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SGMen : 6/18/2018 8:34 am
what would you do?

1. Just follow the doctor's orders and push through?

2 Follow the doctor's orders for chemotherapy but also I'd take on a holistic lifestyle of just organic vegetables & fruits; organic herbal Chaga & herbal teas; Chaga tincture; Ceylon cinnamon, clean purified water, sunlight, etc.

I'd do #2 of course so it boggles my mind that a friend isn't considering the herbal path. She has the desire to live, for sure.

Thoughts? Experiences??
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 6/18/2018 8:44 am : link
Have no experience so obviously spit balling.

Isn't option #2 more of a preventative stance? Meaning eat that way always and your chances of cancer are lessened.

Once the cancer is there, I'm not so sure it makes a difference.

Obviously speaking with zero experience
Should I do the medical treatments only?  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/18/2018 8:49 am : link
Or should I do the medical treatments and the bullshit treatments?

Hard choice. I'd have to think about it.
I'd do what the doctor  
rebel yell : 6/18/2018 8:49 am : link
tells me to do. If I questioned it, I'd a second opinion, which would likely be the same as the first. I'm not a big believer in holistic healing.I've not seen enough evidence that it does much of anything. But maybe others have.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13993370 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Have no experience so obviously spit balling.

Isn't option #2 more of a preventative stance? Meaning eat that way always and your chances of cancer are lessened.

Once the cancer is there, I'm not so sure it makes a difference.

Obviously speaking with zero experience
#2 is both preventative and prescriptive meaning it definitely helps your body heal easier when your "diet" is clean. Chaga, for example, is known to help cancer patients due to its anti-oxidant make-up which is superb.

I guess what I'm asking is whether people are "scared" to do things outside of the "generally accepted western medicine" approaches which we KNOW can hurt as much as they help you. I know many folks who were stage 0 to even 4 who healed with a holistic approach. I'd never tell someone not to do chemotherapy as I am not an MD; however, I would really strongly suggest a "WHOLE PERSON" healing approach if I or someone I love were diagnosed with CANCER.
I'm  
AcidTest : 6/18/2018 8:51 am : link
sorry for your friend. Best wishes and prayers to her.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13993376 AcidTest said:
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sorry for your friend. Best wishes and prayers to her.
Thanks. We grew up together, kindergarten through HS.

Prayers are always appreciated!
RE: Should I do the medical treatments only?  
SGMen : 6/18/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13993372 Gary from The East End said:
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Or should I do the medical treatments and the bullshit treatments?

Hard choice. I'd have to think about it.
Both choices include chemo but choice #2 involves going "an extra mile" and not feeding your body with anything it wasn't designed to handle.

Interested in knowing why you think it is "bullshit"? Not looking for arguments just thoughts, experiences, etc.
probably more important than adding all that stuff  
ron mexico : 6/18/2018 8:58 am : link
is cutting out the other crap they may be putting in their body
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13993380 ron mexico said:
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is cutting out the other crap they may be putting in their body
yes, with choice #2 you are removing all non-organic stuff with organic, clean foods, water. Sugar is #1 on the remove list.
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ron mexico : 6/18/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 13993386 SGMen said:
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In comment 13993380 ron mexico said:


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is cutting out the other crap they may be putting in their body

yes, with choice #2 you are removing all non-organic stuff with organic, clean foods, water. Sugar is #1 on the remove list.


I wouldn't get too hung up on the "organic" tag.

Eating a simply prepared non organic chicken breast is still way better than eating overly processed food.
Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience with chemo/radiation  
Tom [Giants fan] : 6/18/2018 9:14 am : link
treatments. Not for myself but my father, mother, grandmother, and two aunts have all had/have. or have died from cancer. One of my aunts is going through this right now with lung cancer. She is actually considering coming off the treatments because they are making her so sick. Cancer is awful and the treatments aren't much better.
Oh yeah......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 6/18/2018 9:15 am : link
my former boss died last year from cancer and she tried the holistic approach. It didn't work at all for her. But I would think everyone is different as there are so many different types of cancer.
She should follow  
Pete in MD : 6/18/2018 9:18 am : link
the chemotherapy regimen and everything else should be whatever keeps her as comfortable and happy as possible. Chemo is tough on people and many just want to give up at some point. If adopting a holistic lifestyle makes someone feel better than go for it. If it feels like an additional burden, there's no reason to add that to an already difficult time IMO.
There's no scientific evidence for any of this  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/18/2018 9:23 am : link
I'll refer you to the Sloan Kettering website

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No clinical trials have been conducted to assess chaga’s safety and efficacy for disease prevention or for the treatment of cancer, cardiovascular disease, or diabetes.


And even if Chaga does potentially have some healing properties, you face the same problem with any kind of supplement or herbal remedy, you have no idea if what you're buying is real or of good quality. You're buying an expensive product from unregulated vendors and then putting it in your body.
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RE: Should I do the medical treatments only?  
Eli Wilson : 6/18/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13993372 Gary from The East End said:
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Or should I do the medical treatments and the bullshit treatments?

Hard choice. I'd have to think about it.


SGMen... This is the answer to your question. A lot of people think like Gary do. I happen to not, since my sister did exactly as you mentioned and has been cancer free for 10 years. To each their own, I guess.
for every opinion one way  
UESBLUE : 6/18/2018 9:27 am : link
youll get one in the other. Granted it was 35 yrs ago but my friends' dad tried the holistic peach pit Mexico stuff and was dead within months. Personally Id go with a top Drs advice.
you sound  
lightemup : 6/18/2018 9:28 am : link
like one of those annoying friends that keep trying to push something onto her you think works. I've been diagnosed with MS for a little over a year now. When i told people about it, I had a bunch of people in my life trying to tell me things i should be doing based off a little research they've done on the disease. It gets pretty annoying quickly

I appreciated people cared about me enough to do the research, as i believe your friend appreciates you, but stop trying to push this holistic lifestyle on her.Let the doctors do what they know and follow their orders
#2 for sure  
BigBlue2112 : 6/18/2018 9:31 am : link
also cut sugar completely as cancer cells require sugar to grow.
RE: #2 for sure  
Pete in MD : 6/18/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13993402 BigBlue2112 said:
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also cut sugar completely as cancer cells require sugar to grow.

Every cell needs sugar (in some form) to grow.
RE: #2 for sure  
DennyInDenville : 6/18/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13993402 BigBlue2112 said:
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also cut sugar completely as cancer cells require sugar to grow.

And highly alkaline water. Nothing but 8.0 PH and up.

To answer the Op.

I'm very sorry about your friend, I count blessings everyday and thankful for health, and it's hard to tell you what I would do if it was me as I try not to think to much into detail about that kind of stuff (anxious brain here) but to answer your question, gun to my head yes I would try the Holistic approach on top of the Doctors orders. However I would still eat whatever i wanted as I'm sure It's very tough to eat. I would just try "paw paw" some other natural stuff, maybe some super foods and definitely all highly alkaline water 24/7 would be one thing I would think todo but again, my attitude could change a ton in that situation so I really can't say for certain

I really just came by to offer my best regards
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13993407 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 13993402 BigBlue2112 said:


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also cut sugar completely as cancer cells require sugar to grow.


Every cell needs sugar (in some form) to grow.
I'm talking a out cheap, refined sugars and high fructose corn syrup. Fruits are fine.
I'm just glad that both options include following the doctors orders  
Heisenberg : 6/18/2018 9:53 am : link
The second option could maybe have a nice placebo effect if she buys into it. Let her do whatever the hell she wants though.
Beyond that, I'll just leave this here: Tim Minchin - Storm - ( New Window )
RE: She should follow  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13993393 Pete in MD said:
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the chemotherapy regimen and everything else should be whatever keeps her as comfortable and happy as possible. Chemo is tough on people and many just want to give up at some point. If adopting a holistic lifestyle makes someone feel better than go for it. If it feels like an additional burden, there's no reason to add that to an already difficult time IMO.


This is the correct answer IMO. Chemo plus whatever makes her comfortable and happy. Including where she receives he treatments. Pretty much all chemo meds are FDA approved so they can be administered just about anywhere.

I know when my daughter was going through her battle the Dr said how she takes the 1st rd of treatments will pretty much be how her body handles the rest of treatments. They kept her in patient for the 1st rd to be sure there weren't any major complications and then she received the rest as an outpatient. Which was perfect because she got to go home, put her feet in the ocean, play with the dog, sleep in her own bed, and do whatever else made her happy and comfortable.

A positive frame of mind is super important when battling this fucking disease.
On a marginally related note  
NoPeanutz : 6/18/2018 10:08 am : link
This morning I finished "The Emperor of All Maladies" by Mukherjee. Highly recommended for anybody whose imagination is unsettled or disquieted by the disease.
whatever you do  
bluepepper : 6/18/2018 10:11 am : link
don't lecture her on #2. That's the last thing I'd want to hear from a friend if I had cancer.
The last thing a person with a cancer diagnosis wants...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/18/2018 10:13 am : link
...is someone coming at them with all this nonsense.

If they ask for your suggestions and advice, then go ahead and give it to them. If they don't, keep your mouth shut and support them in the way they ask you to.
cancer  
Pete in Yokosuka : 6/18/2018 10:15 am : link
I am not an oncologist or a doctor but have sufficient experience in dealing with cancer to make a suggestion. Have your friend discuss every change in diet and supplementation with the oncologist. Cancer turns your world upside down in more ways than one and actions regarding diet that seem perfectly sound when you are well may be counterproductive once the cancer has taken root. Ask the doctor.

Sorry to hear about your friend's troubles. Be as supportive as you can but be aware that chemo and radiation beat the hell out of the body. So if you visit and are suddenly asked to leave take no offense but visit when you can. The afflicted need all the moral support they can get.
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charlito : 6/18/2018 10:38 am : link
Friend should ask the doctor if they would take Chemotherapy, if they had cancer. I tried to tell my uncle who had cancer and went ahead with chemotherapy to Change to a healthy lifestyle instead. Even gave him a good book ' Demystifying Cancer', but he followed doctors orders and died within a year. People forget how amazing the human body is.
I'd advise her to do some research....  
Tesla : 6/18/2018 10:43 am : link
on the positive effects of fasting before her chemo treatments. Fasting and/or a ketogenic diet could also help to defeat the cancer depending on which types of cancer it is.

While I very much trust doctors and would follow their advice, the truth is that most doctors receive almost no training in nutrition.
RE: There's no scientific evidence for any of this  
SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13993397 Gary from The East End said:
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I'll refer you to the Sloan Kettering website



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No clinical trials have been conducted to assess chaga’s safety and efficacy for disease prevention or for the treatment of cancer, cardiovascular disease, or diabetes.



And even if Chaga does potentially have some healing properties, you face the same problem with any kind of supplement or herbal remedy, you have no idea if what you're buying is real or of good quality. You're buying an expensive product from unregulated vendors and then putting it in your body. Link - ( New Window )
There are entire groups dedicated to using chaga during chemotherapy. Folks facing cancer for the 2nd or 3rd time say the chaga kept them from losing their hair or having major skin issues.
I personally don't handle cancer patients myself. Also, I do question some studies (or lack thereof) since they are funded by groups that would not benefit from holistic healing protocols. All I am saying, things are not as "black & white" as some would like.
The chaga I use is the actually chaga right off the tree and brewed on very very low heat overnight. I also make tinctures of the chaga to get all the benefits.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13993419 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13993393 Pete in MD said:


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the chemotherapy regimen and everything else should be whatever keeps her as comfortable and happy as possible. Chemo is tough on people and many just want to give up at some point. If adopting a holistic lifestyle makes someone feel better than go for it. If it feels like an additional burden, there's no reason to add that to an already difficult time IMO.



This is the correct answer IMO. Chemo plus whatever makes her comfortable and happy. Including where she receives he treatments. Pretty much all chemo meds are FDA approved so they can be administered just about anywhere.

I know when my daughter was going through her battle the Dr said how she takes the 1st rd of treatments will pretty much be how her body handles the rest of treatments. They kept her in patient for the 1st rd to be sure there weren't any major complications and then she received the rest as an outpatient. Which was perfect because she got to go home, put her feet in the ocean, play with the dog, sleep in her own bed, and do whatever else made her happy and comfortable.

A positive frame of mind is super important when battling this fucking disease.
A positive frame of mind is the key!! My friend definitely believes she will beat cancer but is also realistic that the next 6 to 8 weeks of DAILY chemo will be a struggle. I don't even know what kind of cancer she has.

I posted this question on this forum as opposed to social media because my friends,followers (who include members of this site as I've been her for 20+ years - LOL) would skew the results as they know what I believe based on my experiences, studies, doctor consults galore.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13993437 charlito said:
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Friend should ask the doctor if they would take Chemotherapy, if they had cancer. I tried to tell my uncle who had cancer and went ahead with chemotherapy to Change to a healthy lifestyle instead. Even gave him a good book ' Demystifying Cancer', but he followed doctors orders and died within a year. People forget how amazing the human body is.
The human body is truly amazing. What you "feed" it, well, you can heal.
I believe in whole person healing approaches which consider the Spiritual (are you in right relationship with yourself, God and the world around you?); Physical (food, drink, sleep, meditation, exercise, sunlight, etc.); Mental (are your thoughts rational?); and, emotions (do you understand your feelings and own them or do they own you?).
My personal experience is that western medicines tend to focus on the SYMPTOM rather than the WHOLE and therefore ROOT CAUSES are often missed.
RE: I'd advise her to do some research....  
SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13993442 Tesla said:
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on the positive effects of fasting before her chemo treatments. Fasting and/or a ketogenic diet could also help to defeat the cancer depending on which types of cancer it is.

While I very much trust doctors and would follow their advice, the truth is that most doctors receive almost no training in nutrition.
I believe in intermittent fasting; fasting for 5 days on water only; and, ketogenic eating lifestyles. Not "year round" though evidence is mounting that ketogenic can be done for longer than short windows of time with zero health issues.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13993401 lightemup said:
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like one of those annoying friends that keep trying to push something onto her you think works. I've been diagnosed with MS for a little over a year now. When i told people about it, I had a bunch of people in my life trying to tell me things i should be doing based off a little research they've done on the disease. It gets pretty annoying quickly

I appreciated people cared about me enough to do the research, as i believe your friend appreciates you, but stop trying to push this holistic lifestyle on her.Let the doctors do what they know and follow their orders
Why would you assume I push anything? That NEVER works. You have to WANT it.
First, sorry to hear about your MS. I have two friends who had MS and were wheelchair bound but through lifestyle changes they are now healthy, active and enjoying life. Definitely check out the Wahl's protocol. She is truly brilliant and I've listened to her speak at medical conferences. Brilliant.
Note: I have two folks at my church that have MS. One is a combat veteran like myself and he can barely get around. The other is the wife of one of our elders. Neither of them would try the baby steps I offered AFTER they came to me for help. You have to WANT something and there are no guarantees in life with anything.
I wish you the best.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13993399 UESBLUE said:
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youll get one in the other. Granted it was 35 yrs ago but my friends' dad tried the holistic peach pit Mexico stuff and was dead within months. Personally Id go with a top Drs advice.
Oh yes, opinions definitely vary when it comes to health anything.

For example, we now know for sure that our gut microbiome (bacteria's) "speak" to our brain and our brain speaks to our gut. If our gut is messed up due to a diet filled with non-nourishing, non-nutritious foods and GMO's, we begin to lose the ability to absorb nutrients.

Just a theory, but I wouldn't doubt that the recent rise in depression has a bit to do with lifestyle changes that negatively impact us (ex. less sleep, poor diet, less if any exercise, little time in sunlight, too much caffeine, too many chemicals, pesticides and herbicides messing up our methylation systems. Etc.
I'm going to follow the expert's advice  
Bill L : 6/18/2018 11:23 am : link
and do chemo. That's what will work (or won't).

And, if I was at all concerned that the chemo wouldn't work, then I'm going the opposite route and cramming all of the deep fried food, steak and wings, beer, sex, and gambling that I can fit into my waking life.
GMO's??  
Bill L : 6/18/2018 11:25 am : link
maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.
motherfucking cancer... i cant stand the fact that  
GMAN4LIFE : 6/18/2018 11:34 am : link
cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck"

its a horrible disease.


FUCK YOU CANCER!
RE: GMO's??  
SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 13993486 Bill L said:
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maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.
Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said:
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cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck"

its a horrible disease.


FUCK YOU CANCER!
It is a terrible disease. My doctor thinks that "80% of the growth in cancer rates" over the last few decades can be attributed to lifestyle issues. I tend to agree. Everyone has cancer it is just a question of how your body fends it off (or not).

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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 12:01 pm : link
I'd try natural treatment and if that didn't work, so be it.

I wouldn't ever want to deal with months of radiation and chemo. I've seen people go through it close up and it looks absolutely horrible. I know it sounds fucking dark, but I'd rather just try every alternative and if nothing helped - well, I guess my time is up.
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Heisenberg : 6/18/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13993506 SGMen said:
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maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.

Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period.


He wrote "Period", guys. Sorry. It's over.
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Bill L : 6/18/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13993506 SGMen said:
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maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.

Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period.
Neither are vaccines.
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13993529 Bill L said:
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maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.

Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period.

Neither are vaccines.
I do believe kids get way too many vaccinations but again, this isn't my area.

One thing I do know is that there aren't many (or really any of merit) studies on the SYNERGISTIC effects of vaccines. And some of the ingredients in vaccines are simply BAD for the HUMAN BODY (ex. mercury).

There are huge groups of women who will tell you my "child was normal, even said words" and after being vaccinated he changed...and now is considered autistic. I don't really have an answer for this one.
Oh my goodness  
Bill L : 6/18/2018 12:10 pm : link
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SGMen : 6/18/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13993524 Heisenberg said:
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maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better.

Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period.



He wrote "Period", guys. Sorry. It's over.
At a medical conference in NYC this February, we discussed how the human body sees GMO's: simply put, they aren't food and the body attacks the invader at times. I mean, think about it, a bug crawls up a piece of corn, bites it, and its stomach explodes because the corn contains something (genetically modified) that does this (a protein or something). How can this be good for the human body?

I'm guessing that in as little as 5 years, the United States will finally smarten up and follow our European counterparts who don't care for GMO's. It is just not part of the "natural order of things". IMHO.
I can pretty much guarantee you  
Bill L : 6/18/2018 12:18 pm : link
that nobody in history has ever eaten anything that wasn't genetically modified.
Easy to see why you are boggled.  
WideRight : 6/18/2018 12:19 pm : link

Hold on to that day job as long as you can
And what was the medical conference?  
Bill L : 6/18/2018 12:19 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 12:20 pm : link
Yikes.
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