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Phil Simms 513 yards passing vs Bengals

RobCrossRiver56 : 6/17/2018 8:36 pm

No yards after the catch all day, only one pass over 30 yards. Phil Simms go's 513 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT in a loss to Cincinnati

Might be the toughest 513 passing yards I've ever seen

Enjoy..
Phil 513 vs Bengals - ( New Window )
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RobCrossRiver56 : 6/17/2018 8:38 pm : link
Phil, If you don't throw at least 2 interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances !!

PB
cool, thanks for posting -  
Del Shofner : 6/17/2018 8:53 pm : link
my arm feels tired after watching that. Simms was quite a QB.
that  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/17/2018 9:04 pm : link
was a painful loss in a season of painful losses. To this day, the two Dallas losses that year are two of the most devastating that I witnessed.
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madgiantscow009 : 6/17/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13993273 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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Phil, If you don't throw at least 2 interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances !!

PB


I miss Pill Barcells.
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old man : 6/17/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13993281 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 13993273 RobCrossRiver56 said:


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Phil, If you don't throw at least 2 interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances !!

PB



I miss Pill Barcells.


Too me!
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sxdxca : 6/17/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13993273 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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Phil, If you don't throw at least 2 interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances !!

PB


Yeah who is PB?

you must mean BP right? Bill Parcells?

I think you got that one backwards...
RE: that  
Matt in SGS : 6/17/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13993280 Eric from BBI said:
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was a painful loss in a season of painful losses. To this day, the two Dallas losses that year are two of the most devastating that I witnessed.


I still maintain 1988 was worse, at least they made the playoffs in 1985. But I still have visions of friggin Too Tall Jones and Jim Jeffcoat from that year.
Matt in SGS  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/17/2018 9:29 pm : link
'88 was bad too, but the Giants just blew too many games in '85 they had in the bag. The first Dallas game on Monday night they came from behind for what should have been a win, then Bart Oates and Simms botch the exchange when running out the clock.

Don't get me started on the game in Dallas.
RE: that  
djm : 6/17/2018 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13993280 Eric from BBI said:
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was a painful loss in a season of painful losses. To this day, the two Dallas losses that year are two of the most devastating that I witnessed.


No doubt. The dallas losses had a weird shitty Philly loss vibe to them that year. Giants really had no business losing the division title that year but it wasn’t their year anyway. 85 bears were all but preordained and just dominant....
They were A LOT better  
bluepepper : 6/17/2018 10:32 pm : link
than Dallas that year. No way they shouldn't have won the division. At the time I felt near despair as it felt like they would never conquer the Cowboys.

Silver lining: they had to play in the Wild Card game and for the first time they beat the Walsh 49ers. Pretty easily too. Had they won the division they would have played the Rams and a win over the Rams would have been meh. They needed to prove they could beat the Niners to take the next step. I felt real good about the future after that Wild Card game.
RE: They were A LOT better  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/17/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13993316 bluepepper said:
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than Dallas that year. No way they shouldn't have won the division. At the time I felt near despair as it felt like they would never conquer the Cowboys.

Silver lining: they had to play in the Wild Card game and for the first time they beat the Walsh 49ers. Pretty easily too. Had they won the division they would have played the Rams and a win over the Rams would have been meh. They needed to prove they could beat the Niners to take the next step. I felt real good about the future after that Wild Card game.


^^^THIS^^^

The Giants were much, much better than Dallas that year.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/17/2018 10:53 pm : link
Too Tall play prepped me well for things like the 97 and 2002 playoff losses.
After so many years of 4-12, 6-10  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/17/2018 11:44 pm : link
I was not really eaten up by the tough losses in 1985. Sure as hell beat The Fumble.

And it’s the year they learned what it took to win. It set up 1986.
Only one of those passes was for  
MBavaro : 6/18/2018 6:05 am : link
a TD.
When I ever see or hear Phil and Boomer  
Bubba : 6/18/2018 6:12 am : link
together I always remember that game.
AND...Add this fact...  
Tark10 : 6/18/2018 6:35 am : link
It's amazing what a seasoned quarterback can do when he has an offensive line that can provide great pass protection. Eli would have flourished with that line!
I always counted the  
joeinpa : 6/18/2018 7:16 am : link
Argument that Eli is the best Giants quarterback ever, stated as if it is a fact, because I remember so well Simms and Y. A. T.

Eli s in the conversation, but so are those two guys, Simms probably more so because Tittle came to the Giant late in his career.
I've missed two games since 1981 that I've never watched  
JonC : 6/18/2018 7:17 am : link
This game and the upset of Denver in '98.
RE: AND...Add this fact...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/18/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 13993345 Tark10 said:
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It's amazing what a seasoned quarterback can do when he has an offensive line that can provide great pass protection. Eli would have flourished with that line!


Maybe. But what would Simms have done in a more passing-oriented offense, with no contact rules against DBs, and OBJ, Plexico and Hicks as his receivers...instead of Manual, Perkins, Gray and McConkey?
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x meadowlander : 6/18/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 13993364 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13993345 Tark10 said:


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It's amazing what a seasoned quarterback can do when he has an offensive line that can provide great pass protection. Eli would have flourished with that line!



Maybe. But what would Simms have done in a more passing-oriented offense, with no contact rules against DBs, and OBJ, Plexico and Hicks as his receivers...instead of Manual, Perkins, Gray and McConkey?
We got a taste of exactly that in 1993, when the Giants picked up Mike Sherrard. Speed and quickness like a gazelle with great hands, after 12 long years, Phil Simms finally had a legitimate threat at WR, and oh, there were plays. Opened up the offense.

But Sherrard was made of glass, oft-injured in his career in Dallas and S.F., on a play where he broke open and was running for the endzone untouched, his hip broke.

Until Toomers career blossomed, Giant fans didn't even know what a legit WR looked like. We hyped journeymen, average receivers like Earnest Gray, Lionel Manuel, Mark Ingraham would not have started on most rosters, role players like McConkey, Johnny Perkins, John Mistler would have had trouble even finding a spot on other teams.

Frankly, Simms made ALL of these guys better than they were.

I remember doing a comparison of Simms and Montana, comparing sacks. Phil Simms is lucky to have even survived FIVE years the rate he was getting creamed. That early 80's OL was run-oriented only. 3rd and longs were nightmares.
RE: After so many years of 4-12, 6-10  
bluepepper : 6/18/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13993330 Jim in Fairfax said:
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I was not really eaten up by the tough losses in 1985. Sure as hell beat The Fumble.

And it’s the year they learned what it took to win. It set up 1986.

By 1985 I was expecting more from the Giants. They had made the playoffs and won wild card games. Time to take the next step. Win the division and establish themselves as Super Bowl contenders. Teams built slowly in those days usually taking one step at a time. Even though the team was better in 1985 they didn't seem to have made the next step at least not until they beat the Niners WC weekend which did seem more impressive to me than beating the Rams the year before.
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x meadowlander : 6/18/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13993434 bluepepper said:
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In comment 13993330 Jim in Fairfax said:


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I was not really eaten up by the tough losses in 1985. Sure as hell beat The Fumble.

And it’s the year they learned what it took to win. It set up 1986.


By 1985 I was expecting more from the Giants. They had made the playoffs and won wild card games. Time to take the next step. Win the division and establish themselves as Super Bowl contenders. Teams built slowly in those days usually taking one step at a time. Even though the team was better in 1985 they didn't seem to have made the next step at least not until they beat the Niners WC weekend which did seem more impressive to me than beating the Rams the year before.
It was a dream, every step of the way.

From The Fumble to drafting Simms and LT, to picking up Rob Carpenter, then beating Dallas to claim a wildcard spot in 81 and BEATING the defending NFC-champ Eagles, to losing Ray Perkins and having Parcells first year suck and Simms-Brunner QB battles and the disastrous 83 season - to have out of that hope and rubble arise a playoff contender, to start beating Superbowl teams like the Niners, the Rams, the Redskins - to losing in Chicago in 85'...

The struggle of the 86' season, grinding out those wins, and finally, FINALLY becoming a powerhouse and laying waste to everything in their path.

To me, it was the greatest long-form sports event I ever witnessed, from Fumble to Lombardi, 7 drama-packed, amazing years.

And I was lucky enough to have a seat in that stadium for much of it.
A couple thoughts  
NYGmen58 : 6/18/2018 11:15 am : link
It was a thing of beauty watching a healthy Phil Simms play behind a good offensive line. On each of those plays, he knew exactly where to go with the ball, went through his progressions, and got rid of it quickly.

Also, just watching this is a sad remind of how much the game has declined in recent years. The game was so much better, crisper, tougher, and prettier to watch back then.
Those seam passes  
arniefez : 6/18/2018 11:35 am : link
No one threw them better than Phil Simms. Can you imagine the numbers he would have put up it if Bill Walsh was able to draft him? Injuries at the beginning and end of his career robbed Simms of his spot in the HOF but he was a HOF QB and talent.
Ernest Gray's breakout  
Chris L. : 6/18/2018 11:52 am : link
game. I think he had like 10 for 180 and 4 TD's or something like that.
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DieHard : 6/18/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13993322 Eric from BBI said:
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Too Tall play prepped me well for things like the 97 and 2002 playoff losses.


I haven't watched the '85 Dallas games since I saw them live, but I will always loathe Jim Jeffcoat. How the hell did he happen to be 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage when the pass was tipped? So he gets rewarded for being completely out of the play? Grr...
Countered not counted  
joeinpa : 6/18/2018 1:47 pm : link
Hate auto correct
Fun to remember what a beast Bavaro was....  
kinard : 6/18/2018 1:48 pm : link
... 12 catches 176 yards. Not bad for a tight-end playing in his 6th NFL game.
The 85 Giants had some painful games they should have won  
hassan : 6/18/2018 4:10 pm : link
both Dallas games.

loss to Cinci was a matter of team sleepwalking in first half and then a furious comeback.

The Cleveland game was one of the worst losses I can remember to date.

The Redskins loss on Monday night that ended Theismann's career was also a tough one.

And the GB loss was tight.

Of course they won a lot of tight ones like @Eagles, Bucs and Rams but seems like they should have been better than 10-6--in fact, good argument could be made they were the second best team in the league that year.
RE: that  
short lease : 6/18/2018 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13993280 Eric from BBI said:
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was a painful loss in a season of painful losses. To this day, the two Dallas losses that year are two of the most devastating that I witnessed.


If it didn't kill them... It made them stronger ; ). We won the SB the next season.
Simms was and is underrated  
Paulie Walnuts : 6/19/2018 10:08 am : link
as a QB... he'll be forever "My Guy"
RE: RE: RE: After so many years of 4-12, 6-10  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13993444 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 13993434 bluepepper said:
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It was a dream, every step of the way.

From The Fumble to drafting Simms and LT, to picking up Rob Carpenter, then beating Dallas to claim a wildcard spot in 81 and BEATING the defending NFC-champ Eagles, to losing Ray Perkins and having Parcells first year suck and Simms-Brunner QB battles and the disastrous 83 season - to have out of that hope and rubble arise a playoff contender, to start beating Superbowl teams like the Niners, the Rams, the Redskins - to losing in Chicago in 85'...

The struggle of the 86' season, grinding out those wins, and finally, FINALLY becoming a powerhouse and laying waste to everything in their path.

To me, it was the greatest long-form sports event I ever witnessed, from Fumble to Lombardi, 7 drama-packed, amazing years.

And I was lucky enough to have a seat in that stadium for much of it.
x-meadowlander, nice post, feel very much the same way. Each successive season during that decade or so, you began with tempered but higher expectations, a little more bounce in your Giants' step, and then when Parcells really put his stamp on the team, along with LT (and Banks, Carson, Reasons), you felt damn good. The Bears were primed and ready and deserved it all in '85, but we were Crown Prince in waiting. Damn!
Bavaro was a beast.  
baadbill : 6/19/2018 3:26 pm : link
And what a joy 1985 was. The Giants were a dominant team. I had watched since the 1960s - through the 70s' Then The Fumble. The single most important play in Giants sports in my lifetime. It started a process. George Young. Phil Simms. LT. 1981 playoffs. Year after year of very steady improvement. Watching an artist (George Young) build his lifetime achievement.

And by the end of 1985 it was clear. This was a dynasty (and that is the sole thing that saddens me - the team that dominated that next season ending with the 86 SB - that team should have won 4-5 SB, not 2... but the damn strike fucked everything up).

Watching that clip of Simms brought back such wonderful memories. Thank you.
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