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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/13/2018 4:52 pm
RB Saquon Barkley
June 13, 2018

Q: Where do you feel that you have grown the most in the last few weeks?
A: Playbook. Understanding the playbook. Continuing to hop on that and to get better at that. There is always room for improvement on anything. Playbook is definitely something that I feel like I am getting more comfortable with. I am seeing the field a lot differently. Understanding where I have to be in my pass concepts. Obviously, not having pads on, but understanding your landmark as a running back position. Watching film on other backs and try to take stuff from their game and add it to mine.

Q: Are there a lot more huddle adjustments?
A: A lot more in the NFL than there was in college. It was kind of, I wouldnít say basic in college but it is more difficult in the NFL. That is what I mean when I think I have come along way with the playbook. I know where I need to go. The concept is football is football but hearing Eli changing plays and hearing him sliding protections can get me too much but understanding that and knowing where I need to be is where I feel I will continue to grow and get better at.

Q: What are you going to do this break for a couple of weeks?
A: My twin brother and sister, my sister is having her sweet 16 and my brother is tied in with that. So I will go home for a little bit for that. I will then be training. I am thinking LA or Florida or a mixture of both.†

Q: Snacks said yesterday he canít wait to get the pads on and get you. What is your response to that?
A: My response to that is I am happy we are on the same team. He only gets to hit me maybe once or twice a year rather than a full game. Snacks is arguably one of the best defensive lineman in the NFL. I definitely have a lot of respect for him and how he carries himself as a vet. You could just watch him on the field. I am going to say I am going to run away from that. I am happy he is on my team and my side.

Q: Are you sure that is what you want to say?
A: Positive.

Q: I thought you said you could run him over?
A: I donít know anyone in this league that could run over Snacks. His name is Snacks for a reason. Just happy he is on my team and fortunate that I get to play with him.

Q: Have you dropped any passes since youíve been here?
A: I did. I dropped one. That is something that I pride myself on. You come out here every single day and you want to be perfect. When I mean perfect, I donít mean a perfect player, but you want to go through practice without drops. Sometimes it reassures you that you have to get back on the jugs and catching after practice. There is a ball that I caught 100 times and I dropped it because I was trying to turn up field instead of securing the catch. I kind of worked on that after and it has not happened since. That is just a part of the game. I hate making mistakes but I love making mistakes. I love having MAís (missed assignments) and drops. It reassures you and makes you get back on your grind, lock in and focus a little more. It is better to happen now and in practice than in week one against Jacksonville or preseason against the Browns.

Q: Do you remember the details of the drop more than the catches?
A: Yes. It was an angle route. I looked up before I secured the catch, tried to go and score and didnít lock it in. You have to lock it in and move onto the next play.

Q: Anything surprise you the most about this experience?
A: The thing that surprised me the most was how welcoming the vets are and all the players. I heard a lot from college guys that you are never going to get what you have in a college locker room. You hear that in college and in high school. Then, you get to the NFL, the vets, not just the vets, but everyone besides the rookies. I donít care of it is one year, 20 years, they are all so cool. They are a family and all welcoming. I am pretty sure and I really believe that if I ever need anything, I can call any of them. Whether it is Odell or OV that I only go against. That is what surprised me and it is shocking. I am just happy that I have that environment, not only myself but all the rookies. To be able to have that, come into this locker room and have that team, it is special. It is bigger than what people actually think. It is not only on the field, but the chemistry in the locker room. I think the chemistry we have in the locker room is really good.

Q: What have you learned about being a Giant?
A: Two things. The first is the tradition here. The history, legacy and all the great players. Being able to go to the softball game and seeing all the running backs. The Tikiís (Barber) and the (Rodney) Hamptonís of the world and to be able to meet them. You heard about the Giants growing up. I was a Jets fan growing up but you heard that and I knew of the Giants but I was across the river. You knew and learned how special this place is when you walk in the building. It hits you when you walk in this place, play on this team and put on this jersey. The second one was New York and being recognized more. At State College, it is like itís own little city. It is a small city. Then, in New York, you walk around and people know you. It is not like, Ďwow they know me, I have fameφ but it is like people notice you and what you are doing. I have not played a down of football yet so I am just handling myself. That is credit to my mother and father and my family and how they raised me. Hopefully I could continue to do the right things.

Q: What is it that makes a good running back?
A: I think it is instinct. Actually breaking down film and watching the David Johnsonís and LeíVeon Bellís, instinct is one thing, but also what Stew (Jonathan Stewart) has been teaching me, it is how to set up your blocks. For me, I did it so natural in college that I didnít even notice I was doing it. Now, understanding and seeing the play before it develops and seeing the linebacker overflowing, that is how you set up cutback lanes. A guy who does it the best is LeíVeon Bell. I was watching him this morning and how he was picking up blocks. I think you have to be versatile as a running back. Catch the ball in the backfield and be able to block. Be able to run in between tackles and outside of tackles. If you really think if the three backs, the top five backs, that is what they are able to do. They block, catch the ball in the backfield and are able to run the ball. Just the way they set up their blocks. That is what it takes to be a top back in the NFL.

Q: When you sit at lunch with Odell do you allow yourself to dream and discuss about what the offense can be?
A: Yes. We talked about that before I even came here. We talked this into existence and became really good friends. He has been a great mentor to me along with all the vets. The proof is in the pudding. We know with Eli, Sterling Shep, E, all the receivers, the new additions to the line. We know the talent is there across the board. We really donít dream about it right now because every team is talented in the NFL. The only thing I talked to him about is just asking for advice and checking on him. Asking what his body feels like coming back from injury. That is the only thing we really talk about.
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Diver_Down : 6/13/2018 7:00 pm : link
Our beat reporters are a disgrace. They are jackals.
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Q: Are you sure that is what you want to say?
A: Positive.

Q: I thought you said you could run him over?


Implying a fallacy just to get a sound byte.
Barkley was a Jet fan growing up?  
PatersonPlank : 6/13/2018 7:23 pm : link
and we still drafted him?
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santacruzom : 6/13/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13990654 Diver_Down said:
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Our beat reporters are a disgrace. They are jackals.


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Q: Are you sure that is what you want to say?
A: Positive.

Q: I thought you said you could run him over?



Implying a fallacy just to get a sound byte.


I haven't heard the audio, but I have to think there was a bit of fun being had there.
Amazing kid  
Phil in LA : 6/14/2018 12:57 am : link
To go with being the best RB prospect Iíve ever seen.
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Jim in Tampa : 6/14/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 13990654 Diver_Down said:
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Our beat reporters are a disgrace. They are jackals.


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Q: Are you sure that is what you want to say?
A: Positive.

Q: I thought you said you could run him over?



Implying a fallacy just to get a sound byte.


It was a joke. Barkley and the other reporters were laughing during the whole exchange.


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This kid really is the complete package.  
antdog24 : 6/14/2018 8:47 am : link
Maybe he can take Odell under his wing and teach him some humility. (tongue in cheek obviously)
Really happy to read his comments about  
mfsd : 6/14/2018 9:01 am : link
how good the locker room has been
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2018 10:22 am : link
Still amazes me that so many Giants fans were against this pick.

Saquon is such a bright kid - he's humble, he's oozing with talent, and he's going to be one of the most exciting players to watch in this sport.

The prospect of he, Odell, Engram, and Shepard all on the field together is fucking exciting. If this revamped line can protect #10, I think he'll prove he can still play at a pretty high level. He's in a MUCH better position to succeed now than he has been in recent years.
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Jim in Tampa : 6/14/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13990977 arcarsenal said:
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Still amazes me that so many Giants fans were against this pick.

Saquon is such a bright kid - he's humble, he's oozing with talent, and he's going to be one of the most exciting players to watch in this sport.

The prospect of he, Odell, Engram, and Shepard all on the field together is fucking exciting. If this revamped line can protect #10, I think he'll prove he can still play at a pretty high level. He's in a MUCH better position to succeed now than he has been in recent years.


You've mentioned this before. (I guess you really are amazed ;>)

I think there were only a handful of posters who were actually "against" this pick.

There were of course a number of posters (like myself) who preferred a QB and others who wanted to trade down, but I wouldn't consider all posters who thought the Giants should go a different direction with the 2nd overall pick as being "against" the Barkley pick.

Again, I wanted a QB, but I'm certainly excited to see Barkley play.
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13991074 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13990977 arcarsenal said:


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Still amazes me that so many Giants fans were against this pick.

Saquon is such a bright kid - he's humble, he's oozing with talent, and he's going to be one of the most exciting players to watch in this sport.

The prospect of he, Odell, Engram, and Shepard all on the field together is fucking exciting. If this revamped line can protect #10, I think he'll prove he can still play at a pretty high level. He's in a MUCH better position to succeed now than he has been in recent years.



You've mentioned this before. (I guess you really are amazed ;>)

I think there were only a handful of posters who were actually "against" this pick.

There were of course a number of posters (like myself) who preferred a QB and others who wanted to trade down, but I wouldn't consider all posters who thought the Giants should go a different direction with the 2nd overall pick as being "against" the Barkley pick.

Again, I wanted a QB, but I'm certainly excited to see Barkley play.


LOL, go back to the draft thread and tell me that again.

There were PLENTY of people against drafting a RB.
It's Semantics  
Jim in Tampa : 6/14/2018 11:42 am : link
You think that posters who preferred the Giants take another player = being against the Barkley pick, and I just think it means that they wanted another player.

In any case, we're all rooting for him now.
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2018 11:46 am : link
No, I think there were posters who were actually against drafting Barkley because they said they were.

And some of those people will probably prefer to be right than see Barkley succeed - which is the bizarre part.

To each their own, though. I'm excited and looking forward to watching him.
Sometimes I feel like he's a little too good to be true.  
Brown Recluse : 6/14/2018 11:48 am : link
Perfect physical attributes. Perfect personality and demeanor.

This is just not allowed to exist. :)

So thrillled with this draft pick.  
Beezer : 6/14/2018 12:32 pm : link
And Hernandez, too? Good stuff.

But as far as "to good t be true," I think being a Mets fan, I'm always a little skittish, worrying we'll hear he tweaked this or that.

What fun we're going to have as fans if everything stays in this kid's direction.

There were many..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2018 1:44 pm : link
posters, including a couple who started multiple threads, who tried to detail using advanced analytics on why picking any RB was a bad decision.

A couple of them even laughably suggested that even if Barkley was successful and the QB failed, picking the QB is the right decision. Not just the right decision, but if you thought otherwise, you were berated for not understanding advanced metrics, draft value or math.

There are still a few people who have the stance that even if Barkley becomes wildly successful that if ANY of the QB's drafted behind him are also successful, the Giants missed on the pick.

There were most definitely a lot of people who disliked the pick of Barkley, and the most fascinating part about it was that it isn't that they necessarily disliked Barkley for any reason other than he was a RB.

When logic is used that "even if Barkley is very successful in his career he is still a terrible pick", then logic fucked up somewhere along the way. And that type of argumentation was just posted the other day, so thinking everyone is rooting for Barkley is likely untrue.
Barkley may have been almost a selfish pick from my pov  
djm : 6/14/2018 10:14 pm : link
Pick 2 was virtually foolproof... thereís nothing wrong with picking a guy like Barkley over a qb. Heís as close to perfect as any prospect before or after him. And honestly after what we sat through in 2017 whatís wrong with wanting Barkley in blue? How a fan could summon up so much angst and hate towards a pick like this is just weird to me. Fine you want a long term qb. I do too. But cmon look at this kid! Sports are supposed to be a fun distraction. We just drafted a cheat code. Enjoy it.
RE: There were many..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/14/2018 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13991212 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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When logic is used that "even if Barkley is very successful in his career he is still a terrible pick", then logic fucked up somewhere along the way. And that type of argumentation was just posted the other day, so thinking everyone is rooting for Barkley is likely untrue.


There were plenty of bad arguments, but most of them started out of bad faith because people had already formed unmovable opinions that none of the available QBs were any good.
This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2018 10:43 pm : link
is a strange take:

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There were plenty of bad arguments, but most of them started out of bad faith because people had already formed unmovable opinions that none of the available QBs were any good.


there were very few arguments in favor of taking Barkley. Most of them were centered around the premise that Eli Manning is no longer a serviceable QB and we need to take his replacement now.

I find it hard to believe there were bad arguments started out of bad faith when most of the vocal people were saying we had to take a QB no matter what. If they were screaming that thinking none of the QB's weren't any good, then they were even more idiotic than they were sounding.
Before the draft  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 11:11 pm : link
I had 2 wishes. One being that the Giants would not draft a guard with the 2nd pick. The other was that being Eli is 37, I wanted them to draft the next franchise QB. But I knew that I did not know how to properly grade a QB prospect. I really trusted the Giants, Gettleman & Shurmur.

Once I found out Barkley was the pick, letting Darnold go to the Jets, Rosen to the Cards, I knew they decided that none of these guys were worth taking at #2.
IMO, they really took the highest rated player on their boards regardless of analytics. So happy to have Mr. Barkley on our team.

And it still amazes me how many Giants fans can't believe  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 12:20 am : link
that QB may still have been the smart way to go. Barkley is great to have, and we'll all see how this plays out for the team.

But enough with this sanctimonious crap...
RE: There were many..  
Brown Recluse : 6/15/2018 8:16 am : link
In comment 13991212 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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posters, including a couple who started multiple threads, who tried to detail using advanced analytics on why picking any RB was a bad decision.

A couple of them even laughably suggested that even if Barkley was successful and the QB failed, picking the QB is the right decision. Not just the right decision, but if you thought otherwise, you were berated for not understanding advanced metrics, draft value or math.

There are still a few people who have the stance that even if Barkley becomes wildly successful that if ANY of the QB's drafted behind him are also successful, the Giants missed on the pick.

There were most definitely a lot of people who disliked the pick of Barkley, and the most fascinating part about it was that it isn't that they necessarily disliked Barkley for any reason other than he was a RB.

When logic is used that "even if Barkley is very successful in his career he is still a terrible pick", then logic fucked up somewhere along the way. And that type of argumentation was just posted the other day, so thinking everyone is rooting for Barkley is likely untrue.


This past April was without a doubt one of the most insufferable moments in BBI history.
This is exactly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 8:29 am : link
what part of the problem was in the lead up to the draft and post draft:

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And it still amazes me how many Giants fans can't believe
Jimmy Googs : 12:20 am : link : reply
that QB may still have been the smart way to go.


A lot of posters thought picking a QB was the smart way to go. But we picked Barkley. That doesn't make it wrong that we picked Barkley.

When people say things like "even if Barkley is great, if a QB we passed on is good too, it was the wrong pick" it is laughable.

We chose to pick the player that was rated the number 1 player by most analysts. QB might have been a reasonable pick to make, but to say taking the top player is a mistake doesn't have any logical reasoning behind it. Picking a QB wouldn't have been a "bad" pick either.

Basically picking Barkley just gave yet another platform for people who either dislike Eli or want to throw in the term "Jints Central" on every thread to shout loudly that the Giants suck.
RE: RE: There were many..  
mfsd : 6/15/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 13991702 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13991212 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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posters, including a couple who started multiple threads, who tried to detail using advanced analytics on why picking any RB was a bad decision.

A couple of them even laughably suggested that even if Barkley was successful and the QB failed, picking the QB is the right decision. Not just the right decision, but if you thought otherwise, you were berated for not understanding advanced metrics, draft value or math.

There are still a few people who have the stance that even if Barkley becomes wildly successful that if ANY of the QB's drafted behind him are also successful, the Giants missed on the pick.

There were most definitely a lot of people who disliked the pick of Barkley, and the most fascinating part about it was that it isn't that they necessarily disliked Barkley for any reason other than he was a RB.

When logic is used that "even if Barkley is very successful in his career he is still a terrible pick", then logic fucked up somewhere along the way. And that type of argumentation was just posted the other day, so thinking everyone is rooting for Barkley is likely untrue.



This past April was without a doubt one of the most insufferable moments in BBI history.


Agreed. I was leaning QB, for all the reasons debated as nauseum, but couldnít be more excited about Barkley.

But the number of posters who completely lost their fucking minds over the pick was insane. Weíre all entitled to our opinions as fans and reasonable people can disagree, but there are plenty of posters who acted like insufferable babies about it.

Iím sure the Barkley pick thread is archived somewhere, it was a complete shit show.

RE: This is exactly..  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13991704 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what part of the problem was in the lead up to the draft and post draft:



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And it still amazes me how many Giants fans can't believe
Jimmy Googs : 12:20 am : link : reply
that QB may still have been the smart way to go.



A lot of posters thought picking a QB was the smart way to go. But we picked Barkley. That doesn't make it wrong that we picked Barkley.

When people say things like "even if Barkley is great, if a QB we passed on is good too, it was the wrong pick" it is laughable.

We chose to pick the player that was rated the number 1 player by most analysts. QB might have been a reasonable pick to make, but to say taking the top player is a mistake doesn't have any logical reasoning behind it. Picking a QB wouldn't have been a "bad" pick either.

Basically picking Barkley just gave yet another platform for people who either dislike Eli or want to throw in the term "Jints Central" on every thread to shout loudly that the Giants suck.


Actually there is no problem. Fans have opinions but posters on here pick up words just to pick on. Generally talking past each other endlessly.

Just like you chose to select some words in my post without showing the comment on Barkley.

Typical...
RE: This..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 13991623 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is a strange take:



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There were plenty of bad arguments, but most of them started out of bad faith because people had already formed unmovable opinions that none of the available QBs were any good.



there were very few arguments in favor of taking Barkley. Most of them were centered around the premise that Eli Manning is no longer a serviceable QB and we need to take his replacement now.

I find it hard to believe there were bad arguments started out of bad faith when most of the vocal people were saying we had to take a QB no matter what. If they were screaming that thinking none of the QB's weren't any good, then they were even more idiotic than they were sounding.


I can't recall too many Barkley-specific arguments, but certainly many "No QB" ones. Some insisted that it was impossible to accurately determine that Eli's play was declining because of the roster and the situation last year. Others were adamant about finding ways to argue that none of these QBs were worth the pick, either for personality, a perceived lack of winning at the college level, or the fear that one of them was going to get hit too hard and retire immediately. Plenty of dumb to go around.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/15/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13990977 arcarsenal said:
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Still amazes me that so many Giants fans were against this pick.

Saquon is such a bright kid - he's humble, he's oozing with talent, and he's going to be one of the most exciting players to watch in this sport.

The prospect of he, Odell, Engram, and Shepard all on the field together is fucking exciting. If this revamped line can protect #10, I think he'll prove he can still play at a pretty high level. He's in a MUCH better position to succeed now than he has been in recent years.


Eli's got plenty of toys to play with. I'm really excited to see how good this offense can be.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2018 12:39 pm : link
LOL, I guess my comment really bugged a few of you.

Sanctimonious? FOH.

The bottom line is that regardless of who you wanted at draft time, there are a lot of things to really like about Saquon and the argument of who we should have taken or could have taken are now entirely moot.

Sorry if it annoys some of you guys that I had a hard time understanding what was so undesirable about picking this player. He's tremendous in every single area and is one of the most exciting prospects I can recall.

Preferring a QB was fine, it was the being gung ho against the RB simply because he's a RB was just head-scratching to me. And yeah, it does still "amaze" me a bit - since that seemed to be the trigger word for a couple of you grumpy assholes. :)
We picked the consensus best player in the draft....  
Britt in VA : 6/15/2018 12:46 pm : link
after the new front office and coaching staff determined that our QB was still good to go for awhile. Those are all good things, by the way.
Britt...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 12:48 pm : link
Exactly.
Draft day thread....  
Britt in VA : 6/15/2018 1:06 pm : link
With the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Giants select....

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Let's not forget  
RinR : 6/15/2018 1:10 pm : link
that once Gettleman made his "touched by the hand of God" comment that's been used derisively against Barkley more than once.
Arc - your comments about being amazed are silly and  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 1:12 pm : link
overblown because nobody dislikes Barkley, or some ridiculous minority. But fans sure as hell could have desired another outcome. And some can even be passionate about it then and even now. Maybe some will change their minds when they see SB running and receiving all over the field. And maybe they will still have preferred Darnold or Rosen or whomever if those guys shine.

Iím excited to see Barkley kick ass for the Giants. But folks can have their differing views without being wrong..
Differing views..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 1:22 pm : link
on the Barkley pick often take the tone that one side is right and the other wrong.

Here's a response that captures that perfectly:

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Davis Webb
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 8:25 pm : link
is in a fetal position crying with euphoria.

What a f-ckin disaster Jints Central is. They never disappoint.


5 minutes after picking Barkley, Davis Webb is anointed the heir apparent QB, the ownership of the team is a mess and taking the best player in the draft is a fucking disaster.

But a classic reference to Jints Central gets another chance to be misused.....
I liked this one:  
Britt in VA : 6/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
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Total shit move
Default : 4/26/2018 8:25 pm : link
Hope the Jets draft a HOFer.
RE: Draft day thread....  
mfsd : 6/15/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13991969 Britt in VA said:
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With the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Giants select.... Link - ( New Window )


Truth is, scanning that again quickly, there was as much positive reaction as negative, and several who didnít like the pick were reasonable about it.

But the handful who went batshit are really funny to read in hindsight
RE: RE: Draft day thread....  
Britt in VA : 6/15/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13992000 mfsd said:
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In comment 13991969 Britt in VA said:


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With the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Giants select.... Link - ( New Window )



Truth is, scanning that again quickly, there was as much positive reaction as negative, and several who didnít like the pick were reasonable about it.

But the handful who went batshit are really funny to read in hindsight


As were the endless threads about why it was a mistake for the two weeks that followed. Maybe even three weeks. It was a while.
Sanctimonious is a funny word.  
Motley Two : 6/15/2018 1:35 pm : link
It's hard not to come off as being sanctimonious when using the word sanctimonious.
Mfsd  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 1:40 pm : link
Right on the money.

Fans want anything and everything. Posters wanted Qbs, RBs, trade downs etc. Draft day reactions tell that story...

Couldnít find a lot of posts where fans said they hate Barkley and he stinks.

But alas... that is yet the story being told on this thread
RE: Differing views..  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13991991 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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on the Barkley pick often take the tone that one side is right and the other wrong.

Here's a response that captures that perfectly:



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Davis Webb
bw in dc : 4/26/2018 8:25 pm : link
is in a fetal position crying with euphoria.

What a f-ckin disaster Jints Central is. They never disappoint.



5 minutes after picking Barkley, Davis Webb is anointed the heir apparent QB, the ownership of the team is a mess and taking the best player in the draft is a fucking disaster.h

But a classic reference to Jints Central gets another chance to be misused.....


How shocking... you picked a bw post.

RE: Mfsd  
mfsd : 6/15/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13992006 Jimmy Googs said:
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Right on the money.

Fans want anything and everything. Posters wanted Qbs, RBs, trade downs etc. Draft day reactions tell that story...

Couldnít find a lot of posts where fans said they hate Barkley and he stinks.

But alas... that is yet the story being told on this thread


Yup, thatís why I went back to read it a bit - as often happens, the most outrageous reactions were what stuck in my memory, but Iíd say 80-90% of posters were being pretty reasonable, whether Barkley was their first choice or not

Yep  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 1:51 pm : link
Yet again...
Yeah..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
it's funny to hear about people talking past one another and then have this gem unloaded:

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Couldnít find a lot of posts where fans said they hate Barkley and he stinks.

But alas... that is yet the story being told on this thread


No. That isn't the story being told on this thread. Not that Barkley stinks, but that people were vehemently against taking him in the draft. And that it is puzzling that taking the best player in the draft provoked such a reaction.

Not surprisingly you think people are talking past one another because you missed the entire point being made.

Shocking.

You missed it again in effort to just bitch at posters  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 2:11 pm : link
See Arcs post above
LOL.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 2:37 pm : link
This is what arc said:

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Preferring a QB was fine, it was the being gung ho against the RB simply because he's a RB was just head-scratching to me. And yeah, it does still "amaze" me a bit


He's not claiming people think Barkley is terrible. He's saying just what I have - that people were against drafting Barkley either because he was a RB or because he wasn't a QB.

Keep focusing on people talking past each other and you'll continually miss the point.

At this point, it is almost comical trolling
Once again...  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 2:50 pm : link
talking past folks. You need to look again and stop the selective choosing of what you cut and paste.

Itís just not inspiring, like those guys playing golf at the US Open...
And you may be kind of pain  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 2:53 pm : link
No one is calling you a troll...
Fine..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 3:13 pm : link
I'll let you do the choosing. You've basically create an argument on this thread that doesn't exist

Show us where arc said people said people hated Barkley or thought he sucked.

He's maintained the entire time that he's puzzled that people didn't want Barkley because he was a RB or not a QB.

And when posters continually try to take the contrarian view it sure the hell seems like trolling.

The mind will go to great lengths to protect the ego.....  
Britt in VA : 6/15/2018 3:16 pm : link
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TTH and Mfsd questioning the same point made  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 3:29 pm : link
Nobody disliked Barkley specifically nor disputed him as being a great RB. He is a RB though and that cannot be separated from what they desired as fans for that pick. The draft day thread shows it.

I guess you can say they were not inspired by the pick...

Lol...
See 11:46am post  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 3:32 pm : link
For help...
Again..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 3:38 pm : link
what are you getting at?

Here's arc's entire 11:46AM post
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2018 11:46 am : link : reply
No, I think there were posters who were actually against drafting Barkley because they said they were.

And some of those people will probably prefer to be right than see Barkley succeed - which is the bizarre part.

To each their own, though. I'm excited and looking forward to watching him.


Couple that with your nugget:
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Couldnít find a lot of posts where fans said they hate Barkley and he stinks.

But alas... that is yet the story being told on this thread


And I'll ask again - who is saying that people hate Barkley or that he stinks on this thread? Should be simple since it is the "story being told on this thread".

It isn't. Not sure why you keep trying to prove otherwise.



RE: Fine..  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13992138 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'll let you do the choosing. You've basically create an argument on this thread that doesn't exist



You also chose selectively in your 829am post to carry on yet again against bw as a poster as well as saying everybody is anti-Eli.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 3:53 pm : link
like I said above - it is just like trolling now.

I never said everyone hated eli. I said there are several posters who didn't like the Barkley selection because it wasn't a replacement for Eli or because he was a RB

You had no fucking clue what the point of this thread was, chimed in and got called on the bullshit.

Now somehow that relates to a post of mine?

If that isn't trolling it sure the fuck seems close. Nobody misses Radar here. We don't need you to be his replacement
RE: Arc - your comments about being amazed are silly and  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13991979 Jimmy Googs said:
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overblown because nobody dislikes Barkley, or some ridiculous minority. But fans sure as hell could have desired another outcome. And some can even be passionate about it then and even now. Maybe some will change their minds when they see SB running and receiving all over the field. And maybe they will still have preferred Darnold or Rosen or whomever if those guys shine.

Iím excited to see Barkley kick ass for the Giants. But folks can have their differing views without being wrong..


"Ridiculous minoriry" is acknowledgement that these people still exist. So, thanks!

That was kind of the point all along.
RE: LOL..  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13992182 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I never said everyone hated eli. I said there are several posters who didn't like the Barkley selection because it wasn't a replacement for Eli or because he was a RB



Oh, okay. My bad...didn't realize your dramatic abusive posts are only addressed to several one-off guys. How odd that several people could disagree with your take on things on this entire site...
RE: RE: Arc - your comments about being amazed are silly and  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13992192 arcarsenal said:
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"Ridiculous minoriry" is acknowledgement that these people still exist. So, thanks!

That was kind of the point all along.


Ha. I stipulate they exist since you stipulated they are clearly a silly minority...
It just seems like you were speaking about more than just  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 5:54 pm : link
posters when you usually try to make a mountain out of a molehill. But i could be wrong...

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There were many posters, including a couple who started multiple threads, who tried to detail using advanced analytics on why picking any RB was a bad decision.


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There were most definitely a lot of people who disliked the pick of Barkley, and the most fascinating part about it was that it isn't that they necessarily disliked Barkley for any reason other than he was a RB.


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A lot of posters thought picking a QB was the smart way to go. But we picked Barkley. That doesn't make it wrong that we picked Barkley.
more than just **several** posters  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 6:12 pm : link
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I don't think anyone knows what's going on ITT at this point  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 6:40 pm : link
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