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NFT: any positive experiences with engineered wood flooring?

JesseS : 6/19/2018 3:43 pm
I'm in the process of purchasing a house that I had hoped had wood under the carpet, but unfortunately, does not. The first floor is hardwood. I'm coming from a house with hardwood floors throughout - huge, wide plank, awesome farmhouse flooring (it's an old country home).

For the sake of saving money, I was considering doing a self install, rather than go with lumber liquidators and saw that engineered wood has a click install system, as does Pergo laminates.

It is impossible to get a read on anything from the samples in store. What do these feel like? Obviously it won't feel like walking on hardwood, and we plan on having area rugs on top, but does it feel like cheap crap? Does it vary from brand to brand?
It varies widely  
lawguy9801 : 6/19/2018 3:52 pm : link
You can pay a lot per s/f and you pretty much can't tell whether it's wood or not, or you can be cheap and it shows, or somewhere in between. In one section of my house I have wood-style tile, and everyone loves it. In another I have Pergo XP, which doesn't feel like wood but nevertheless looks and feels nice to walk on.
My old house  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2018 3:56 pm : link
had pergo and I loved it, easy to clean, looked great, hard to scratch.

My current house has natural hard woods and they scratch easier, are harder to maintain, they are less slippery, but also look great.

As mentioned there are different level with varying qualities and prices.
If it’s quality engineered, it should feel the same  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2018 3:56 pm : link
The top layer is real hardwood. The downside is durability. It won’t wear as well, will dent more easily and can only be refinished once, if that. Formaldehyde emmisions can also be an issue.

I would personally go would hardwood unless you want it somewhere you can’t use real hardwood, such as a basement or over concrete.
I put engineered hardwood in upstairs bedroom  
10thAve : 6/19/2018 4:00 pm : link
got a mid-range price per sq foot. It looks good and is very easy to install. The boards just click and lock together. No nails, glue, etc. It looks and feels like hardwood, moreso than some vinyl alternatives. I got it from Home Depot. Plan on doing another bedroom with it over the next 6 months or so.

With that said we have real hardwood downstairs and you can tell the difference, but again I liked this better than the vinyl alternatives, for something cheaper than real hardwood.
Great info  
JesseS : 6/19/2018 4:01 pm : link
Thanks.

I'm hesitant to do real hardwood because that's a next level install, versus a floating install.

I'm trying to determine what is considered premium engineered versus cheap? Price doesn't always tell the whole story. These companies make so many different types, like Pergo, that it starts to seem like one type to the next is a lateral move versus a true hierarchy of quality versus el cheapo.
RE: I put engineered hardwood in upstairs bedroom  
JesseS : 6/19/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13994597 10thAve said:
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got a mid-range price per sq foot. It looks good and is very easy to install. The boards just click and lock together. No nails, glue, etc. It looks and feels like hardwood, moreso than some vinyl alternatives. I got it from Home Depot. Plan on doing another bedroom with it over the next 6 months or so.

With that said we have real hardwood downstairs and you can tell the difference, but again I liked this better than the vinyl alternatives, for something cheaper than real hardwood.


I'm sure it doesn't completely compare and having real hardwood downstairs will obviously be different, but then again downstairs will be free of area rugs and upstairs is bedrooms, hallways. So that provides an additional layer of camouflage :)
Terminology  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2018 4:03 pm : link
Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.
RE: Terminology  
JesseS : 6/19/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13994601 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.


I think they may have a small line of hardwoods - but I'm not sure XP falls within that. I'll need to look around the Hudson Valley (New York) for a place to shop around. I don't think I want to go the Home Depot/Lowes route.
RE: Terminology  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13994601 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.


Jesse mentioned Pergo (and highlighted it as a laminate) in his OP.
RE: RE: Terminology  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13994615 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13994601 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.



Jesse mentioned Pergo (and highlighted it as a laminate) in his OP.


Missed that. Just trying to make sure everyone was on the same page.
RE: RE: Terminology  
JesseS : 6/19/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13994615 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13994601 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.



Jesse mentioned Pergo (and highlighted it as a laminate) in his OP.


How does the Pergo laminate feel underfoot?
I just...  
Optimus Prime : 6/19/2018 4:24 pm : link
...finished laying bamboo in the final room if our house. It has been awesome so far, but the first room was only done a year and a half ago (I work slow). It looks great, is durable, and is easy to install. I used a company called Cali Bamboo. It does come from China, but that's where bamboo forests are rampant so it makes sense. It has survived a 6 year old and a 20-25lb crazy puggle perfectly. Like any material, there's a wide variety of what you can get. Cali Bamboo, depending on which you get, can be glued, nailed, or floated. I'm lazy and floated mine.
Last room - ( New Window )
RE: I just...  
JesseS : 6/19/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13994624 Optimus Prime said:
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...finished laying bamboo in the final room if our house. It has been awesome so far, but the first room was only done a year and a half ago (I work slow). It looks great, is durable, and is easy to install. I used a company called Cali Bamboo. It does come from China, but that's where bamboo forests are rampant so it makes sense. It has survived a 6 year old and a 20-25lb crazy puggle perfectly. Like any material, there's a wide variety of what you can get. Cali Bamboo, depending on which you get, can be glued, nailed, or floated. I'm lazy and floated mine. Last room - ( New Window )


It looks really nice!
RE: RE: RE: Terminology  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13994619 JesseS said:
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In comment 13994615 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13994601 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Since Pj brought up Pergo, it should be noted that it’s not engineered hardwood. It’s laminate.

Engineered hardwood bonds a thin layer of real hardwood to a plywood base. Laminate, like Pergo, bonds a photo of hardwood (or stone, tile, you name it) to a fiberboard or cork base. It’s then covered in a durable plastic top layer.



Jesse mentioned Pergo (and highlighted it as a laminate) in his OP.



How does the Pergo laminate feel underfoot?


Ours was very slippery. But I've read things you can do to make it less slippery, but we never did them.


Engineered is all over the map...  
Ryan : 6/19/2018 4:36 pm : link
...based on a variety of factors including the thickness of the wear layer, the overall thickness of the boards, the finish, wood species, aesthetics, etc. There's some really crappy stuff at 3/8" thick and a few bucks a sq ft up to $15/ sq ft and more for higher end stuff (as far as what's available at most accessible sellers - there's really limitless possibilities from custom mills).

I actually really like it if you spend the $ to get a good product (say a 3/16" wear layer and a 5/8" thickness) - you get access to widths, species and finishes that are simply out of most people's price ranges in solid wood. In most cases you'll get all long planks so you can get a more controlled layout and not have a busy look with raking light because off all the joints. It also moves less with fluctuations in temp/humidity which is a big deal in the NE since we go from Antarctica to African Rain Forrest in matter of minutes. It's being more and more widely used in higher end building -especially in more modern designs and by builders who value sustainability in their material choices.

The install isn't really markedly different as I probably wouldn't go the click and lock route. Most can be stapled down which is what I would do (and many installers like to glue as well). The benefit is the easier layout and the pieces will generally fit together easier than solid wood.

I recently put 6 1/2" wide pre-finished solid oak through my downstairs and have a little buyers remorse. It's just getting harder and harder to get a good product in solid wood across a number of species when you want a wide plank, as you end up with a lot of short pieces, which looks lousy and makes layout a pain. In my case most of the shorter stuff was also milled a bit narrower than the longer boards which was disappointing and took some strategizing when I was laying it down to hide the problems.

If I had to do it over again I would have gotten an unfinished white oak directly from a mill or a good engineered product.
It looks  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 7:10 pm : link
and feels like solid hardwood; and of course it is less expensive. But if you have kids and/or a big dog, and plan to live in the same home for many years, pay the extra for hardwood. The top veneer layer on engineered wood flooring is generally so thin you can never refinish it.
I had engineered wood installed  
Gregorio : 6/19/2018 11:18 pm : link
about 8 years ago, and it has been great.

I found a product with a thick wear layer, so that it can be sanded 2 or 3 times. Many of the engineered products have a thin wear layer that can only be sanded once. So far, I haven't had a need to sand it.

It's on top of a cement slab on the first floor of a 2 story townhouse. It is bonded with glue, so it goes; cement slab, vapor barrier, and the engineered wood bonded with glue.

The advice from most floor installers is, where you have a wooden base that can be nailed into, use regular wood. The benefit is you can get many sandings out of it over the course of it's life. On top of cement, use engineered hardwood bonded with glue.

Personally, I don't care for floating installations. They have some 'give' to the floor that doesn't feel right.
We have engineered hardwood throughout the house.  
Section331 : 6/20/2018 9:03 am : link
We had it put in upstairs in the bedroom/office area, and last year added it to the main living area. It looks great, easy to care for, and if any piece gets damaged, you can just slot in a replacement.

My wife initially wanted to do laminate, but I hated it. It looked fake, and I knew she would have hated it within a year. Engineered wood is more expensive, but definitely worth it, IMO.
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