-MiB appears to be a host whose consciousness has been downloaded from William. At least that’s what his profile shows when his wife displays it on their computer. He is: “Subject 2” so we can presume that he is the second attempt after James Delos. If so it raise questions about what he has been searching for all along and what is the game he’s been driven to play. But it also explains why he was able to survive all the gunshots from Ep7 that should have been fatal. The fact that her husband was less of the William she fell in love with and more of an evil, theme park creation looks to be the cause of his wife’s suicide.
-In what seems to be a mistake driven by MiB’s hatred of Ford and wanting to stop being manipulated in “Ford’s game” MiB kills his daughter Emily who he thought was a host sent by Ford. The Emily host could not have known things about his profile-of which he had told no one-but then he finds his profile card in her hands after he shoots her. It’s left to be seen if he actually shot his real daughter who was only trying to save him from himself or another manipulation.
-One cool reveal: Cowboy hats are brain scanners.
-Teddy’s dead, again. In apparent conflict between his love for Deloris and not being able to live with the monster that she has turned him into (and the monster that she has turned into), he ends it all.
-Bernard appears to delete the Ford package from his system, but we’ll see.
-Clementine is a new weapon for Delos and Charlotte.
-For the second week we have a main character express deep feelings for Maeve as she lays on the gurney apparently dying. Last week Sizemore, this week Ford-who it turns out sees Maeve as his favorite creation and has love for her as a daughter. Looks like the “go to the mainland” code we saw on Bernard’s pad from S1 was Fords way of protecting Maeve but she defied it to save her daughter. Ford is visibly upset by the condition that Maeve is in but gives her the instructions to comeback and fight on. I guess this is similar to the verbal commands he said to Teddy when he was sitting at the bar room table with Ford and MiB in S1. A depleted Teddy was able to rejuvenate himself after a Ford command. Looks from the previews that Maeve will be up and kicking ass next week.
On to the S2 finale.
The whole MiB story line is not that compelling to me this season for some reason. I just don't find the MiB as interesting as Ford trying to help the hosts escape and the hosts waking up to their situation.
Many board members and employees have been slaughtered. Yet, no one for the outside world has showed up to ask any questions.
Don't the guards or para-military guys have families that have a slight interest in them returning home after work?
Many board members and employees have been slaughtered. Yet, no one for the outside world has showed up to ask any questions.
Don't the guards or para-military guys have families that have a slight interest in them returning home after work?
True. I take it in this time of the WW parks there is no press/social media?
But when he’s done and Elsie sees him he just decides to cut off the zip tie with a knife. What good was the zip tie as a restraint if he always had the option to cut it off?
I'm still not over these guys attacking the cowboy fortress in dune buggies. Get an armored vehicle, a Bradley or Stryker, hell, an up armored HumVee would have done the trick.
It's been a strange season -- there's been some interesting ideas and moments, but character and plot points don't seem to have much weight. Teddy's big decision is only hinted at with two very brief scenes. The Native American subplot is cool, but why wait until Episode 8 to delve into it? One minute Ford is saying that it's not his story anymore, and the next he's basically pushing Bernard and Maeve forward. The biggest secret of the season (what's in the valley beyond) is just tossed out by Bernard in conversation? Maybe next week ties up a lot of this stuff, but I'm still guessing about what the point of it all is, unlike season 1.
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a 70something year old man who's been shot about 5 times can swipe a weapon from one of them and kill them all?
I'm still not over these guys attacking the cowboy fortress in dune buggies. Get an armored vehicle, a Bradley or Stryker, hell, an up armored HumVee would have done the trick.
They didn't have any of those vehicles or many men for that matter. The attack on the fort was before any back-up or rescue team arrived. If there were going to get any help they needed to secure Abernathy. It was purley a desperation move by Charlotte and the remaining security in the park.
The whole point of the attck was to make a distraction in order to nab Abernathy, so can could persaude Delos to send in reinforcements (and maybe some humvees or whatever). It was working fine (only a few were shot down by the confederates) until Delores sprung her trap. Still, I bet Charlotte work call it a success. She got Abernathy, could start to extract the data, and got a larger security team to arrive.
Well you're leaving out the important detail that the security team that came upon them recognized him as "the boss" - thus why they're not expecting him to suddenly grab a gun and start shooting.
People seem to misunderstand that the teams/mercs/soldiers out there in the the time since the massacre is not Delos' top response team. Its been mentioned several times that Delos would not send in proper rescue and reinforcements until Abernathy's unit was recovered.
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a 70something year old man who's been shot about 5 times can swipe a weapon from one of them and kill them all?
Well you're leaving out the important detail that the security team that came upon them recognized him as "the boss" - thus why they're not expecting him to suddenly grab a gun and start shooting.
People seem to misunderstand that the teams/mercs/soldiers out there in the the time since the massacre is not Delos' top response team. Its been mentioned several times that Delos would not send in proper rescue and reinforcements until Abernathy's unit was recovered.
Couple things:
1) Mall cops defending an attack on the food court would have done a more effective job than WW security teams
2) Even in the later timeline when I pressume the forces led by the Irish commando were from Delso and took over during Deloris's attack, they didn't fare any better.
Die Hard, I agree
For me the show is at a cross roads. Last season was great. I was excited that they took the 1973 movie and amped it up with modern special effects and modern concepts. It raised ethical and moral questions like: What does it mean to be sentient and do humans have the right create lifelike beings with memories in order to kill and torture them for the sake of entertainment.
This season the Nolan’s have gone a different way with the rebellion. IMO, some of it works and some does not. But they have also taken the multiple timelines technique which was used as a clever twist in S1 and made it the core of S2. I don’t think it works that well as the primary focus of the show. It is both confusing and seems to replace real plot/story development in order to be tricky. It’s almost like the Nolan’s have sold the shows soul just to outwit the Reddit crowd.
We’ll see if things get better for S3. My guess is if things stay the same as S2, S4 is in jeopardy.
It's been a strange season -- there's been some interesting ideas and moments, but character and plot points don't seem to have much weight. Teddy's big decision is only hinted at with two very brief scenes. The Native American subplot is cool, but why wait until Episode 8 to delve into it? One minute Ford is saying that it's not his story anymore, and the next he's basically pushing Bernard and Maeve forward. The biggest secret of the season (what's in the valley beyond) is just tossed out by Bernard in conversation? Maybe next week ties up a lot of this stuff, but I'm still guessing about what the point of it all is, unlike season 1.
DieHard, I agree
For me the show is at a cross roads. Last season was great. I was excited that they took the 1973 movie and amped it up with modern special effects and modern concepts. It raised ethical and moral questions like: What does it mean to be sentient and do humans have the right create lifelike beings with memories in order to kill and torture them for the sake of entertainment?
This season the Nolan’s have gone a different way with the rebellion. IMO, some of it works and some does not. But they have also taken the multiple timelines technique which was used as a clever twist in S1 and made it the core of S2. I don’t think it works that well as the primary focus of the show. It is both confusing and seems to abandon real plot/story development in order to be tricky. It’s almost like the Nolan’s have sold the shows soul just to outwit the Reddit crowd.
We’ll see if things get better for S3. My guess is if things stay the same as S2, S4 is in jeopardy.
Same here. Season 1 was good, but I watched 2 episodes this season and gave up on it. The timeline jumping turned me off altogether. Trying to guess what I'm watching and when it's happening does nothing for me. If I have to scrutinize past episodes for clues in a Reddit thread I'm out.
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They completely lost me this season
Same here. Season 1 was good, but I watched 2 episodes this season and gave up on it. The timeline jumping turned me off altogether. Trying to guess what I'm watching and when it's happening does nothing for me. If I have to scrutinize past episodes for clues in a Reddit thread I'm out.
Yup, even Ed Harris has stated he watches the episodes this season and has no idea whats going on
Yeah you could be right. When I posted that in starting the thread yesterday I thought that what the show was leaning to with the memory card-especially the subject 002 reference at the top of the screen that his wife was watching-was that he was a host.
But none of the reviews have mentioned it and they seem to feel it was more just the tracking of his memories and atrocious behavior which showed pure evil at the park and that is why his wife offed herself.
To me having MiB be a host (or copied consciousness) would explain some of stuff like the countless gun shots he took, but I've been wrong with this show before.
I don't think he's a bot, though. If he were, Ford could control him, couldn't he?
Yes, but so did Bernard.
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by the Delos security and he came up as human?
Hmm must have forgot that. I hope he is not a host. They pulled that with Bernard and that was sufficient for me.
Yes, but so did Bernard.
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by the Delos security and he came up as human?
Yes, but so did Bernard.
Hmm must have forgot that. I hope he is not a host. They pulled that with Bernard and that was sufficient for me.
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by the Delos security and he came up as human?
Yes, but so did Bernard.
No, he didn't. His thumb print contained DNA though, we see that as he enters the secret outpost with Charlotte.
MIB isn't a host, he just thinks he is. He's questioning his own reality just like the hosts did.
They loved each other in the beginning, I wonder if this is a long drawn out story to get them back together. It was originally forbidden love.
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the MIB is a host.
Yeah you could be right. When I posted that in starting the thread yesterday I thought that what the show was leaning to with the memory card-especially the subject 002 reference at the top of the screen that his wife was watching-was that he was a host.
But none of the reviews have mentioned it and they seem to feel it was more just the tracking of his memories and atrocious behavior which showed pure evil at the park and that is why his wife offed herself.
To me having MiB be a host (or copied consciousness) would explain some of stuff like the countless gun shots he took, but I've been wrong with this show before.
Subject 2 could just refer to the second subject being captured in the cloud they are all traveling too. It would be fitting that Delos was #1 and William was #2 since he took over the company when Delos passed away.
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by the Delos security and he came up as human?
Yes, but so did Bernard.
No, he didn't. His thumb print contained DNA though, we see that as he enters the secret outpost with Charlotte.
MIB isn't a host, he just thinks he is. He's questioning his own reality just like the hosts did.
MiB was scanned for Restraint Ordinance and came up clear, so at least we know he doesn’t have the explosive device in his spine. Regardless, him being a host in very unlikely IMO.