even if you consider this year a fluke (I don't), the other cup winning coaches are getting well over $3M (Julien gets $5M and so does I believe Quenneville and Babcock - they might even be at 6M) Lavy and Sullivan over $3M, and Trotz was getting I believe $1.5M.
where the Caps were knocked out, they were outshooting and playing well in those series. NYI should offer him what he wants. What better way to convince JT and their fanbase than this new ownership group is serious about winning than hiring a coach who just won the Stanley Cup?
I'm a Caps fan and I'm sorry to see him go. He's one of the good guys in the league. But the Organization plays a system from their minor league affiliates up to the bigs which can be carried forward. Would not be surprised if Lambert gets his chance.
The more important issue is resigning Carlson. I think they will move Grubauer for a draft pick. Should probably lockup Wilson as well. Should be interesting.
The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
even if you consider this year a fluke (I don't), the other cup winning coaches are getting well over $3M (Julien gets $5M and so does I believe Quenneville and Babcock - they might even be at 6M) Lavy and Sullivan over $3M, and Trotz was getting I believe $1.5M.
He at least should have joined that $3M group.
I think it was a fluke, they definitely were hungry but man Tampa really blew it.
I am not surprised, he was a lame duck coach, and if the Caps lost in round 1 or 2 he would have been fired.
He won a cup, and now can go someplace where he will be loved.
Very happy this occurred, it is a bad look for the Caps and bad PR, will get them off the DC media darling for a little bit...which is good because Ted Leonsis is a jerk.
The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
even if you consider this year a fluke (I don't), the other cup winning coaches are getting well over $3M (Julien gets $5M and so does I believe Quenneville and Babcock - they might even be at 6M) Lavy and Sullivan over $3M, and Trotz was getting I believe $1.5M.
He at least should have joined that $3M group.
I think it was a fluke, they definitely were hungry but man Tampa really blew it.
I am not surprised, he was a lame duck coach, and if the Caps lost in round 1 or 2 he would have been fired.
He won a cup, and now can go someplace where he will be loved.
Very happy this occurred, it is a bad look for the Caps and bad PR, will get them off the DC media darling for a little bit...which is good because Ted Leonsis is a jerk.
Rover, I don't understand why you can't give the Capitals credit for winning the Cup and coming back from 3-2 down to beat TB.
This decision had very little to do with Leonsis, it was 100% Brian MacLellan. If he'd wanted to keep Trotz beyond this season he'd have signed him to an extension during the year instead of letting him walk.
Why is anyone expecting anything else from GoldenTee?
The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
Clearly they didn't or weren't going to.
Obviously - or they did but not enough of an increase, my point was just that it didn't have to be 300k plus his current contract. The Capitals had an opportunity to renegotiate.
Maybe it wasn't your intention but your post made it seems like that was the only choice in WAS.
What I was saying was that they were only obligated to give him additional 300K - I understand they could have offered him more, but him stepping down tells me they weren't going to.
I'm also actually not 100% sure that WSH could have simply offered more money...
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I'm also actually not 100% sure that WSH could have simply offered more money...
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I think they could have:
[quote]Negotiations over the terms of an extended contract broke down however, prompting Trotz to resign.{/quote]
I'm also actually not 100% sure that WSH could have simply offered more money...
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I think they could have:
[quote]Negotiations over the terms of an extended contract broke down however, prompting Trotz to resign.{/quote]
I could be wrong, but the way I understand it is...
They cannot re-negotiate the terms of the 2 year extension that kicked in but they could have added years beyond that for more money.
Because Trotz is probably going to consider retiring sooner than later, it wouldn't have really made sense to do that because he'd get more money over the next 2 years by becoming a "free agent"
Again, I might be off - that's how I am interpreting it.
I'm pretty sure coaching contracts can be ripped up at any time if
I don't know if that's always true or not, but if it is, then I guess the Capitals simply weren't willing to do that.
I think the Caps cheaped out. they were probably winning to go over the $1.8M, but not get him up to the $3M level that other cup winning coaches are getting.
I don't know if that's always true or not, but if it is, then I guess the Capitals simply weren't willing to do that.
I think the Caps cheaped out. they were probably winning to go over the $1.8M, but not get him up to the $3M level that other cup winning coaches are getting.
Just my guess.
Certainly possible.
Which would be sort of inexplicable, because the coach doesn't count against the cap and winning the Cup should have pulled in a good chunk of extra revenue.
I don't think Trotz is exactly a game-changing coach - but I do think he's pretty good, and they just won the Cup with him. Why not keep him around and try to do it again? PIT just did it - so it's not like it's completely out of the realm of possibilities.
Any contract can be ripped up and a new one drawn up if both parties agree. Usually you'd have to have the new one worked out and agreed upon and then dissolve the original one and there's really no reason they couldn't have done this if they both wanted to.
I'm also actually not 100% sure that WSH could have simply offered more money...
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
Trotz should fire his agent. That is a horrible clause.
second to last post is black letter, i.e., both parties can scrap the contract containing that extension language--that agreement is terminated by mutual agreement and superseded by a new, better (for Trotz) agreement. Obviously, Caps were unwilling to replace it with terms acceptable to Trotz as he viewed his position.
I go back to what arc said above: if you can make it through the Cup grind and win it all, it is not a fluke. Watching the semis- and finals, it was clear the Caps were all in. After a Cup win, you remove the Coach, or set the table for him not to return, it's playing with fire for next season for the team, its fans.
They prevented teams from interviewing him the last couple of years. So they probably had him in their succession plans all along. As I said in a previous post the important thing is to resign Carlson and Wilson. The rest of the players may be younger and cheaper to keep within the salary cap.
The org plays the same system thru out the leagues so giving Reirden his shot and plugging some holes seems like the way to go. It's hard to hold a cup winning team together. Just ask the Chi B'Hawks.
He at least should have joined that $3M group.
He should feel all kinds of shame. Keeping sorry ass, worst GM in the history of sports Ernie Grunfeld as the Wizards GM.
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Would the team's economics kill them to get Trotz up to $3M+? Leonsis should be ashamed of himself.
He should feel all kinds of shame. Keeping sorry ass, worst GM in the history of sports Ernie Grunfeld as the Wizards GM.
I'm not sure Trotz really wanted to stay, and the salary offer from DC made the decision an easy one.
I'm a Caps fan and I'm sorry to see him go. He's one of the good guys in the league. But the Organization plays a system from their minor league affiliates up to the bigs which can be carried forward. Would not be surprised if Lambert gets his chance.
The more important issue is resigning Carlson. I think they will move Grubauer for a draft pick. Should probably lockup Wilson as well. Should be interesting.
They already hired David Quinn.
He at least should have joined that $3M group.
I think it was a fluke, they definitely were hungry but man Tampa really blew it.
I am not surprised, he was a lame duck coach, and if the Caps lost in round 1 or 2 he would have been fired.
He won a cup, and now can go someplace where he will be loved.
Very happy this occurred, it is a bad look for the Caps and bad PR, will get them off the DC media darling for a little bit...which is good because Ted Leonsis is a jerk.
Everyone who wins earns it. Nothing about it was a "fluke" - they deserved it.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
Everyone who wins earns it. Nothing about it was a "fluke" - they deserved it.
They ain't a powerhouse and their decline is going to happen sooner or later, especially when Carlson leaves and they finally lose a real core player.
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The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
Clearly they didn't or weren't going to.
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even if you consider this year a fluke (I don't), the other cup winning coaches are getting well over $3M (Julien gets $5M and so does I believe Quenneville and Babcock - they might even be at 6M) Lavy and Sullivan over $3M, and Trotz was getting I believe $1.5M.
He at least should have joined that $3M group.
I think it was a fluke, they definitely were hungry but man Tampa really blew it.
I am not surprised, he was a lame duck coach, and if the Caps lost in round 1 or 2 he would have been fired.
He won a cup, and now can go someplace where he will be loved.
Very happy this occurred, it is a bad look for the Caps and bad PR, will get them off the DC media darling for a little bit...which is good because Ted Leonsis is a jerk.
Rover, I don't understand why you can't give the Capitals credit for winning the Cup and coming back from 3-2 down to beat TB.
This decision had very little to do with Leonsis, it was 100% Brian MacLellan. If he'd wanted to keep Trotz beyond this season he'd have signed him to an extension during the year instead of letting him walk.
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The clause in Trotz' contract said he'd get an additional 300k if he won a Stanley Cup - he can more than cover that by being hired elsewhere. Thus, he stepped down.
contractually he was guaranteed a 300k increase, doesn't mean the Caps couldn't have offered more.
Clearly they didn't or weren't going to.
Obviously - or they did but not enough of an increase, my point was just that it didn't have to be 300k plus his current contract. The Capitals had an opportunity to renegotiate.
Maybe it wasn't your intention but your post made it seems like that was the only choice in WAS.
So, now he'll get way more elsewhere.
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I think they could have:
[quote]Negotiations over the terms of an extended contract broke down however, prompting Trotz to resign.{/quote]
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I'm also actually not 100% sure that WSH could have simply offered more money...
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I think they could have:
[quote]Negotiations over the terms of an extended contract broke down however, prompting Trotz to resign.{/quote]
I could be wrong, but the way I understand it is...
They cannot re-negotiate the terms of the 2 year extension that kicked in but they could have added years beyond that for more money.
Because Trotz is probably going to consider retiring sooner than later, it wouldn't have really made sense to do that because he'd get more money over the next 2 years by becoming a "free agent"
Again, I might be off - that's how I am interpreting it.
I think the Caps cheaped out. they were probably winning to go over the $1.8M, but not get him up to the $3M level that other cup winning coaches are getting.
Just my guess.
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I don't know if that's always true or not, but if it is, then I guess the Capitals simply weren't willing to do that.
I think the Caps cheaped out. they were probably winning to go over the $1.8M, but not get him up to the $3M level that other cup winning coaches are getting.
Just my guess.
Certainly possible.
Which would be sort of inexplicable, because the coach doesn't count against the cap and winning the Cup should have pulled in a good chunk of extra revenue.
I don't think Trotz is exactly a game-changing coach - but I do think he's pretty good, and they just won the Cup with him. Why not keep him around and try to do it again? PIT just did it - so it's not like it's completely out of the realm of possibilities.
How things fell apart between Barry Trotz, Capitals - ( New Window )
Haha, yes - a very apt comparison!
That wasn't the point, dingus. The cheapness was. Get it together.
Any contract can be ripped up and a new one drawn up if both parties agree. Usually you'd have to have the new one worked out and agreed upon and then dissolve the original one and there's really no reason they couldn't have done this if they both wanted to.
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Point of clarification on the Trotz contract: as per the clause in his contract, winning the Stanley Cup automatically triggered the two-year extension with the modest raise so really, he had no choice but to step down unless he was happy with that extension and terms.
I go back to what arc said above: if you can make it through the Cup grind and win it all, it is not a fluke. Watching the semis- and finals, it was clear the Caps were all in. After a Cup win, you remove the Coach, or set the table for him not to return, it's playing with fire for next season for the team, its fans.
The org plays the same system thru out the leagues so giving Reirden his shot and plugging some holes seems like the way to go. It's hard to hold a cup winning team together. Just ask the Chi B'Hawks.
Were the Islanders current owners the ones who signed him in DC. My gut says NY here he comes!