Being able to only connect on 50% of your kicks from 30-49 yards out is a real concern (7 out of 14). Although he did display a real strong leg on kickoffs and connected on all three of his 50+ yard kicks.
have a strong head than a strong leg. He seemed to miss a majority of his kicks towards the end of close games. Tells me he may not be able to handle the pressure.
I'm rooting for him, other guys have come back from poor starts to their kicking careers, but I am very skeptical of his ability to be a consistent weapon in big moments.
Agreed, well said. Lawrence Tynes was the best imo. I loved him. Josh Brown was a complete stud kicker but he turned out to be a degenerate apparently and made the whole organization look like shit for a couple weeks.
I guess I'd let Rojas get another crack at it, but we need the best vet available to compete if Rojas still sucks if we wanna compete this year for another Lombardi. Will need that new Lawrence Tynes
Lawrence Tynes was a 77% kicker after three years.
I'd like to see what he learned from last year. The talent is there but he has to get better.
Kickers are the emotional barometer of a team- if they're on a good team they'll generally kick well. He was a rookie and last year's team was dreadful so he gets a pass.
so be it. I trust the coaches to judge whether he's shown enough development over last year to warrant keeping the job. But obviously he needs to earn it - his 2017 performance was unacceptable.
I would let him compete in camp. But, the job is there for him to win not his to lose. I think the coaches also know that.
His only competition on the roster is a rookie UDFA. I don't believe. If this is the training camp battle it'd be a pretty big upset.
It doesn't really matter what kickers are battling in the NY Giants' training camp, because they can always get a kicker that showed well in another camp.
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why not Rosas, too? If he earns it this summer, then I would be happy to see him return as the Giants' kicker. I think he would be a on short leash though.
looked all that great in preseason, so I was very skeptical. The generational leg crap must have been like Matt Dodge. You NEVER saw it on game day, or it was few and too far between.
His kicks don't get the height, nor the end-over-end you usually see......he does kick some knucklers too.
He gets an invite to camp, but he's got to be VERY good to make the 2018 Giants.
Mike Nugent again. That is what is out there. It's so easy for a fan to say dump Rosas and get a better kicker but there aren't any. That is why the Giants will try and develop a kicker.
The Giants are serious about contending this year and they need to find a kicker who has been there and done that in pressure situations. Anyone here have any confidence in Rosas making a big kick outside 35 years?
I don't care if he returns or not, but I don't think last year was enough to judge. Bring him to camp, but give him competition. We need to see that generational leg and real accuracy. If so, maybe he gets another chance. If not, not. Even if so, I'd be quick to replace him.
I really don't see the strong leg. Almost zero touchbacks last year. I think he had one or two. Just pathetic. Every long kick barely over the crossbar. Plus the blocks. He's gotta go.
as long as he isn't terrible? If Rosas turns out to be a good kicker this year, then great. If they have to sign somebody else that is better than Rosas, then great. It's not like we have an emotional attachment to Rosas. As long as they have a kicker they can count on I don't care who it is.
looked all that great in preseason, so I was very skeptical. The generational leg crap must have been like Matt Dodge. You NEVER saw it on game day, or it was few and too far between.
Well, he only attempted 25 kicks all season. And he was 3/3 on 50+ (50, 51, and 52 yards)
He had the second worst touchback % in the league.
He had multiple out of bounds kick offs. He was responsible for multiple losses.
By any measure he was the worst regular kicker in the league.
We would be fools to rely on him.
The Giants will clearly give Rosas training camp and the preseason to try to stick but unless he is basically flawless he will be replaced by a veteran before the season starts. The Giants won't risk their season on another poor year by Rosas.
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I would let him compete in camp. But, the job is there for him to win not his to lose. I think the coaches also know that.
His only competition on the roster is a rookie UDFA. I don't believe. If this is the training camp battle it'd be a pretty big upset.
TTH - if Rosas is sucking up the joint, they will find someone, either from another team or somewhere??? I hope! .... I didn't realize the competition was that thin to tell you the truth but, I wouldn't be surprised if they had another kicker or 2 signed or invited to TC before it starts.
Again proving you can't observe much beyond that you think Odell has a cool fucking haircut. Jesus you're a fucking tool who knows nothing. A strong leg matters for a kicker you dipshit, some guys take a few years to get that squared away in the NFL but the stronger leg has the advantage. Dodge was a punter who could boom it but not aim it, huge difference but I don't expect you to get that, you're a fuckwit fanboy who knows precisely dick.
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Once it was clear that the season wasn't going anywhere and certainly once they were eliminated from the playoffs, they should have had Rosas kicking field goals at every opportunity. Instead, McAdoo and Spangnuolo chose to prioritize their careers over the good of the team. How many times did the Giants face 4th down inside the opposing 40 and instead of kicking, they either went for it or worse, punted?!? What exactly was there to be gained? They should have had him kicking on every 4th down for any kick less than 70 yards. Who cares if he missed every single one? Its not like they were going anywhere anyway, and now they don't really know what they have in him.
The offense is going to put up so many points our kicking game won’t be a factor. But yeah, if he can improve his accuracy I’d be happy to have him. Hate to see him take off to another team and put together a solid career. Also hate to see him suck this season. Kickers.
looked all that great in preseason, so I was very skeptical. The generational leg crap must have been like Matt Dodge. You NEVER saw it on game day, or it was few and too far between.
Well, he only attempted 25 kicks all season. And he was 3/3 on 50+ (50, 51, and 52 yards)
And missed 7. That's a lot by today's standards. And three XP's.
And as far as those 50+ yard FGs, I do remember them being of the line drive variety. In fact, the one in Denver I'm not even sure how that knuckler made it.
And that's the thing...you can tell when a guy has a booming leg. They hit them high, and with distance.
Rojas does not look or play the part. Not last year anyway.
The offense is going to put up so many points our kicking game won’t be a factor. But yeah, if he can improve his accuracy I’d be happy to have him. Hate to see him take off to another team and put together a solid career. Also hate to see him suck this season. Kickers.
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Who would have thought that Matt Bryant would have the career he's had after a not-so-great performance with the Giants? Let's see what happens in the preseason. If Rosas isn't any good it's not that there aren't always a bunch of vets looking for a job. There's always a replacement available.
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I really don't see the strong leg. Almost zero touchbacks last year. I think he had one or two. Just pathetic. Every long kick barely over the crossbar. Plus the blocks. He's gotta go.
in the league worse on touch backs. He has a weak leg
That’s a pretty damming stat. If he’s not kicking touch backs and he’s iffy on extra points and he’s so so on money FGs, well, then what’s the upside to the guy?
No. With his subpar low ball trajectory he is a criticla kick just waiting to get blocked. Frankly he lost the kicking competition in camp last season and it was a mistake having him on the roster.
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have a strong head than a strong leg. He seemed to miss a majority of his kicks towards the end of close games. Tells me he may not be able to handle the pressure.
I'm rooting for him, other guys have come back from poor starts to their kicking careers, but I am very skeptical of his ability to be a consistent weapon in big moments.
Agreed, well said. Lawrence Tynes was the best imo. I loved him. Josh Brown was a complete stud kicker but he turned out to be a degenerate apparently and made the whole organization look like shit for a couple weeks.
I guess I'd let Rojas get another crack at it, but we need the best vet available to compete if Rojas still sucks if we wanna compete this year for another Lombardi. Will need that new Lawrence Tynes
Lawrence Tynes was a 77% kicker after three years.
Kickers are the emotional barometer of a team- if they're on a good team they'll generally kick well. He was a rookie and last year's team was dreadful so he gets a pass.
His only competition on the roster is a rookie UDFA. I don't believe. If this is the training camp battle it'd be a pretty big upset.
He was a rookie kicker. Give him a chance to win the job in camp. Replace him if and when it becomes necessary.
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I would let him compete in camp. But, the job is there for him to win not his to lose. I think the coaches also know that.
His only competition on the roster is a rookie UDFA. I don't believe. If this is the training camp battle it'd be a pretty big upset.
It doesn't really matter what kickers are battling in the NY Giants' training camp, because they can always get a kicker that showed well in another camp.
His kicks don't get the height, nor the end-over-end you usually see......he does kick some knucklers too.
He gets an invite to camp, but he's got to be VERY good to make the 2018 Giants.
He was a rookie kicker. Give him a chance to win the job in camp. Replace him if and when it becomes necessary.
Not many players left? You could make an argument that Engram would be playing alone.
Bring him back and lets see how he develops...
Well, he only attempted 25 kicks all season. And he was 3/3 on 50+ (50, 51, and 52 yards)
He had multiple out of bounds kick offs. He was responsible for multiple losses.
By any measure he was the worst regular kicker in the league.
We would be fools to rely on him.
Which ones?
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I would let him compete in camp. But, the job is there for him to win not his to lose. I think the coaches also know that.
His only competition on the roster is a rookie UDFA. I don't believe. If this is the training camp battle it'd be a pretty big upset.
TTH - if Rosas is sucking up the joint, they will find someone, either from another team or somewhere??? I hope! .... I didn't realize the competition was that thin to tell you the truth but, I wouldn't be surprised if they had another kicker or 2 signed or invited to TC before it starts.
We will see ...
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looked all that great in preseason, so I was very skeptical. The generational leg crap must have been like Matt Dodge. You NEVER saw it on game day, or it was few and too far between.
Well, he only attempted 25 kicks all season. And he was 3/3 on 50+ (50, 51, and 52 yards)
And missed 7. That's a lot by today's standards. And three XP's.
And as far as those 50+ yard FGs, I do remember them being of the line drive variety. In fact, the one in Denver I'm not even sure how that knuckler made it.
And that's the thing...you can tell when a guy has a booming leg. They hit them high, and with distance.
Rojas does not look or play the part. Not last year anyway.
Who would have thought that Matt Bryant would have the career he's had after a not-so-great performance with the Giants? Let's see what happens in the preseason. If Rosas isn't any good it's not that there aren't always a bunch of vets looking for a job. There's always a replacement available.
Too much truth in this view to dismiss it.
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He was responsible for multiple losses.
Which ones?
Tampa, Philly, Raider game he didn't help with his anemic kickoff to start the 4th and the Charger game was weak.
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He was responsible for multiple losses.
Which ones?
Tampa, Philly, Raider game he didn't help with his anemic kickoff to start the 4th and the Charger game was weak.
Plus he missed a kick or XP in half our games.
That’s a pretty damming stat. If he’s not kicking touch backs and he’s iffy on extra points and he’s so so on money FGs, well, then what’s the upside to the guy?
something worked it's way into his head -- and he was not handled well last year
Dump him. Id rather a blind mule kick for us.
True. I miss the days when our kickers could hit their targets, in more ways than one.