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dep026 : 6/12/2018 11:41 am
With about 10 weeks until most teams are getting ready to draft, anyone have any thoughts so far?

It seems like most leagues are going back to drafting bellcow backs with Bell, Elliott, Johnson, Gurley, Barkley, Hunt, Fournette all going pretty high. It seemed like for years WRs were making their names in the first round, but it is now switching back.

Any sleepers? Any strategy? I think the non drafting of QBs is even more important now. Wentz and Watson were/are highly ranked but coming off injuries. As is Rodgers. Lot of new faces around the league.

Guy I am really high on, and think he can get back to top 10 material at his position? Amari Cooper. He was flat out terrible last year but I think Chucky is going to revitalize the team and he is going to play a huge role with Nelson seeing a lot of targets his way.
Where are you taking  
giantsfan44ab : 6/12/2018 11:42 am : link
Saquon?
RE: Where are you taking  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13989328 giantsfan44ab said:
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Saquon?


I mean its way too early to know the exact spot. But I can see anywhere from 7-10 overall and probably 5-6 overall RB behind Bell, Elliott, Johnson, Gurley, and Kamara.
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2018 11:44 am : link
I am targeting Watson heavily in every league I'm in. I'm not going to crazy reach to get him and if someone else does, so be it. But I need that guy on at least one of my teams again. He was an absolute fantasy monster before he got hurt.
What do you mean by this?  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 11:44 am : link
just wait and get a QB in the mid-to late-mid rounds?

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I think the non drafting of QBs is even more important now. Wentz and Watson were/are highly ranked but coming off injuries. As is Rodgers. Lot of new faces around the league.
I think Mahomes  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 11:46 am : link
has sleeper QB potential (granted I haven't looked at one bit of Fantasy Football rankings yet, so not sure if he is being ranked somewhere that makes him a non-sleeper). I think if I can get him in the 8th round, with a fallback like Stafford or Eli I might do that.
RE: What do you mean by this?  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13989334 pjcas18 said:
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just wait and get a QB in the mid-to late-mid rounds?



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I think the non drafting of QBs is even more important now. Wentz and Watson were/are highly ranked but coming off injuries. As is Rodgers. Lot of new faces around the league.



I may wait until round 8-10 to get a QB.
If your draft spot  
WillVAB : 6/12/2018 11:50 am : link
Is on the back end Iíd consider doubling up on WR with Julio/Beckham. Seems like both are projected to go late first/early second and I think both are poised for big years.

RB looks to be a lot deeper this year than prior years and the WR pool gets thin pretty quick.
RE: RE: What do you mean by this?  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13989337 dep026 said:
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In comment 13989334 pjcas18 said:


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just wait and get a QB in the mid-to late-mid rounds?



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I think the non drafting of QBs is even more important now. Wentz and Watson were/are highly ranked but coming off injuries. As is Rodgers. Lot of new faces around the league.





I may wait until round 8-10 to get a QB.


Same here.
These Qbs have a realistic chance at 25 TDs combined at least  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 11:51 am : link
Brady
Watson
Wentz
Ben
Brees
Rivers
Mahommes
Wilson
Cousins
Cam
Rodgers
Ryan
Stafford
Goff

Why risk taking one early?
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2018 11:52 am : link
I really never go into drafts with a strategy. I just let the draft dictate my strategy.

All that matters to me is that I have a good grasp of what I expect each player to do and how I value them.
In a 10 team league the top are 8 rbs and 2 wr  
superspynyg : 6/12/2018 11:58 am : link
The only wrs worth a rd 1 is Brown and OBJ. I don't put Jones in rd 1 only because of his low Td production

The other 9 in no order
Gurley
Bell
Elliott
Barkely
Kamara
Johnson
Hunt
Fournette

as for comeback players look at Matt Ryan. 3 good wrs. Added to their o-line and I expect better play calling from the OC in his second year.
Haven't gotten through all the positions yet on my initial rankings  
YAJ2112 : 6/12/2018 11:59 am : link
I've done QBs and took a crack at RBs, looking at WRs next.

I'm normally a guy ready/willing to take a QB before round 5. Just not seeing one I would do that with this year.

Rodgers/Brady have less high caliber weapons than usual.
Wentz/Watson are coming back from injury
Cam/Russell have concerns with weapons, OL
Brees is on a run-first team now.
The next group (Grapes, Cousins, Goff, Ryan) is all close enough to these guys that there is no large gap anywhere.

I think no matter how late you take a QB this year, you may wish you waited longer.
I don't have specific player  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 12:05 pm : link
expectations per se, but once I know my draft position I have expectations on who may be available with my first few picks and who I'd pick in those spots.

It usually doesn't work out exactly that way, but I have some idea on who I'd take first few rounds.

Keeper leagues are obviously different and I have one keeper league and this year I'm keeping (as long as they're healthy on 8/1) Beckham with a 4th round pick and Michael Thomas with a 5th and I feel good about that. It seems like NO is building their team around Thomas and Kamara. Thomas hitting his 3rd year, I'm hoping for even bigger things from him should see a ton of targets.
I would take Deshaun Watson  
allstarjim : 6/12/2018 12:08 pm : link
Before a WR1. If you pair him with a top RB, you are going to give yourself a big chance to win.

The only thing with Watson is you will want a good backup QB. Perhaps Big Ben.

Staying on the QB discussion, I think many are going to be sleeping on Andrew Luck. It definitely is a risk, but he bears watching in preseason. If he's all the way back he could represent huge fantasy value.
RE: I would take Deshaun Watson  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13989352 allstarjim said:
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Before a WR1. If you pair him with a top RB, you are going to give yourself a big chance to win.

The only thing with Watson is you will want a good backup QB. Perhaps Big Ben.

Staying on the QB discussion, I think many are going to be sleeping on Andrew Luck. It definitely is a risk, but he bears watching in preseason. If he's all the way back he could represent huge fantasy value.


So if you pick late 1st and assume Gurley, Bell, Elliott, DJ and Kamara are gone (maybe not 1 - 5, but they're gone), even add in Hunt you take Watson before Brown, Beckham, Jones, Hopkins, etc.?

Are we doing another BBI League?  
leatherneck570 : 6/12/2018 12:20 pm : link
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Here's my roster the BBI Legacy/Dynasty League  
NYG27 : 6/12/2018 12:23 pm : link
We wrapped up free agency in May and about past mid way in our Rookie Draft but here's my roster so far.

QB - Matt Stafford, Patrick Mahomes, Eli Manning
RB - Melvin Gordon, Jerick McKinnon, Tarik Cohen, CJ Anderson, Matt Breida
WR - AJ Green, Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Michael Crabtree, Kelvin Benjamin, Cam Meredith, Donte Moncrief
TE - Jimmy Graham, Jack Doyle
K - Will Lutz
D - Broncos, Chiefs

Practice Squad - Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Devontae Booker, David Njoku

It's a PPR league and which also has the option to start a Run N Shoot (1 RB, 3 WR). Other teams can bid on our practice squad players but they would give up their first round rookie pick from the following season.

Spent a ton of resources and made a lot of trades but overall happy with the end product.
Watson before Brown  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 12:29 pm : link
No way.

He still has a lot to prove.
RE: Where are you taking  
NYG27 : 6/12/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13989328 giantsfan44ab said:
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Saquon?


Most early PPR Drafts I've seen, Barkley has gone anywhere from 4th overall to 7th. Haven't seen him drop further unless it was a Standard Scoring League.
RE: Watson before Brown  
NYG27 : 6/12/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13989377 dep026 said:
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No way.

He still has a lot to prove.


I agree, so much talent at QB this year, it might be worth it to wait a bit to select a QB.

Plus all this Watson hype is reminding me a lot of 2013 when RG3 was getting selected very high based on his excellent rookie season.

While I think Watson is light years better than RG3, I want to see him do it again this year before I start investing premium draft positions on him.
RE: These Qbs have a realistic chance at 25 TDs combined at least  
djm : 6/12/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13989340 dep026 said:
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Brady
Watson
Wentz
Ben
Brees
Rivers
Mahommes
Wilson
Cousins
Cam
Rodgers
Ryan
Stafford
Goff

Why risk taking one early?


Add Eli to that list cmon dep!!

Seriously, add Eli to that list. Heís a lock for 25 plus if the offense is at least professional and it will be more than that in 2018.
I'm also in the same camp re QB's late  
MadPlaid : 6/12/2018 1:08 pm : link
Most years, it is the wisest strategy to wait on taking a starting QB. Load up on WRs and RBs, then take the best QB option.

Although, last year, we made fun of one team in our league who drafted three QB's, two of them early. Rodgers and Brady. He got Watson late. He came in Second overall. I will never doubt him again. Although, I still won't draft a QB early.
RE: Are we doing another BBI League?  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13989368 leatherneck570 said:
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Only if you promise to use that awful, torturous draft method again.
What are your thoughts on Corey Davis, WR, Tennessee?  
MadPlaid : 6/12/2018 1:12 pm : link
I have him as a 7th round keepable. Is he worth it?
RE: RE: Are we doing another BBI League?  
arcarsenal : 6/12/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13989415 pjcas18 said:
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Only if you promise to use that awful, torturous draft method again.


LOL.

I'm in again this year if you guys want to run it back. Hopefully there won't be any Super Bowl hangover for me.
I too would like to do it again.  
Keith : 6/12/2018 1:15 pm : link
Def want to do a live draft, hopefully none of you idiots have a scheduling conflict this year.
Iíll play again  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2018 1:22 pm : link
Iím coming back strong this year goddamnit.

In my life, Iíve played a solid amount of FF. Iíve always been pretty decent at it. Bunch of league wins, almost always competitive, rarely very bad.

And then last year I was complete dogshit. In all 3 of my leagues. Think I was either dead last or second to last in all of them. I could cry about my luck in a couple of spots, but I clearly just had an awful read on things.

Need to bounce back.

I am in  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 1:46 pm : link
And we are not using that shit draft thing again. Better be no sad excuses why you canít makenit either (ahem, softball...).
RE: If your draft spot  
eric2425ny : 6/12/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13989338 WillVAB said:
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Is on the back end Iíd consider doubling up on WR with Julio/Beckham. Seems like both are projected to go late first/early second and I think both are poised for big years.

RB looks to be a lot deeper this year than prior years and the WR pool gets thin pretty quick.


Iím with you on this Will. I am drafting 9 in a 10 team league. I have Beckham as a 14th round keeper going back to his rookie year. If all of those top backs are gone I am going to try to grab Hopkins at 9 and Julio at 12 and wait until rounds 3 and 4 to take RBís (you can start 3 WRís in our league). There are so many rookie RBís this year that I think it is worth the risk. My sleeper pick, sort of since I am in Michigan, is Evan Engram in the fifth because all of these Lions fans around me will probably underestimate him.
I'm in as long as margi's out  
YAJ2112 : 6/12/2018 2:12 pm : link
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We had a quality league,  
Keith : 6/12/2018 2:15 pm : link
but I'd prefer to only have guys that are active on bbi. I didn't like having a few people that didn't post on bbi, it was hard to get answers on certain things. Plus the in season sh*t talk was lame without dep on bbi to mock.
I dont get why ppl wait on qb  
Mr. Nickels : 6/12/2018 2:18 pm : link
Whenever Brady is available I take him instead of some bust wr or rb.
RE: Iíll play again  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13989426 bigbluehoya said:
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Iím coming back strong this year goddamnit.

In my life, Iíve played a solid amount of FF. Iíve always been pretty decent at it. Bunch of league wins, almost always competitive, rarely very bad.

And then last year I was complete dogshit. In all 3 of my leagues. Think I was either dead last or second to last in all of them. I could cry about my luck in a couple of spots, but I clearly just had an awful read on things.

Need to bounce back.


I wonder this past year how draft spot correlated to league success. In one league I picked 3rd, got Antonio Brown in the 1st and Gurley in the 2nd, and won the league.

In the BBI league I picked 9th and took CJ Anderson and Jordy Nelson and I forget where I finished, out of the playoffs though.

My keeper league I lost in the finals, but that's different.

Of course draft isn't all of it, luck and waiver wire contribute, and I could easily have taken different players in those spots, but at the time, they were rated right where I took them.
I am a fantasy football  
nygnyy274 : 6/12/2018 2:21 pm : link
Nut. I do like 10 leagues.. I am really interested to see where barkley goes Iíve alreay done mocks where heís going first overall. Iím still taking Bell over him
RE: We had a quality league,  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13989497 Keith said:
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but I'd prefer to only have guys that are active on bbi. I didn't like having a few people that didn't post on bbi, it was hard to get answers on certain things. Plus the in season sh*t talk was lame without dep on bbi to mock.


You ruined the draft because of some slow pitch, mix-couple, softball league where Arc's sister was the MVP of the league.

Thats enough out of you.
RE: I'm in as long as margi's out  
MadPlaid : 6/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13989490 YAJ2112 said:
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Are you serious? Not challenging you, just honestly curious why you feel that way? If you feel that way
RE: RE: If your draft spot  
WillVAB : 6/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13989487 eric2425ny said:
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Is on the back end Iíd consider doubling up on WR with Julio/Beckham. Seems like both are projected to go late first/early second and I think both are poised for big years.

RB looks to be a lot deeper this year than prior years and the WR pool gets thin pretty quick.



Iím with you on this Will. I am drafting 9 in a 10 team league. I have Beckham as a 14th round keeper going back to his rookie year. If all of those top backs are gone I am going to try to grab Hopkins at 9 and Julio at 12 and wait until rounds 3 and 4 to take RBís (you can start 3 WRís in our league). There are so many rookie RBís this year that I think it is worth the risk. My sleeper pick, sort of since I am in Michigan, is Evan Engram in the fifth because all of these Lions fans around me will probably underestimate him.


Thatís what I would do too if I were you. Then you just hammer a bunch of mid/late round picks on RBs and hope two pan out. Thereís plenty of young RBs projected to get a lot of volume that are ranked lower than they should be. Plus since everyone else will load up on RBs early, theyíll be looking to fill out their roster with other positions pushing undervalued backs to you.
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Keith : 6/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
1. It's fast pitch softball.
2. No women play.
3. Arc has a sister??!! Sign me up!
4. I offered to auto draft, but my good bbi friends didn't want that. I certainly did not force this email draft, however I was very appreciative that certain people were willing to inconvenience themselves for my benefit. I will never forget those people.
5. I've already forgotten you!
RE: ...  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13989521 Keith said:
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1. It's fast pitch softball.
2. No women play.
3. Arc has a sister??!! Sign me up!
4. I offered to auto draft, but my good bbi friends didn't want that. I certainly did not force this email draft, however I was very appreciative that certain people were willing to inconvenience themselves for my benefit. I will never forget those people.
5. I've already forgotten you!


1. It only looks fast cause you are drunk.
2. They dont play because they are better.
3. I dont know, but she doesnt even play softball.
4. We like you, I still dont know why.
5. You could never forget me, now dont be ridiculous.
RE: RE: I'm in as long as margi's out  
YAJ2112 : 6/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13989519 MadPlaid said:
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Are you serious? Not challenging you, just honestly curious why you feel that way? If you feel that way


There was one participant who failed to pay the league winner. Based on his history here, it should be no shock as to who that was. I know I wasn't surprised in the least.
Time out.  
Keith : 6/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
Really??? Why wasn't I made aware of this? I would have hunted that money down for you dude. That's not ok.
Yeah, I had no idea someone didn't pay  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 3:16 pm : link
at a minimum I would have made him feel bad or publicly humiliated him.
I had no idea either.  
bigbluehoya : 6/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
Thatís bullshit.
Cat's out of the bag  
NYG27 : 6/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
Which BBI member was it?
If there's a bbi league, I'd be game.  
Heisenberg : 6/12/2018 3:29 pm : link
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Will Evan Engram  
Mr. Nickels : 6/12/2018 3:52 pm : link
Be a fantasy bust? Beckham baci and barkley
RE: RE: I would take Deshaun Watson  
allstarjim : 6/12/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13989360 pjcas18 said:
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Before a WR1. If you pair him with a top RB, you are going to give yourself a big chance to win.

The only thing with Watson is you will want a good backup QB. Perhaps Big Ben.

Staying on the QB discussion, I think many are going to be sleeping on Andrew Luck. It definitely is a risk, but he bears watching in preseason. If he's all the way back he could represent huge fantasy value.



So if you pick late 1st and assume Gurley, Bell, Elliott, DJ and Kamara are gone (maybe not 1 - 5, but they're gone), even add in Hunt you take Watson before Brown, Beckham, Jones, Hopkins, etc.?


I would take Saquon Barkley in that spot. I would take Antonio Brown before Watson. That's it.
RE: RE: RE: I'm in as long as margi's out  
MadPlaid : 6/12/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13989569 YAJ2112 said:
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There was one participant who failed to pay the league winner. Based on his history here, it should be no shock as to who that was. I know I wasn't surprised in the least.
Oh, jeez. Are you sure margi didn't pay? I know in the past there was a situation with me, but once I brought it to his attention, he took care of it immediately.

He used to be in my keeper league, but he dropped out due to being in too many other leagues. Also, he never won anything, so I imagine that bugged him. Ha.
Sounds to me like margi didn't pay up.  
Keith : 6/12/2018 4:03 pm : link
That's no bueno and it bothers me that I wasn't able to help out with that. margi needs to make this right and pay YAJ + interest. With interest rates where they were over the past 10 months, he owes $25.08.
RE: Will Evan Engram  
NYG27 : 6/12/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13989621 Mr. Nickels said:
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Be a fantasy bust? Beckham baci and barkley


I love Engram but fantasy wise, he was our top receiver last year with 115 targets. The next closest were Sterling Shepard with 84 targets (in only 11 games) and Roger Lewis with 72 targets.

Odell Beckham when healthy averages over 10+ targets per game and should see between 150-160 range he's gotten the last couple of years.

Shepard played only 11 games last year and saw 84 targets and saw over 100+ targets as a rookie starter.

Now factor in a healthy Odell, Shepard and the addition of Barkley who will see his share of targets, I doubt Engram will see the same 115 targets he saw last year as the #1 option in the passing game. He should be closer to the 80-90+ range and how will that effect his overall numbers in fantasy? We'll find out this year.
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arcarsenal : 6/12/2018 4:09 pm : link
Damn, I didn't know there was a non-payer in our league.

It was such a small entry fee too. Really shitty.

Anyway, I don't have a sister - just because I'm so handsome doesn't mean y'all gotta make up an imaginary female version of me to prey on. Jeez.
If you remember  
leatherneck570 : 6/12/2018 8:21 pm : link
that awful, torturous draft was only implemented because you ladies couldn't agree on a date. It was done out of necessity. It's live draft or nothing this year though, I agree on that one.
Iím in again but I agree  
UConn4523 : 6/12/2018 8:24 pm : link
online draft or bust.
RE: If you remember  
dep026 : 6/12/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13989811 leatherneck570 said:
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that awful, torturous draft was only implemented because you ladies couldn't agree on a date. It was done out of necessity. It's live draft or nothing this year though, I agree on that one.


11 people appeased Keith. And he didnít even buy or give rounds to anyone.
Regarding Barkley...  
EricJ : 6/12/2018 10:03 pm : link
No way I am picking him in the top 10. This is not a knock on the guy. The problem is that you just do not know what this Giants' offense is going to do this year OR what kind of role he will get. Shit, they may even give the goal line touches to Stewart.

For me, your first round pick needs to be a lock to have first round production. I just cannot see risking taking him in the top 10.

I really hope he produces like a top 5 pick because then that is good for the Giants.
Bigger season - Joe Mixon or Josh Gordon?  
TheOtherManning : 6/12/2018 10:19 pm : link
Need to decide between the two for my final keeper spot in a .5ppr league (my other two are Fournette & Gronk).

I feel like both could be in for breakout campaigns.It seems like its been a decade since Gordon put up 1600+ yds but he's still just 27 and flashed at the end of last season. The Brown actually seem to be building a decent offense, too. Mixon is going to get a ton of touches, but how productive will he be with them and is the receiving for real?
My ďfriendsĒ league  
JoeMoney19 : 6/12/2018 10:56 pm : link
requires a weekly write up by the owner of each weekís low score, encapsulating matchup recaps, personal attacks of varying appropriateness and miscellaneous lamentations, with the non-compliance penalty of an additional entry fee to be sacrificed into the prize pool. I highly recommend it.
RE: Bigger season - Joe Mixon or Josh Gordon?  
EricJ : 6/12/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13989900 TheOtherManning said:
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Need to decide between the two for my final keeper spot in a .5ppr league (my other two are Fournette & Gronk).

I feel like both could be in for breakout campaigns.It seems like its been a decade since Gordon put up 1600+ yds but he's still just 27 and flashed at the end of last season. The Brown actually seem to be building a decent offense, too. Mixon is going to get a ton of touches, but how productive will he be with them and is the receiving for real?


Does this mean Josh Gordon came into the league at age 17?

Mixon is going to be the lead back. Gordon is going to be suspended.
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