NFT: Yankees (44-20) vs. Rays (32-36), Friday 15-Jun-18

When the Yanks traded for Phelps and Prado for Eovaldi, the thought at the time was that Domingo German was a lotto ticket.

Irony that German is now a SP for the Yanks and Eovaldi is on at least his 4th team.

Recent starts at 1B so you'd think he's getting prepped for a call up soon.

In comment 13991747 BigBlue2112 said:

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Recent starts at 1B so you'd think he's getting prepped for a call up soon.

Maybe. I think he should be on the team over Walker. I know they like Walker because he hit from the left, but Drury's versatility brings so much more value to the team.

In comment 13991744 rich in DC said:

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When the Yanks traded for Phelps and Prado for Eovaldi, the thought at the time was that Domingo German was a lotto ticket. Irony that German is now a SP for the Yanks and Eovaldi is on at least his 4th team.

That is interesting to say the least. Seems to me, that trade is another example of Cashman's trading prowess. Really worked in the Yankees favor in the long run.

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In comment 13991747 BigBlue2112 said: Quote: Recent starts at 1B so you'd think he's getting prepped for a call up soon. Maybe. I think he should be on the team over Walker. I know they like Walker because he hit from the left, but Drury's versatility brings so much more value to the team.

Walker is just as versatile IMO. He can play 2nd and 3rd just like Drury but also has way more experience at 1st base. Plus the fact he's a switch hitter and it makes him about as versatile a player they could ask for.

I like Walker on this team and his spot shouldn't be in jeopardy just because they traded for Drury and Drury got Wally Pipped.

Now if Drury can play some CF and sub for Hicks there when they need a right handed hitting CF, I'd be open to having him up but again not at Walker's expense.

Cole hasn't pitched since May 28. In eight weeks with the team, he has six appearances. What's the point?

to have TJ surgery is one reason he's been around the block since his Yanks tenure.

In comment 13991801 Greg from LI said:

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Cole hasn't pitched since May 28. In eight weeks with the team, he has six appearances. What's the point?

I totally forgot he was on the roster. Why isn't he starting tonight in place of Lasagna?

In comment 13991801 Greg from LI said:

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Cole hasn't pitched since May 28. In eight weeks with the team, he has six appearances. What's the point?

That would work for me too. Maybe they're going to use Cole Monday in the suspended game and waiting for that?

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In comment 13991801 Greg from LI said: Quote: Cole hasn't pitched since May 28. In eight weeks with the team, he has six appearances. What's the point? I totally forgot he was on the roster. Why isn't he starting tonight in place of Lasagna?

Because Cole isn�t particularly good and he�s not stretched out to get you any length at this point.

Plus, I�m guessing that the Yanks are using this as a chance to showcase Lasagna to other teams. He�s not the most known quantity yet and this is a chance to get him on their radar for future trade talks.

If you can get him for next to nothing, ok, but I wouldn't trade much of anything for him. He just isn't all that good.

I was thinking it could be Cole isn't stretched out, while Lasagna is. I recall Cole pitching fairly well last time out. But as Greg mentioned, that was back in May. No appearances since. Not good.

Your point about showcasing Lasagna makes a lot of sense, too. Would be a good way to advertise his value. Also, it is an audition for the big club. If he does a really good job, perhaps the team is saved from having to make a trade. Unlikely, but possible.

I think Eman's point about saving Cole for Monday sounds like a good possibility. Cole is essentially a long reliever, he could complete the suspended game on Monday, and spare the Yanks bullpen from too much work.

thing keeping both Walker/Cole on the roster over other known quantities like Kahnle/Drury/Frazier, is that once we demote them, we probably lose them (definitely in Walker's case).

This is a long season and having such quality depth only helps the big club. Who's to say that Drury doesn't come up, and within 10 days feels migraines/blurred vision again? Once we elect to demote Walker, he's not getting thru waivers, and we lose a valuable player. Yes, this isn't the ideal situation for Drury, but someone is going to feel the brunt of Andujar absolutely exceeding expectations.

Yes, Cole is a little more interesting of a case, in that his career numbers aren't that great. But, as a Yankee, he has a .82 ERA in 11 innings of work, while allowing 6 hits, and striking out 12. He seems to be another case of embracing the anti-FB approach our pitching staff is in favor of, and working in his high spin rate slider as his go-to pitch.

RAB also with an interesting nugget this morning in regards to some of these players in the minors, and how many days they need to be down there to get the extra year of team control:

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Drury: 50 days (he�s been down 32 days already, so only 18 more to go) Frazier: 109 days (already been down 38 days) Kahnle: 31 days (already been down 10 days) Torreyes: 38 days (spent 13 days in Triple-A before being recalled) Wade: 97 days (already down 54 days)

In the cases of Drury/Frazier/Kahnle, that extra year could turn out extremely valuable for us, weather we end up keeping them long term, or look to flip them.

He's provided some real professional at-bats when we needed them most at times during this season, and was completely instrumental in that insane stretch we went on, in the middle of almost every rally. He is a known quantity. He's the type of guy you just know is going to be up in a big spot in a crucial game somewhere down the line and I feel good with that.

But they aren't just going to release him, nor should they.

In comment 13991851 wigs in nyc said:

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He's provided some real professional at-bats when we needed them most at times during this season, and was completely instrumental in that insane stretch we went on, in the middle of almost every rally. He is a known quantity. He's the type of guy you just know is going to be up in a big spot in a crucial game somewhere down the line and I feel good with that.

Really? We are 40-games into the season and he is only hitting .210 with 2-HRs. Sure he's had a couple of timely hits, but overall you can't say he is contributing all that much with the bat. Meanwhile, Drury has been on a tear at AAA-SWB. I agree Walker has value, but the Yanks problem right now is that they have too many talented players and not enough positions. IMO Drury brings more value to the team.

It's asset management. They could keep Drury in Scranton to buy time but they can't send Walker down.

In comment 13991820 Greg from LI said:

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If you can get him for next to nothing, ok, but I wouldn't trade much of anything for him. He just isn't all that good.

That�s why I said on the cheap. But he can throw a low scoring game at any time, and given our SP situation he�d help.

In comment 13991914 Greg from LI said:

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It's asset management. They could keep Drury in Scranton to buy time but they can't send Walker down.

Agreed Greg.

Plus he's a veteran switch hitter. I'm not going crazy over Drury doing well at AAA. He should be doing well there, and there's no guarantee he'd be doing any better than Walker with the limited AB's he'll get in Walker's place. I'd bet if Walker was playing every day he'd have much better numbers than he has now.

The other concern for me is its not like he's rehabbing an injury with a cure or definite healed time frame. There's no guarantee the migraines and double vision are completely cured, and I wouldn't want to lose Walker outright while keeping my fingers crossed Drury's problem doesn't flare up again.

The guy got Pipped and while they gave up some quality for him, that's not enough IMO to guarantee his return. If there's a way to get him up that doesn't affect Walker's spot in order to maybe showcase Drury, then I can see him getting the call up. Barring that, I think he's injury insurance in case someone goes down.

but I think his current numbers are a result of his early struggles, due to his late signing.

It's certainly possible that Drury is capable of the same professional at-bats which Walker is a lock to provide - I just haven't had the time for that reassurance due to his injuries.

I'd be much happier with both of them on the roster and the 8th reliever in Scranton.

But still I believe Drury belongs in the majors, has a lot of versatility and talent, and at 25 has a much bigger upside than a 32-yr old Walker who is on the decline.

One of them will likely be traded before too long, though I can't say I know which one. In a vacuum, I'd prefer to trade Walker but it will all depend on what kind of deals are out there.

after Loaisiga starts. If they want to keep Johnny, they'll boom a pitcher. If they want to bring Frazier, too, they can boom Toe, since Walker can cover 2B if Didi needs a day.

To mess with Andujar. Whether it be his playing time or psyche. There's no need for Drury to be up unless it's to play some 1B (which between Bird and Walker there is no need) or to play some OF.

Miggy doesn't need Drury looking over his shoulder. Leave the kid be and don't mess up a good thing in any way.

In comment 13991901 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13991851 wigs in nyc said: Quote: He's provided some real professional at-bats when we needed them most at times during this season, and was completely instrumental in that insane stretch we went on, in the middle of almost every rally. He is a known quantity. He's the type of guy you just know is going to be up in a big spot in a crucial game somewhere down the line and I feel good with that. Really? We are 40-games into the season and he is only hitting .210 with 2-HRs. Sure he's had a couple of timely hits, but overall you can't say he is contributing all that much with the bat. Meanwhile, Drury has been on a tear at AAA-SWB. I agree Walker has value, but the Yanks problem right now is that they have too many talented players and not enough positions. IMO Drury brings more value to the team.

In the Boston and Houston series, Oakland too where he was getting regular AB's he was huge. Frankly since then he's barely getting 5 AB's a week. Nobody can produce with that workload. The fact remains if we get an injury and we need him to fill in regularly I'd trust him. I agree that I can be convinced that Drury can be kept instead of him, but right now that's not necessary. These things have a way of working themselves out with injuries.

For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

What the fuck is this rant?

Sure they need a starter. And please, as you say, look at the position Cashman has put them in. Take a look.

Did you look? Cashman has them in a pretty good spot. And Hicks is not carrying anything on this team right now.

Not sure where this crazy take is coming from.



In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said:

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For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said:

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For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said:

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For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

Lulz

that you literally don't know where to start to refute it.

Don't want to trade with Cashman because he fleeces them. That is not a good thing, only a moron thinks so, good trades are when two teams are happy. You get a bad reputation and then nobody wants to deal with you. Cashman is not going to get a top end starter, no team is giving the Yanks anything, stupidity made him trade for Stanton. That was a horrific move, now we are stuck with him and we are targets, it was the stupidest trade made in a long time. They have to wait it out until the off season now. Then maybe he will finally spend some money where it needs to be spent.

Give it to the scouts that are selecting these kids and to the minor league managers and coaches who are doing a great job developing these players, that is where the credit belongs.

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I'm shocked.


Paul - let me get this straight. You're upset because Cashman doesn't give up enough in trades?

Seriously?

In comment 13992091 Stu11 said:

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that you literally don't know where to start to refute it.

PaulN: "hold my beer"

In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said:

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For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

Obviously a Red Sux fan.

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Haha, you win!

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In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said:

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For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

A true handle/post if I've ever seen one.

In comment 13992072 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said: Quote: For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE.

Stupidest post today - I agree. Beat me to it.

Truly a WTF moment.

In comment 13992227 section125 said:

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In comment 13992072 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: In comment 13992014 Alwaysblue22 said: Quote: For a decent quality starter, everyone raves about how good Cashman is.....well look at the position he put the Yanks in.... his SP staff STINKS and the other teams know it...he would have to trade Torres, Andujar, Sheffield and Clint Frazier to the Mets for DeGrom.....then we would have Duruy starting at 3rd base and Neil Walker at second...but we would have two good starters to make it to the WS... the middle of the order is not hitting well ..and this team is being carried by the two rookies , Hicks and Gardner. So we cannot trade Andujar or Torres, at least right now. Better off shopping Gary Sanchez plus Sheffield before the rest of baseball finds out Sanchez stinks too. Austin Romine is the better catcher. If we stand pat the Yanks will be the Wild card again and if Severino has a bad game ..ONE AND DONE. Stupidest post today - I agree. Beat me to it. Truly a WTF moment.

To be fair, we have to give credit where deserved and give PaulN at least a consolation prize. If this one was the stupidest, PaulNs sure isn�t far behind. I hate to see greatness go unnoticed...

would make PaulN happy.

In comment 13992258 NoGainDayne said:

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would make PaulN happy.

PaulN will only be happy if they trade Sanchez and Sheffield for Bartolo Colon. Then follow that up with Torres and Andujar for Jason Vargas. It�s the only way that Cashman can ever get back into the good graces of the rest of the teams. Otherwise he will never be able to make a trade with anyone again. The cheating, conniving bastard hasn�t made the trading partners happy with their returns lately so he�s got some apologizing to do. And in the future it would be nice if Cashman would offer a few extra high end pieces when making deals, that way everyone is happy and nobody will be mad at him anymore.

with Stanton. He projects out to 43 Hrs and 125 rbis...If that is stuck, I'll take 8 more of those including Judge.

And please explain who Cashman fleeced?

Cubs? They got what they wanted - a WS Championship.

Indians? - They made the WS and lost in the 7th game...

And then tried to see if he could one up it. Credit where it�s due, he came damn close.

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Asked if he�d consider trading Gleyber Torres, Cashman said no. �C�mon, I have to walk around in this city,� Cashman said.

Chad Whitmer to the Brewers for IFA dough.

1. Matt Duffy (R) DH .316/.354/.425, 0.9 fWAR
2. Jake Bauers (L) 1B .276/.364/.483, 0.2 fWAR
3. Wilson Ramos (R) CA .282/.327/.440, 0.9 fWAR
4. Joey Wendle (L) 2B .278/.322/.374, 1 fWAR
5. Willy Adames (R) SS .231/.250/.385, 0 fWAR
6. Mallex Smith (L) CF .288/.349/.380, 1 fWAR
7. Christian Arroyo (R) 3B .280/.357/.420, 0.2 fWAR
8. Rob Refsnyder (R) LF .177/.323/.291, -0.5 fWAR
9. Johnny Field (R) RF .246/.285/.446, 0.7 fWAR

Nathan Eovaldi (R): (16 IP, 3.94 ERA, 0.3 RA9 WAR)
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Jonathan Loaisiga (R): NR

1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .262/.357/.394, 2 fWAR
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF .275/.396/.564, 3.1 fWAR
3. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .246/.323/.474, 1.7 fWAR
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH .244/.319/.476, 1.5 fWAR
5. Greg Bird (L) 1B .200/.254/.473, 0.1 fWAR
6. Gary Sanchez (R) CA .188/.295/.426, 1 fWAR
7. Aaron Hicks (S) CF .243/.343/.434, 1.5 fWAR
8. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B .303/.332/.540, 1.1 fWAR
9. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B .295/.351/.577, 1.2 fWAR

In comment 13991974 Phil in LA said:

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after Loaisiga starts. If they want to keep Johnny, they'll boom a pitcher. If they want to bring Frazier, too, they can boom Toe, since Walker can cover 2B if Didi needs a day.

Another three weeks or so in the minors and we push back Drury's FA by a year. I think that may make a difference as they look to trade him in a package for a starter.