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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/12/2018 5:52 pm
It's time for the World Cup! The Pannini stickerbook is purchased, New Jersey is starting sports betting the day before, and the Univision guys are resting their voices.

No US, Italy or Holland takes some of the shine off of this particular edition, but it should still be a good tournament especially when you get to the round of 16. As of this morning, the betting favorites are Brazil and Germany, followed by Spain and France. Uruguay is an interesting longshot at anywhere from 25-1/30-1 to win and they are 7-2 to reach the quarters.

I think Spain is my pick right now, but they have the added wrinkle of Real Madrid naming the National Team coach as their next manager.

For resources, both the Totally Football Show and Guardian Football Weekly have full podcast breakdowns of each group.

Enjoy!
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Can't wait  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 6:26 pm : link
This week has been interminable.

I'm more than a little worried about the news from Spain today. If things go even slightly sour on Friday against Portugal it could be a problem. Unlike four years ago, I don't think Spain's group is strong enough to see them eliminated before the knockout. However for different reasons the cross with Group A is littered with potential landmines:

1. Uruguay - rough and tumble and the type of team that gives Spain huge problems
2. Egypt - Salah/Ramos 2
3. Russia - hosts (even if they are generally held as a terrible side)

Any of those can be sticky or worse for Spain if confidence is less than 100%. Friday is absolutely enormous.

Elsewhere, there's some great matches to look for this weekend. Croatia-Nigeria, Peru-Denmark, and Poland-Senegal are three that I am really looking forward to.

Overall for the tournament, teams I like to do well: Uruguay, Colombia

Teams I like to disappoint: Brazil, France



Hey Terps  
JayBinQueens : 6/12/2018 6:34 pm : link
What about Brazil makes you think they'll disappoint? (not questioning your opinion, just don't watch enough soccer).

Also, does anyone give any credence to the refs 'helping' home team Russia out of the round robin?
I’m drinking the Belgium Kool Aid again...  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 6:43 pm : link
They are very talented, but unpredictable. Big fan of De Bruyne and want him to make a world wide splash. Great midfielder.

Will always foot for Argentina because it would be the icing on the cake for the incomparable Messi.



Machine Learning Algorithm says its Germany again  
PatersonPlank : 6/12/2018 6:48 pm : link
However I am rooting for the 3 Lions in an upset.
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I usually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/12/2018 6:52 pm : link
pick chalk. Germany.

It will be interesting to see what horseshit calls Russia gets to advance out of their group.

Could even be worse than South Korea.
RE: Machine Learning Algorithm says its Germany again  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13989750 PatersonPlank said:
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However I am rooting for the 3 Lions in an upset. Link - ( New Window )


Don’t really like them up front. However, if Sané gets time, then he adds a different dimension with his pace.
I can’t watch Germany anymore for fear...  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
Those images of Low last time probing different parts of his body for ungodly smells was unbelievable.
Russia may be so poor that they're beyond the ref's help  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
Supposedly Putin also doesn't care at all about soccer; his victory was getting the World Cup on Russian soil.

As for Brazil, I've got them getting through their group but a few things worry me:

- Tite has been lauded for reducing their reliance on Neymar, but I have to see that to believe it once the bright lights are on. I wonder how much he wants to make up for missing the critical matches of four years ago with the back injury. He is a HUGE ego. And besides that, how fit is he? He's barely played since February.

- Dani Alves's absence through injury has been underreported IMO. He's still the best right fullback in the world, and I'd listen to arguments that he was the best player Brazil had. His replacement is slated to be Fagner from Corinithians, who twice couldn't hack it in Europe. If you believe that a tournament like this exposes weaknesses, this area has a big bullseye on it. If Brazil crosses with Belgium it could be a huge problem given their 3-4-3.

- I don't trust Casemiro to be defensively responsible. He has a tendency to roam forward and get too involved in the final third, which is a problem when Marcelo is your left fullback (in name only...he's a winger). Consider also that Tite appears to be going forward with Coutinho in midfield, and I'd worry about their defensive solidity.

Brazil has a reputation for flair and "the beautiful game", but the keys to their success have been strong central midfielders. Mauro Silva, Dunga, Kleberson...fierce guys that allowed creative players to be free. I don't think Casemiro is in their class.

Like I said I've got them getting out of the group, but I wonder if a defensively organized side like Sweden or a team with three at the back (Mexico) could give them problems in the first elimination match.
if the US/Canada/Mexico  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/12/2018 7:03 pm : link
get the 2026 World Cup, will all three countries get automatic bids?
RE: if the US/Canada/Mexico  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13989760 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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get the 2026 World Cup, will all three countries get automatic bids?


I believe so. I think the tournament is supposed to expand (48 teams?).
Any votes for best kit?  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 7:25 pm : link
I think I might go with Peru...

I think France will disappoint but then again in 2016  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/12/2018 7:49 pm : link
They really didn't play well (they beat Iceland and an exhausted Germany) and made it to the Final through Griezmann. They can do it again, but they need to solve the Pogba problem, and playing Kante and Matuidi ain't it.

The Nigerian kits are apparently selling in droves.
If I were Deschamps I would have left Pogba at home  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 7:54 pm : link
He's got all the talent in the world but if the game isn't completely built through him he is a negative force. Enough of trying to make him happy...there's more than enough talent on that team to win the tournament without him.
related coaching notes:  
UESBLUE : 6/12/2018 7:58 pm : link
Spain coach Julen Lopetegui will take over as Real Madrid boss after the World Cup. Will this cause any distraction? As well a now unemployed Zidane is breathing down Didier Deschamps neck for France skipper if they disappoint...
RE: If I were Deschamps I would have left Pogba at home  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13989794 Go Terps said:
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He's got all the talent in the world but if the game isn't completely built through him he is a negative force. Enough of trying to make him happy...there's more than enough talent on that team to win the tournament without him.


Plus, the Chosen One has mentality beaten him to a pulp.

He may be the most overrated player on earth based on his pay.
RE: Hey Terps  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/12/2018 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13989738 JayBinQueens said:
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What about Brazil makes you think they'll disappoint? (not questioning your opinion, just don't watch enough soccer).

Also, does anyone give any credence to the refs 'helping' home team Russia out of the round robin?


In general, south american teams just don't win the cup in europe. The last team to do it was Brazil in 1953 IIRC.

Also, Brazil infamously disappointed last cup, and that will probably never be forgotten. This year they appear to be loaded though.
only team that has a shot to win it that hasn't been mentioned  
Nitro : 6/12/2018 8:34 pm : link
is Belgium - Hazard, De Bruyne and Lukaku are a world class attack, and they are strong throughout. Always underperformed, and there was controversy because they didn't include Naingolan in the squad, but I like them to make noise.
QuIte understandably  
UESBLUE : 6/12/2018 8:44 pm : link
no gives England any shot but there is a lot of talent on that team and Southgate seems an able mgr. If they can get that us vs them mentality they could make some noise...
I like England but think once they're out of the group Vardy > Kane  
Nitro : 6/12/2018 8:56 pm : link
but it won't happen so they'll bow out at the quarters.
RE: only team that has a shot to win it that hasn't been mentioned  
bw in dc : 6/12/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13989819 Nitro said:
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is Belgium - Hazard, De Bruyne and Lukaku are a world class attack, and they are strong throughout. Always underperformed, and there was controversy because they didn't include Naingolan in the squad, but I like them to make noise.


I mentioned Belgium above.
No confidence in Belgium  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/12/2018 9:55 pm : link
No confidence in their coach. The same thing that happened in the Euros (and almost in 2014 vs USA) will happen again - they can't break down defensive teams and grind out results. They had a cakewalk qualifying group but had real trouble with Greece (their only draw and a late Lukaku winner in the second).
It seems with the USMNT not there  
Deejboy : 6/12/2018 11:07 pm : link
A lot of the U.S. media is cutting back on coverage of the World Cup. You are hearing very little about it compared to 4 years ago. While Fox has basically all but bailed on the WC even though it's their event, surprisingly ESPN is going all out. Without the casual fan, it will be interesting to see the ratings. Soccer is still a niche sport in this country and without that U.S. team draw, the WC is going to take a huge hit.
The World Cup will be fine  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 11:48 pm : link
It would be fine if zero people in the US watched. And unlike in the past anyone in the US could easily access a feed from any other country they wished.

Besides, I'd bet money that soccer is the second most popular sport in this country. It's just that the game has way more options (leagues from all over the world) to follow, so it doesn't show up in ratings and thus wouldn't generate major interest from the networks.
Guardian is saying the 2026 vote looks too close to call right now  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 12:39 am : link
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bw  
Tony in Berlin : 6/13/2018 12:42 am : link
Sane was not nominated for the German team. He failed to make the cut.
Spain sack Lopetegui  
Big Rick in FL : 6/13/2018 6:18 am : link
Two days before their first game. Horrible move by the Spanish FA. This is a way bigger distraction then him taking a job act the World Cup.

Terps - What do you think of Lopetegui as a manager? I don't pay much attention. To Spain, but I like the little I've seen. Also it seems his players love him.

I expect Julen to immediately look for upgrades at Striker, GK and RB.
Spain will be fine  
Sec 103 : 6/13/2018 6:55 am : link
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I got an alert  
bubba0825 : 6/13/2018 7:06 am : link
That the us Canada and Mexico will host 2026
RE: It seems with the USMNT not there  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/13/2018 7:43 am : link
In comment 13989919 Deejboy said:
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A lot of the U.S. media is cutting back on coverage of the World Cup. You are hearing very little about it compared to 4 years ago. While Fox has basically all but bailed on the WC even though it's their event, surprisingly ESPN is going all out. Without the casual fan, it will be interesting to see the ratings. Soccer is still a niche sport in this country and without that U.S. team draw, the WC is going to take a huge hit.


While I agree the buzz is down without the US team, I don't think FOX has bailed on the World Cup considering that Port Authority in NY is draped in FOX World Cup advertising.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 6/13/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13989936 Tony in Berlin said:
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Sane was not nominated for the German team. He failed to make the cut.


Wow. Thanks, Tony.

Anybody else shocked by this?
Official: 2026 coming to North America  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/13/2018 7:53 am : link
80 games - 80!

As for Spain, all goes back to Fiorentino Perez. Egomaniac.
RE: RE: bw  
Big Rick in FL : 6/13/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13989974 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13989936 Tony in Berlin said:


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Sane was not nominated for the German team. He failed to make the cut.



Wow. Thanks, Tony.

Anybody else shocked by this?


I think just about everybody was shocked because of name recognition. If you look at Sane with the German team you wouldn't be. His numbers are not good. I think he has 12 caps for Germany. He hasn't scored a goal and only has 1 assist.
Big Rick..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/13/2018 8:52 am : link
that's an excellent point.

One thing Germany has not been sucked into doing is having guys on the team or keeping guys just for name recognition. They are very astute at roster management. I think it is one of the reasons they are so successful on the Int'l stage.

Even if they don't win it all, I almost always give them a shot because I don't think there has been a more consistent side in world soccer over the past 30 years. They don't always win, but they rarely fail to at least have a decent showing.
Regarding Sané  
Tony in Berlin : 6/13/2018 9:32 am : link
Leaving him behind was IMO the right decision. His "look at me" style of play hasn't really worked in the concept of that team and the way it is put together. And his last few international appearances (vs. Brazil, Austria) were terrible. One could have made similar arguments against Guendogan and Oezil but they've been with the team much longer.

Overall, Germany has a good squad but they seem terribly out of form and that defense is suspect. Hasn't stopped them from advancing in the past. But we'll see.
Tony..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/13/2018 9:51 am : link
one of my fondest football memories was being in Germany for most of Euro Cup 2008. Didn't actually go to any of the games in person due to work commitments, but watched the matches with locals and it was so much fun.

For some reason, the German fans weren't too enthused about their chances. I watched Germany barely squeak by Austria in a bar where I was the only American and the fans at the end were buying me beers and letting me join in on their chants, but it got them to clinch their group.

The first match of the knockout stage was against Portugal and we had a work event set up to watch the match as a company at a local restaurant. Beautiful evening and I think Germany won 3-2. I had never seen such joy before as the Germans really thought their team would lose. Found out that German schnapps is nothing like American schnapps that night!!

I had to go up to Dortmund prior to the next match vs. Turkey and was surprised at the number of Turkish flags and supporters. Germany beat them in a close game and I think came from behind and won it very late. After each Turkish goal, you could hear nearby bars erupt. I landed back in the US the night they lost the final, so I didn't get to see that match.

What many Germans told me is that 2008 was one of the first times since the World War eras where the Germans started showing signs of nationalism. That the flag waving during the tourney was something not very common prior.

I really felt like I was part of that magic - and perhaps that's why I root for Germany.
Terps would be more informed  
Kyle in NY : 6/13/2018 9:54 am : link
but this feels like an overreaction by the Spanish FA. The timing of him taking the job is not great but I'm not sure why it had to lead to his sacking. The core of the team is from Real Madrid as well, why is it a bad thing that he'll be their manager after the tournament?

Not the first time a national manager has had a club job lined up after a major tournament. Conte was announced as Chelsea manager while he was still the Italian manager for the Euros. It didn't happen three days before the tournament was starting, to be fair. But this feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
According to Guillem Balague,  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 10:58 am : link
what really set Rubiales (Spanish FA president) off was that he only found out five minutes before it was made public. Yeah he could have swallowed his pride and kept Lopetegui, but I see where he is coming from too. He's been on the job a month and already Real Madrid is treating the FA like a little brother. And you can argue the distraction had already been caused by the announcement.

It was a scumbag move by Lopetegui and, unsurprisingly, Real Madrid...a shit club with fascist roots that has always taken from the game more than it has given. God I have always fucking hated that club.

My initial thought is obviously that Spain's tournament is probably over before it begins. They should still get through the group, but at this point I wouldn't know what to expect from them at all.
RE: Regarding Sané  
bw in dc : 6/13/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 13990090 Tony in Berlin said:
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Leaving him behind was IMO the right decision. His "look at me" style of play hasn't really worked in the concept of that team and the way it is put together. And his last few international appearances (vs. Brazil, Austria) were terrible. One could have made similar arguments against Guendogan and Oezil but they've been with the team much longer.


I'll defer to you on how the GNT operates. I saw Sane play the last few years for City and he's a real force. That speed and acceleration are terrific in my book. And he never seems to run out of gas.

Ozil, on the other hand, only plays when he cares. And it's anybody's guess when that will be.
RE: According to Guillem Balague,  
Big Rick in FL : 6/13/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13990169 Go Terps said:
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what really set Rubiales (Spanish FA president) off was that he only found out five minutes before it was made public. Yeah he could have swallowed his pride and kept Lopetegui, but I see where he is coming from too. He's been on the job a month and already Real Madrid is treating the FA like a little brother. And you can argue the distraction had already been caused by the announcement.

It was a scumbag move by Lopetegui and, unsurprisingly, Real Madrid...a shit club with fascist roots that has always taken from the game more than it has given. God I have always fucking hated that club.

My initial thought is obviously that Spain's tournament is probably over before it begins. They should still get through the group, but at this point I wouldn't know what to expect from them at all.


Rubiales is a liar. Saying he found out 5 minutes before the announcement. They released a statement yesterday when it was announced.

Spanish Football Federation removed their 1st announcement about Lopetegui signing for Real Madrid from their official website: It said: "The RFEF has been at all times in contact with Real Madrid and the negotiations of our coach with his future team. The RFEF wishes best luck to Julen Lopetegui in his new stage and asks for utmost respect to maintain normality on the National team before their debut vs Portugal"
A scumbag move  
Big Rick in FL : 6/13/2018 2:29 pm : link
By Real Madrid? How? Florentino made the best move for Real Madrid. Which is the team he runs so that's what he should do.

Rubiales is wrong. That's why the players (Madrid & Barca players) fought to keep Lopetegui. Even the guy who ended up getting the job (Hierro) didn't think Lopetegui should be sacked.
RE: If I were Deschamps I would have left Pogba at home  
Kyle in NY : 6/13/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13989794 Go Terps said:
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He's got all the talent in the world but if the game isn't completely built through him he is a negative force. Enough of trying to make him happy...there's more than enough talent on that team to win the tournament without him.


This is a hot take. Not sure I agree, but I do think France needs to change how they setup and rely more heavily on N'Golo Kante. Kante is the type of player who could do all the dirty work to allow Pogba to shine. The kind of player he doesn't have next to him at United.

Now if one of the most expensive footballers in the world needs the right players around him to succeed, then he's probably a bit overrated. I agree there. But he still brings a lot to the table. I'd try him and Kante together in a two man midfield, send Matuidi to the bench, and load up the attack up front.
RE: Any votes for best kit?  
Jon in NYC : 6/13/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13989771 Go Terps said:
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I think I might go with Peru...



I honestly  
Jon in NYC : 6/13/2018 2:44 pm : link
don't feel very confident about anyone in this tournament. Everyone seems to have warts. I would have been most comfortable with Spain, but with the coaching news they're certainly in flux.

If there was a year for Peru, Uruguay, Mexico, Colombia, or someone like that to really make a deep run, I think this could be the year.
Big Rick  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 3:05 pm : link
Florentino could have at least waited until after the Portugal match, at minimum. It's not like Lopetegui was going anywhere.

Real Madrid didn't mind fucking over the national team when they didn't really have to. But they're Real Madrid, so why should they care? Florentino's is and has been a scumbag; the examples of him being one are too many and too well documented to deny.

Good for the RFEF for firing Lopetegui. Have fun dealing with Ronaldo's whining and not being able to find anyone to buy him.
fivethirtyeight  
JayBinQueens : 6/13/2018 3:07 pm : link
just came out with their predictions
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RE: I honestly  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13990484 Jon in NYC said:
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don't feel very confident about anyone in this tournament. Everyone seems to have warts. I would have been most comfortable with Spain, but with the coaching news they're certainly in flux.

If there was a year for Peru, Uruguay, Mexico, Colombia, or someone like that to really make a deep run, I think this could be the year.


I picked Uruguay to win the whole thing in a pool I'm in. They've got the best central defense pairing - Godin is the best CB in the world and his Atletico teammate Jose Maria Gimenez is a rising star. They've got the best strike partnership with Suarez/Cavani. A good goalkeeper in Muslera whose played a million times for them. An improved midfield from previous teams - Betancour from Juve could be really good though he's still young. And their coach is hugely experienced.

Easy group to start, and could be looking at a path of Portugal and France in the first two elimination matches. Winning the whole thing may be too far but I could easily see Uruguay in the semis or the final.
There has to be some back story regarding Lopetegui getting fired.  
giantBCP : 6/13/2018 7:13 pm : link
Why couldn't he just assume the Madrid post after the tournament was over?
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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/13/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13990509 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13990484 Jon in NYC said:


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don't feel very confident about anyone in this tournament. Everyone seems to have warts. I would have been most comfortable with Spain, but with the coaching news they're certainly in flux.

If there was a year for Peru, Uruguay, Mexico, Colombia, or someone like that to really make a deep run, I think this could be the year.



I picked Uruguay to win the whole thing in a pool I'm in. They've got the best central defense pairing - Godin is the best CB in the world and his Atletico teammate Jose Maria Gimenez is a rising star. They've got the best strike partnership with Suarez/Cavani. A good goalkeeper in Muslera whose played a million times for them. An improved midfield from previous teams - Betancour from Juve could be really good though he's still young. And their coach is hugely experienced.

Easy group to start, and could be looking at a path of Portugal and France in the first two elimination matches. Winning the whole thing may be too far but I could easily see Uruguay in the semis or the final.


You're stealing my picks, dude.
RE: There has to be some back story regarding Lopetegui getting fired.  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13990657 giantBCP said:
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Why couldn't he just assume the Madrid post after the tournament was over?


I've been reading/listening to podcasts about this all day. The story from multiple sources has been, as far as I can tell, pretty consistent:

1. Florentino contacted Lopetegui on Friday
2. Lopetegui told Florentino he was interested, and to work it out with his agent (the ubiquitous Jorge Mendes)
3. On Monday Lopetegui agree to take the job
4. 5:40PM Moscow time Rubiales (FA President) is informed
5. 5:45PM Real Madrid publicly announced the hiring
6. Over an hour later the FA releases a statement that sounds positive, then changes it to sound less so
7. Rubiales (in Moscow for the FIFA congress) flies to Krasnodar
8. Wednesday morning Rubiales, Lopetegui, Hierro, and Ramos meet - they try to convince Rubiales to keep Lopetegui
9. Rubiales emerges from the meeting and announces Lopetegui is sacked

Guillem Balague, Sid Lowe, Gab Marcotti, Marca, and AS all reported that, with varying opinions on whether or not Rubiales acted correctly.

Personally I think Rubiales did the right thing. Given the history of Madrid/Barca, Spain could not have a situation where there was speculation that Lopetegui was favoring a Real Madrid player or slighting a Barca player. Even in the likely event that it would be bullshit, just the perception of such behavior could have huge consequences. The situation could be salvageable had Lopetegui taken a job in England or in Italy or something...but Real Madrid? No. The same would have applied had he taken a job at Barcelona.

Further, and I can't say this strongly enough, fuck Florentino Perez and Real Madrid. Their gall and arrogance make Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder look like class acts. This was a move beyond the pale, even for their already pathetic standard. And they deserve the guy they got - I understand that managing Real Madrid could be a once in a lifetime opportunity, but Lopetegui signed an extension to 2020 with Spain 3 weeks ago. You'd think Spain was some kind of joke job instead of a team that's legitimately within the 4 or 5 best teams at this World Cup.

Scumbag move from a club that's been a scumbag since Franco was buying their European titles back in the '50s. Hopefully Hierro (another guy that got fucked by Real Madrid) does a good job and shoves it up their ass.
Correction  
Go Terps : 6/13/2018 7:55 pm : link
4. 5:40PM on TuesdayMoscow time Rubiales (FA President) is informed
5. 5:45PM on Tuesday Real Madrid publicly announced the hiring
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