NFT: Yankees (45-20 vs. Rays (32-37), 16-Jun-18 at 1:05p

Kevin Cash compared Lasagna to Mo as well...
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I thought about Mariano when I first saw German throw last year but hey, I'll gladly take a pair of Mo's!

Maybe Mo can teach him how to throw that nasty cutter

compared him to "Louisiana Lighting (Ron Guidry for you young guys)"

For Lasagna to be the second coming of Mo. I don’t want to jinx him. Solid starter is all I want. That would be nice. Anything more, gravy

A 30 year old pitcher for a 21 year old every day player, real fair, if your a Mets fan, you should be thrilled and they have the balls to say you have to throw in Frazier and Andujar also, the best thing to do is not report this shit and not even bother to discuss it, it is so pathetic, it is all about the media's agenda and making a story, nothing more then that, just like the bullshit about us adding some of the everyday players in the off season, when we just need pitching and some decent ones will be available, but they want it to be about them. A waste of time.

In comment 13992618 Beer Man said:

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compared him to "Louisiana Lighting (Ron Guidry for you young guys)"

I can see that too.

I don't think it's so much about their stuff being the same as it is their size and ease with which they throw, yet still have nasty stuff and velocity.

You'd expect that heat and movement from a big guy but when a smaller guy does it, it seems even more nasty to me if that makes any sense. I guess some of that is a surprise factor maybe?

Lasagna showed Mo-like AA on that first double play. For some reason the ump wasn't giving him all the black, though he was putting it there constantly. And Yanks don't keep solid starters, they tend to trade those off. Johnny looks like more. So does German. Swing and miss stuff from both.

I'm sure anyone comparing him to Guidry knows full well Guidry was a lefty. It's mostly about their sizes, but also their athleticism, and great swing and miss stuff for me.

Pitchers (and hitters too for that matter) don't have to play from the same side to remind us of other players. Just like two lefties don't have to remind us of each other just because they are both lefty.

In comment 13992623 PaulN said:

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A 30 year old pitcher for a 21 year old every day player, real fair, if your a Mets fan, you should be thrilled and they have the balls to say you have to throw in Frazier and Andujar also, the best thing to do is not report this shit and not even bother to discuss it, it is so pathetic, it is all about the media's agenda and making a story, nothing more then that, just like the bullshit about us adding some of the everyday players in the off season, when we just need pitching and some decent ones will be available, but they want it to be about them. A waste of time.

I think you are being a bit unfair, probably because it deals with the Mets. Listen, I probably wouldn’t trade Torres either but that is definitely going to be the going rate for an elite MLB pitcher like DeGrom, plus some. Torres has played all of 46 MLB games...he just as easily regress as he would improve (fortunately he does NOT play for the Mets because then he would surely regress). Point is, it is not pathetic. But J.A. Happ might be more in your price range. Might not move the needle for you but you’d get to keep all your prospects.

Now you’re dreaming.

I'm super pumped to see him come up. Cash made it sound like he's definitely going to make a deal for a starter. But would it be that crazy to ride the youth the whole way?

Not only are the Mets and Yankees not trading with eachother, but the Yankees aren't trading Gleyber anywhere for anybody.

In comment 13992675 bigbluehoya said:

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Now you’re dreaming.

Only to Yankee fans are we “dreaming”. Again, 46 games. Remember when you all had Sanchez pinned as the next Babe Ruth after his first 20 games? That’s fine...good luck.

In comment 13992678 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13992675 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Now you’re dreaming. Only to Yankee fans are we “dreaming”. Again, 46 games. Remember when you all had Sanchez pinned as the next Babe Ruth after his first 20 games? That’s fine...good luck.

Or, remember when you said Conforto was just as good as Judge?

You must be so butt-hurt with how the seasons has gone for both teams, haha.

In comment 13992679 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 13992678 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 13992675 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Now you’re dreaming. Only to Yankee fans are we “dreaming”. Again, 46 games. Remember when you all had Sanchez pinned as the next Babe Ruth after his first 20 games? That’s fine...good luck. Or, remember when you said Conforto was just as good as Judge? You must be so butt-hurt with how the seasons has gone for both teams, haha.

Exactly, sometimes things don’t go in the direction that you think they will. Thanks for proving the point.

Butt-hurt? Clearly you are still a child incapable of having a grown up conversation. Haha

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who comes into another teams' thread (big shock there!) looking for an argument. It's funny, other Mets fans post in Yankee threads and it goes fine. Not you, though. Your anger about both teams just takes over every single time.

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Lol, Dave and Adam still besties to the end. What would you do without each other.

I barely even talk to adam. This guy is so weird...and angry.

In comment 13992683 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13992681 adamg said: Quote: . Lol, Dave and Adam still besties to the end. What would you do without each other.

I don't know. I imagine we wouldn't be trolling Mets threads...

In comment 13992682 Dave in Hoboken said:

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who comes into another teams' thread (big shock there!) looking for an argument. It's funny, other Mets fans post in Yankee threads and it goes fine. Not you, though. Your anger about both teams just takes over every single time.

Boo fucking hoo. I wasn’t looking for an argument. You are just always looking for one. You can read anger if you want, but you’d be wrong. I’ll bow out because you just want to fight or whatever.

PaulN - not trying to stir anything up with you. Sorry if you took it that way.

In comment 13992675 bigbluehoya said:

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Now you’re dreaming.

Seriously, dreaming for sure.

Just look at the recent mid season/deadline trades for top pitchers, eg Chapman,Miller, Sale, and Quintana. Did any of them require teams to give up a young, top major league players to complete the deal? Not to my knowledge.

Hell, the Yanks wanted Shwarber (sp) from the Cubs for Chapman but settled (lol) for Torres being the main piece.

In comment 13992687 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13992682 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: who comes into another teams' thread (big shock there!) looking for an argument. It's funny, other Mets fans post in Yankee threads and it goes fine. Not you, though. Your anger about both teams just takes over every single time. Boo fucking hoo. I wasn’t looking for an argument. You are just always looking for one. You can read anger if you want, but you’d be wrong. I’ll bow out because you just want to fight or whatever. PaulN - not trying to stir anything up with you. Sorry if you took it that way.

Wrong. All I said is the Yankees and Mets won't trade with eachother. You then made it a point in your very next post to point out that Yankee fans had Sanchez pegged as the next Babe Ruth. That is looking to start an argument *in* a Yankees thread, especially. Not surprised you can't see that, though.

In comment 13992676 adamg said:

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I'm super pumped to see him come up. Cash made it sound like he's definitely going to make a deal for a starter. But would it be that crazy to ride the youth the whole way?

I agree. At least wait it out and see where we are in a month. Tanaka will be back. Who really knows what we have in Lasagna or German for that matter. Don't make a trade just to make a trade. Boston is finally playing against tougher competition. There is 6 weeks left before we have to pull the trigger.

I’m the biggest Yankee homer there is and also wouldn’t trade Torres for basically anyone at this point. But the fact if the matter is, it absolutely WOULD take more than just Torres to land deGrom. And likely much more. And that’s why this trade just is not happening. Of course the Mets are going to want a Yankees tax on top of it, but any team in baseball shopping a top 5 SP that is cost controlled for a couple of more seasons is going to ask for Torres plus. I certainly don’t agree with it, but that’s the going rate for an ace.

And that’s why it’s not happening.

In comment 13992696 mitch300 said:

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In comment 13992676 adamg said: Quote: I'm super pumped to see him come up. Cash made it sound like he's definitely going to make a deal for a starter. But would it be that crazy to ride the youth the whole way? I agree. At least wait it out and see where we are in a month. Tanaka will be back. Who really knows what we have in Lasagna or German for that matter. Don't make a trade just to make a trade. Boston is finally playing against tougher competition. There is 6 weeks left before we have to pull the trigger.

This is my thinking as well. In fact I'd be more interested right now in looking at another top reliever while it looks like we can get by starter wise from within.

Both those guys have shown they deserve the chance. Their swing and miss stuff along with their composure makes me think they'll only get better with experience.

Is that they are all on very restrictive innings limits. Even Sheffield. That goes for German and Lasagna too. There is no way they can continue to pitch every fifth day and not be shutdown later in the season. Managing their innings is going to be very tricky, if not impossible, for them to be big contributors in October

Tanaka coming back, they can skip one of them, in September they could miss a few starts. Plus, in the post season you only use 4 starters. I just don't see anyone out there that will make a big difference that we will be able to get without giving up At least Andujare.

In comment 13992705 BigBlueShock said:

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Is that they are all on very restrictive innings limits. Even Sheffield. That goes for German and Lasagna too. There is no way they can continue to pitch every fifth day and not be shutdown later in the season. Managing their innings is going to be very tricky, if not impossible, for them to be big contributors in October

Definitely good points but I'd like to see a status quo until Tanaka comes back. Then manage these two guys with maybe Sheffield thrown in til we get close to the deadline and see how it shakes out from there.

I'm not thinking these guys can get us to the finish line, just don't want to make a move now for the sake of making a move. Who knows who becomes available in a month to six weeks? I think they've shown enough to ride them for a bit

Let's get the series win!

Gardner
Judge
Gregorius
Stanton
Sanchez
Bird
Hicks
Andujar
Torres

In comment 13992678 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13992675 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Now you’re dreaming. Only to Yankee fans are we “dreaming”. Again, 46 games. Remember when you all had Sanchez pinned as the next Babe Ruth after his first 20 games? That’s fine...good luck.

Isn’t it a little inconsistent to insist on Torres (plus!) being in the deal and then be like “slow your role it’s only 40 games guys lol Yankees fans...”? Very self-serving.

There isn’t a respectable GM in the league right now who would trade away Torres in a deal for DeGrom. Even the Mets-obsessed NY radio hosts...they all say “the Mets should ask for Torres” and in the very next breath they say “the yanks will never do that”. It’s not just Yankees fans.

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Sanchez is a fucking monster throwing out these guys...

In comment 13992732 bceagle05 said:

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Good point. Still. Sanchez has a gun.

that he didn’t even stand up to make that throw.

Sevy on the mound, Sanchez behind the plate, Torres at second - and plenty of others. Just insane.

In comment 13992736 bigbluehoya said:

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that he didn’t even stand up to make that throw.

Here I thought he was Babe Ruth...

In comment 13992726 adamg said:

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Gardner Judge Gregorius Stanton Sanchez Bird Hicks Andujar Torres

Man, I like the looks of that.

Really long lineup and any one of those guys could be enough to carry a team to a win on any given day. When a guy like Hicks is probably the weakest link, I think you've got a heck of a nice lineup.

I know Gary is struggling at the plate and has some trouble with blocking balls in the dirt, but damn he's got a gun. Great tag by Gleyber.

But he's through two scoreless with 24 pitches.

Why did the Rays pull Stanek so early in the game?

In comment 13992754 Beer Man said:

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Why did the Rays pull Stanek so early in the game?

He's a reliever. That's how they've used him. HE averages less than 2 IP per start...

Just needs to stop trying to crush and pull everything.

Like they said the other night. He's not going to hit .300 this year but try to hit .300 from here on.

2 out double. 34th RBI of the year

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His BABIP coming into today was .197. His BABIP last year was .304 and .317 in 2016. He’s actually walking at a 5% higher rate this year and his power (ISO) isn’t far off last year year. The only batted ball stat that really stands out as different this year is infield flies, which are up well over 100% this year. He’ll start squaring those balls up sooner or later and when he does, well that’s just unfair to the rest of the league.

Yeah, we'll keep him.

:)

In comment 13992756 adamg said:

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In comment 13992754 Beer Man said: Quote: Why did the Rays pull Stanek so early in the game? He's a reliever. That's how they've used him. HE averages less than 2 IP per start...

Ahhhhh. Rather unconventional approach.