great point on Huerter  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:43 am : link
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RE: Rudy  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13989251 DanMetroMan said:
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Gobert has never hit a 3 pointer in his entire career. Bamba shot 28% (51 attempts) and "everyone" agrees this will be part of his game. The range alone makes them totally different offensive players.

ESPN

"Despite that criticism, it's not a stretch to say that Bamba might have the greatest upside of any player in this draft -- Ayton included -- due to his two-way potential as a 3-point shooting, rim-protecting, lob-catching freak who brings a highly analytical approach to the game. While it can be dangerous to put too much stock into evaluating a player in a workout setting, the images from watching Bamba's time in the gym were too vivid and powerful to ignore in terms of the sheer talent he displays, causing us to move him up to No. 3 in our most recent top 100 rankings, behind only Ayton and Luka Doncic.


Fair point. Given that, I am not sure I can come up with a viable comp. I do think he's more defense than offense, so I discarded the KP comp.
RE: Like your comparions  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13989254 GMEN46 said:
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For the most part, especially on Sexton, the upside is huge. However you are way off in Miles Bridges and the Jaylen brown comparison. Its not even close, Brown has far superior upside. Miles is an 8th man at best.


I don't see how he's an 8th man at best. He's fairly skilled (adequate shooter, decent handle, top notch finisher on both power and finesse, has a lot of David Lee like ambidextrous abilities) seems to have great intangibles which is a huge factor in success rate, top tier athlete.
Bamba  
DanMetroMan : 6/12/2018 10:51 am : link
won't be there at 9 but he remains my dream pick at that slot. He and KP could be a matchup nightmare.
Donte  
Csonka : 6/12/2018 10:52 am : link
Not at the Knicks pick, but nobody has him high enough. A little small, but a freak athlete. That lone usually gets you more buzz. He's going to have a good NBA career. Not many "sure things" in the 2nd half of the 1st round. I think he's one.
RE: RE: Like your comparions  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13989266 Pep22 said:
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For the most part, especially on Sexton, the upside is huge. However you are way off in Miles Bridges and the Jaylen brown comparison. Its not even close, Brown has far superior upside. Miles is an 8th man at best.



I don't see how he's an 8th man at best. He's fairly skilled (adequate shooter, decent handle, top notch finisher on both power and finesse, has a lot of David Lee like ambidextrous abilities) seems to have great intangibles which is a huge factor in success rate, top tier athlete.


dont bother, he thinks because he said mitchell was going to be good his word is gospel
RE: Donte  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13989273 Csonka said:
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Not at the Knicks pick, but nobody has him high enough. A little small, but a freak athlete. That lone usually gets you more buzz. He's going to have a good NBA career. Not many "sure things" in the 2nd half of the 1st round. I think he's one.


he has risen, i wanted him with the knicks 2nd rounder but he looks like a mid to late first now...

he must have gotten whatbhe wanted to hear because he is staying in tbe draft
Mikael Bridges  
Pete44 : 6/12/2018 10:57 am : link
The pick will most likely be Mikael Bridges, I think we can book it. This marriage has been in the works and is why the Knicks were not concerned about tanking. I have heard they love him and see him as a perfect fit.

The only caveat is that as usual the rest of the league knows it and there are rumors of Bridges going higher.
Don't see many  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 10:57 am : link
if any similarities with Drummond and Ayton. Ayton is a highly skilled shooter (double Drummond's FT%), can stretch the floor. He isn't a very good passer (also unlike Drummond), not as good of a rebounder and opposite ends of the footwork spectrum. Drummond was a solid defensive prospect from the beginning, Ayton is still figuring out defensive awareness.

For the life of me i cannot see how you can compare the two other than the fact they are the same size and ethnicity.
Yeah, I've assumed all along it'll be Mikal.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2018 11:08 am : link
Not as predictable as the Frank pick last year with Phil running the show, but still a good, safe pick for a new regime. I'd have no problem gambling on a player with higher offensive upside, but I think the Knicks are once again dreaming that will be solved in free agency with Kyrie, Kemba, etc. KP, Frankie and Mikal is certainly a good defensive foundation.
RE: Don't see many  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13989284 giantsfan44ab said:
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if any similarities with Drummond and Ayton. Ayton is a highly skilled shooter (double Drummond's FT%), can stretch the floor. He isn't a very good passer (also unlike Drummond), not as good of a rebounder and opposite ends of the footwork spectrum. Drummond was a solid defensive prospect from the beginning, Ayton is still figuring out defensive awareness.

For the life of me i cannot see how you can compare the two other than the fact they are the same size and ethnicity.


body type, athleticism, rebounding prowess, shot blocking #s that aren't overly impressive considering their elite athleticism and size
My uninformed opinion:  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 11:13 am : link
Assuming the Big-5 are all gone (Ayton, MBIII, JJJ, Bamba, Doncic),

My ideal choice: MPJ (assuming his back checks out)

I'd be good with: Wendell Carter Jr., Mikal Bridges or Collin Sexton

Somewhere in between good and furious (if that exists): Trae Young

I'd be furious with: Miles Bridges, everyone else



And I hope we trade Courtney Lee for a late first rounder. I'm hoping we take a gamble on Mitchell Robinson.
Adequate does not least to large upside in the NBA  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2018 11:15 am : link
His skills donot translate well to nba. Just watch the film, you can see the future struggle in the NBA. If he can develop a three I see Trevor Ariza upside on offense with average nba defense, will struggle to guard 3s and is to small to guard 4s. Not sure about you guys but I have no interest in drafting a poor mans Trevor Ariza with the 9th pick Collin Sexton on the board.
RE: Adequate does not least to large upside in the NBA  
Justlurking : 6/12/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13989303 GMEN46 said:
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His skills donot translate well to nba. Just watch the film, you can see the future struggle in the NBA. If he can develop a three I see Trevor Ariza upside on offense with average nba defense, will struggle to guard 3s and is to small to guard 4s. Not sure about you guys but I have no interest in drafting a poor mans Trevor Ariza with the 9th pick Collin Sexton on the board.


agree 100%. Need to pick the guy with the highest upside. That is not Mikal.
who are you calling a poor man's Trevor Ariza  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 11:20 am : link
if Mikal: he's an upper middle class version of TA since his shot is markedly better

if Miles: that is a weird comparison considering Ariza is not lefty, doesn't really finish with power or use the weak hand and can't really handle it at all
RE: RE: Don't see many  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13989299 Pep22 said:
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if any similarities with Drummond and Ayton. Ayton is a highly skilled shooter (double Drummond's FT%), can stretch the floor. He isn't a very good passer (also unlike Drummond), not as good of a rebounder and opposite ends of the footwork spectrum. Drummond was a solid defensive prospect from the beginning, Ayton is still figuring out defensive awareness.

For the life of me i cannot see how you can compare the two other than the fact they are the same size and ethnicity.



body type, athleticism, rebounding prowess, shot blocking #s that aren't overly impressive considering their elite athleticism and size


The peripherals are similar, but game play couldn't be more different. Drummond is a straight pick and roll big, Ayton is an offensive unicorn. Despite low block shots numbers drummond is a solid rim protector, Ayton is still figuring it out. To me it's like comparing Joel Embiid to Clint Capela.
RE: My uninformed opinion:  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13989301 Anakim said:
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Assuming the Big-5 are all gone (Ayton, MBIII, JJJ, Bamba, Doncic),

My ideal choice: MPJ (assuming his back checks out)

I'd be good with: Wendell Carter Jr., Mikal Bridges or Collin Sexton

Somewhere in between good and furious (if that exists): Trae Young

I'd be furious with: Miles Bridges, everyone else



And I hope we trade Courtney Lee for a late first rounder. I'm hoping we take a gamble on Mitchell Robinson.


Agree with your overall sentiment. We would likely need to trade a late first to get rid of Lee's contract.
Sorry I was  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2018 11:32 am : link
Referring to Miles Bridges in my post. Him and Trae young are remote throwers for me. I would be ok with mikhail, but thats assuming Porter and Sexton are gone.
neither AD/DA  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 11:32 am : link
are remotely close to CC defensively not JE offensively

both AD and DA are extraordinary physical specimens who need various skill upgrades before they are the kind of Cs that can propel a team to the playoffs
RE: neither AD/DA  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13989318 Pep22 said:
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are remotely close to CC defensively not JE offensively

both AD and DA are extraordinary physical specimens who need various skill upgrades before they are the kind of Cs that can propel a team to the playoffs


Hence why I used "like" instead of "they are". Their games are not remotely comparable. The only way I can see how someone could get to that comparison if they simply looked at their height, weight and college stats. Even then I can't see it considering Drummond was a 29% FT shooter and Ayton is 73% and 34% from 3. Theres more to scouting/player comparisons than comparing previous player box scores.

Ayton vs college Drummond couldn't be more different offensively. Ayton is MUCH more skilled in almost every respect on offense.
Porter  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 11:42 am : link
I do not have a great feel for him. The back is well documented. Hopefully that is resolved.

Beyond that...and this is not per a thorough analysis, but he seems to be a Rudy Gay like pure finesse player and I find myself wondering about his personality (strikes me as intelligent but high maintenance, similar to how we gauged Josh Rosen in the NFL draft). That is just a first impression. I may be way off base.
RE: Mikael Bridges  
djm : 6/12/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13989283 Pete44 said:
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The pick will most likely be Mikael Bridges, I think we can book it. This marriage has been in the works and is why the Knicks were not concerned about tanking. I have heard they love him and see him as a perfect fit.

The only caveat is that as usual the rest of the league knows it and there are rumors of Bridges going higher.


This whole entire league knows it crap needs to end already. Its just another made up concern from fans that is overstated and probably untrue.

Plus, teams arent going to pick a player simply because the Knicks may or may not like that player. Enough already.
RE: Rudy  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13989251 DanMetroMan said:
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Gobert has never hit a 3 pointer in his entire career. Bamba shot 28% (51 attempts) and "everyone" agrees this will be part of his game. The range alone makes them totally different offensive players.

ESPN

"Despite that criticism, it's not a stretch to say that Bamba might have the greatest upside of any player in this draft -- Ayton included -- due to his two-way potential as a 3-point shooting, rim-protecting, lob-catching freak who brings a highly analytical approach to the game. While it can be dangerous to put too much stock into evaluating a player in a workout setting, the images from watching Bamba's time in the gym were too vivid and powerful to ignore in terms of the sheer talent he displays, causing us to move him up to No. 3 in our most recent top 100 rankings, behind only Ayton and Luka Doncic.


I'd be tempted to take Bamba over Ayton. The upside on him is just insane. And Ayton's defense is worrisome.
RE: RE: Rudy  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13989346 TyreeHelmet said:
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Gobert has never hit a 3 pointer in his entire career. Bamba shot 28% (51 attempts) and "everyone" agrees this will be part of his game. The range alone makes them totally different offensive players.

ESPN

"Despite that criticism, it's not a stretch to say that Bamba might have the greatest upside of any player in this draft -- Ayton included -- due to his two-way potential as a 3-point shooting, rim-protecting, lob-catching freak who brings a highly analytical approach to the game. While it can be dangerous to put too much stock into evaluating a player in a workout setting, the images from watching Bamba's time in the gym were too vivid and powerful to ignore in terms of the sheer talent he displays, causing us to move him up to No. 3 in our most recent top 100 rankings, behind only Ayton and Luka Doncic.



I'd be tempted to take Bamba over Ayton. The upside on him is just insane. And Ayton's defense is worrisome.


I keep having the same thought. I also think Bamba's intelligence and humble personality is another thing that may elevate him over DA when all is said in done w their careers.
RE: Bamba  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13989268 DanMetroMan said:
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won't be there at 9 but he remains my dream pick at that slot. He and KP could be a matchup nightmare.


He's obviously not dropping to 9 but you are right they could pose a nightmare lineup. That rim protection but also having both of them be able to space the floor....Would be fascinating to watch.

If he drops past 5, would you think about trying to move up?
RE: RE: Mikael Bridges  
Pete44 : 6/12/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13989342 djm said:
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The pick will most likely be Mikael Bridges, I think we can book it. This marriage has been in the works and is why the Knicks were not concerned about tanking. I have heard they love him and see him as a perfect fit.

The only caveat is that as usual the rest of the league knows it and there are rumors of Bridges going higher.



This whole entire league knows it crap needs to end already. Its just another made up concern from fans that is overstated and probably untrue.


Plus, teams arent going to pick a player simply because the Knicks may or may not like that player. Enough already.


When I say the whole league knows it, I'm saying that if a team wants Bridges, they feel they will have to trade ahead of the Knicks.
I think Bamba is pretty safe  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 12:23 pm : link
but I'd say his offense is as worrisome as Ayton's defense. Bamba is by no stretch a knockdown shooter at all, he is limited to basic PnRs and an occasional jumper. Can't hold his own in the post against bigger guys. I think you have to do a lot of projection to get Bamba's offensive game and Ayton's defensive potential to their respective ceilings.
RE: RE: RE: Mikael Bridges  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
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The pick will most likely be Mikael Bridges, I think we can book it. This marriage has been in the works and is why the Knicks were not concerned about tanking. I have heard they love him and see him as a perfect fit.

The only caveat is that as usual the rest of the league knows it and there are rumors of Bridges going higher.



This whole entire league knows it crap needs to end already. Its just another made up concern from fans that is overstated and probably untrue.


Plus, teams arent going to pick a player simply because the Knicks may or may not like that player. Enough already.



When I say the whole league knows it, I'm saying that if a team wants Bridges, they feel they will have to trade ahead of the Knicks.


it never happens in the nba, it is not like the nfl where a team can move up one spot for an extra 3rd or something like that...

move ups usually involve future 1sts...

a team is not moving up ahead of the knicks because they think knicks want bridges
RE: I think Bamba is pretty safe  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13989372 giantsfan44ab said:
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but I'd say his offense is as worrisome as Ayton's defense. Bamba is by no stretch a knockdown shooter at all, he is limited to basic PnRs and an occasional jumper. Can't hold his own in the post against bigger guys. I think you have to do a lot of projection to get Bamba's offensive game and Ayton's defensive potential to their respective ceilings.


That's why I'd be more comfortable with JJJ than Bamba. JJJ has a perimeter game and can shoot the 3 very well. He doesn't have Bamba's insane wingspan, but he's just as an effective shot blocker and rim protector.
From Begley  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2018 2:18 pm : link
Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.
RE: From Begley  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13989499 TyreeHelmet said:
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.


I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.
They  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2018 2:23 pm : link
have nothing of value other than Frank to trade.

I also think there's a decent chance that Porter falls to 9.
Yeah I'd sit tight at nine.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2018 2:32 pm : link
I have a feeling someone we don't expect to be there at nine is gonna be there at nine, and it might be Porter anyway. I don't want to ditch Frank at this point.
RE: RE: From Begley  
djm : 6/12/2018 2:50 pm : link
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.


Lol lets offer up an STD while were at it.
RE: RE: From Begley  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2018 2:58 pm : link
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.


Baker owes Phil Jackson big time. One of the more ridiculous contracts Ive seen recently. But at least it seems like hes a good guy.
If a team wants to  
Metnut : 6/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
let the Knicks move up a few picks for that Chicago second rounder... by all means!
RE: RE: RE: From Begley  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 3:06 pm : link
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.



Lol lets offer up an STD while were at it.


LOL
Porter  
GMEN46 : 6/12/2018 3:08 pm : link
If healthy, I said this a few weeks ago you absolutely trade up. If it takes a heavily protected 2020 1st rounder then you do it. Maybe someone will give Mudiay one more chance with a protected 2020 first to move up. I wouldnt do more then that. I am perfectly fine takinf Sexton at 9.
my guess if teams are calling the knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 3:12 pm : link
they want next years first, they know with kp out they are going to be bad...

if knicks did that it better be heavily protected...

as for doing it for porter, if henis healthy he could be a top 3 player in this draft..
Porter  
Jon in NYC : 6/12/2018 3:14 pm : link
has superstar upside. He also has a massive bust potential.

I think the Rudy Gay comparison is a good one.
RE: From Begley  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13989499 TyreeHelmet said:
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.


Does that mean that Knicks brass are making it known that they want MPJ? I mean if we're going to trade up, it should be for one of the Big-5. After that, it's truly a crapshoot as to who will be there at 9 or not.
RE: Porter  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13989570 Jon in NYC said:
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has superstar upside. He also has a massive bust potential.

I think the Rudy Gay comparison is a good one.


I thought he was more Harrison Barnes and my friend thinks he's like Gay/Keith Van Horn.
RE: RE: From Begley  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 3:20 pm : link
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



Does that mean that Knicks brass are making it known that they want MPJ? I mean if we're going to trade up, it should be for one of the Big-5. After that, it's truly a crapshoot as to who will be there at 9 or not.


it is either knicks putting it out there as smoke...

porters agent saying the knicks are interested and trying to get him...

or a team like dallas leaked it to try and drive up price for their pick
RE: RE: RE: From Begley  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13989584 nygiants16 said:
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



Does that mean that Knicks brass are making it known that they want MPJ? I mean if we're going to trade up, it should be for one of the Big-5. After that, it's truly a crapshoot as to who will be there at 9 or not.



it is either knicks putting it out there as smoke...

porters agent saying the knicks are interested and trying to get him...

or a team like dallas leaked it to try and drive up price for their pick



'Tis the season for smokescreens. But it might just be teams putting 2 and 2 together. Knicks have been vocal about needing a 3; MPJ is the best SF in the Draft (not counting Doncic)...
What's the upside on Michigan's Wagner?  
Beezer : 6/12/2018 3:28 pm : link
Might he be around when the Knicks pick in the 2nd round?

Could be a good add, imo. Kid's a ballplayer. Tough.
Most mocks have him going in the range of the Knicks pick so Wagner  
Heisenberg : 6/12/2018 3:30 pm : link
might be available.
RE: Yeah I'd sit tight at nine.  
Beezer : 6/12/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13989514 bceagle05 said:
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I have a feeling someone we don't expect to be there at nine is gonna be there at nine, and it might be Porter anyway. I don't want to ditch Frank at this point.


Jesus no! Frank is still growing ... physically and as a player. He's got terrific upside, even if he doesn't make it to "star" level. And you never know about that.
RE: What's the upside on Michigan's Wagner?  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13989594 Beezer said:
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Might he be around when the Knicks pick in the 2nd round?

Could be a good add, imo. Kid's a ballplayer. Tough.


I think anytime you have a big guy who can shoot the three, you pay a little more attention. But from what I've heard, his defense is a disaster.
He works terribly hard out there.  
Beezer : 6/12/2018 3:32 pm : link
Gotta think his D could improve.
Frank is as old as the prospects in the upcoming draft  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:33 pm : link
It's kind of like he's an extra first rounder. I worry about his offense and his shot, but it's way too soon to give up on him.


Wouldn't surprise me if they did though. He was a Phil pick thru and thru. He wasn't even on Perry's radar.
frank looks like he put on some weight  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 3:34 pm : link
hopefully this year he comes in a lot more comfortable and not as timid on offense
.  
Anakim : 6/12/2018 3:37 pm : link
I'm sorry but Trae Young really reminds me of a glorified Trey Burke...never mind that Young's defense looks pedestrian and he often looks disinterested out there.
I'm content to just add #9 and #36 and see how we do.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2018 3:41 pm : link
I have no faith in the Knicks executing a draft-day trade that benefits them.
Frank + 9  
Carl in CT : 6/12/2018 4:02 pm : link
I can see an interest by Orlando at #6. Porter better be as advertised coming out of HS to make in work.
RE: Frank + 9  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13989634 Carl in CT said:
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I can see an interest by Orlando at #6. Porter better be as advertised coming out of HS to make in work.


i am not trading frank to kove up 3 slots
RE: Frank + 9  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13989634 Carl in CT said:
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I can see an interest by Orlando at #6. Porter better be as advertised coming out of HS to make in work.


That would be a pretty fucking dumb move.
Not what I hope.  
Carl in CT : 6/12/2018 5:26 pm : link
Its being talked about
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nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 5:32 pm : link
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i am sure trams are trying to snake him, doesnt mean the knicks want to
Hard to imagine  
Pep22 : 6/12/2018 5:37 pm : link
Frank + 9 = 6 in anybody's opinion of value.

That would be pretty disturbing of a management that (unlike PJax) seems to understand value. I am not saying its been home runs, but it hasn't been strikeouts. To continue the baseball analogy:

-dumping Melo
-adding Burke plus a team option
-adding Williams plus a team option

were all solid moves and the Fizdale move is potentially better than solid.
OP...  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 6:46 pm : link
Doncic = Paul Pierce?

Where in Gods name did you get that comparison?
And Ayton as Drummond?  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 6:50 pm : link
Have you seen Ayton play? He has a legit perimeter game and can put the ball on the floor.

Drummond possesses none of those skills. Hes a classic inside the paint, back to the basket player.
Heard r  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 8:16 pm : link
a Hedu Turkoglu comp for Doncic. Haven't seen Doncic all that much but I can kind of see that one.

But going down player comparisons is fun but gotta be careful pigeonholing these guys just as their comps.
One thing about this draft is I think the players at 9 look way  
NoGainDayne : 6/12/2018 8:28 pm : link
better than last year.

Mikal Bridges has a great floor. And wouldn't mind him at all.

Porter JR is the kind of guy that could turn us into a free agent destination next year.

Knox is the guy that really intrigues me. Many seem to dislike him here but he is young and has a lot of potential.

If he fills out his frame and improves a bit he could make a very interesting small ball lineup with KP.

Carter or Bomba are obviously dream falls. Think either of them pair great with KP.

The thing about Young and others have touched on it even if you get his ceiling I don't think he fits well with KP.
i think people dont like knox  
nygiants16 : 6/12/2018 8:50 pm : link
because he seems like a prohect but also people are worried about his work ethic..i dont know where it comes from ut people are worried he wont reach that potential
the guy who is really intrigueing is anfernee simons  
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Eli Wilson : 6/12/2018 9:05 pm : link
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because he seems like a prohect but also people are worried about his work ethic..i dont know where it comes from ut people are worried he wont reach that potential


I just don't like looking at his forehead. Something weird going on there.
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Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to New York gauge its interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.



I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.



Baker owes Phil Jackson big time. One of the more ridiculous contracts Ive seen recently. But at least it seems like hes a good guy.

Didn't Mills give Baker that contract?
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I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.



Baker owes Phil Jackson big time. One of the more ridiculous contracts Ive seen recently. But at least it seems like hes a good guy.


Didn't Mills give Baker that contract?


Yep
Mills gave Baker that contract.  
bceagle05 : 6/12/2018 11:05 pm : link
Mills gave Hardaway THAT contract.
Mills was on the verge of taking back Ryan Anderson's albatross contract in a Melo-to-Houston deal (before Perry hit the reset button).
Mills reportedly wanted Malik Monk (as did many, including me at times).

Nice enough guy, but he's been here for all of this nonsense over the years. Our only hope is that he lets Perry and Fizdale run the show - Mills' only job should be to keep Jimmy Dolan at bay.
Id ask Calipari about Knox. Booker wasnt as good of a prospect  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/12/2018 11:45 pm : link
coming out and look at what hes done. Different players, but its hard to extrapolate UK players pro potential from their college production.

Bamba is so mechanical in his movement that its hard to fathom he will ever be a dynamic offensive player. I guess he can simply shoot over defender and be similar to Ewing. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders, easy player to root for.

Sexton is growing on me. He doesnt back down from anybody and we need one of those players on this team. Id gamble on Smith or Porter too if somehow they are convinced Sextons game wont translate, but definitely not the others. We are never going to get out of this rut if we stick with safe picks. Having a nice 3 and D guy like Bowen or Ariza is nice
and all but not when you dont have Duncan/Manu/Parker or Harden/Paul yet. We already have Frank and bunch of other guys who cant create their own shots, we now need a difference maker. KP is a good start but we need a stud in the backcourt too.
RE: OP...  
Pep22 : 6/13/2018 8:31 am : link
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Doncic = Paul Pierce?

Where in Gods name did you get that comparison?


So annoying how people turn into assholes for no particular reason.

The PP comp was per the following:

-both 6'7"
-both very strong and use that strength very well
-both high skilled shot makers with a great deal of variety
-both very competitive and the kinds of players that don't fear physicality or big moments
-both offer some position versatility although Doncic has more facilitating instincts
-neither is physically gifted as it relates to run/jump
I think  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/13/2018 9:00 am : link
busts usually stem from a lack of talent and/or work ethic than any circumstance. Money, fame, situation and injury certainly play into it at times. But usually, bust prospects just don't live up to their projected talent or don't work hard to improve their game.
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I'd be willing to part with Ron Baker...and if push comes to shove, Lance Thomas as well.



Baker owes Phil Jackson big time. One of the more ridiculous contracts Ive seen recently. But at least it seems like hes a good guy.


Didn't Mills give Baker that contract?



Yep


This is purely my opinion but I believe Jackson had offered and agreed to the deal with Baker's agent before he was fired and Mills either was okay with it or couldn't then go back on it given the ripple effect that might have. My thinking is as follows:

1) It was no secret that Jackson loved Baker and wanted to lock him up
2) A day or two after Jackson was canned, Baker was in Las Vegas with the Knicks summer league team and told reporters he had agreed to a deal with the Knicks. It wasn't finalized for months later for cap flexibility purposes but that would've been an awfully tight timeline for Mills to get the job and resign him that fast.
3) Jackson had a history of overpaying when it came to resigning Knicks role players who had no value around the league or on the open market. Lance Thomas, Lou Amundson, etc.

On another note, I thought this article was interesting. ESPN's model loves Mikal.
Boom or bust: ESPN's Draft Analytics model predicts top players in 2018 NBA draft - ( New Window )
I think the two prospects I'd be most comfortable with  
giantsfan44ab : 6/13/2018 10:40 am : link
are Sexton and Mikal Bridges. I give the nod to Sexton due to upside but I also think Bridges is a bit underrated offensively. He is a great finisher, can push in transition. He doesn't have a great handle but he can take advantage of slower/bigger guys with it. And there's a mid range component to his game that gets overlooked and lost with all these Ariza and Covington comparisons. He can get looks in that area that Ariza can't create. Same goes for his passing. I think he has 15-17 PPG and 2-3 assists per game upside.

Many people seem to forget that Ariza was pretty much a non shooter for the first half of his career and made significant strides to get to where he is today. At the same age, Bridges and Ariza aren't comparable. Bridges can get his shot off quickly and doesn't have to be set necessarily. I think he is more comparable to a Klay Thompson then Ariza as a shooter (not saying he will be Klay, just comparing his ability to hit off balance shots).

But I like Sexton's athleticism and creating ability. I think the floor will open up for him in the NBA. I think he offers similar offensive upside to Dennis Smith but has the tools to become a good if not great defender.
Cross  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2018 11:36 am : link
off MPJ. Top 4 promise.
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Jon in NYC : 6/14/2018 11:41 am : link
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off MPJ. Top 4 promise.


Wow.
Breaking:  
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Is it that or does he have a promise?
I would consider that good news  
ghost718 : 6/14/2018 11:53 am : link
Congrats to the sucker,I mean team
Awfully risky  
Anakim : 6/14/2018 11:55 am : link
So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.
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Is it that or does he have a promise?


Was just told off the record "he 100% has a top 4 promise and it's Memphis. If he gets past 2 he's going 4"
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Anakim : 6/14/2018 12:02 pm : link
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Is it that or does he have a promise?



Was just told off the record "he 100% has a top 4 promise and it's Memphis. If he gets past 2 he's going 4"


Surprising. I would think that JJJ or Bamba would be ideal fits next to Gasol
RE: Awfully risky  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 12:16 pm : link
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So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.


You'd trade a previous year lottery pick to move up 3 spots? I don't see many consensus "star" draft picks in this class, it for sure seems like a year where there are guys going in the 10-20 range that will be better than some of the guys picked in the 5-9 range. That would be a downright awful trade IMO.
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Anakim : 6/14/2018 12:25 pm : link
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So that means one of the Big-5 (Ayton, Bamba, JJJ, Bagley III and Doncic) drops out of the Top-5.

Magic need a PG. Could they be interested in Frankie N and the ninth overall pick? I can see them going with Trae Young.



You'd trade a previous year lottery pick to move up 3 spots? I don't see many consensus "star" draft picks in this class, it for sure seems like a year where there are guys going in the 10-20 range that will be better than some of the guys picked in the 5-9 range. That would be a downright awful trade IMO.


I mean if it meant Bamba or JJJ at 6, you consider it, no?
IMO  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 12:31 pm : link
it would be downright dumb to even consider it. It's not like we are talking about 1 or 2 or 3. Frank was probably in the 95th+ percentile of where 19 year olds are defensively their first year. At 6 you aren't talking about a guy who everyone sees as a guaranteed success. Especially a center in todays NBA. And I LOVE JJJ. Trading 2 prospects for 1 just doesn't seem like the right move at any point if its not for a top 3 pick.
Lot of mocks are swinging toward Knox at nine.  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2018 2:00 pm : link
I get a Charlie Villanueva vibe from him, but I understand the youth and skill set is intriguing.
RE: Lot of mocks are swinging toward Knox at nine.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 2:08 pm : link
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I get a Charlie Villanueva vibe from him, but I understand the youth and skill set is intriguing.


I worry about Knox compared to the other wings. He is probably the worst defender of the bunch, is most suited for a 4 but a subpar rebounder, and I can't really see any great skills outside his shooting (which he is good at). He's not a freak athlete and his handle is basic. I just can't see it with him.
And by freak athlete  
giantsfan44ab : 6/14/2018 2:09 pm : link
yes he can get up but he doesnt move well laterally and his first step isn't outstanding.
Memphis  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2018 6:06 pm : link
Is reportedly willing to trade the 4th pick to move Parsons. I would be all over this if I'm the Knicks. It would kill the 2019 cap space, but I'd rather have the 4th pick then some pipedream to sign a star in 2019.

Lee/ Thomas for Parsons/ 4th? One can dream.
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nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 7:00 pm : link
lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
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Jon in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.
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nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:04 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..



they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.


and the knicks are taking on one of the worst contracts in the nba and saving them 11 million. .

and lee is useless?
and if 9 has to be included  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:06 pm : link
you do it..
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Jon in NYC : 6/14/2018 9:10 pm : link
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..



they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol.



and the knicks are taking on one of the worst contracts in the nba and saving them 11 million. .

and lee is useless?


yes, Lee is useless.
Ok 16 Ill play  
Carl in CT : 6/14/2018 9:26 pm : link
We included #9 take on a huge contract for #4. Who are we picking at #4 (assume the big guy is gone), Bagley Doncic or Bamba? (JJ maybe?).
RE: Ok 16 Ill play  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:32 pm : link
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We included #9 take on a huge contract for #4. Who are we picking at #4 (assume the big guy is gone), Bagley Doncic or Bamba? (JJ maybe?).


i am taking doncic and not thinking twice...

henis a point forward, think simmons with a jumper but not crazy athletic...

you have 2 years and then have two max slots to put next to frank, doncic kp and next year and year after 1st....

i wonder  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2018 9:33 pm : link
if memphis was the team that called the knicms about moving up and taking parsons..

and i only do it for doncic
I would agree but when the dust settles  
Carl in CT : 6/14/2018 10:12 pm : link
Doncic should go #2 or #3. I think its choice of JJ and either Bagley or Bamba. If The top three went AA, Doncic, Bamba I dont think I make the deal. (Just my opinion).
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nygiants16 : 6/15/2018 1:53 am : link
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Doncic should go #2 or #3. I think its choice of JJ and either Bagley or Bamba. If The top three went AA, Doncic, Bamba I dont think I make the deal. (Just my opinion).


i dont either
knicks skipping porters pro day  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2018 7:49 am : link
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Parsons contract is awful  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 9:49 am : link
But I just cant wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I dont think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.
If Porter was 100% healthy and was included in the scenario above  
Carl in CT : 6/15/2018 9:52 am : link
You make the trade for #4. Its sounds to me the Knicks are sour on him already.
RE: Parsons contract is awful  
Strahan91 : 6/15/2018 10:02 am : link
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But I just cant wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I dont think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.


What do you think the incentive is to leak that? Not being critical, genuinely curious.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 10:06 am : link
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But I just cant wrap my head around Memphis trading #4 to get rid of it. I dont think Memphis is fooling themselves into landing Lebron or PG. it honestly just sounds like an intentionally leaked rumor.



What do you think the incentive is to leak that? Not being critical, genuinely curious.


There's so many "insider" leaks they all end up just contradicting each other and people can't tell whats right or wrong. But maybe it gets teams talking, I can't imagine parting with 4 to dump Parsons but maybe some team will swap picks and give other players. How many of these rumors end up being true?
It doesn't seem like it's just to dump  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 10:16 am : link
Parsons. Not sure how credible this source is but if they're asking to get back Harrison barnes it's a bit more than just a salary dump.
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What do you guys think of the international wings like Bonga and Musa?  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 12:45 pm : link
If the Knicks go Guard or stretch-5 at #9 (with MPJ seemingly gone before #9, I want Wendell Carter Jr. His game against Louisville when Bagley was out put me firmly on his bandwagon), I wonder if it puts pressure on management to take a wing with #36.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 12:51 pm : link
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If the Knicks go Guard or stretch-5 at #9 (with MPJ seemingly gone before #9, I want Wendell Carter Jr. His game against Louisville when Bagley was out put me firmly on his bandwagon), I wonder if it puts pressure on management to take a wing with #36.


Really warming up to Carter. I'd say something like 20-30% of player success is mental, if not more. That shit is impossible for teams to fully gauge, they record interviews and do all sorts of sentiment analysis and can't drill it down, let alone fans. But all the off court and mental stuff for Carter I love. Smart and humble kid. A lot of his college game reminds me of Demarcus Cousins. Not as big but a better shooter and passer than DMC was at this stage. And the mental aspect seems to be completely opposite. I think their can be some hidden athleticism, I'm willing to be he sheds much of the baby fat year 1.
The Louisville game?  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2018 1:03 pm : link
You mean the game when Ray Spalding posted 18 and 10 on him on 8-14 shooting?

He can shoot a bit, but he's a below-average NBA athlete. Who was the last Duke big man to be worth a shit in the NBA - Elton Brand?
So because  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 1:17 pm : link
He played at Duke hes automatically written off? Who was the last Louisville guard to be anything before Mitchell in the nba? What about any LSU player before Simmons since shaq? Doesnt seem like valid scouting.
Gotta think Frank and #9 would be part of any package  
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Kawhi being a free agent at the end of the season is a big help.  
bceagle05 : 6/15/2018 1:31 pm : link
Still don't see us pulling it off though.
Of course  
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If Kawhi would stay in NY  
giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 1:36 pm : link
then even KP needs to be on the table.
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Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:40 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.


And Porzingis is like the ultimate Spurs player. I'm sure Pops lusts after him
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BigBlueShock : 6/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.

Value wise, sure. But then how does trading KP for Kawhi make sense for the Knicks? Or Kawhi? It will take more than KP too. So they will trade KP and other assets and land Kawhi, who will have absolutely nothing around him. The entire idea of landing Kawhi would be to add him to KP, otherwise, the team is still in no mans land, with even less assets to work with than they have now.
He's going to the Lakers  
Metnut : 6/15/2018 1:45 pm : link
with Lebron.
Maybe the idea is if Kawhi comes to NY, guys like LeBron and PG13  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:46 pm : link
would follow.
Pop tried to trade for KP  
Strahan91 : 6/15/2018 1:47 pm : link
before the draft last year when he was available despite having no assets that made much sense.

I think the idea would be to flip KP for Kawhi and then be a more attractive destination for free agents like Kyrie or Klay. Of course, he'd better be healthy or you're looking at Amare 2.0...
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Enzo : 6/15/2018 1:48 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.

I wouldn't do that. Kawhi is great but I'm not paying retail for this guy coming off of a 9 game season.
I would imagine including KP gets them Kawhi  
Anakim : 6/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
Lakers have the young assets to trade like Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram, but I'm sure the Spurs would go for a KP deal over a package involving two of those three guys. Not to mention, I'm sure Pops would want Kawhi out of the West.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 2:59 pm : link
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Lakers have the young assets to trade like Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram, but I'm sure the Spurs would go for a KP deal over a package involving two of those three guys. Not to mention, I'm sure Pops would want Kawhi out of the West.


The injury might make Ingram just as attractive as KP before including all the other young players the Lakers have.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/15/2018 3:01 pm : link
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then even KP needs to be on the table.


I wouldn't do that. Kawhi is great but I'm not paying retail for this guy coming off of a 9 game season.


So you're more comfortable with KP's injury than Kawhi? Idk, personally I think Kawhi's motive all along was to get out of SA (idk why) and he overplayed this injury to get himself out. He played fine in those 9 games and then just mysteriously was hurt again.
This guy is floating the idea of the Knicks moving up to #4  
steve in ky : 6/15/2018 3:21 pm : link
by possibly trading with Memphis
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Not that Frank was a bad pick (there were worse)  
Carl in CT : 6/15/2018 4:09 pm : link
It made it a ho hum draft as we all new it was coming. Im feeling the same way as to the Villanova product. I expect it to happen. Not crazy about the idea but I expect it. I hope we do something to shake things up just a little for excitement purposes as lord knows the Knicks wont be exciting for awhile.
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Heisenberg : 6/15/2018 4:37 pm : link
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It might be worth it, depending on who is there at 4
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NoGainDayne : 6/15/2018 4:51 pm : link
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It might be worth it, depending on who is there at 4


Either of the trades he suggested I would do in be heartbeat. No future first round pick unless its top 10 protected for like 5 years then reverts to a 2nd round pick.
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