This has been a hot topic of debate on this board, and amongst Giant fans for some time.
So I decided to research the topic, by getting to the bottom of this, and going back to the original manuscripts from November of 2017 when this all went down.
Here are some direct quotes from John Mara himself,
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"The point was we did not want him on the bench. We wanted him to start the game and play some portion of the game and at some point work the other guys in. Again, it was his decision, which I completely respect, to go with."
"He’s got to play a meaningful part of the game, whether that was half or three quarters or whatever."
"But what I did not expect, and this is my fault, I was probably naïve, I did not expect Eli to react by saying, ‘Go ahead and start the other guys.’ And again, especially after speaking to him today, I completely understand that. But that took me by surprise a little bit and, yeah, maybe I would have handled that a little bit different."
"We’re 2-9. We’re 2-9, okay? I’m embarrassed about that. Nobody’s doing a good job."
"I did, I did have some pause, but then having talked with Jerry about it and accepted the fact that Eli had slept on it overnight and had time to think about it. He and I texted each other, I wanted to talk to him over the phone, but he preferred to do it face to face because I couldn’t get here until today. So yeah, it did give me some pause, but once I realized that he had slept on it overnight and that was his decision, we went ahead with it."
So what did we learn?
While it is true that the Giants benched Eli Manning for the 3rd and 4th quarter, they did not bench him for the 1st and 2nd quarter.
Mara, Reese and management, wanted him starting, they did not want him on the bench, they wanted him keeping his streak alive, and playing a meaningful part of the game.
As Mara said, it was Eli's decision, and he made this decision after sleeping on it all night, this was not a rash decision.
Therefore it was Eli, and Eli Manning alone who willfully benched himself for the 1st half.
It was Eli Manning, who by his own free will and choice ended his own streak.
I believe he let or allowed his emotions to blind him, to the point where his feelings consumed him so intensely that he ended his own streak.
Eli was being paid 21 million dollars, all he had to do was play the first half, let the other guys come in, and none of that media firestorm would have happened.
Mcadoo and Reese would have been let go anyway at the end of the year, and Eli would have kept his steak alive.
But somehow the media, and some of the fanbase has spun this that the Giants are the ones who ended Eli Manning's streak, and that is not the truth.
So down the road, if and when this topic comes up, it was Eli Manning, and Eli alone, who willfully ended his own streak, and benched himself for the first half.
Hope this helps...
As for the fan outburst, it wasn't because they benched Eli as much as the fact that they benched him for GENO SMITH. If the plan was to work Davis Webb into games, there would not have been a backlash (I'm sure a few people would still be upset). If the plan was to have Geno Smith start the first few games but Davis Webb play at the end of these games, with Davis Webb getting more and more playing time until he eventually would play the whole game at the end, then fans would have understood. However, the fact that they didn't activate Davis Webb against the Raiders revealed that McAdoo really wanted to start Geno Smith all along. That's why everyone got upset.
I don't know how clued in Mara was to this plan, but he should have immediately been asking Reese why Davis Webb wasn't activated and put a stop to their stupid plan once it was clear that Webb was never going to be activated.
His issue was that he was getting pulled even in a winning effort. He refused to accept those terms.
Most blame McAdope. He definitely was the instigator. He threw Eli under the bus every chance he could because Eli wasn't mobile enough to run his crappy offense. He wanted a chance to prove it was the player not the system. While one game is not enough evaluation, Geno shit the bed and the fans who were already outraged demanded an explanation. McAdope and Reese were sent to the pit of misery. Dilly Dilly.
What got overlooked is the owners signed off on this. They quickly spun this as "our intentions were mis interpreted." And "we didn't expect Eli to react this way"
I call bullshit. Management (mainly Mara) was weighing the outcomes of everything. With Eli's streak ended, it makes him easier to trade, cut, etc. for the fans. also, had Geno come in an lit it up, they could have kept Eli on the bench and parted ways at the end of the season. Well the outcry against the way they did this was too overwhelming and in most ways it backfired. They did clear the streak hurdle, which still makes it easier to part ways even two years from now.
Bottom line is ownership was to blame for this. They signed off. They could have undone this.
I put this square in the shoulders of the slicked back head coach.
And I am also 100% on board that him, Reese, and Ross were let go ( regardless of the Eli Manning fiasco)
Reese at least deserves respect, it was time to go. The coach who shall remain nameless - glad his “key cahd” doesn’t work anymore
We have 3 days a football to discuss (with mini camp) and you decide to post this shit? You have 6 weeks of dead time for these crappy threads.
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It wasn't. Guy was put in a shit position of keeping his streak alive by playing parts of games? Eli's honor would not allow that tk happen. Ownership, Front office and the coaching staff screwed it all up
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Agreed.
Another point that gets forgotten is Eli knows how hard it is to play the position and had his backups backs. He said if they're going to play, they need reps with the first team in practice and it wouldn't be fair to them to just throw them in unprepared. Make them the starter and give them all the reps they need.
So rather than stop the streak, they offered him a choice which put Eli in a position to decide to keep it going and make it look like he was more interested in the streak and would have made him look petty. It was an embarrassing situation for everyone and Eli was right in saying forget it. If it was known that Eli willingly went along with the plan to keep his streak going, he would have looked like a jerk in a lost season.
The problem, as we said, was McAdoo was seriously convinced Geno was the right man for the job instead of putting Webb out there to see what he could do. McAdoo was more interested in trying to prove the problems were on Eli not him. Mara should have fired him after the Rams game and never got to this point.
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You have no f*cking clue what the "truth" is with this.
Revisiting seven-month-old quotes does not constitute research, nor does it shed any new light.
A twisty one, you are.
So what if it was Geno. The coach was fighting for his job and believed Geno gave him a better chance to win, that s his right
Some make a very big deal of Eli s streak, and it is astonishing. However the last 6 years of that streak was also a lot of bad and losing football. The game is about winning as a team, not individual streaks.
I swear some of you care more about Eli than the team. It s the New York Giants, not New York Eli s.
I m certain I will be labeled an Eli hater, which couldn't be further from the truth.
But there have been other great Giants, including Phil Simms, who Have been benched, cut or traded, without any of the outcry of Eli s benching, or the team "waisting his prime" has elicited.
I don t care that Eli was benched.that seems to put me in the minority, and I wish the team would have held it s ground and eventually given Webb a chance.
I have always been and continue to be a fan and supporter of Eli, but I m a Giants fan first.
So rather than stop the streak, they offered him a choice which put Eli in a position to decide to keep it going and make it look like he was more interested in the streak and would have made him look petty. It was an embarrassing situation for everyone and Eli was right in saying forget it. If it was known that Eli willingly went along with the plan to keep his streak going, he would have looked like a jerk in a lost season.
The problem, as we said, was McAdoo was seriously convinced Geno was the right man for the job instead of putting Webb out there to see what he could do. McAdoo was more interested in trying to prove the problems were on Eli not him. Mara should have fired him after the Rams game and never got to this point.
Well said. McAdoo (and Reese) knew that Webb was not ready. They fucking knew it. How did they know it? Because they hadn't been getting him ready. Instead they wanted to prove that Eli was the problem, and not the piss poor offense and head coach (and GM).
They tried to lay all the blame at Eli's feet and it got them fired.
So what if it was Geno. The coach was fighting for his job and believed Geno gave him a better chance to win, that s his right
Some make a very big deal of Eli s streak, and it is astonishing. However the last 6 years of that streak was also a lot of bad and losing football. The game is about winning as a team, not individual streaks.
I swear some of you care more about Eli than the team. It s the New York Giants, not New York Eli s.
I m certain I will be labeled an Eli hater, which couldn't be further from the truth.
But there have been other great Giants, including Phil Simms, who Have been benched, cut or traded, without any of the outcry of Eli s benching, or the team "waisting his prime" has elicited.
I don t care that Eli was benched.that seems to put me in the minority, and I wish the team would have held it s ground and eventually given Webb a chance.
I have always been and continue to be a fan and supporter of Eli, but I m a Giants fan first.
So benching Eli for a guy who had 0.0% chance of being on the team was the right move for the future???
I put this square in the shoulders of the slicked back head coach.
I remember Eli saying he would not play partial games. Well too damn bad. So in a disaster season, had the Giants wanted to see what they had in Webb, Eli would refuse to allow that unless Webb had to play the entire game.
Then McAdoo wanting to save his ass, thought Geno was more likely to run his crappy offense than Webb.
Blame all around including Eli. (And I'm a big Eli fan.)
So rather than stop the streak, they offered him a choice which put Eli in a position to decide to keep it going and make it look like he was more interested in the streak and would have made him look petty. It was an embarrassing situation for everyone and Eli was right in saying forget it. If it was known that Eli willingly went along with the plan to keep his streak going, he would have looked like a jerk in a lost season.
The problem, as we said, was McAdoo was seriously convinced Geno was the right man for the job instead of putting Webb out there to see what he could do. McAdoo was more interested in trying to prove the problems were on Eli not him. Mara should have fired him after the Rams game and never got to this point.
It's up to the coach to develop and try out different QBs after the starter lapses. Geno was one of them, and that's the coach's prerogative. The tape and practice field beared out that Geno should start, and then Webb if things permit. That's how football decisions are professional made, not through this political lens that so many are pushing.
Mara is becoming like Jerry Jones. He was wrong to interfere with the QB evaluation--which he himself ordered--before the coach's evaluation of Geno and Webb completed.
Right now we still don't have an answer as to what was the problem with the offense. Some people say the line, but Vegas doesn't think so
So, all he said was if you feel he doesn't give the team the best chamce to win then go with the guy that does. If McAdoo thought Geno gave them a better shot then treat Geno like the starting QB and let him prepare that way. Imo, a player shouldn't have to say that to a coach. McAdoo was in over his head.
Eli laid out hlw football should be played amd McAdoo amd Reese still decided that Geno was the better chance and benched Manning. McAdoo has no balls and threw this back on Eli. This wasn't a situation of a team blowing us out and another QB getting reps. This was a situation of we could be up by 10 points and then Geno was coming in just because.
Do we all forget that these are football players and in thjs sport you are trained to fight, compete, and never give up? I'd be extremely disappointed in any player that didn't have that instilled in them. They didn't expect Eli to say what he did? Why? I'd expect every player to be unhappy if this conversation happened. But, ultimately, it is every HC's decision for who starts and who doesn't. Any HC that deflects that blame is a fuckin pussy.
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Eli saw it for what it was, an empty gesture from a head coach who, when the chips were down in a season when the only guy left on offense was pretty much Eli, decided to shit on him and essentially blamed him for everything that went wrong with the offense.
So rather than stop the streak, they offered him a choice which put Eli in a position to decide to keep it going and make it look like he was more interested in the streak and would have made him look petty. It was an embarrassing situation for everyone and Eli was right in saying forget it. If it was known that Eli willingly went along with the plan to keep his streak going, he would have looked like a jerk in a lost season.
The problem, as we said, was McAdoo was seriously convinced Geno was the right man for the job instead of putting Webb out there to see what he could do. McAdoo was more interested in trying to prove the problems were on Eli not him. Mara should have fired him after the Rams game and never got to this point.
Well said. McAdoo (and Reese) knew that Webb was not ready. They fucking knew it. How did they know it? Because they hadn't been getting him ready. Instead they wanted to prove that Eli was the problem, and not the piss poor offense and head coach (and GM).
They tried to lay all the blame at Eli's feet and it got them fired.
I don't buy this take.
And I don't think the decision to work in the other QBs was Mac's.
He was asked point blank if it was his decision and he responded twice with "we are on the same page with the decision". "We being Mara, Reese and himself.
That's exactly the right decision.
It doesn't matter how many "fans" want Webb. The winner starts
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This. He arrives at his conclusion beforehand and then "researches" and cherry-picks stats/quotes to frame his conclusion in an effort posed to the rest of us as unbiased reporting. Early this spring, he framed the "Decline of Eli" argument. But coincidentally left out year's stats in between as they didn't support his conclusion.
Many who support the OP are those that have confirmation bias to support their similar conclusion. Those who disagree attempt to debate the fallacies in the hypothesis without changing anyone's position/conclusion. Reading through the OP's threads is an interesting social experiment that the participants don't realize that they are the rats in the experiment.
Not to mention the fact that the player coming in would not have had all of the practice reps with the first team.
Geno Smith received a 80+ PFF grade, so Geno's so-called "terrible" game was graded as Eli's best 2017 game. This means Geno's "worst" is Eli's "best". Following this logic, McAdoo was 100% right to start Geno.
Webb doesn't average a 80+ PFF rating in his first game. First round rookies rarely do, so Webb wouldn't, especially when Webb himself admitted "he was not ready".
Mara deciding to listen to ignorant know-it-all fans on roster decisions is the dumbest decision I've ever seen him make. Mara fired everyone to appease Eli and hatemongers.
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Geno Smith?
Geno Smith received a 80+ PFF grade, so Geno's so-called "terrible" game was graded as Eli's best 2017 game. This means Geno's "worst" is Eli's "best". Following this logic, McAdoo was 100% right to start Geno.
Webb doesn't average a 80+ PFF rating in his first game. First round rookies rarely do, so Webb wouldn't, especially when Webb himself admitted "he was not ready".
Mara deciding to listen to ignorant know-it-all fans on roster decisions is the dumbest decision I've ever seen him make. Mara fired everyone to appease Eli and hatemongers.
lol, 1 TD, 2 turnovers and 200 yards was better than any other game ELi played last year? Great use of logic.
By the way, the Raiders were one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL last year.
At the end of the day the whole thing was handled terribly. They should have just played Eli and started putting Webb in when games were out of reach down the stretch. No discussions with Eli, press conferences, talk about streaks, etc. The team was awful last year, I’m sure Webb would have played at least three or four total quarters on the season in non competitive games.
The Geno thing was the oddest thing I have ever seen, because to me Mcadoo knew he was getting fired, but that shitty decision may affect his chances of ever being a head coach again. Career suicide.
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Thing to do. The team was going no where and the offense stunk.
So what if it was Geno. The coach was fighting for his job and believed Geno gave him a better chance to win, that s his right
Some make a very big deal of Eli s streak, and it is astonishing. However the last 6 years of that streak was also a lot of bad and losing football. The game is about winning as a team, not individual streaks.
I swear some of you care more about Eli than the team. It s the New York Giants, not New York Eli s.
I m certain I will be labeled an Eli hater, which couldn't be further from the truth.
But there have been other great Giants, including Phil Simms, who Have been benched, cut or traded, without any of the outcry of Eli s benching, or the team "waisting his prime" has elicited.
I don t care that Eli was benched.that seems to put me in the minority, and I wish the team would have held it s ground and eventually given Webb a chance.
I have always been and continue to be a fan and supporter of Eli, but I m a Giants fan first.
So benching Eli for a guy who had 0.0% chance of being on the team was the right move for the future???
If Geno plays well, he is on the team in the future. I don't see the logic where Geno isn't on the squad if he's playing well. He was like 26.
Every month, we get some variation of this thread from you, essentially laying blame with Eli alone. The semantics of whether he was benched or benched himself. The assertion that the whole situation lays at Eli's doing.
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[quote]So down the road, if and when this topic comes up, it was Eli Manning, and Eli alone, who willfully ended his own streak, and benched himself for the first half.
Hope this helps...
Fuck man - this is just annoying, ponderous shit. "The truth"?? HA HA HA!
We are about to head into a new season. Geno Smith is gone. Mac is gone. Reese is gone. The starting QB for the New York Giants is Eli Manning. Fucking deal with it.
If Geno plays well, he is on the team in the future. I don't see the logic where Geno isn't on the squad if he's playing well. He was like 26.
Geno isnt on the team because he sucks. And he will be lucky to make the Chargers. Not ONE team in the NFL wanted him as a starter last year or this year. This is fact and got not be disputed.
Just because he got a start he didnt deserve by 2 incompetent people out of football, does not make him the future of anything.
What the fuck is your obsession on this topic?
Every month, we get some variation of this thread from you, essentially laying blame with Eli alone. The semantics of whether he was benched or benched himself. The assertion that the whole situation lays at Eli's doing.
You actually said:
Hope this helps...
Fuck man - this is just annoying, ponderous shit. "The truth"?? HA HA HA!
We are about to head into a new season. Geno Smith is gone. Mac is gone. Reese is gone. The starting QB for the New York Giants is Eli Manning. Fucking deal with it.
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Hi Chris
Hi Doc. How have you been?
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If Geno plays well, he is on the team in the future. I don't see the logic where Geno isn't on the squad if he's playing well. He was like 26.
Geno isnt on the team because he sucks. And he will be lucky to make the Chargers. Not ONE team in the NFL wanted him as a starter last year or this year. This is fact and got not be disputed.
Just because he got a start he didnt deserve by 2 incompetent people out of football, does not make him the future of anything.
Dep, I will give him credit and say if Geno played well then maybe he would have resigned here. However, and this is the big part, if Geno was brought back there is a good chance that we draft a QB and that makes Geno irrelvant anyway.
Most blame McAdope. He definitely was the instigator. He threw Eli under the bus every chance he could because Eli wasn't mobile enough to run his crappy offense. He wanted a chance to prove it was the player not the system. While one game is not enough evaluation, Geno shit the bed and the fans who were already outraged demanded an explanation. McAdope and Reese were sent to the pit of misery. Dilly Dilly.
What got overlooked is the owners signed off on this. They quickly spun this as "our intentions were mis interpreted." And "we didn't expect Eli to react this way"
I call bullshit. Management (mainly Mara) was weighing the outcomes of everything. With Eli's streak ended, it makes him easier to trade, cut, etc. for the fans. also, had Geno come in an lit it up, they could have kept Eli on the bench and parted ways at the end of the season. Well the outcry against the way they did this was too overwhelming and in most ways it backfired. They did clear the streak hurdle, which still makes it easier to part ways even two years from now.
Bottom line is ownership was to blame for this. They signed off. They could have undone this.
I am restraining myself from diving head first in this topic for the zillionth time...but this is largely right. So thanks for posting.
Indeed, Mara is the guy who agreed to pull this trigger. He knew every detail of the plan he hatched with Reese and McAdoo. Anything he says otherwise is a lie.
But when the tidal wave of criticism hit, he slouched away like a coward, and used it as the trip wire to fire McAdoo earlier than intended. Mara needed a fall guy to take the heat off him and Jints Central, so McAdoo was the easy choice.
Dep, I will give him credit and say if Geno played well then maybe he would have resigned here. However, and this is the big part, if Geno was brought back there is a good chance that we draft a QB and that makes Geno irrelvant anyway.
Geno could have started every game to finish the year and he wasnt coming back. He was a FA, so even by playing well - he would have wanted a contract we couldnt afford. Eli was coming back based on salary alone, and Webb would still be here.
Geno Smith was on a 1 year deal to be a backup in case Eli got hurt and we had a chance at the playoffs. Once we were all but eliminated in week 5, he really should have been cut as he served no purpose on the team.
Indeed, Mara is the guy who agreed to pull this trigger. He knew every detail of the plan he hatched with Reese and McAdoo. Anything he says otherwise is a lie.
No he didnt. You have been shown a zillion times that Mara was under the impression that Eli would be pulled once the game was out of hand.
Maybe you should stop worrying about criticizing ownership and learn what is actually transpiring.
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Geno Smith?
Geno Smith received a 80+ PFF grade, so Geno's so-called "terrible" game was graded as Eli's best 2017 game. This means Geno's "worst" is Eli's "best". Following this logic, McAdoo was 100% right to start Geno.
Webb doesn't average a 80+ PFF rating in his first game. First round rookies rarely do, so Webb wouldn't, especially when Webb himself admitted "he was not ready".
Mara deciding to listen to ignorant know-it-all fans on roster decisions is the dumbest decision I've ever seen him make. Mara fired everyone to appease Eli and hatemongers.
lol, 1 TD, 2 turnovers and 200 yards was better than any other game ELi played last year? Great use of logic.
By the way, the Raiders were one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL last year.
Did you watch the game?
The Raiders' pass defense was bad overall against teams with full offensive strength. However our team was playing 2nd and 3rd string receivers, whom Raiders' starters are obviously better than.
So Geno played with a handicapped Giants team. Under heavy pressure he led 2 TD drives (almost 3), and was driving to a 4th in the closing minutes which would have tied things up. The two fumbles aren't Geno's fault. Any QB turns the ball over under such heavy pressure.
Based on the circumstances, PFF agrees with me that Geno played well and that's what got him the 80+ grade. If PFF thought the Raiders' D was so weak, Geno doesn't get that grade.
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Dep, I will give him credit and say if Geno played well then maybe he would have resigned here. However, and this is the big part, if Geno was brought back there is a good chance that we draft a QB and that makes Geno irrelvant anyway.
Geno could have started every game to finish the year and he wasnt coming back. He was a FA, so even by playing well - he would have wanted a contract we couldnt afford. Eli was coming back based on salary alone, and Webb would still be here.
Geno Smith was on a 1 year deal to be a backup in case Eli got hurt and we had a chance at the playoffs. Once we were all but eliminated in week 5, he really should have been cut as he served no purpose on the team.
Reese and McAdoo made the decision over who comes back, and yes they would have re-signed Geno. Geno was not signed as insurance policy if Eli got hurt. The Giants FO never said that. As far as we can see, Geno's purpose on the team was to put pressure on Eli and compete for the job, same as Webb. The 1 year contract was incase things didn't work out (they didn't).
Did you watch the game?
The Raiders' pass defense was bad overall against teams with full offensive strength. However our team was playing 2nd and 3rd string receivers, whom Raiders' starters are obviously better than.
So Geno played with a handicapped Giants team. Under heavy pressure he led 2 TD drives (almost 3), and was driving to a 4th in the closing minutes which would have tied things up. The two fumbles aren't Geno's fault. Any QB turns the ball over under such heavy pressure.
Based on the circumstances, PFF agrees with me that Geno played well and that's what got him the 80+ grade. If PFF thought the Raiders' D was so weak, Geno doesn't get that grade.
So he threw 1 TD pass.... ALMOST threw another (never heard that before). Of course the fumbles arent his fault especially the one inside the 5 where he held it for 3 seconds to long, but thats another story. Oh yeah, did you know he didnt throw a pass deeper than 20 yards? Awesome, huh? His biggest completion was a horrendous throw to Shepard who had to make a spectacular catch (on an easy throw mind you), broke a tackles and went for 60 yards?
Maybe you didnt watch the game. And PFF - thats your basis? The same group who gave Rodgers a negative grade when he threw for 5 TDs and 0 INTs?
200 yards, 1 TD, and 2 turnovers are facts and they are terrible coming against a terrible team.
If his performance was so "great" - you would have figured teams would have lined up to sign him, right?
Reese and McAdoo made the decision over who comes back, and yes they would have re-signed Geno. Geno was not signed as insurance policy if Eli got hurt. The Giants FO never said that. As far as we can see, Geno's purpose on the team was to put pressure on Eli and compete for the job, same as Webb. The 1 year contract was incase things didn't work out (they didn't).
First the John Jerry troll
Next the Orleans Darkwa troll
Now the Geno Smith troll
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First the John Jerry troll
Next the Orleans Darkwa troll
Now the Geno Smith troll
who's next? Handley? That's some weird shit.
So, all he said was if you feel he doesn't give the team the best chamce to win then go with the guy that does. If McAdoo thought Geno gave them a better shot then treat Geno like the starting QB and let him prepare that way. Imo, a player shouldn't have to say that to a coach. McAdoo was in over his head.
Eli laid out hlw football should be played amd McAdoo amd Reese still decided that Geno was the better chance and benched Manning. McAdoo has no balls and threw this back on Eli. This wasn't a situation of a team blowing us out and another QB getting reps. This was a situation of we could be up by 10 points and then Geno was coming in just because.
Do we all forget that these are football players and in thjs sport you are trained to fight, compete, and never give up? I'd be extremely disappointed in any player that didn't have that instilled in them. They didn't expect Eli to say what he did? Why? I'd expect every player to be unhappy if this conversation happened. But, ultimately, it is every HC's decision for who starts and who doesn't. Any HC that deflects that blame is a fuckin pussy.
Exactly.
Can anybody give me a prior precedent where a QB was only going to play the half of a game for the rest of a season, predetermined whether winning or losing, in order to play other guys?
I've always thought the game as it was played dictated the situation. As in you work in younger players when the game is out of hand one way or the other. This is how they play it all the way down to the pee wee level.
Not a predetermined time set before the game is ever played.
The whole idea was half cocked from the get go, and a perfect example of how incompetent McAdoo was.
But we have a handful of guys on BBI, Giants fans no less, that want to still blame it on Eli.
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came out and blasted Mara, Reese, and McAdoo while supporting Eli Manning and his decision.... Players from our rivals, former great Giants, talking heads, other coaches, and guys from other sports....
But we have a handful of guys on BBI, Giants fans no less, that want to still blame it on Eli.
It was one of the few sports topics almost everyone was united on. The fact that the biggest debate and attempt to throw the blame at eli is being done by supposed Giants fans is just comical.
Not only that, but several of the putzes think that in order to save face, we kept eli as the QB under some master orders from the owner! The same owner often called clueless by those posters.
A sh-t team is a sh-t team. You could pick any number of guys back there and there would have been similar results.
It's not an indictment on Manning, it's an indictment on the roster and coaching.
Eli Manning is going to make a lot of you eat your words this upcoming season. I hope you come back to eat your gigantic plate of crow and not run and hide or backtrack on your very strong and definitive hot takes.
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Britt in VA : 8:55 am : link : reply
came out and blasted Mara, Reese, and McAdoo while supporting Eli Manning and his decision.... Players from our rivals, former great Giants, talking heads, other coaches, and guys from other sports....
But we have a handful of guys on BBI, Giants fans no less, that want to still blame it on Eli.
It was one of the few sports topics almost everyone was united on. The fact that the biggest debate and attempt to throw the blame at eli is being done by supposed Giants fans is just comical.
Not only that, but several of the putzes think that in order to save face, we kept eli as the QB under some master orders from the owner! The same owner often called clueless by those posters.
If it was trolling, I would have a good laugh at the reactions, but it's not trolling.
These guys really believe it.
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Did you watch the game?
The Raiders' pass defense was bad overall against teams with full offensive strength. However our team was playing 2nd and 3rd string receivers, whom Raiders' starters are obviously better than.
So Geno played with a handicapped Giants team. Under heavy pressure he led 2 TD drives (almost 3), and was driving to a 4th in the closing minutes which would have tied things up. The two fumbles aren't Geno's fault. Any QB turns the ball over under such heavy pressure.
Based on the circumstances, PFF agrees with me that Geno played well and that's what got him the 80+ grade. If PFF thought the Raiders' D was so weak, Geno doesn't get that grade.
So he threw 1 TD pass.... ALMOST threw another (never heard that before). Of course the fumbles arent his fault especially the one inside the 5 where he held it for 3 seconds to long, but thats another story. Oh yeah, did you know he didnt throw a pass deeper than 20 yards? Awesome, huh? His biggest completion was a horrendous throw to Shepard who had to make a spectacular catch (on an easy throw mind you), broke a tackles and went for 60 yards?
Maybe you didnt watch the game. And PFF - thats your basis? The same group who gave Rodgers a negative grade when he threw for 5 TDs and 0 INTs?
200 yards, 1 TD, and 2 turnovers are facts and they are terrible coming against a terrible team.
If his performance was so "great" - you would have figured teams would have lined up to sign him, right?
Context matters. Rodger's game was unusually full of screen passes, what kind of grade does he deserve for that? In the end, Rodgers' game was top of the league, so it evened out. You can't use an exception game to say invalidate all PFF grades.
Geno led 2 TD drives, one where he threw the TD himself and another drive where he marched the team down the field to punch it in. On the fumble, Geno led us into the red zone. You can't blame the fumble on him entirely because he was under heavy pressure all game and fumbles are bound to happen in that hostile environment. The line wasn't blocking until Pugh came into the game and silenced Mack. Later, Geno was leading a good drive until a fumble, and he had a good late drive after that.
As far as pass depth is concerned, let me explain NFL QB'ing to you. Geno's short pass depth comes from his getting the ball out quickly in response to a bad line. We saw Geno throw farther to Shepperd when his line solidified.
Eli last year had terrible pass depth for the same reason as Geno - and I've never heard you criticize Eli for it. This kind of bias and myopia is why talking football with some of you is like discussing religion with heretics.
NFL GMs and coaches make bad QB decisions all the time. There are a couple next season who will get fired for choosing the wrong QB. So your argument that "why wasn't Geno signed as starter???" is bunk on that basis alone. I bet you said the same about Pugh, who signed a humungous contract. Not bad for a terrible guard, right?