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Raiders fear for a year long suspension of Martavis Bryant

NYG27 : 6/15/2018 10:31 am
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Per the Review-Journal's Michael Gehlken, Bryant's imminent discipline is believed to pertain to the NFL's substance-abuse policy. Bryant, of course, missed all of 2016 due to substance-abuse-policy violations. Gehlken confirms any further substance-abuse infraction could cost Bryant another year, or longer.


During this years draft, the Raiders sent the Steelers the 79th overall pick in the 3rd round to acquire Bryant.
Just a really bad business decision for Oakland  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 10:40 am : link
he isn’t a very good WR to begin with and now they probably lose him for the season and then he’s a UFA after that.
RE: Just a really bad business decision for Oakland  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13991837 UConn4523 said:
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he isn’t a very good WR to begin with and now they probably lose him for the season and then he’s a UFA after that.


If he’s suspended for the year, does he become a FA given he hasn’t played? It was his and not the team’s fault
BB56  
NYG27 : 6/15/2018 11:10 am : link
I remember from Josh Gordon's recent suspension. That not only did Gordon lose out on his salary while suspended, he also lost out the accrued season.

So I think the Raiders would still control Bryant's rights for 2019 and Martavis wouldn't be a free agent till 2020 since he needs to accure another season (which would be 2019 if he returns).
Yeah they would have his rights  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 11:12 am : link
but I can see them cutting him despite the pick given. He’s just not a guy you want on your team. They took a huge risk and it looks like it was an awful move.
RE: Yeah they would have his rights  
NYG27 : 6/15/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13991855 UConn4523 said:
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but I can see them cutting him despite the pick given. He’s just not a guy you want on your team. They took a huge risk and it looks like it was an awful move.


Why cut him, makes no sense. Bryant won't be paid, can't be around the team or facilities while suspended, so won't be able to be a bad influence.

Raiders best course of action if what the Browns did with Josh Gordon. Wait till he gets back and try to see if they can salvage any of his value in 2019 if possible. If he's a head case, you cut him then in 2019. Till then, it costs you nothing to keep his rights while he's suspended.
The Raiders will always be  
UberAlias : 6/15/2018 11:37 am : link
The Raiders.
I wonder  
TJ : 6/15/2018 12:10 pm : link
if Steelers knew this was coming and did not disclose to the raiders - do the raiders have any recourse?
RE: I wonder  
NYG27 : 6/15/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13991913 TJ said:
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if Steelers knew this was coming and did not disclose to the raiders - do the raiders have any recourse?


None what so ever, the trade wasn't for a conditional draft pick. It's buyer beware and the Raiders just drew the short end of the stick on that move.
How stupid do the Raiders look?  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2018 12:19 pm : link
I would imagine it is longer than a year if it's another substance abuse issue. He was already hit with the year, isn't the next step "indefinite"?
RE: RE: Yeah they would have his rights  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13991860 NYG27 said:
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but I can see them cutting him despite the pick given. He’s just not a guy you want on your team. They took a huge risk and it looks like it was an awful move.



Why cut him, makes no sense. Bryant won't be paid, can't be around the team or facilities while suspended, so won't be able to be a bad influence.

Raiders best course of action if what the Browns did with Josh Gordon. Wait till he gets back and try to see if they can salvage any of his value in 2019 if possible. If he's a head case, you cut him then in 2019. Till then, it costs you nothing to keep his rights while he's suspended.


“Makes no sense” or it makes a lot of sense. He’s a bad locker room guy which is part of the reason why he was shipped in the first place. And now on top of that he will always be 1 infraction away from a year long suspension.

Addition by subtraction. He simply isn’t worth it.
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NYG27 : 6/15/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13991929 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13991860 NYG27 said:


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In comment 13991855 UConn4523 said:


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but I can see them cutting him despite the pick given. He’s just not a guy you want on your team. They took a huge risk and it looks like it was an awful move.



Why cut him, makes no sense. Bryant won't be paid, can't be around the team or facilities while suspended, so won't be able to be a bad influence.

Raiders best course of action if what the Browns did with Josh Gordon. Wait till he gets back and try to see if they can salvage any of his value in 2019 if possible. If he's a head case, you cut him then in 2019. Till then, it costs you nothing to keep his rights while he's suspended.



“Makes no sense” or it makes a lot of sense. He’s a bad locker room guy which is part of the reason why he was shipped in the first place. And now on top of that he will always be 1 infraction away from a year long suspension.

Addition by subtraction. He simply isn’t worth it.


None of what you said makes sense.

"He's a bad locker room guy"...he won't be allowed anywhere near the team, the locker room, any practices or games while suspended. So how would Bryant being a bad locker room guy effect the team if he's not allowed to be there?

"He simply isn't worth it"...tell that to the Browns with how they handled Josh Gordon. Gordon was suspended and wasn't anywhere near the team in 2015 and 2016. When Gordon final was reinstated, he still looked like the best WR on the team and averaged almost 70 receiving yards per over his 5 games played. Plus he looks to have his life on track and is slated for a big role in the Browns offense this year.

Will Bryant be able to make a similar turnaround that Gordon did while suspended? Who knows but it will cost the Raiders nothing to hold onto his rights and find out one way or another.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/15/2018 12:47 pm : link
Yeah, the examples of guys who turned things around while on a lengthy suspension is so lengthy it should be the norm to expect the guy to be relied on......

As for Josh Gordon, can the guy prove he can stay on the field for more than half a season before considering him a success? Hell, people here thought Will Hill was worth keeping pointing to his performance with the Ravens and the way he righted the ship.

Just before hitting a fucking iceberg....
So when he’s back with the team in 2019  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 1:12 pm : link
does he not go to the locker room?

The guy is a shitty teammate. Now, during suspension, and post suspension. What exactly are you arguing?
I also want to add that with the Raiders  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 1:18 pm : link
going all in on Lynch backfired too. His attitude has always sucked but it worked well enough in Seattle until he bottom fell out. Adding him was a mistake, character and work ethic matter, both of which Bryant doesn’t display.
Terrible trade for Oakland  
DennyInDenville : 6/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
Pittsburgh must be doing backflips to get a 3RD ROUNDER for this degenerate player.

Guy is actually pretty good as a WR, but he's got a shit attitude, off field issues, undersized, and a year long potential suspension ...LOL
How is he undersized?  
UConn4523 : 6/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
He’s 6’5”. Every year his TDs have gone down, and he’s got terrible hands. His overall catch rate is 56%.

Pittsburgh stole from Oakland.
RE: How is he undersized?  
DennyInDenville : 6/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13992031 UConn4523 said:
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He’s 6’5”. Every year his TDs have gone down, and he’s got terrible hands. His overall catch rate is 56%.

Pittsburgh stole from Oakland.

Dude that's crazy, I absolutely did not know he was 6-4. That's totally my bad. I guess he's a bit skinny at 211 but holy hell I watched this guy play a lot and I could have sworn he was 6-0 or so ... oh well. Time to make an eye doctor appt or start double checking heights when watching players
Not entirely related to this  
Metnut : 6/15/2018 2:21 pm : link
but I think Gruden is going to be a huge flop in Oakland.
RE: LOL..  
NYDCBlue : 6/15/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13991951 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Yeah, the examples of guys who turned things around while on a lengthy suspension is so lengthy it should be the norm to expect the guy to be relied on......

As for Josh Gordon, can the guy prove he can stay on the field for more than half a season before considering him a success? Hell, people here thought Will Hill was worth keeping pointing to his performance with the Ravens and the way he righted the ship.

Just before hitting a fucking iceberg....


Ha!
Super guilty as charged.
Oh man, will hill hysteria.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2018 6:57 pm : link
Another dark time on here.
We all knew it was a terrible trade by Oakland when made  
MetsAreBack : 6/15/2018 9:18 pm : link
I don't know why these teams trade 3rd rounders like candy. The browns knew Mayfield was their guy 'for months' and yet they still trade the first pick in the third round for T Taylor who the bills were going to cut anyway? What??

I am curious what the drugs are though. Marijuana which is legal in most states now? NFL needs to grow the fuck up with this.
Oakland  
old man : 6/15/2018 10:08 pm : link
Played with fire in that trade,given MBs history,stand a good chance of getting burnt.
I think  
larryinnewhaven : 6/15/2018 11:53 pm : link
Gruden is gong to have a tough go of it 2nd time around there
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