Team chemistry our largest hurdle?

and talent across both lines, they remain works in progress.

Chemistry seems to be coming along fine. Even Apple and Flowers seem to be fitting in better.

No, the biggest hurdle is that not everything that currently looks better on paper at the moment will turn out to be actually better.

The OL should be better -- at least on the left side, and probably on the right as well. But will it be enough better? What if someone key goes down?

Will OBJ be his old self and stay healthy?
Will anyone emerge as a #2 outside WR that defenses have to take seriously?
Will there be enough pass rush? This one is gonna be huge.
Is there enough CB depth?
Are the Special Teams any better?
Will they have a reliable kicker? Or will that cost them a couple of games.

Chemistry is the least of it.

Will speak towards a new brotherhood within the locker-room. The same regime and OBJ wouldn't sniff the field without a new contract in place. That alone speaks volumes as he is our best player and one that needs to be extended.

The biggest hurdle to me is our coaching staff identifying and implementing the strengths of the players.

On O, Eli thrives in the up tempo type of flow. We now have a complete stud as a rookie RB that can block, run, and catch. I fully expect him to have an immediate impact. With EE, our receiving as a whole is arguably the best it has ever been. OBJ,SS,EE,Barkley and hopefully CL/RL can step up and produce. The line is improved dramatically and crossing fingers that Flowers can continue to improve.

On D, While I don't expect them to be as effective as 2016, they don't need to be. The DL has some youth, LB's were upgraded and Jenkins has to get back to a Pro-Bowl level. I expect Collins to bounce back and as far as Apple? The kid can play and he has a lot to prove to his teammates based on his dogging it much of 2017.

Very concerned with special teams though we have gone in a different direction via coaching.

As we all know, watching this O from 2012 on has been a shit show. The fact that OBJ has been able to do what he has done is a miracle. You don't see the long ball to him as much as you should ( very least a pass interference to keep the d honest). Pretty much all slants or quick screens.

While leading up to Barkley, This was a run the ball first O with minimal results. I expect coach S to obviously continue running the ball but I also expect some creativity. The screen pass has GOT to be a priority to Barkley.

I'm optimistic. With the exception of R*, every head coach here has enjoyed success 93,97 with Coughlin his second year with QB with half a year of starting experience.

with what appears to be lack of depth.
As always, until proven otherwise OL play, hopefully this has been adequately addressed. Those two aside, pass rush.

new offensive line.. almost new players at every position on the OL. Who is the nickel corner... who is the kicker and punter.. who is the safety starting next to Collins.. how will we generate a pass rush..

all bigger concerns to me than team chemistry..

The Giants are coming off a really bad season where the GM, HC and almost the whole coaching staff was fired. Some of the players were fired too, the ones that just didn't fit in or were not the best in the locker room or for whatever reason.

Everyone in this locker room has been given a chance to reboot their careers, start over and have a fresh set of eyes deciding their fates. It's a new day on all fronts (except us fans). I have to believe that everyone will be pulling in one direction, trying their best to survive and make it through the year. And if they are lucky, the coaches might really like them and let them make a career here.

Chemistry will naturally happen for this year.

Injury and some more depth might be

f*cked im prior versions of NFL but in today’s league, tons of roster turnover isnt a big deal.

In other words there is nobody playing ridiculously crisp, high level football. Sad as it may be. Hell the Eagles won the Super Bowl last year & the McAdoo Giants should’ve beaten them twice.

All teams integrate new players every year. It s why early season games have been so poorly played.

New players, less practice = lesser qualified play

Giants won t be at disadvantage. In fact, I don t know why, but I feel very cinythey ooen with win against the Jags.

how chemistry improves or erodes with winning or losing.

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how chemistry improves or erodes with winning or losing.

Just like injuries.

going into next season, you have OV (hasn't been great) and exactly who after that? a rookie, Kerry Wynn? I just don't see it, hope I'm wrong!

They don’t have to be all stars

of pulling chemistry from all quarters.

An offense that needs to learn how to score again. An offensive line that is in a complete rebuild. A defense that is taking on a new 3-4 scheme. Dangerously thin at WR, CB and LB. A 37-year skittish QB. All new coaches. Not to mention one of the more loaded years of good teams in the NFC.

Pick you poison on larger hurdles.

Chemistry?? We picked up Jonathan Stewart to fix that...

most other issues (besides injuries) can be overcome with team chemistry. Meaning everyone on the same page with the same vision on every play.
A pass rush can be produced with a great scheme and everyone sticking to their assignments. Will we have that? IDK but I like what I am hearing so far about our Linebackers.

Any teams special teams can be above average if they stick to individual assignments. Will our new guys do that? No Quinn to blame now (should have been gone a long time ago)

Everyone seems kumbaya now, will it last if we lose a few early?

Can these players pick up new schemes fast and gel? Will our schemes be simplified to start?

Will the offensive line keep Eli from running for his life? We know what a cohesive line looks like even though it has been awhile. To me, this is the biggest "chemistry" concern of all.

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lack of depth almost everywhere.

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Amen to that!

but there will be a learning curve for this team early on no doubt. We will see how the team as a whole handles that, and if they can overcome those issues. Love what I see so far, but wait till the real bullets start to fly. MO

Football is so different than the other two major US sports. Baseball is a one on one sport and players can be very selfish and excel. Basketball is a somewhat a one on one sport and players can be pretty selfish and excel. Football every play is 11 vs 11 and everyone needs to do their job or it all breaks down.

So if Chemistry means going out and having a beer after practice it probably doesn't mean much. But if you're taking about most of the 53 guys buying into the plan being chemistry it's vital. You'll never get everyone. But you better have most of them in football or you wind up with a new coach and a new GM.

Leadership often starts at the top - and I think McAdoo was a fairly shitty leader. He seemed to handle most locker room issues terribly, routinely threw his QB under the bus, and set crappy examples of accountability by giving certain guys free passes constantly while ragging on others.

is the biggest hurdle by far IMO. The offense starts and ends with an O-line that does it's job. They don't have to be great, being average would be a massive improvement from the line play of the last six to seven years.

I agree that McAdoo was a horrible leader. The differences between him and Shurmur in front of the press are striking.

They kept several "Citizens" around the past 2 seasons---especially at WR...this team has lacked talent.


In comment 13994390 Jimmy Googs said:

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An offense that needs to learn how to score again. An offensive line that is in a complete rebuild. A defense that is taking on a new 3-4 scheme. Dangerously thin at WR, CB and LB. A 37-year skittish QB. All new coaches. Not to mention one of the more loaded years of good teams in the NFC. Pick you poison on larger hurdles. Chemistry?? We picked up Jonathan Stewart to fix that...

As far as the Chemistry between the players is concerned. In any group of 49 guys there will be petty disputes, jealousy and not everyone will like each other. But as long as the team wins the "Chemistry" will somehow become fine. It only turns bad when the team sucks. However, I do believe that bad chemistry between the coaches and the players can have a destructive effect, in Particular when you have a coach who is stubborn and wants to force players to perform in his system when they are misfits for that system, and then the Coach starts pointing fingers at the players instead of himself... a la Mac-a-Dushe.

are putting an extraordinary amount of blame at the doorstep of McAdoo.

Likely well-deserved blame in numerous areas, but it seems like posters are taking it a step further that his dismissal automatically converts itself into additional wins this year.

Still got to play the games...just sayin'

Basically, you have a whole new OL.....even with Jones at center and Flowers at RT, basically because Jones has never played with the guys to the left and right of him , and vice versa....and Flowers has not played RT in the pros....so how long will this "chemistry" take?

And what about the defense? How long will it take for them to come together?

And as others have mentioned, virtually no depth at any position......on offense AND defense.....a couple key injuries, and the ship will start taking water fast.....

Getting Eli's production up to top tier.

Lots of hurdles obviously, but if your looking for one, this is it. While its possible to win with him putting up last years numbers by fixing other parts of the team. The most straightfoward is to get Eli to be more productive when it counts. Whether its him or his supporting cast, it doesn't matter. If his passer is rating on third downs goes over 100, Giants will make the playoffs

If you have been listening to Coach Shurmur they’re real happy the way everything has come together quicker than usual in shells and underwear which isn’t the same as pads of course but it’s the first hurdle ......A lot of you guys are forgetting the impact Barkley is going to have and I believe before it’s all said and done Jonathan Stewart is going to make a contribution to this team though many of you here don’t think so ....... I remember the same things said about Otis Anderson and Everson Walls
I am optimistic and I think the Gmen are going to do a lot better than people think this year.........

if you lose, it is miserable and fights and scapegoating happen. Team chemistry is always a win-loss thing. IN 2016, it was a lovefest around here. In 2017, it was a complete breakdown, with many of the same guys. The difference between going 11-5 and 3-13. That is chemistry and locker room in a nutshell. Now, one may argue that what came first the chicken or the egg, but given the difference in chemistry between 16 and 17, I think it is more record on field causing good or bad chemistry than good or bad chemistry causing winning or losing.

Chemistry the largest hurdle? That's some Homer nonsense.

In comment 14000818 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Chemistry the largest hurdle? That's some Homer nonsense.

And, here I thought our roster was our largest hurdle at the moment.