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Continued Praise For Webb is Good For Eli

QB Snacks : 6/14/2018 1:58 pm
Sifting through twitter today and there are more good reports coming out on Davis Webb.

Madelynn Burke proclaimed "Saw some good stuff from Davis Webb today. He will make noise when his time comes."

This is great as a Giant fan. Puts pressure on Eli to know that if he struggles this year the organization may have a legit QB to turn to.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2018 2:00 pm : link
Ummmm. OK
Fatman  
QB Snacks : 6/14/2018 2:01 pm : link
To Clarify, not midseason, but for the 2019 season.
RE: LOL...  
dep026 : 6/14/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13991230 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Ummmm. OK


I think threads like these should end with something funny.

Ill start.

I like cheese.
Wouldn't the..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2018 2:08 pm : link
premise instead be "Continued Praise for Webb is Good for the GIANTS"??

Fail to see how it benefits Eli.

That being said:

What's good for Eli  
QB Snacks : 6/14/2018 2:14 pm : link
is good for the Giants.

Not the best thread title, I admit.
Not good for Eli at all.  
Mad Mike : 6/14/2018 2:34 pm : link
With the Jags looking like a very strong team, and a hostile environment in Dallas, I doubt Eli even makes it to Houston with his job intact.
RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Giants34 : 6/14/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13991262 Mad Mike said:
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With the Jags looking like a very strong team, and a hostile environment in Dallas, I doubt Eli even makes it to Houston with his job intact.


With the whole offseason designed to provide Eli with support (Barkley, Solder, Omaneh, Hernandez), and the organization's obvious fear of doing anything anti-Eli, there is virtually no way this team benches Eli unless we get off to an absolutely horrific start, and Eli is clearly to blame. Put differently, I see almost no scenario - barring injury - under which Eli doesn't start the third game of the season. It would take earth shattering poor performances - something like back to back 4 INT games - to do that. Considering the guy threw 13 INTs all of last season with no weapons and no O-Line, it is almost impossible to foresee a situation in which Eli melts down like that.
Cheese is good.  
Beezer : 6/14/2018 3:54 pm : link
Carpet, nice in winter months.

Me? I like turtles.
You can praise Webb until  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 4:33 pm : link
you feel a splash of goo against your throat and it won't matter even 1 bit. It's Webb's on field performance that matters. Hopefully we get to see a lot of him this summer. No more Smiths & Johnsons.

If Webb does very well and Eli declines, I can't see any upside for Eli in that situation.
RE: RE: LOL...  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13991235 dep026 said:
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I think threads like these should end with something funny.

Ill start.

I like cheese.


Like cheese? How about trying some goat cheese with "Triscuit Fire Roasted Tomato and Olive Oil"? That should make smoke come out of your ears!
I fucking love cheese  
BigBlue4You09 : 6/14/2018 4:42 pm : link
Fermunda preferably
When Webb demonstrates...  
bw in dc : 6/14/2018 4:45 pm : link
he can complete passes and lead sustained drives under live fire then I'll care.

RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Mad Mike : 6/14/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13991355 Giants34 said:
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With the whole offseason designed to provide Eli with support (Barkley, Solder, Omaneh, Hernandez), and the organization's obvious fear of doing anything anti-Eli, there is virtually no way this team benches Eli unless we get off to an absolutely horrific start, and Eli is clearly to blame. Put differently, I see almost no scenario - barring injury - under which Eli doesn't start the third game of the season. It would take earth shattering poor performances - something like back to back 4 INT games - to do that. Considering the guy threw 13 INTs all of last season with no weapons and no O-Line, it is almost impossible to foresee a situation in which Eli melts down like that.

So naive.
RE: RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13991407 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 13991355 Giants34 said:


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With the whole offseason designed to provide Eli with support (Barkley, Solder, Omaneh, Hernandez), and the organization's obvious fear of doing anything anti-Eli, there is virtually no way this team benches Eli unless we get off to an absolutely horrific start, and Eli is clearly to blame. Put differently, I see almost no scenario - barring injury - under which Eli doesn't start the third game of the season. It would take earth shattering poor performances - something like back to back 4 INT games - to do that. Considering the guy threw 13 INTs all of last season with no weapons and no O-Line, it is almost impossible to foresee a situation in which Eli melts down like that.


So naive.


Mike, I think you've gone mad.
RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Giantslifer : 6/14/2018 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13991355 Giants34 said:
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In comment 13991262 Mad Mike said:


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With the Jags looking like a very strong team, and a hostile environment in Dallas, I doubt Eli even makes it to Houston with his job intact.



With the whole offseason designed to provide Eli with support (Barkley, Solder, Omaneh, Hernandez), and the organization's obvious fear of doing anything anti-Eli, there is virtually no way this team benches Eli unless we get off to an absolutely horrific start, and Eli is clearly to blame. Put differently, I see almost no scenario - barring injury - under which Eli doesn't start the third game of the season. It would take earth shattering poor performances - something like back to back 4 INT games - to do that. Considering the guy threw 13 INTs all of last season with no weapons and no O-Line, it is almost impossible to foresee a situation in which Eli melts down like that.



Unless injured, Eli will finish his contract as starter. He may be pulled out of late season games in 2018 when Giants are out of playoffs. He will be given every opportunity to go out as winner in 2019... after 2019 ??
RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Vinny from Danbury : 6/14/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13991262 Mad Mike said:
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With the Jags looking like a very strong team, and a hostile environment in Dallas, I doubt Eli even makes it to Houston with his job intact.


Quite possibly the most moronic thing I've ever read here.
It's nice to hear Webb is doing well in OTA's  
Jay on the Island : 6/14/2018 6:47 pm : link
But getting excited about his performance is similar to getting excited because a QB has a good combine or pro day. Let's see how Webb does when the pads come on and he is facing a real pass rush.
RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Mad Mike : 6/14/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13991420 Vinny from Danbury said:
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Quite possibly the most moronic thing I've ever read here.

Doesn't come close to your sad. misguided belief that denial is a river in Egypt.
RE: RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13991440 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 13991420 Vinny from Danbury said:


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Quite possibly the most moronic thing I've ever read here.


Doesn't come close to your sad. misguided belief that denial is a river in Egypt.


Mike, I do not remember you as being a BBI shithead but you are coming off as a troll in this thread. WTH?
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Dodge : 6/14/2018 6:59 pm : link
Eli is going to respond to pressure just like he always does. Just go to work and do his job.
RE: RE: RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
Giants34 : 6/14/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13991417 Giantslifer said:
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In comment 13991355 Giants34 said:


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In comment 13991262 Mad Mike said:


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With the Jags looking like a very strong team, and a hostile environment in Dallas, I doubt Eli even makes it to Houston with his job intact.



With the whole offseason designed to provide Eli with support (Barkley, Solder, Omaneh, Hernandez), and the organization's obvious fear of doing anything anti-Eli, there is virtually no way this team benches Eli unless we get off to an absolutely horrific start, and Eli is clearly to blame. Put differently, I see almost no scenario - barring injury - under which Eli doesn't start the third game of the season. It would take earth shattering poor performances - something like back to back 4 INT games - to do that. Considering the guy threw 13 INTs all of last season with no weapons and no O-Line, it is almost impossible to foresee a situation in which Eli melts down like that.




Unless injured, Eli will finish his contract as starter. He may be pulled out of late season games in 2018 when Giants are out of playoffs. He will be given every opportunity to go out as winner in 2019... after 2019 ??


I'm not so sure about that. If Eli struggles this year, I don't believe he will be starting next year. That becomes even more likely if Webb (or, less likely, Lauletta) has progressed to the point that the staff is comfortable handing the reins to him. Simply put, this is a no excuse year for Eli. With the upgraded offensive line, new coach (and scheme), Barkley, and healthy ODB, a subpar year from Eli means that is truly done, and that is that.
RE: Not good for Eli at all.  
mrvax : 6/14/2018 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13991449 Giants34 said:
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In comment 13991417 Giantslifer said:

I'm not so sure about that. If Eli struggles this year, I don't believe he will be starting next year. That becomes even more likely if Webb (or, less likely, Lauletta) has progressed to the point that the staff is comfortable handing the reins to him. Simply put, this is a no excuse year for Eli. With the upgraded offensive line, new coach (and scheme), Barkley, and healthy ODB, a subpar year from Eli means that is truly done, and that is that.


Good post. What I saw about Eli is that he had a line that couldn't pass/run block worth a damn. Almost every play was a jail break on that line. There was no way for any QB to perform well under those circumstances.

Let's see how our 37 year old QB does this year.
Geez..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/14/2018 7:55 pm : link
I thought it was well played sarcasm by Mad Mike.

Guess I was wrong.
I Hope That I'm Wrong  
lax counsel : 6/14/2018 8:16 pm : link
But I just don't see it with Davis Webb. I think a lot of fans are going to be disappointed when the smoke clears and he's Kent Graham 2.0. That is to say big arm, limited intermediate and downfield accuracy, robotic in the pocket, and struggles to read or diagnose a defense.

It's very understandable why some would get excited about him in shorts, he's has some tools, but when he puts it all together on the field, he just doesn't look the part.

And again, this isn't the best argument, but what are the odds that the Reese regime found a legit franchise qb in round 3 when he couldn't find any other legit starters let alone franchise caliber players in any other year.
RE: I Hope That I'm Wrong  
section125 : 6/14/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13991487 lax counsel said:
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But I just don't see it with Davis Webb. I think a lot of fans are going to be disappointed when the smoke clears and he's Kent Graham 2.0. That is to say big arm, limited intermediate and downfield accuracy, robotic in the pocket, and struggles to read or diagnose a defense.

It's very understandable why some would get excited about him in shorts, he's has some tools, but when he puts it all together on the field, he just doesn't look the part.

And again, this isn't the best argument, but what are the odds that the Reese regime found a legit franchise qb in round 3 when he couldn't find any other legit starters let alone franchise caliber players in any other year.


When did you see any of Webb that leads you to that position?
Answer: since he hasn't played, you could not have. So, basically you have an uncorroborated opinion.
RE: I Hope That I'm Wrong  
Giants34 : 6/14/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13991487 lax counsel said:
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But I just don't see it with Davis Webb. I think a lot of fans are going to be disappointed when the smoke clears and he's Kent Graham 2.0. That is to say big arm, limited intermediate and downfield accuracy, robotic in the pocket, and struggles to read or diagnose a defense.

It's very understandable why some would get excited about him in shorts, he's has some tools, but when he puts it all together on the field, he just doesn't look the part.

And again, this isn't the best argument, but what are the odds that the Reese regime found a legit franchise qb in round 3 when he couldn't find any other legit starters let alone franchise caliber players in any other year.


I'm as big a skeptic as anyone. And I firmly believe we should have selected a QB at 2. Nonetheless, it is good to hear good things about Webb. Most importantly, he undoubtedly has a killer work ethic. And, by all accounts, he is vastly improved from last year at this time, and Shurmur even said (if you take him at his word) that Webb improved throughout the Spring. While OTAs are indicative of virtually nothing, it is great to hear he's had success during the Spring. Finding a franchise QB - or even long term starter - in the 3rd Round is a long shot, so I'm like you: not buying it until I see it with pads on. But at least he's doing all that he can right now to show the coaches that they may have something there. And let's be honest; they better have something in Webb, because they decided analytics mean nothing, the strong QB draft meant nothing, and passed on all QBs for a RB.
Mad Mike's post reek of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2018 8:51 pm : link
sarcasm. Or so I hope.
It's weird to see people ride the David Webb hype train  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/14/2018 10:14 pm : link
and then three threads later trash jerry reese like he's the antichrist.
Some people actually expect Eli to struggle this year  
djm : 6/14/2018 10:58 pm : link
Hes struggled 2 seasons out of 14 not counting his rookie year. 2 times. Why did he struggle? Because the offense was awful. It happens but it doesnt ALWAYS happens and it only happens when everything goes south.

Why do some people make it sound like Eli struggling is a distinct possibility ? Based on everything weve seen over a 15 year period a full season of pure struggle from Eli Manning is the exception, not the norm.

Eli wont struggle with the personnel and coaching in place. You can bet on it.
Why do some people make it sound like Eli struggling  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 12:28 am : link
is not a possibility? Not at all?
RE: Why do some people make it sound like Eli struggling  
dep026 : 6/15/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 13991660 Jimmy Googs said:
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is not a possibility? Not at all?


I dont think anyone is dimissing it. Just being more positive. Shurmur's comments have been glowing (something our previous coach had a hard time saying), the reporters have said his arm looks lively and accurate so far (albeit against no pads).

We have a new beginning - so IMO most of us are being positive because we have some great weapons (OBJ, SS, EE, SB), we made an effort to improve the OL. Flowers seems like he found a new bff in Solder rather than Hard, which can only be good.

Eli for all intents and purposes may stink. But he has 1 year maybe 2 left. Let him go off with a bang as he deserves.
RE: Why do some people make it sound like Eli struggling  
crick n NC : 6/15/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13991660 Jimmy Googs said:
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is not a possibility? Not at all?


I don't know about anyone else, but I would be very surprised to see Manning struggle in a workable environment. My take has been that Manning wasn't the culprit for the offensive struggles as the environment wasn't workable in my opinion. The mixture of Mac's "offense", a bad offensive line with literally no threat at the running back position was a disaster. I think Shurmur has a real offense, add in some new components at OL and a real potential difference maker at RB and you have a potentially very good situation. So, I will be very surprised if Manning struggles considering all of that. Obviously there is potential for things to not work out like I have envisioned, whether that be the OL not performing as expected, injuries, skill players not performing, or the QB could be toast mentally.

We'll see. I'm excited about the offense this season.
There is no competion and won't be this season  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 8:12 am : link
Unless Eli bombs, which he won't.
Webb looking good  
joeinpa : 6/15/2018 8:36 am : link
Is good for the Giants.

If you are implying that it is good for Eli because he now has someone pushing him, I think you re wrong. Eli has always given 100%.

Giants are committed to Eli for the foreseeable future, their draft proved that.
It's a stretch to say that praise for Webb is good for Eli  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 8:47 am : link
Everything this team has said and done shows their commitment to Eli. Passing on a QB @2 overall is not just words, it's strong action backing up everything they've said. All Shurmur has done is praise Eli. Eli knows where he stands.
I think Eli bounces back too. Just tempering the comments b/c  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 9:41 am : link
as you know he will have stretches of games, and games, where he will struggle. Why....because that is who he is. And the stretches of being on his game less and less frequent.

Just keeping it real on Friday morning...
Martini 🍸night  
crick n NC : 6/15/2018 9:53 am : link
Tonight Googs? It is Friday...
Likely some type of cocktail  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2018 10:28 am : link
as reading some posts like these brings it on...
There was an article  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 11:46 am : link
a week or two ago about Webb looking good in the preseason and he could draw trade offers. Is it just me, or does it seem that people continually miss understand such a simple situation with Webb? Like the people who can't follow that Webb it was never in the team's plans last year for Webb to compete for backup position. And there is nothing remotely confusing about his current role, but it seems to be tripping people up, nevertheless. I just don't get it.
RE: There was an article  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13991890 UberAlias said:
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a week or two ago about Webb looking good in the preseason and he could draw trade offers. Is it just me, or does it seem that people continually miss understand such a simple situation with Webb? Like the people who can't follow that Webb it was never in the team's plans last year for Webb to compete for backup position. And there is nothing remotely confusing about his current role, but it seems to be tripping people up, nevertheless. I just don't get it.


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