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Is Andrew Adams Early Favorite to Start Opposite Collins?

gidiefor : Mod : 6/18/2018 1:48 pm
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#Giants safety Andrew Adams looks like the early favorite to start opposite of Landon Collins this season.

@AndrewAdams33 held opponents to 7.4 yards per reception in his coverage last season, tied for 9th best among 89 #NFL safeties.
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correct me if I'm wrong  
Giantsfan79 : 6/18/2018 1:53 pm : link
but did Thompson compete last week? I thought he's recovering and not yet practicing.
Thompson was awful last year.  
since1925 : 6/18/2018 2:00 pm : link
Maybe our expectations were too high. Maybe he will have a big jump this year. Adams was very solid but doesn't make any game changing plays. In any case, play the best guy.
I dont understand how someone who  
lester : 6/18/2018 2:09 pm : link
had all the college production isnt able to cut it as a 3rd rounder. Maybe this year he makes the difference.
Thompson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/18/2018 2:11 pm : link
has not been practicing. This looks like pure speculation based on the fact that Andrews was with the 1st team last week.

He could start, but without Thompson being able to practice, this is just silly.
RE: Thompson was awful last year.  
Giantsfan79 : 6/18/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13993670 since1925 said:
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Maybe our expectations were too high. Maybe he will have a big jump this year. Adams was very solid but doesn't make any game changing plays. In any case, play the best guy.


I disagree with your assessment. Thompson's play did come on in December, I agree he didn't start the year playing all that well. But it was functionally his rookie year. If he's healthy I think he has the most upside.
Depends on who you ask. That's just one person's opinion.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
I've seen Curtis Riley be talked about a lot.
Thompson can't start  
HoustonGiant : 6/18/2018 2:19 pm : link
if he can't get on the field. He's always injured.
I don't place a lot of weight  
Beer Man : 6/18/2018 2:21 pm : link
on OTA lineups. Many times the 1st reps go to the player that ended the year with the first team. This will all shake out fairly early when the team starts hitting in the fall.
Thompson played the most snaps of any Giant in 2017  
shyster : 6/18/2018 2:37 pm : link
He virtually never came off the field.

Adams only played 25% of defensive snaps. He played when Collins was hurt or when three safeties were deployed.

Expecting Adams to take a position from Thompson that Adams never played last year is, at this point, a stretch.
Adams started almost the entire 2016 season.  
since1925 : 6/18/2018 2:43 pm : link
And Collins was awesome with Adams beside him. Cause/Effect, maybe no, maybe yes. But Thompson was very average in 2017 and Collins wasn't as good.
Adams is backup quality at best for NFL  
Jimmy Googs : 6/18/2018 2:45 pm : link
He looked serviceable in 2016 when the entire defense, particularly the Corners played well. In 2017, the entire defense came crashing back down to Earth as did Adams.

Surprisingly, Thompson did not look sharp either in 2017 coming back from rookie injury...way to slow/reactive in support and not around anywhere making plays. Another year like that and he will be labeled "jag".

Would agree AA isn't what you want at FS  
JonC : 6/18/2018 2:49 pm : link
he's probably best suited to playing downhill in the box at SS, but was serviceable in CF behind a hot defense.

Two things AA did better in '16 than DT in '17 were tackling soundly, and taking good angles of pursuit to the football. In these aspects, DT was horrendous and needs to clean it up or he won't be back there long.
RE: Adams started almost the entire 2016 season.  
shyster : 6/18/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13993723 since1925 said:
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And Collins was awesome with Adams beside him. Cause/Effect, maybe no, maybe yes. But Thompson was very average in 2017 and Collins wasn't as good.


Adams' play in 2016 caused him to fall out of favor at the end of the year, losing snaps to Leon Hall. In the playoff game vs GB, Adams hardly got on the field and Hall played 100%.

Then Spagnuolo only wanted Adams out there 25% of snaps last year.

I've been critical of Thompson's play in 2017 myself but I'm skeptical of Adams as any real improvement.
I wouldn't trust any of the rotations last year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/18/2018 5:05 pm : link
Adams was benched to justify the drafting of Darian Thompson (they should have taken Justin Simmons out of BC). In any case, the summer will allow them to fight it out on a fair playing field. I would suspect that Adams is a different player than the UDFA out of Connecticut that played his first year for the Giants, but who knows?
He should be  
Joey in VA : 6/18/2018 6:46 pm : link
He's the smartest option we have who can actually tackle. I think Darian Thompson is straight doo doo
I thought Thompson played poorly all year.  
Since1965 : 6/18/2018 10:06 pm : link
Lousy tackler, beat repeatedly, poor routes, late in coverage. I think Spags phased out Adams a bit in 2016 because he wanted a veteran out there rather than a rookie. Adams outplayed Thompson last year. I wondered why he wasn't out there more.
Is he fast enough to play FS?  
arniefez : 6/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
Hopefully the defense is fast this year. I think the LB's will be faster that's been an issue for several years.
RE: Thompson was awful last year.  
djm : 6/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13993670 since1925 said:
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Maybe our expectations were too high. Maybe he will have a big jump this year. Adams was very solid but doesn't make any game changing plays. In any case, play the best guy.


I know my expectations were too high. He sure looked like a player to me but it was in limited time. Beware next time...
RE: Is he fast enough to play FS?  
TommyWiseau : 6/18/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13994131 arniefez said:
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Hopefully the defense is fast this year. I think the LB's will be faster that's been an issue for several years.


Well we know Thompson with his 4.7 speed is not fast enough.
I thought Adams made Collins better  
adamg : 6/19/2018 3:51 am : link
than Thompson did.
Thompson couldnt tackle in college.  
Brown Recluse : 6/19/2018 6:40 am : link
Not sure why we’d expect any different. He’s a liability.
Think Thompsons best playing deep  
Dankbeerman : 6/19/2018 8:17 am : link
center field and adjusting to the ball in the air. We have used the safteies interchangeably not a true free and strong. Thompson is not good coming towards the line of scrimage in run support.

Thompson showed good ability to break to the ball but havent seen him man up very well. Maybe he is just a sub package guy but he does flash the ability to react to the ball in the air better then most of the dbs we have or have had in recent history
^  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2018 8:20 am : link
this. What screwed the pooch for me regarding DT was that his supposed strengths at Boise St., good CF coverage, ball hawk, good angles at coverage, and "adequate" speed, disappeared; as noted above, he was poor at those aspects as well as his poor tackling. He is brittle and not a physical safety. Adams has limitations as well, his lack of quickness and speed almost disqualify him from starting at FS, imo.

Sometimes, a guy's college performance does not translate to the NFL, and that may be the case with DT--what a surprise from the departed regime.
I hope the new DC demands more free safety/strong safety and less  
Ivan15 : 6/19/2018 12:45 pm : link
Right safety/left safety play. That would go against Giants tradition.
Adams makes better reads then Thompson  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/21/2018 8:43 am : link
He seems to be always near or around the ball although he is not a ball hawk. He looks like the better pro to me so far. But things can change and maybe Thompson is slower to pick things up.
Both are  
Doomster : 6/21/2018 9:35 pm : link
easily replaced...
i thought he should have started last year  
BlackburnBalledOut : 6/22/2018 8:24 am : link
he had a real good 2016, and frankly thompson sucked last year.

should be an open competition
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