NFT: Cancer: If you had to do daily chemo/radiation for 6-8 weeks

In comment 13993523 arcarsenal said:

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I'd try natural treatment and if that didn't work, so be it. I wouldn't ever want to deal with months of radiation and chemo. I've seen people go through it close up and it looks absolutely horrible. I know it sounds fucking dark, but I'd rather just try every alternative and if nothing helped - well, I guess my time is up.

I'd do the combo of chemotherapy and adapt pure holistic lifestyle measures as well. I may not do chemo in certain situations I guess, but I haven't had to face them as a patient or with clients so ??? I'd NEVER tell a client not to follow their Dr.'s recommendations.

Steve Jobs take the holistic approach. I remember reading that if he was more aggressive he might still be alive.

In comment 13993547 SGMen said:

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At a medical conference in NYC this February, we discussed how the human body sees GMO's: simply put, they aren't food and the body attacks the invader at times. I mean, think about it, a bug crawls up a piece of corn, bites it, and its stomach explodes because the corn contains something (genetically modified) that does this (a protein or something). How can this be good for the human body? I'm guessing that in as little as 5 years, the United States will finally smarten up and follow our European counterparts who don't care for GMO's. It is just not part of the "natural order of things". IMHO.

This just gets better and better. Who was at this "medical conference"? Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine and Doctor Howard?

approaches.

I have many negative diagnoses from the Veteran's Administration after a 20 year career. Some physical injuries, some illness, some exposures which caused illness, etc.

ONLY a holistic approach helped. My labs in 2017 were so bad that one Dr. remarked "I am surprised you can walk...." but I took their suggestions and learned more and more about holistic approaches and employed the ones that I determined were best.

My 2018 labs, while not yet perfect of course, are a heck of a lot better than my 2017 lab results. We don't have to suffer. Simple lifestyle changes, even just one, can help one so much that when they feel it and see it working, they just want MORE positive in their life.

That is my basic story. Amen.

that's for sure.

In comment 13993566 Gary from The East End said:

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In comment 13993547 SGMen said: Quote: At a medical conference in NYC this February, we discussed how the human body sees GMO's: simply put, they aren't food and the body attacks the invader at times. I mean, think about it, a bug crawls up a piece of corn, bites it, and its stomach explodes because the corn contains something (genetically modified) that does this (a protein or something). How can this be good for the human body? I'm guessing that in as little as 5 years, the United States will finally smarten up and follow our European counterparts who don't care for GMO's. It is just not part of the "natural order of things". IMHO. This just gets better and better. Who was at this "medical conference"? Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine and Doctor Howard?

http://www.ihsymposium.com I have went to this event three straight years. I've learned more from Integrative medicine than any other area. God made us perfect and we need to sustain that perfection by staying as close to the natural order of things as possible. IMHO.

In comment 13993581 Bill L said:

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that's for sure.

It is often said that "Stress is the #1 killer" - I still believe that.

I am a big believer in "baby steps" when making lifestyle changes. When I go to the gym, for example, I notice every January quite a few overweight folks coming in. I truly admire this group but many quit before the miracle happens. If the mentality is realistic, there is less stress and more change for the better. Nice and easy. :)

In comment 13993551 Bill L said:

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http://www.ihsymposium.com
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In comment 13993584 SGMen said:

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In comment 13993581 Bill L said: Quote: that's for sure. It is often said that "Stress is the #1 killer" - I still believe that. I am a big believer in "baby steps" when making lifestyle changes. When I go to the gym, for example, I notice every January quite a few overweight folks coming in. I truly admire this group but many quit before the miracle happens. If the mentality is realistic, there is less stress and more change for the better. Nice and easy. :)

I was talking more about your placebo effect, but certainly stress has a large impact on health and multiple physiologic processes.

Picked the first name on the list, Jeffrey S. Bland, PhD, CNS, FACN, FACB.

Here's what Quackwatch has to say about him

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In 1991, the FTC charged that Bland and two of his corporations (HealthComm and Nu-Day Enterprises) had falsely claimed that their diet program could cause weight loss by changing consumers' metabolism and cause them to lose weight without exercising so that fat is lost as body heat instead of being stored. The Nu-Day Diet Program, which cost about $30 per week, included instructional materials, a meal-replacement formula, and a fiber-containing formula said to be a "natural appetite suppressant." The Nu-Day program was promoted with a 30-minute television program entitled "The Perfect Diet," which offered "amazing true stories of people like yourself losing 20, 30, 50 pounds or more, safely, quickly and naturally." Although the television program appeared to be an independent consumer news show that used interviews to report on its discovery of the Nu-Day Diet, it was actually a paid ad. The program identified Bland as "one of the nation's leading nutritional biochemists." The case was settled with a consent agreement in which Bland agreed to pay $30,000 for redress and to refrain from making the claims that had been challenged. The consent order also requires future programs of 15 minutes or longer to display messages identifying them as paid ads for the products offered [2]. In 1995, the FTC charged Bland and his companies with violating the consent order by making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims for several products. In addition, their UltraClear dietary program had been falsely claimed to reduce the incidence and severity of symptoms associated with gastrointestinal problems, inflammatory or immunologic problems, fatigue, food allergies, mercury exposure, kidney disorders, and rheumatoid arthritis. The settlement agreement included a $45,000 civil penalty [3].

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In comment 13993588 Bill L said:

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In comment 13993584 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 13993581 Bill L said: Quote: that's for sure. It is often said that "Stress is the #1 killer" - I still believe that. I am a big believer in "baby steps" when making lifestyle changes. When I go to the gym, for example, I notice every January quite a few overweight folks coming in. I truly admire this group but many quit before the miracle happens. If the mentality is realistic, there is less stress and more change for the better. Nice and easy. :) I was talking more about your placebo effect, but certainly stress has a large impact on health and multiple physiologic processes.

There can be a positive placebo effect, of course. Just BELIEVING can have a positive impact.
I am not a fan of taking 30 supplements because each one does something "good" for you and such. I don't have an issue with taking a quality multi-vitamin from time to time, but only take supplementation for things you know you NEED.
For example, I have two bad gene SNP's for Vitamin D so I tend to have low levels during the colder months of October through April. I supplement and take vitamin K with it from time to time to get maximum benefit. My levels are fine but you have to be careful with vitamin D as it is fat soluble. Too much is no good.

In comment 13993590 Gary from The East End said:

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Picked the first name on the list, Jeffrey S. Bland, PhD, CNS, FACN, FACB. Here's what Quackwatch has to say about him Quote: In 1991, the FTC charged that Bland and two of his corporations (HealthComm and Nu-Day Enterprises) had falsely claimed that their diet program could cause weight loss by changing consumers' metabolism and cause them to lose weight without exercising so that fat is lost as body heat instead of being stored. The Nu-Day Diet Program, which cost about $30 per week, included instructional materials, a meal-replacement formula, and a fiber-containing formula said to be a "natural appetite suppressant." The Nu-Day program was promoted with a 30-minute television program entitled "The Perfect Diet," which offered "amazing true stories of people like yourself losing 20, 30, 50 pounds or more, safely, quickly and naturally." Although the television program appeared to be an independent consumer news show that used interviews to report on its discovery of the Nu-Day Diet, it was actually a paid ad. The program identified Bland as "one of the nation's leading nutritional biochemists." The case was settled with a consent agreement in which Bland agreed to pay $30,000 for redress and to refrain from making the claims that had been challenged. The consent order also requires future programs of 15 minutes or longer to display messages identifying them as paid ads for the products offered [2]. In 1995, the FTC charged Bland and his companies with violating the consent order by making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims for several products. In addition, their UltraClear dietary program had been falsely claimed to reduce the incidence and severity of symptoms associated with gastrointestinal problems, inflammatory or immunologic problems, fatigue, food allergies, mercury exposure, kidney disorders, and rheumatoid arthritis. The settlement agreement included a $45,000 civil penalty [3]. Link - ( New Window )

Seems like a pretty legit guy to me!

At some point, I think you need to stop being hyperfocused on every single morsel you're putting into your body and just go live your goddamn life.

This constant over-analysis on every single little thing you eat or take or do probably becomes counterproductive at some point.

I do believe stress is awful for the human body, and I'd imagine that some of this stuff only indirectly creates more of it after a while.

I think holistic/natural remedies are wonderful - but people just go in so far and overcomplicate everything trying to perfect every single organ in their body and sometimes they forget to actually just let go and enjoy life for a while.

Believe it or not, balanced nutrition, exercise and basic healthy living is all most people need. The amount of pseudo-science and bullshit publications on the internet now is staggering and you can get so far down that rabbit hole that before you know it, you're taking 50 different supplements every day trying to "perfect" your own health and forget to just live.

Life is really short, and we're all going to die one way or another. Dedicating so much of your time to prolonging your life just seems counterintuitive sometimes.

I'm not saying to ignore your own health or not take care of yourself. Absolutely not. I just think people get so, so wrapped up in this shit sometimes thinking they can prevent everything and it's just not reality.

In comment 13993604 arcarsenal said:

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At some point, I think you need to stop being hyperfocused on every single morsel you're putting into your body and just go live your goddamn life. This constant over-analysis on every single little thing you eat or take or do probably becomes counterproductive at some point. I do believe stress is awful for the human body, and I'd imagine that some of this stuff only indirectly creates more of it after a while. I think holistic/natural remedies are wonderful - but people just go in so far and overcomplicate everything trying to perfect every single organ in their body and sometimes they forget to actually just let go and enjoy life for a while. Believe it or not, balanced nutrition, exercise and basic healthy living is all most people need. The amount of pseudo-science and bullshit publications on the internet now is staggering and you can get so far down that rabbit hole that before you know it, you're taking 50 different supplements every day trying to "perfect" your own health and forget to just live. Life is really short, and we're all going to die one way or another. Dedicating so much of your time to prolonging your life just seems counterintuitive sometimes. I'm not saying to ignore your own health or not take care of yourself. Absolutely not. I just think people get so, so wrapped up in this shit sometimes thinking they can prevent everything and it's just not reality.

Unfortunately, there are entire businesses dedicated to "selling you that detox, that supplement, that product" that will CHANGE your LIFE.

I once heard David Wolfe, a noted naturalist, reply to a question "David, how do you remember all this stuff!!!" and he replied "cause I LIVE it" - but the conversation ended with his saying just take away a few of his recommendations and see how you feel?

You can overthink things. I do "high performance" training with Brendon Burchard. I found it to be quite useful; however, you can't be dogmatic about it and expect success. There are good habits and there are bad habits. Finding what works best for you is ultimately the goal. So we agree. :)

In comment 13993539 SGMen said:

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In comment 13993529 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13993506 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 13993486 Bill L said: Quote: maybe we should forgo vaccination as well and we will get better. Genetically Modified Organisms are NOT good for you. Period. Neither are vaccines. I do believe kids get way too many vaccinations but again, this isn't my area. One thing I do know is that there aren't many (or really any of merit) studies on the SYNERGISTIC effects of vaccines. And some of the ingredients in vaccines are simply BAD for the HUMAN BODY (ex. mercury). There are huge groups of women who will tell you my "child was normal, even said words" and after being vaccinated he changed...and now is considered autistic. I don't really have an answer for this one.

The answer is that those women are morons. Millions have been wasted studying the link between vaccines and autism and proven that their is NO link. Anyone that tells you otherwise is an idiot.

In comment 13993598 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13993590 Gary from The East End said: Quote: Picked the first name on the list, Jeffrey S. Bland, PhD, CNS, FACN, FACB. Here's what Quackwatch has to say about him Quote: In 1991, the FTC charged that Bland and two of his corporations (HealthComm and Nu-Day Enterprises) had falsely claimed that their diet program could cause weight loss by changing consumers' metabolism and cause them to lose weight without exercising so that fat is lost as body heat instead of being stored. The Nu-Day Diet Program, which cost about $30 per week, included instructional materials, a meal-replacement formula, and a fiber-containing formula said to be a "natural appetite suppressant." The Nu-Day program was promoted with a 30-minute television program entitled "The Perfect Diet," which offered "amazing true stories of people like yourself losing 20, 30, 50 pounds or more, safely, quickly and naturally." Although the television program appeared to be an independent consumer news show that used interviews to report on its discovery of the Nu-Day Diet, it was actually a paid ad. The program identified Bland as "one of the nation's leading nutritional biochemists." The case was settled with a consent agreement in which Bland agreed to pay $30,000 for redress and to refrain from making the claims that had been challenged. The consent order also requires future programs of 15 minutes or longer to display messages identifying them as paid ads for the products offered [2]. In 1995, the FTC charged Bland and his companies with violating the consent order by making unsubstantiated weight-loss claims for several products. In addition, their UltraClear dietary program had been falsely claimed to reduce the incidence and severity of symptoms associated with gastrointestinal problems, inflammatory or immunologic problems, fatigue, food allergies, mercury exposure, kidney disorders, and rheumatoid arthritis. The settlement agreement included a $45,000 civil penalty [3]. Link - ( New Window ) Seems like a pretty legit guy to me!

First, show me anyone who hasn't made a mistake in their life? The laws on what you can say are much more specific today. This happened 20 or more years ago for crying out loud.

He's a well respected, well published Dr. That much I know. But remember, many of these doctors don't look to a quick fix Rx for things so Big Pharma doesn't benefit. Just keep that in mind.

Many top labs and suppliers come to the event because the thinking is cutting edge and works. The goal is healthier people not addicted people.

I chose to listen to the experts and did the radiation, chemo then surgery route. First there are different types of chemo drugs for different types of cancer and they effect people differently. I had rectal and colon cancer and after the radiation was done was given 5 FU. Luckily my body tolerated it very well. I had side effects but considering the alternative they were not real bad. Poor tasting food, neuropathy and thinning hair was about it. Had surgery on April 30 and last week was declared cancer free! Now I have to monitor it for the next 5 years.

Arc...The treatment wasn't fun but it is better then the alternative.....

In comment 13993631 fireitup77 said:

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I chose to listen to the experts and did the radiation, chemo then surgery route. First there are different types of chemo drugs for different types of cancer and they effect people differently. I had rectal and colon cancer and after the radiation was done was given 5 FU. Luckily my body tolerated it very well. I had side effects but considering the alternative they were not real bad. Poor tasting food, neuropathy and thinning hair was about it. Had surgery on April 30 and last week was declared cancer free! Now I have to monitor it for the next 5 years. Arc...The treatment wasn't fun but it is better then the alternative.....

I'm glad to hear you are cancer free. Keep getting your checkups. Prayers sent for a bright, healthy future.

In comment 13993631 fireitup77 said:

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I chose to listen to the experts and did the radiation, chemo then surgery route. First there are different types of chemo drugs for different types of cancer and they effect people differently. I had rectal and colon cancer and after the radiation was done was given 5 FU. Luckily my body tolerated it very well. I had side effects but considering the alternative they were not real bad. Poor tasting food, neuropathy and thinning hair was about it. Had surgery on April 30 and last week was declared cancer free! Now I have to monitor it for the next 5 years. Arc...The treatment wasn't fun but it is better then the alternative.....

Awesome to hear that you're cancer free!

I think if I was truly faced with having to make those decisions, my mindset could easily change - it's easy for me to say what I said before without actually having cancer. I think I've just seen how rough some treatment can be and how poor the quality of life became for those people in the interim, but I suppose if the odds of a better long-term prognosis were good enough, I'd consider it.

It obviously also depends on the type of cancer, where it is, how aggressively it's spreading, etc. Obviously that all plays a large factor.

In any event, I'm really glad to hear you've won your battle. I'd imagine one has to be extremely strong to make it through that and be victorious, so I have a tremendous amount of respect for that.

All the best.

over whackos on internet message boards. Eating fruit is not going to stop a tumor from going. Chemo might. It also might not, cancer is sadly not easily curable. But listen to the experts and you will get your best shot at beating it.

There is a whole lot of stupid in this thread.

So I guess those huge groups of women will be relieved to learn that there is no causal link between vaccines and autism, nor has any ever been observed.

I'm expecting SGMen to talk about his flat Earth beliefs next.

and that's it. End of story.

In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said:

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cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER!

I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar.

I know the numbers for my daughter's battle were astronomical when all when said and done. Thankfully she was covered and we only had the deductibles to pay but even so, the total number was hard to believe. Times that by the millions nationwide being treated and there you go.

In comment 13993779 Gary from The East End said:

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I'm expecting SGMen to talk about his flat Earth beliefs next.

Sorry Gary but the Earth is flat as a pancake and satan escapes through the flashing lights at rock concerts.

Sorry to bust your bubble of life

In comment 13993987 Eman11 said:

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In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. I know the numbers for my daughter's battle were astronomical when all when said and done. Thankfully she was covered and we only had the deductibles to pay but even so, the total number was hard to believe. Times that by the millions nationwide being treated and there you go.

yup, I believe there is merit in what you wrote.

In comment 13993987 Eman11 said:

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In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. .

Or maybe, just maybe, cancer is a really tough disease to cure. One basic reason is because it isn't even one disease, but a whole category of different diseases. In addition, some of these are essentially "curable" right now, while there are continuously advances being made with others. In my opinion, you have to go to some crazy conspiracy place to imagine some evil empire keeping every scientist out there in line, maybe letting some advances out just to stay hidden.

pretty nicely here in this Science-Based Medicine post: The Natural Cancer Cure Narrative

In comment 13994100 jhibb said:

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In comment 13993987 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. . Or maybe, just maybe, cancer is a really tough disease to cure. One basic reason is because it isn't even one disease, but a whole category of different diseases. In addition, some of these are essentially "curable" right now, while there are continuously advances being made with others. In my opinion, you have to go to some crazy conspiracy place to imagine some evil empire keeping every scientist out there in line, maybe letting some advances out just to stay hidden.

+6.02e23

There’s no conspiracy there. And, people really are crazy.

In comment 13993987 Eman11 said:

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In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. I know the numbers for my daughter's battle were astronomical when all when said and done. Thankfully she was covered and we only had the deductibles to pay but even so, the total number was hard to believe. Times that by the millions nationwide being treated and there you go.

Except the company that cured (all) cancer would instantly be worth trillions.

In comment 13994100 jhibb said:

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In comment 13993987 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. . Or maybe, just maybe, cancer is a really tough disease to cure. One basic reason is because it isn't even one disease, but a whole category of different diseases. In addition, some of these are essentially "curable" right now, while there are continuously advances being made with others. In my opinion, you have to go to some crazy conspiracy place to imagine some evil empire keeping every scientist out there in line, maybe letting some advances out just to stay hidden.

Cancer is tough to cure, no doubt about it. Cancer also comes in many forms which makes it even harder to nail down and cure. I don't see there being a conspiracy to find a cure but I do believe holistic protocols are minimized because there is no or very little money in it. When God put us together he did a great job, better than we ever could. If we give our bodies the right "inputs" we will get better "outputs".

We are talking basic, common sense things here:
-proper nutrition
-good, clean water
-exercise
-sleep 8 or more hours
-meditate
-pray
-breathe
-learn some basic bio-hacking to maximize your potential (ADVANCED - see the work Anthony Metivier, Dave Asprey, Jim Kwik, Brendon Burchard, Tony Robbins, etc.)

The human body, once it has cancer, is at a disadvantage because its now sick and needs help to heal. As I noted from the very start, I would NEVER not follow a doctor's protocol (by and large anyway) but if I had cancer I know for sure I'd want to give my body the BEST opportunity to help it heal itself by feeding it the right things: a connected spiritual life; the desire to live; support; proper foods, proper water (we are dehydrated beyond measure); supplements were needed, etc.

How this thread spread to name calling and people just googling and posting links without ever having worked on the field; without ever researching; without ever speaking to people who have overcome; etc., speaks to our current culture of divisiveness. All too often, we have pre-conceived notions about things and choose to attack a person rather than having an open mind, asking questions, learning and understanding how things work. I am but a neophytie when it comes to understanding "whole person healing" but this neophyte has grown through the mentorship of many wonderful doctors, wonderful edicuational programs, and the love & support of fellow veterans and health seekers.

I know I am working hard with the Veteran's Affairs Hospital to build holistic protocols for combat veterans who suffer from exposures; from PTSD; from illness & injuries associated with serving our country. It was holistic protocols which helped me and so many others because there is no (for example) western medicine that works for Gulf War Illness.

Finally, the journey isn't a quick fix pill or Rx here. It is a lifetime journey that once you begin you can't help but see the positive results; want more results; and, in turn share them. Eastern philosophies and medicine still play better with women, I'll admit that as do my colleagues, but that will change slowly and with time. In the meantime, there are also a lot of "salespeople" out there selling this magic detox; this magic potion; this magic pill; this magic program; etc. They give honest practitioners & seekers a bad name because there rarely is any magic to these things.

Most MLM's (multi level marketing) companies that sell there holistic, herbal and detox products are expensive and selling the GROUP energy as much as anything. Don't drink their cool-aid....though not every MLM is bad either so just be careful.

Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment

In comment 13994175 SGMen said:

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In comment 13994100 jhibb said: Quote: In comment 13993987 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. . Or maybe, just maybe, cancer is a really tough disease to cure. One basic reason is because it isn't even one disease, but a whole category of different diseases. In addition, some of these are essentially "curable" right now, while there are continuously advances being made with others. In my opinion, you have to go to some crazy conspiracy place to imagine some evil empire keeping every scientist out there in line, maybe letting some advances out just to stay hidden. Cancer is tough to cure, no doubt about it. Cancer also comes in many forms which makes it even harder to nail down and cure. I don't see there being a conspiracy to find a cure but I do believe holistic protocols are minimized because there is no or very little money in it. When God put us together he did a great job, better than we ever could. If we give our bodies the right "inputs" we will get better "outputs". We are talking basic, common sense things here: -proper nutrition -good, clean water -exercise -sleep 8 or more hours -meditate -pray -breathe -learn some basic bio-hacking to maximize your potential (ADVANCED - see the work Anthony Metivier, Dave Asprey, Jim Kwik, Brendon Burchard, Tony Robbins, etc.) The human body, once it has cancer, is at a disadvantage because its now sick and needs help to heal. As I noted from the very start, I would NEVER not follow a doctor's protocol (by and large anyway) but if I had cancer I know for sure I'd want to give my body the BEST opportunity to help it heal itself by feeding it the right things: a connected spiritual life; the desire to live; support; proper foods, proper water (we are dehydrated beyond measure); supplements were needed, etc. How this thread spread to name calling and people just googling and posting links without ever having worked on the field; without ever researching; without ever speaking to people who have overcome; etc., speaks to our current culture of divisiveness. All too often, we have pre-conceived notions about things and choose to attack a person rather than having an open mind, asking questions, learning and understanding how things work. I am but a neophytie when it comes to understanding "whole person healing" but this neophyte has grown through the mentorship of many wonderful doctors, wonderful edicuational programs, and the love & support of fellow veterans and health seekers. I know I am working hard with the Veteran's Affairs Hospital to build holistic protocols for combat veterans who suffer from exposures; from PTSD; from illness & injuries associated with serving our country. It was holistic protocols which helped me and so many others because there is no (for example) western medicine that works for Gulf War Illness. Finally, the journey isn't a quick fix pill or Rx here. It is a lifetime journey that once you begin you can't help but see the positive results; want more results; and, in turn share them. Eastern philosophies and medicine still play better with women, I'll admit that as do my colleagues, but that will change slowly and with time. In the meantime, there are also a lot of "salespeople" out there selling this magic detox; this magic potion; this magic pill; this magic program; etc. They give honest practitioners & seekers a bad name because there rarely is any magic to these things. Most MLM's (multi level marketing) companies that sell there holistic, herbal and detox products are expensive and selling the GROUP energy as much as anything. Don't drink their cool-aid....though not every MLM is bad either so just be careful.

No lie...virtually *none* of the stuff you listed cures cancer.

or is knowledgeable is both arrogant and erroneous.

In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said:

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Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment

You just jealous you lack the common sense to breathe.

In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said:

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Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment

Subtle?

He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement.

bill, touché



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In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement.

In comment 13994256 Bill L said:

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In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement.

Please do not mis-quote me. Vaccines are not my area of expertise. I do believe the lack of synergistic studies and some of the ingredients found make vaccines questionable.
I also know of quite a few women, mothers who work so hard, who attribute their child's autism to vaccination.
The points above simply speak to what I have learned; however, I've never studied vaccines nor have I ever had to make a choice to vaccinate or not and that makes me unqualified to speak to the issue with any authority.

In comment 13994213 Bill L said:

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or is knowledgeable is both arrogant and erroneous.

No one noted they work in the field or treat patients / clients? Though it is certainly possible someone(s) does, I can just say that no one has noted that in this thread.

In comment 13994212 Bill L said:

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In comment 13994175 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 13994100 jhibb said: Quote: In comment 13993987 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 13993494 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: cancer isnt the number one priority right now on everyones table. Fucking hell. its killing people day by day. Innocent people with no history and just"bad luck" its a horrible disease. FUCK YOU CANCER! I'm not usually a cynical person but I honestly feel a big reason why is because there's WAY more money in treating it than curing it or finding a way to prevent it with a vaccine or similar. . Or maybe, just maybe, cancer is a really tough disease to cure. One basic reason is because it isn't even one disease, but a whole category of different diseases. In addition, some of these are essentially "curable" right now, while there are continuously advances being made with others. In my opinion, you have to go to some crazy conspiracy place to imagine some evil empire keeping every scientist out there in line, maybe letting some advances out just to stay hidden. Cancer is tough to cure, no doubt about it. Cancer also comes in many forms which makes it even harder to nail down and cure. I don't see there being a conspiracy to find a cure but I do believe holistic protocols are minimized because there is no or very little money in it. When God put us together he did a great job, better than we ever could. If we give our bodies the right "inputs" we will get better "outputs". We are talking basic, common sense things here: -proper nutrition -good, clean water -exercise -sleep 8 or more hours -meditate -pray -breathe -learn some basic bio-hacking to maximize your potential (ADVANCED - see the work Anthony Metivier, Dave Asprey, Jim Kwik, Brendon Burchard, Tony Robbins, etc.) The human body, once it has cancer, is at a disadvantage because its now sick and needs help to heal. As I noted from the very start, I would NEVER not follow a doctor's protocol (by and large anyway) but if I had cancer I know for sure I'd want to give my body the BEST opportunity to help it heal itself by feeding it the right things: a connected spiritual life; the desire to live; support; proper foods, proper water (we are dehydrated beyond measure); supplements were needed, etc. How this thread spread to name calling and people just googling and posting links without ever having worked on the field; without ever researching; without ever speaking to people who have overcome; etc., speaks to our current culture of divisiveness. All too often, we have pre-conceived notions about things and choose to attack a person rather than having an open mind, asking questions, learning and understanding how things work. I am but a neophytie when it comes to understanding "whole person healing" but this neophyte has grown through the mentorship of many wonderful doctors, wonderful edicuational programs, and the love & support of fellow veterans and health seekers. I know I am working hard with the Veteran's Affairs Hospital to build holistic protocols for combat veterans who suffer from exposures; from PTSD; from illness & injuries associated with serving our country. It was holistic protocols which helped me and so many others because there is no (for example) western medicine that works for Gulf War Illness. Finally, the journey isn't a quick fix pill or Rx here. It is a lifetime journey that once you begin you can't help but see the positive results; want more results; and, in turn share them. Eastern philosophies and medicine still play better with women, I'll admit that as do my colleagues, but that will change slowly and with time. In the meantime, there are also a lot of "salespeople" out there selling this magic detox; this magic potion; this magic pill; this magic program; etc. They give honest practitioners & seekers a bad name because there rarely is any magic to these things. Most MLM's (multi level marketing) companies that sell there holistic, herbal and detox products are expensive and selling the GROUP energy as much as anything. Don't drink their cool-aid....though not every MLM is bad either so just be careful. No lie...virtually *none* of the stuff you listed cures cancer.

All of the points I listed give your body the BEST opportunity to help itself heal. As I noted from the opening of this thread: I NEVER not follow a doctor's protocol. I just believe it is important to recognize what helps during healing.

And trust me, as a combat veteran diagnosed with Gulf War Illness, I know that holistic treatments are the ONLY thing that truly works.

My pursuits are to help people heal. A whole person approach is going to bring about much better results than simply treating a symptom. For folks that disagree, that is fine.

In comment 13994442 SGMen said:

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In comment 13994256 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement. Please do not mis-quote me. Vaccines are not my area of expertise. I do believe the lack of synergistic studies and some of the ingredients found make vaccines questionable. I also know of quite a few women, mothers who work so hard, who attribute their child's autism to vaccination. The points above simply speak to what I have learned; however, I've never studied vaccines nor have I ever had to make a choice to vaccinate or not and that makes me unqualified to speak to the issue with any authority.

"Working hard" doesn't mean the women are intelligent or competently able to diagnose the cause of their child's autism.

However, the Drs and researchers that spent years searching for a link between autism and vaccines are quite qualified and can (and do) say with certainty that there is no link.

In comment 13994453 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13994442 SGMen said: Quote: In comment 13994256 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement. Please do not mis-quote me. Vaccines are not my area of expertise. I do believe the lack of synergistic studies and some of the ingredients found make vaccines questionable. I also know of quite a few women, mothers who work so hard, who attribute their child's autism to vaccination. The points above simply speak to what I have learned; however, I've never studied vaccines nor have I ever had to make a choice to vaccinate or not and that makes me unqualified to speak to the issue with any authority. "Working hard" doesn't mean the women are intelligent or competently able to diagnose the cause of their child's autism. However, the Drs and researchers that spent years searching for a link between autism and vaccines are quite qualified and can (and do) say with certainty that there is no link.

These women work hard to be SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS in understanding AUTISM: its treatments, causes, research, etc. Many are doctors themselves!

Are they correct when they post their own research or correlations? I can't answer that as I am but an observer who has an open mind; is willing to listen & learn; and, to admit his limitations - I am simply not qualified to speak to the issue with any authority.

The fact that AUTISM rates have been rising is an issue, for sure. Do we know exactly why? I honestly don't know.

carries great societal risk. Mothers making phony links are not just wrong, but dangerous.

but other people might read what you're saying and substitute that other stuff for actual medicine. There are plenty of people out there who do that. And all that other stuff might make you feel good because it's playing with your psyche, but I can assure you that it ain't doing squat to shrink your tumor.

In comment 13994470 Bill L said:

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but other people might read what you're saying and substitute that other stuff for actual medicine. There are plenty of people out there who do that. And all that other stuff might make you feel good because it's playing with your psyche, but I can assure you that it ain't doing squat to shrink your tumor.

I am going to disagree with you a bit here because, again, I know a number of people who were diagnosed with cancers, some stage 4, who NEVER went the Traditional Route yet healed by completely revamping their lifestyle. But at the same token, many have tried holistic measures and are deceased.

Neither chemo nor holistic are guaranteed approaches.

My whole point here in posting is to get a feel for how people (and men in general, as I'd bet the majority of folks on BBI are men) look at holistic protocols. If I had posted in one of my social media forums, the results would be skewed toward women and people that are in the holistic healing world.

In SUMMARY, nothing posted above has surprised me in any way or hurt me. I've listened to arguments both "Pro and Con" on many health issues. But one thing I can tell you: Integrative Medicine is getting praise from combat veterans and veterans in general, folks like me, because the approaches are often just common sense in a world that no longer lives to shall we say "God's design for us" - give yourself a chance. One small change, like drinking clean, purified water for a change, can bring about massive healing to someone who hasn't been hydrated properly for likely a LONG time.

And no one here has offended me in the least. Nada.

In comment 13994478 SGMen said:

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I am going to disagree with you a bit here because, again, I know a number of people who were diagnosed with cancers, some stage 4, who NEVER went the Traditional Route yet healed by completely revamping their lifestyle. But at the same token, many have tried holistic measures and are deceased.

I do not believe this claim, that folks with Stage 4 cancers "healed by completely revamping their lifestyle". I do not believe it at all.

Avacado's cure cancer.

-SGMen

In comment 13994846 McNally's_Nuts said:

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Avacado's cure cancer. -SGMen

Avocado's are one of the best fruits (berries) one can eat for great health as they are very nutrient dense. While I eat at least 1/2 an avocado a day.

Also, if you read my post, my entire premise is to give one the BEST chance for healing and that always involves a WHOLE PERSON approach. Nowhere have I said not to follow your doctor's protocols but rather to consider making lifestyle changes that will give you and your body the best chance to heal.

The human body has an amazing ability to heal itself but it must be properly nourished: spiritually, physically, mentally and emotionally. A few simple changes can completely enable the body to build its defenses and heal.

One area that I am very much interested in learning is the brain to gut microbiome connection. We currently understand less than 3% of iit all, and that is a guess/estimate I took away from a conference I attended.

One study showed alcoholics in remission ALL had less than optimal gut microbiome! That means their gut is likely not as able to produce serotonin and communicate with the brain at an optimal level.

Finally, I find it fascinating that women will be open to "Whole person" healing whereas men tend to push away. Now, as women are wired differently than men, I get it. Women are also primary care-takers of children even in dual parent homes so their interests in helping their sick or struggling child often leads them to consider any and all options.

I do believe in as little as five years we will begin to see a more "organic" approach to farming here in the United States. The obesity rates in the United States are frankly, quite freightening. We simply do not get the hydration, nutrition, sleep, rest, etc., that we naturally need to be at our best (or at least better of!!!).

In comment 13994256 Bill L said:

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In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement.

Bill L, again, I NEVER said that vaccines cause autism. I just noted that many see a correlation. Vaccines and Autism are not my area of expertise and I noted that from the outset. Why would you assume this? I'd be interested in understanding your conclusion above?

In comment 13994914 SGMen said:

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In comment 13994256 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13994191 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: Lost me when he made his subtle anti-vaxxer quack comment Subtle? He flat out said that vaccines cause autism which has been definitively shown to be a fake statement. Bill L, again, I NEVER said that vaccines cause autism. I just noted that many see a correlation. Vaccines and Autism are not my area of expertise and I noted that from the outset. Why would you assume this? I'd be interested in understanding your conclusion above?

People who lack knowledge see a correlation. They likely also see ghosts, aliens, and people talking in tongues, waving of the hands and other such holistic approaches curing terminal consitions.