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adamg : 6/18/2018 2:25 pm
Heading down now. Had tickets to both games originally. Super pumped to go an abridged double header. Anyone else at the game?

Let's get a game on the Sox today Sonny!
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Hicksy!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/18/2018 8:09 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 8:14 pm : link
There you go, Hicks! He's the one guy who seems to still be hitting right now.
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Eman11 : 6/18/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13994056 arcarsenal said:
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There you go, Hicks! He's the one guy who seems to still be hitting right now.


Didi seems to be coming back around too. It'll be good for him to get back to the Stadium for the next three and hopefully pick it up another notch or two.

Need a shutdown inning from Sonny here.
Nationals have acquired Kelvin Herrera  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2018 8:26 pm : link
One fewer quality RP option on the market for Houston (or Cle/Bos). I like it. Thanks Nats!
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13994059 Eman11 said:
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There you go, Hicks! He's the one guy who seems to still be hitting right now.



Didi seems to be coming back around too. It'll be good for him to get back to the Stadium for the next three and hopefully pick it up another notch or two.

Need a shutdown inning from Sonny here.


Yup - Didi has been getting back on track too.

Gary is showing signs but still having some pretty poor AB's in between. I still think he'll be fine, just has to work his way out of it.

Got the Road Gray tonight thankfully - huge K to get Harper.
Wasn't pretty  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 8:27 pm : link
But I'll take that shutdown inning. Now let's see if I can double or nothing my next want and get some tack on runs here. ;)
I don’t understand why  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2018 8:31 pm : link
Stanton stays so far off the plate just to chase pitches off the plate inside. If you’re going to give those strikes away, get closer to the plate so you can at least cover the outer half.

I’m not quite panicking about his numbers, but I dislike his approach.
RE: I don’t understand why  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13994065 bigbluehoya said:
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Stanton stays so far off the plate just to chase pitches off the plate inside. If you’re going to give those strikes away, get closer to the plate so you can at least cover the outer half.

I’m not quite panicking about his numbers, but I dislike his approach.


Seems to me he's that far off the plate to get to those inside pitches. It's the down and away ones he can't reach and needs to lay off IMO. Either that or just punch them into RF. They're giving him the whole right side of the damn infield.
RE: I don’t understand why  
mfsd : 6/18/2018 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13994065 bigbluehoya said:
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Stanton stays so far off the plate just to chase pitches off the plate inside. If you’re going to give those strikes away, get closer to the plate so you can at least cover the outer half.

I’m not quite panicking about his numbers, but I dislike his approach.


Stanton’s splits vs lefties/righties so far this season (through yesterday) are remarkable:

Vs L: .333/.378/.773, 8 HR in 74 PA
Vs R: .212/.300/.378, 8 HR in 224 PA

The closed stance worked for him last year, to the tune of an MVP season, so it’s hard to argue for him to change it..but it really does seem to be working against him against righties up to this point this year.

I remain confident he’ll find his groove and treat us to a hot streak this summer...but I agree his approach just seems so off sometimes.
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 8:45 pm : link
Just cannot get this fucking guy out.
Should be noted  
mfsd : 6/18/2018 8:47 pm : link
Over his career, Stanton’s always hit lefties a lot more than righties, career OPS is 150 pts higher vs. lefties, but he still has a lifetime .870 OPS vs righties.
RE: RE: I don’t understand why  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13994070 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13994065 bigbluehoya said:


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Stanton stays so far off the plate just to chase pitches off the plate inside. If you’re going to give those strikes away, get closer to the plate so you can at least cover the outer half.

I’m not quite panicking about his numbers, but I dislike his approach.



Seems to me he's that far off the plate to get to those inside pitches. It's the down and away ones he can't reach and needs to lay off IMO. Either that or just punch them into RF. They're giving him the whole right side of the damn infield.


Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. You stay far off the plate so that you get your arms extended even on the inside strike, i.e. you don’t want the ball inside on you. That way, anything that looks remotely like it’s more inside than you like it is a ball.

Stanton is chasing pitches 4-6 inches off the plate inside, regularly.
RE: RE: RE: I don’t understand why  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13994078 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13994065 bigbluehoya said:


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Stanton stays so far off the plate just to chase pitches off the plate inside. If you’re going to give those strikes away, get closer to the plate so you can at least cover the outer half.

I’m not quite panicking about his numbers, but I dislike his approach.



Seems to me he's that far off the plate to get to those inside pitches. It's the down and away ones he can't reach and needs to lay off IMO. Either that or just punch them into RF. They're giving him the whole right side of the damn infield.



Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. You stay far off the plate so that you get your arms extended even on the inside strike, i.e. you don’t want the ball inside on you. That way, anything that looks remotely like it’s more inside than you like it is a ball.

Stanton is chasing pitches 4-6 inches off the plate inside, regularly.


I don't like the approach either but I think he likes the ball inside and wants to pull. He can't get to the inside pitch with the barrel if he crowds the plate, so he stands off the plate trying to barrel them up.

Problem is he's missing those pitches, and also swinging at some too far in off the plate and then compounding it by not reaching the down and away outside pitch either.



I agree there's no question he's swinging at pitches too inside

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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 8:58 pm : link
If Holder can get out of this, that'll be pretty damn impressive. He's having an excellent year.
Nice action  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2018 9:00 pm : link
On that changeup.

Holder is impressive. That’s a huge escape.
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:01 pm : link
Some fucking balls right there. Gray owes him a round.
Wow....who would have thought Holder could do that  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2018 9:01 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:03 pm : link
Really couldn't have a better name.
RE: Wow....who would have thought Holder could do that  
Percy : 6/18/2018 9:04 pm : link
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Holder held 'em. Great getting out of a real hole.
RE: Wow....who would have thought Holder could do that  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 9:06 pm : link
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He's been a big surprise this year for me no doubt. He's been great all year and that inning was really impressive. Huge spot for the team and he comes through big time.

I liked the emotion he showed too. Guy knew it was big and he was fired up to get it done.
Good eye by Judge  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 9:10 pm : link
He needs to get back to that. I'm starting to think he's been chasing because of some ump's missing pitches and him getting so many balls called strikes. Leads the league in that and it's not even close.
big double  
dune69 : 6/18/2018 9:15 pm : link
Stanton
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:15 pm : link
Stanton telling you guys he'll be just fine. :)
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Eman11 : 6/18/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13994096 arcarsenal said:
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Stanton telling you guys he'll be just fine. :)


For the most part he's been fine vs lefties. It's righties who he's struggled against and has looked really off too many times.

Here's hoping tonight just gets him going in the right direction. Three hits no matter who they're against has got to help the confidence.
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:28 pm : link
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Stanton telling you guys he'll be just fine. :)



For the most part he's been fine vs lefties. It's righties who he's struggled against and has looked really off too many times.

Here's hoping tonight just gets him going in the right direction. Three hits no matter who they're against has got to help the confidence.


Yeah, he had a year like this against RHP in 2016 too where he just kinda struggled most of the year.

More often than not, he's finished up with very solid numbers vs. RHP (obviously his big money is being made vs. lefties) so I think odds are he'll be fine. Hits are hits like you said - good to see either way, because that extra run will help.
Finally some one made the kid look bad  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2018 9:45 pm : link
Dellin was the hero we needed
Betances  
MookGiants : 6/18/2018 9:46 pm : link
in this stretch looks as good if not better than any reliever I've ever seen.
Betances  
dune69 : 6/18/2018 9:46 pm : link
is dominating
I've been hesitant to say it, BUT...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/18/2018 9:46 pm : link
The Bad Man is Back! #68
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:47 pm : link
Filthy.
Betances: good morning...good afternoon  
Stu11 : 6/18/2018 9:47 pm : link
and good night!
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 9:52 pm : link
Lefty again, but 4 hits are 4 hits. Nice night for Giancarlo.
Whew  
dune69 : 6/18/2018 10:14 pm : link
close but no cigar.

Yankees win!!

Great pitching particularly Holder and Betances.
Fucking shit that was scary.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/18/2018 10:14 pm : link
Game over.
MANY props to Jonathan Holder  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
Good thing Judge is 6'7"... not sure he gets to that one if he's a few inches shorter.

Nice win.
Gutsy save by Chapman, when he didn’t have his best command  
mfsd : 6/18/2018 10:15 pm : link
Bullpen continues to be ridiculous. Game MVP = Holder
RE: Gutsy save by Chapman, when he didn’t have his best command  
Percy : 6/18/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13994132 mfsd said:
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Bullpen continues to be ridiculous. Game MVP = Holder
It was. But it's also nice to have 99's height in right to pull that last one in.
RE: RE: Gutsy save by Chapman, when he didn’t have his best command  
mfsd : 6/18/2018 10:24 pm : link
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Bullpen continues to be ridiculous. Game MVP = Holder

It was. But it's also nice to have 99's height in right to pull that last one in.


For sure, that was a hold your breath fly ball - looked like Turner may have got enough off the bat, yikes. Could have at least been a 2 run double if not for Judge
RE: Gutsy save by Chapman, when he didn’t have his best command  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13994132 mfsd said:
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Bullpen continues to be ridiculous. Game MVP = Holder


Yup.
2nd star to Hicks, 3rd to Stanton and a big honorable mention to Judge for a couple of really great plays in the field.
good win, but we played 13 innings tonight on what was supposed to be  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2018 10:49 pm : link
an off day, and have Seattle coming in tomorrow night having used pretty much all our relievers today/tonight. Seattle is really playing well, this could be a preview of a playoff series.
RE: good win, but we played 13 innings tonight on what was supposed to be  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13994143 Del Shofner said:
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an off day, and have Seattle coming in tomorrow night having used pretty much all our relievers today/tonight. Seattle is really playing well, this could be a preview of a playoff series.


Agreed and why I thought Boone would go with a long reliever in the suspended game or use a call up spot starter. If he wasn't going to use Cole there why is he even on the team?

When I heard him on the pregame say Greeney and a bullpen game I thought Why? First guess and I said it the other day too, so not a hindsight thing after the HR and loss.
yeah, I don't generally second-guess Boone as I think he's  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2018 11:34 pm : link
done a good job, but I take your point on that. We used our top 6 relievers today/tonight and just have Cole and Shreve for tomorrow night, unless someone gets on the Scranton shuttle (which they might). And this is with German starting, who's been pretty good but he's not a lock to give you more than 5 innings.
RE: yeah, I don't generally second-guess Boone as I think he's  
Eman11 : 6/18/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13994159 Del Shofner said:
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done a good job, but I take your point on that. We used our top 6 relievers today/tonight and just have Cole and Shreve for tomorrow night, unless someone gets on the Scranton shuttle (which they might). And this is with German starting, who's been pretty good but he's not a lock to give you more than 5 innings.


Yeah I'm with you there. I think he's done a good job too and have wondered about a few things but nothing major. He's a first year guy,the team is playing well and I figure he knows his team better than I do.

The one area I have questioned though is his use of the pen. While he deserves credit for his faith in Holder, and his move away (finally) from using Betances for two innings, I wonder about his use of some others. Again, nothing major and I guess I'm still used to how Girardi took care of his relievers and seemed to be a master at using the pen.

Hopefully German gives them a good 6+ strong tomorrow, and they can piece together the rest. A breakout game by the O wouldn't hurt either.
RE: yeah, I don't generally second-guess Boone as I think he's  
Mike from SI : 6/19/2018 12:05 am : link
In comment 13994159 Del Shofner said:
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done a good job, but I take your point on that. We used our top 6 relievers today/tonight and just have Cole and Shreve for tomorrow night, unless someone gets on the Scranton shuttle (which they might). And this is with German starting, who's been pretty good but he's not a lock to give you more than 5 innings.


This assumes they can't pitch 2 days in a row, I'm sure some of them will unless there's a blowout either way.
RE: RE: yeah, I don't generally second-guess Boone as I think he's  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 12:15 am : link
In comment 13994168 Mike from SI said:
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done a good job, but I take your point on that. We used our top 6 relievers today/tonight and just have Cole and Shreve for tomorrow night, unless someone gets on the Scranton shuttle (which they might). And this is with German starting, who's been pretty good but he's not a lock to give you more than 5 innings.



This assumes they can't pitch 2 days in a row, I'm sure some of them will unless there's a blowout either way.


True but it's not so much that as it is they've been used a lot recently plus today was supposed to be an off day. Combine that with two rookies starting the next two games and nine more games in a row without a day off coming up.

I would've preferred a spot starter or long guy in the suspended game but I'm thinking they know better than I do.
RE: RE: RE: yeah, I don't generally second-guess Boone as I think he's  
adamg : 6/19/2018 3:43 am : link
In comment 13994170 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13994159 Del Shofner said:


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done a good job, but I take your point on that. We used our top 6 relievers today/tonight and just have Cole and Shreve for tomorrow night, unless someone gets on the Scranton shuttle (which they might). And this is with German starting, who's been pretty good but he's not a lock to give you more than 5 innings.



This assumes they can't pitch 2 days in a row, I'm sure some of them will unless there's a blowout either way.



True but it's not so much that as it is they've been used a lot recently plus today was supposed to be an off day. Combine that with two rookies starting the next two games and nine more games in a row without a day off coming up.

I would've preferred a spot starter or long guy in the suspended game but I'm thinking they know better than I do.


I figured this was a perfect Adam Warren situation.
Let’s give props  
13ODB : 6/19/2018 7:07 am : link
To gray and the bullpen. Got scary at times but he got the win. Now we have german tonight against Seattle it will be tough, but again Yankee offense needs to wake up and score for these guys
Wasn't around last night,  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 11:54 am : link
but great road win against a really good team. Keep rolling.
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Ryan in Albany : 6/19/2018 3:35 pm : link
Tonight's @Yankees lineup vs. SEA:

A. Hicks - CF
A. Judge - RF
G. Stanton - DH
D. Gregorius - SS
G. Sanchez - C
G. Torres - 2B
G. Bird - 1B
M. Andujar - 3B
C. Frazier - LF
D. German - P
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