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NFT: Yankees vs. Mariners game 1

Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 3:48 pm
Time for a new thread. I've always had particular contempt for the Mariners for 1995. Still pissed about that series. Anyway, the Mariners have been playing way, WAY above their heads. Time for some regression to the mean.

Hicks - CF
Judge - RF
Stanton - DH
Gregorius - SS
Sanchez - C
Torres - 2B
Bird - 1B
Andujar - 3B
Frazier - LF

Gordon - 2B
Segura - SS
Haniger - RF
Cruz - DH
Seager - 3B
Healy - 1B
Span - LF
Zunino - C
Heredia - CF

German vs. someone named Marco Gonzalez

Red Thunder baby!  
adamg : 6/19/2018 3:50 pm : link
Glad to see him get a start finally... let's get this W!
I count 6 baby bombers starting  
adamg : 6/19/2018 3:51 pm : link
I love this team
Love that lineup.  
Ryan in Albany : 6/19/2018 3:51 pm : link
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They are trying to raise Fraiser's value  
superspynyg : 6/19/2018 3:51 pm : link
as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team
Stanton
Judge
Gardner
Hicks

No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.
RE: They are trying to raise Fraiser's value  
superspynyg : 6/19/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:
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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team
Stanton
Judge
Gardner
Hicks

No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.


Frazier...not Fraiser..
Baby Bombers galore!  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 3:53 pm : link
Bird, Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Frazier - love it.
I'm sure they don't mind the exposure for Frazier  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 3:53 pm : link
But Gardner's got some knee inflammation, which is the reason he's sitting. Should only be out a few days.
RE: They are trying to raise Fraiser's value  
cokeduplt : 6/19/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:
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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team
Stanton
Judge
Gardner
Hicks

No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.



Don’t forget ellsbury unfortunately
I hope Frazier isn't just a dead man walking for this franchise.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 3:59 pm : link
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Who is on the absolute DO NOT TRADE list for the Yanks?  
DC Gmen Fan : 6/19/2018 4:03 pm : link
These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY.

Judge
Torres
Andujar
Severino


Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard.
RE: RE: They are trying to raise Fraiser's value  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13994593 cokeduplt said:
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Don’t forget ellsbury unfortunately


You'll never see Ellsbury in pinstripes again.
RE: Who is on the absolute DO NOT TRADE list for the Yanks?  
BleedBlue : 6/19/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13994600 DC Gmen Fan said:
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These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY.

Judge
Torres
Andujar
Severino


Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard.


take andujar off the list. while i love him, drury is a pretty damn good pro and due to the fact he is a major trade chip with depth behind him, he may be the guy moved for a SP.

i like andujar, i really do but to me the NO WAY DO YOU TRADES are

judge
severino
torres

those three are major pieces.

the following are the potential trade chips for a SP

frazier
florial
andujar
c adams
drury
walker
austin
hicks----i like him and think his + arm and defense are nice to have, he is also heating up at the plate.

and dare i say it...sanchez? i expect GS to bounce back, but you wouldnt see me cry if we were able to send him to the mets in a deal for degrom or thor.

my guess is they look to package andujar, adams, austin and a mid level prospect for a starter. could add florial or frazier to go up a tier in terms of SP return
there is no way in hell they're trading Sanchez  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:17 pm : link
Austin Romine is not a starting catcher on a championship team. Sorry.
Take note of the Sanchez doubters now  
adamg : 6/19/2018 4:21 pm : link
Dude is a stud. I wouldn't take any catcher over him.
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Bill2 : 6/19/2018 4:24 pm : link
Judge, Severino and Torres have the upside potential of the HOF. Not seeing that with anyone else.

Off topic...it would not bother me for cash to go get a SP and a RP.

Why am RP? So no one else has quite the deep long bullpen and because Robertson I believe is up for contract at the end of this year.

Getting a start RP allows us to trade Robertson this year...and for some teams a rp is a vital piece of their teams weak spot.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 4:26 pm : link
There's really no reason to deal away premium players like Sanchez. He's having a tough stretch but has shown some positive signs recently. There are about 25+ teams in this league who would probably love to have him right now instead of whatever else they have.

I still think the best course of action is pursuing a mid-level starter that won't cost you top tier chips. This team can be a force for a very long time if they let most of these young guys stick around and flourish.

They may have a little something with Johnny Lasagna, and Sheffield will also get a shot down the road. Patience here can reap some huge long-term rewards.
Yeah I really wouldn't force the issue...  
Dunedin81 : 6/19/2018 4:29 pm : link
another veteran starter would be nice, but if you're tempted to move a massive package for JA Happ just take a step back and remember that he's, well, JA Happ. They have a ton of offense, between Johnny Lasagna, German, Sheffield and a few others they have some internal options. If you're going to dig deep into the farm, make sure it's for the right guy.
RE: Take note of the Sanchez doubters now  
bigbluehoya : 6/19/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13994621 adamg said:
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Dude is a stud. I wouldn't take any catcher over him.


Yup. Guy has 60+ career homers and is still at an age younger than catchers generally break into the bigs.

He’s one of the more valuable young assets in the game, no hyperbole.
Frazier isn't going anywhere.  
manh george : 6/19/2018 4:37 pm : link
Yes, Ellsbury is done as a Yankee, and the Yankees want to see what Frazier can do for next year. Frazier's OPS at SWB has gone from .674 in 2016 to .816 last year to .947 this year, and he is still only 23. The upside potential with his world class bat speed and positive trajectory is too high for the Yankees to trade for less than a major talent.

There is no doubt, imo, that he had two different hitches in his swing last year--the overly upright stance, and the weird back leg kick. Apparently those are both gone to a large degree, so he really could continue to get better as a power hitter with speed, at that age.
Well, the hope is that Happ being a 35 year old rental  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:39 pm : link
keeps the price somewhat reasonable. Yeah, the Yankee tax, but as several people have pointed out the Blue Jays really have nothing to lose in a deal - they're going nowhere this year anyway and probably lose Happ as a free agent anyway.

It just depends on how much other teams are willing to deal. The Yankees undoubtedly have the ammo to best any other potential suitor's offer, but should they?
Frazier still doesn't have a position to play  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:40 pm : link
unless they plan on turning Judge or Stanton into a fulltime DH, or trade Stanton.
i'm not advocating for trading sanchez  
DC Gmen Fan : 6/19/2018 4:41 pm : link
I'm just saying the potential exists in the future to prioritze other guys. Going to be hard to keep these studs and pay them all.
Exposing a guy to ML plate appearances has usually been the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2018 4:43 pm : link
OPPOSITE of what Cashman does when he wants to build up a guy's value. Outside of the absolute elite starting pitchers (deGrom for example, not Michael Fulmer), I don't think Cash wants to trade Frazier. I would rather not trade him under ANY circumstances.

I wish Sanchez would start hitting again so the ridiculous complaints and trade stupidity would finally go away. He's batting under .200 and is still first (or tied for first) among ML catchers in HRs, RBIs, Run Scored, Walks, and is tied for third in Doubles.
If they can get Happ  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2018 4:44 pm : link
for something similar to the Jaime Garcia price, maybe a bit more, that'd be ideal and perfectly suitable without another realistic impact option truly available.

German is striking out 10.6 per 9 and Lasanga showed three plus pitches in his first start. Let's also see how much those two can give us before making any moves.
I wonder if reaching out and seeing what  
Hsilwek92 : 6/19/2018 4:44 pm : link
it would cost for Hand is even worth it. Sure would make the bullpen stacked. Cringe at what it the package would have to be though.
RE: i'm not advocating for trading sanchez  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13994644 DC Gmen Fan said:
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I'm just saying the potential exists in the future to prioritze other guys. Going to be hard to keep these studs and pay them all.


They're the goddamned Yankees. I know Hal is not the spender his father is, but they have the means to re-sign anyone they want.
RE: I wonder if reaching out and seeing what  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13994650 Hsilwek92 said:
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it would cost for Hand is even worth it. Sure would make the bullpen stacked. Cringe at what it the package would have to be though.


Report out of Boston a few hours ago said they asked for Devers.

Ahahahahahahahahahaaaa.
Tell me where Frazier plays, then  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:48 pm : link
Either he DHs, or Judge or Stanton does, or they trade Stanton. I think Frazier getting traded is more likely than any of those scenarios.
Stanton DHs the overwhelming majority of the time.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2018 4:49 pm : link
I don't think it's that difficult. That's probably the smartest thing for them to do in light of his contract.
You could carry Frazier, Judge and Stanton on the roster...  
Dunedin81 : 6/19/2018 4:52 pm : link
Brett Gardner is really the one keeping him off the field. And Brett isn't a good enough or durable enough CF at this point to play that everyday, plus Hicks is hitting now.
he's been the DH 31 times and outfield 37 times  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:53 pm : link
And I'm pretty sure he's said he doesn't want to be a fulltime DH.
Dune  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:54 pm : link
So 5 outfielders? That doesn't seem terribly likely.
RE: Dune  
Dunedin81 : 6/19/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13994662 Greg from LI said:
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So 5 outfielders? That doesn't seem terribly likely.


That's what I was getting at. Unless Gardner or Hicks goes down, it's tough to see him getting significant reps because the four guys who are there are all deserving in their own right, plus nobody else has options.
ok.....so we're in agreement  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 4:58 pm : link
Honestly, I could be persuaded that traded Stanton after the season and keeping Frazier could be the better long-term plan, but I seriously doubt the Yankees have any intention of doing that.
RE: he's been the DH 31 times and outfield 37 times  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13994661 Greg from LI said:
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And I'm pretty sure he's said he doesn't want to be a fulltime DH.


His opinion is far less important than whatever they told him prior to the trade. If they said he was going to play mostly in the field, that's one thing (one very stupid thing to be exact). As I said in the threads after the trade, I would've told him that the plan was for him to DH most of the time.
RE: You could carry Frazier, Judge and Stanton on the roster...  
Tesla : 6/19/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13994660 Dunedin81 said:
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Brett Gardner is really the one keeping him off the field. And Brett isn't a good enough or durable enough CF at this point to play that everyday, plus Hicks is hitting now.


Assuming the decline Gardner's option they could EASILY rotate Frazier, Stanton and Judge between RF, LF and DH next year...with Hicks as the everyday CF. In fact I see that as the most likely scenario at this point.
RE: Yeah I really wouldn't force the issue...  
Tesla : 6/19/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13994631 Dunedin81 said:
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another veteran starter would be nice, but if you're tempted to move a massive package for JA Happ just take a step back and remember that he's, well, JA Happ. They have a ton of offense, between Johnny Lasagna, German, Sheffield and a few others they have some internal options. If you're going to dig deep into the farm, make sure it's for the right guy.


Agreed (though Happ's actually been really good this year and pretty good over the past few years). But I would't overpay for him.

Once Tanaka comes back I wonder if they toy with the idea of using German/Loaisiga as tandem starters. Tell them to both go air it out for 3-4 innings per "start." Could make them each more effective and work to keep their innings down as well. I actually think something like this is how most teams will handle their 4th/5th starters spots moving forward.
I agree with Tesla.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 5:14 pm : link
The open DH spot allows for five outfielders next season - Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Frazier and a back-up CF. I wouldn't be shocked if Ellsbury is given the Sandoval treatment and Gardy is brought back in a lesser role (300 ABs or something as a CF/LF).
RE: I agree with Tesla.  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13994673 bceagle05 said:
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The open DH spot allows for five outfielders next season - Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Frazier and a back-up CF. I wouldn't be shocked if Ellsbury is given the Sandoval treatment and Gardy is brought back in a lesser role (300 ABs or something as a CF/LF).


I'm not sure I follow. If the open DH spot allows for 5 OF next year, why doesn't it this year?

Problem this year as I see it is they're carrying one too many pitchers. They'd rather have the extra guy in the pen as opposed to the extra OF, and I'm not sure I see that changing next year.

One of Gardy/Hicks will have to go if they want Frazier up next year,IMO and I think Gardy might be the odd man out.
It does allow for five OF this year, and they would've carried five  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 6:00 pm : link
had Ellsbury stayed healthy (Stanton primarily as DH, Ellsbury fourth OF). As Greg pointed out, Stanton probably wouldn't like a regular DH role, but that's life.
RE: RE: Who is on the absolute DO NOT TRADE list for the Yanks?  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13994612 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 13994600 DC Gmen Fan said:


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These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY.

Judge
Torres
Andujar
Severino


Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard.



take andujar off the list. while i love him, drury is a pretty damn good pro and due to the fact he is a major trade chip with depth behind him, he may be the guy moved for a SP.

i like andujar, i really do but to me the NO WAY DO YOU TRADES are

judge
severino
torres

those three are major pieces.

the following are the potential trade chips for a SP

frazier
florial
andujar
c adams
drury
walker
austin
hicks----i like him and think his + arm and defense are nice to have, he is also heating up at the plate.

and dare i say it...sanchez? i expect GS to bounce back, but you wouldnt see me cry if we were able to send him to the mets in a deal for degrom or thor.

my guess is they look to package andujar, adams, austin and a mid level prospect for a starter. could add florial or frazier to go up a tier in terms of SP return
You can add McKinney to that list
RE: They are trying to raise Fraiser's value  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:
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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team
Stanton
Judge
Gardner
Hicks

No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.
Not necessarily. Gardy is on the wrong side of 30, not having a good year, and in the last year of his contract. I think the team views Frazier as a top candidate to take over LF next year.
Unless Gardner really struggles in the 2nd half  
Dunedin81 : 6/19/2018 6:26 pm : link
They're going to pick up his option. He is cheap for his level of production and defense.
It’s probably a little of both  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 6:31 pm : link
Frazier has a future with this team and he should be called up when needed but if someone has a good offer I’m sure we will listen. This isn’t just an audition, we are trying to win games.
RE: It does allow for five OF this year, and they would've carried five  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13994686 bceagle05 said:
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had Ellsbury stayed healthy (Stanton primarily as DH, Ellsbury fourth OF). As Greg pointed out, Stanton probably wouldn't like a regular DH role, but that's life.


Ok, trying not be be dense here but how is that an open DH spot if Stanton is used primarily there? I took an open DH to mean it'll be open to be rotated for different guys like Sanchez, Judge, Stanton,Bird and anyone else who might need a day off from playing the field.

Happy or not, if that's Stantons main role, he's not an OF anymore and if they did that this year Frazier would be up as he'd be the 4th OF.

Next year either Gardy or Frazier isn't on the team because I don't see them keeping one less guy in the pen in order to keep 4 OF plus Stanton and I really don't see them making Stanton a full time DH. Personally I wish they would keep one less guy in the pen, both now and next year but it doesn't seem like they think that way.

As for Ells, who knows what they do with him but if he was healthy from the get go this year maybe Hicks would've been on the bubble.





Oh, I just meant it’s open for one of the OFers  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 6:51 pm : link
every day, presumably Stanton for a vast majority. I’m sure Sanchez will get his DHs days here and there. All I’m saying is we’re fitting five guys into four spots, not five guys into three. There’s no Matt Holliday type signed specifically to DH.
RE: Unless Gardner really struggles in the 2nd half  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13994691 Dunedin81 said:
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They're going to pick up his option. He is cheap for his level of production and defense.
Option? I don't believe there is an option year. Come 2019 Gardner is a UFA.
SpotTrac - ( New Window )
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 6:57 pm : link
Gardner does have a team option in '19.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 6:58 pm : link
The option is 12.5M or they could buy him out for 2.5.
Not according to the link  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 7:00 pm : link
I provided you.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:02 pm : link
The link is wrong.
But then a second Google search  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 7:02 pm : link
Says you are correct
MLB.com - ( New Window )
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:03 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:04 pm : link
My mistake on the buyout, though - 2M, not 2.5.
Great  
bluesince56 : 6/19/2018 7:14 pm : link
start to the game!
wtf  
BleedBlue : 6/19/2018 7:16 pm : link
that was an easy ass play for andujar...sucks.
Playing like we played 13 innings yesterday  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 7:17 pm : link
on a previously scheduled day off.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:19 pm : link
Can easily get out of this inning with just 1 run on the board - not a big deal.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:23 pm : link
Just like that.
Yankees better swing the bats.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 7:23 pm : link
This strike zone is quite generous.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:24 pm : link
I actually had no idea the Mariners had the longest playoff drought in ALL of pro sports. Bret Boone was their best player the last time they were in the postseason. I really would never have guessed that.
Stanton  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 7:29 pm : link
goes deep at the stadium
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:30 pm : link
Stanton with a bomb to dead center. Absolutely demolishing LHP.
Stanton coming alive in a big way these past few games.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 7:31 pm : link
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RE: Oh, I just meant it’s open for one of the OFers  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13994696 bceagle05 said:
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every day, presumably Stanton for a vast majority. I’m sure Sanchez will get his DHs days here and there. All I’m saying is we’re fitting five guys into four spots, not five guys into three. There’s no Matt Holliday type signed specifically to DH.


Ahh ok, gotcha.

I wouldn't mind that but I think they value having the DH more flexible for other players while also trying to keep Stanton happy and getting him out in the field a decent amount.

I'm not sure I see that changing next year, but I wish they'd find a way to keep five OF's. They love a long pen though and I think that's the big hurdle to get past for the extra OF.
Stanton suuuucks  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 7:36 pm : link
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Good grief - Seattle really crushed it  
bigbluehoya : 6/19/2018 7:38 pm : link
On the Segura / Haniger for Tijuan Walker / Ketel Marte deal. I just had to google that one. What a deal.
Damn, went for a beer after  
section125 : 6/19/2018 7:38 pm : link
Judge looked at strike 3 and came back Didi was up. Stanton's blast was quick...

Could be a big beer night!
Nice article re: Loiasiga and the Yankees development system  
Tesla : 6/19/2018 7:42 pm : link
on Fangraphs. Their ability to take middling prospects and develop them into upper tier prospects and good big league players has really been remarkable.
Link - ( New Window )
I may be in the minority on this  
MookGiants : 6/19/2018 7:47 pm : link
but Andujar is not untouchable to me. If he could be the big piece in a deal for a front line pitcher, i'd think very hard about it.

Torres is untouchable
RE: I may be in the minority on this  
bigbluehoya : 6/19/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13994738 MookGiants said:
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but Andujar is not untouchable to me. If he could be the big piece in a deal for a front line pitcher, i'd think very hard about it.

Torres is untouchable


I’m in the same boat. But I admittedly don’t have too many untouchables.

For me they’re Severino / Judge / Gleyber / Sanchez.

Also, not “untouchable” per se but I absolutely would not trade Florial right now, because I think his price would be too low relative to his potential at the moment due to the injury and his early-season struggles in the minors his year.
RE: I may be in the minority on this  
section125 : 6/19/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13994738 MookGiants said:
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but Andujar is not untouchable to me. If he could be the big piece in a deal for a front line pitcher, i'd think very hard about it.

Torres is untouchable


Since Drury is sitting there ready to be called up, you are correct. He is a better defender and plays multiple positions, while only 2 years older. Andujar is hard not to like, but for the right piece he can be traded.

Judge, Severino, Sanchez and Torres are the only untouchables IMHO. Florial might be close.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 7:56 pm : link
It would be easy to slot Drury right in if Andujar was moved and he'd be able to hold his own, so I could see that. Andujar is also struggling right now, so at this point in time it seems a little less drastic than it may have 2 weeks ago - but I do really like him. I guess it'd depend on the pitcher. If Andujar, one of the pitchers in the minors and another piece could get you someone like Snell, it might be worth at least considering.
RE: RE: I may be in the minority on this  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13994744 section125 said:
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In comment 13994738 MookGiants said:


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but Andujar is not untouchable to me. If he could be the big piece in a deal for a front line pitcher, i'd think very hard about it.

Torres is untouchable



Since Drury is sitting there ready to be called up, you are correct. He is a better defender and plays multiple positions, while only 2 years older. Andujar is hard not to like, but for the right piece he can be traded.

Judge, Severino, Sanchez and Torres are the only untouchables IMHO. Florial might be close.


I'm still Leary about Drury's migraines and double vision. Obviously he's feeling better and playing great in Scranton but to me that's not an injury like a break or something that when healed, it's healed.

Those things could flare up again in a heartbeat, and I know any player could get injured at any time, but this is more like a chronic condition than an actual injury.

No doubt Cash and the Yanks Dr's are on top of it and will make a good informed decision regarding trading him or Andujar if it comes to it.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:06 pm : link
German has some really nice swing and miss stuff. He's still only 25 years old.

I really think I'd see what some of these young guys can do before I started unloading legit chips for someone else.
There has been some chatter the last coupleof days  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:07 pm : link
that the Mets may be willing to trade Noah Syndergaard. The attached link is to an article where Joel Reuter speculates what the top 4 suitors could possibly give up to get him (including the Yankees).
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German!  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 8:08 pm : link
Gotta love his moxie to go along with the swing and a miss stuff. He doesn't seemed to get fazed by much, and can put a bad pitch or play behind him and focus right in on the next batter or inning.
F-ing bats  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:14 pm : link
are still ice cold
RE: There has been some chatter the last coupleof days  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13994754 Beer Man said:
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that the Mets may be willing to trade Noah Syndergaard. The attached link is to an article where Joel Reuter speculates what the top 4 suitors could possibly give up to get him (including the Yankees). Bleacher Report - ( New Window )


They're petty and I'm not even sure an offer centered around Florial will be enough to pry Syndergaard away.

Beyond that, there are injury issues and he still has a lot to learn about actually pitching. He's still been excellent thus far in his career but he's one of those guys who just isn't economical with his pitches. He has electrifying stuff - some of the best pure stuff in all of baseball, but he routinely has his PC climb rapidly because he can't retire hitters quickly.

If NYY are going to deal with the Mets, just take the extra step and acquire deGrom. I wouldn't target Syndergaard.
RE: RE: There has been some chatter the last coupleof days  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13994757 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13994754 Beer Man said:


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that the Mets may be willing to trade Noah Syndergaard. The attached link is to an article where Joel Reuter speculates what the top 4 suitors could possibly give up to get him (including the Yankees). Bleacher Report - ( New Window )



They're petty and I'm not even sure an offer centered around Florial will be enough to pry Syndergaard away.

Beyond that, there are injury issues and he still has a lot to learn about actually pitching. He's still been excellent thus far in his career but he's one of those guys who just isn't economical with his pitches. He has electrifying stuff - some of the best pure stuff in all of baseball, but he routinely has his PC climb rapidly because he can't retire hitters quickly.

If NYY are going to deal with the Mets, just take the extra step and acquire deGrom. I wouldn't target Syndergaard.
Agree, but Syndergaard is 5 years younger and has 3 1/2 years of control.
Syndergaard is 5 years younger, though  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 8:19 pm : link
And I can live with that price - some major upside there but Florial and Medina are far from can't miss guys.

No way the Mets would take so little.
Has Boone commented on how  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 8:20 pm : link
far he’s willing to let German pitch? Would he let him get to 90 pitches, assuming he was still pitching well?
Hell of a start so far for German  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 8:20 pm : link
1 hit, 1 run, 7 strikeouts
German + Sevy  
Giantsfan79 : 6/19/2018 8:21 pm : link
could make a real nice 1/2 punch in terms of high strikeout pitchers.
RE: RE: RE: There has been some chatter the last coupleof days  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13994758 Beer Man said:
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that the Mets may be willing to trade Noah Syndergaard. The attached link is to an article where Joel Reuter speculates what the top 4 suitors could possibly give up to get him (including the Yankees). Bleacher Report - ( New Window )



They're petty and I'm not even sure an offer centered around Florial will be enough to pry Syndergaard away.

Beyond that, there are injury issues and he still has a lot to learn about actually pitching. He's still been excellent thus far in his career but he's one of those guys who just isn't economical with his pitches. He has electrifying stuff - some of the best pure stuff in all of baseball, but he routinely has his PC climb rapidly because he can't retire hitters quickly.

If NYY are going to deal with the Mets, just take the extra step and acquire deGrom. I wouldn't target Syndergaard.

Agree, but Syndergaard is 5 years younger and has 3 1/2 years of control.


Absolutely, that does impact the discussion - but I also think because of that, the Mets will turn around and try to use that as leverage to ask for even more.

I truly believe the Mets would rather be petty than see someone like deGrom or Syndergaard win a World Series with NYY. Which is exactly why they are where they are.

The package they could get from NYY for either guy would provide some very big building blocks for their future and would get them back on track much faster than they would by just keeping them (or at least I think so) - but the way they operate, they'll demand something completely outlandish or just walk away. It's stupid, but that's how things go there.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:24 pm : link
FWIW, if a package of Florial, Medina, Carroll and McKinley netted you Syndergaard, I think you'd have to do it - I just think they'd demand more than that. A good bit more.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:25 pm : link
And there's Mr. Andjuar on cue.
Andujar  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 8:26 pm : link
the star!!
Getting Miggy with it  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 8:26 pm : link
Andujar gets the sand wedge out for that one
Man that was crushed  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 8:27 pm : link
huge hit for Andujar
Really would be nice to make this one a laugher  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
The pen could use the rest.
Andujar is a beast.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
And there goes Hicks!

He's on fire right now.
Hicks!  
Del Shofner : 6/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
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About time  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
the bats woke up
And now it’s Hicks’ turn  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 8:30 pm : link
hope the haters shut up for a while
Judge remains ice cold though  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 8:31 pm : link
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Hicks!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 8:31 pm : link
Gosh, I love this team.
They need to keep Frazier up  
Dunedin81 : 6/19/2018 8:33 pm : link
If only because of the impact the footsteps have on Hicks's OPS.
RE: Judge remains ice cold though  
section125 : 6/19/2018 8:34 pm : link
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Like Sanchez, he's making solid contact and not getting results.

They are hitting this guy hard, very hard. Even outs are hard hit.
RE: Has Boone commented on how  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13994760 UConn4523 said:
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far he’s willing to let German pitch? Would he let him get to 90 pitches, assuming he was still pitching well?


I think so. Pretty sure he's been stretched out to that already or pretty darn close to it.

I think it'll have more to do with how taxing his pitches actually are. If he coasts like he has been, sure but if 15 or so are really tough,pressure pitches, he'll probably yank him at 80ish IMO.
RE: They need to keep Frazier up  
section125 : 6/19/2018 8:35 pm : link
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If only because of the impact the footsteps have on Hicks's OPS.


They need 28 spots on this roster....
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:35 pm : link
Seattle needs another year I think - I'm not really buying them yet. There's a lot of good players on that team but at best I see them topping out in the DS. More likely they lose a play-in because I'd bet money on HOU winning the ALW.
Andujar  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2018 8:40 pm : link
hit a pitch at his ankles 110mph and 427 feet. That’s special. I understand Mook’s point, he’s not completely untouchable like Torres. But he’s damn close.
I wish they could get Gray  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:40 pm : link
to consistently maintain the same pace as German. The kid just follows the catchers lead, trusts his stuff, and fires away.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:41 pm : link
German looks fantastic.
Love German's rhythm  
section125 : 6/19/2018 8:42 pm : link
right now. Catch the ball, get sign, throw the ball, repeat.

We are all seeing  
section125 : 6/19/2018 8:43 pm : link
the same thing with German.
Lot of bats waking up right now  
mfsd : 6/19/2018 8:44 pm : link
Hicks, Stanton, Didi. I feel like Sanchez and Bird are close too

On the broadcast Kay said El Gary’s lineout to LF was the hardest hit ball in MLB so far this season at 121 MPH. Previous high was a ground ball single by Judge at 119.9 on 5/27

And German looks brilliant tonight
RE: RE: They need to keep Frazier up  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13994783 section125 said:
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If only because of the impact the footsteps have on Hicks's OPS.



They need 28 spots on this roster....


I've thought for a while MLB should have 27-28 man rosters but only have 25 active each game. It's about paying the players though so it'll probably never happen.

I feel the same about the NFL.
RE: Lot of bats waking up right now  
Beer Man : 6/19/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13994792 mfsd said:
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Hicks, Stanton, Didi. I feel like Sanchez and Bird are close too

On the broadcast Kay said El Gary’s lineout to LF was the hardest hit ball in MLB so far this season at 121 MPH. Previous high was a ground ball single by Judge at 119.9 on 5/27

And German looks brilliant tonight
Bird seems to be hitting a lot of balls at people, the shift has a lot to do with that. Sanchez, I'm not sure. He is making decent contact tonight, but last night he looked frustrated and lost. That first game where he struck out on a pitch that bounced 1 to 2 feet in front of the plate was just ugly.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 8:52 pm : link
This game is flying.

It's not even 9pm and we're just about halfway through 7.
Can't ask for more than that from German  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 8:58 pm : link
Great,impressive outing against a really good team.

He showed me something in the game he lost to the Stros at the Stadium a couple of weeks back. He gave up the early 3run HR but bounced back to get a bunch of K's and weak outs just like tonight. Two top hitting teams he had a ton of swings and misses against.

Gotta love it.



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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:05 pm : link
Hicks is scorching.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:07 pm : link
Can probably give Betances the night off now.
Judge needed that, hard clean line drive RBI single  
mfsd : 6/19/2018 9:11 pm : link
Even the Yanks foul balls and outs are being crushed tonight

Good game for Warren in relief I think
Bah, Didi just got under that one  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 9:13 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:14 pm : link
LOL, wow.. 22 days rest for Cole. This should be interesting.
Good start  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 9:17 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:18 pm : link
Yessir!

2 down.
GLEYBER is good..  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
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Damn, what’s blast by Torres  
UConn4523 : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
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Gleyber with a Judgian bomb!!  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
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its Gleyber’s world!  
mfsd : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
We’re all just living in it
Gleyber!  
Del Shofner : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
some shot there...
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
Yep - absolutely no chance I would even consider trading this kid. He's incredible.
I don't think anyone predicted this kind of power  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 9:28 pm : link
From Torres
RE: .  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 9:30 pm : link
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LOL, wow.. 22 days rest for Cole. This should be interesting.


And the guy didn't miss a beat. He did the same thing last time he had a long layoff. Came in and went right to work.

Gotta let him finish this one I'd think.
How much fun are these  
section125 : 6/19/2018 9:33 pm : link
guys having? Paul O'Neill is just revelling in it. I loved many Yankees teams. But this one even beats 1998 in just sheer fun.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13994826 Eman11 said:
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LOL, wow.. 22 days rest for Cole. This should be interesting.



And the guy didn't miss a beat. He did the same thing last time he had a long layoff. Came in and went right to work.

Gotta let him finish this one I'd think.


Really impressive - I didn't think he'd be nearly as sharp.

I think Gleyber broke StatCast.. LOL
RE: How much fun are these  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13994828 section125 said:
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guys having? Paul O'Neill is just revelling in it. I loved many Yankees teams. But this one even beats 1998 in just sheer fun.


Good point. Paul was my favorite Yankee during the late 90's/early 2000's. So, to hear my favorite Yankee from those great teams gush about this lovable Yankees team has been an absolute treat for me.
nice wish they were all that easy! lol  
Stu11 : 6/19/2018 9:39 pm : link
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Fun game  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 9:40 pm : link
German, Andujar, Gleyber were big.
Good win against a hot  
section125 : 6/19/2018 9:40 pm : link
team.

King Felix manana....
Nice to be able to give Chapman the night off  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 9:40 pm : link
and still win.
German was really sharp and with  
section125 : 6/19/2018 9:43 pm : link
such an easy delivery. Best game yet. Maybe he'll settle down. Just need him to get out of the 1st inning....
Gleyber's played 50 games - 14 HR / 35 RBI.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 9:47 pm : link
Quite an introduction.
Damn that AJ Cole pitches once every 3 weeks  
Stu11 : 6/19/2018 9:49 pm : link
but damned if he doesn't just come in and get everyone out whenever they ask.
Chapman needed a night off badly  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2018 9:50 pm : link
Fun to watch this group when they’re launching like this

Gary is going to breakout soon. Keep squaring the ball up like that and he’ll be fine

German has special stuff. Fastball command and some first inning issues the main obstacles for him right now but he’s getting a lot of swings and misses
RE: Damn that AJ Cole pitches once every 3 weeks  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/19/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13994840 Stu11 said:
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but damned if he doesn't just come in and get everyone out whenever they ask.


Not a bad gig, right?
RE: Good win against a hot  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13994834 section125 said:
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team.

King Felix manana....


Crazy to think that as good as Felix was for so long, he never got to throw a single pitch in the postseason.

That should finally change this year. But he's a far, far cry from the elite CYA winner he once was.
This team is special. And they are so deep that they keep trading  
yatqb : 6/19/2018 10:04 pm : link
MLB-ready players for younger guys or IFA money. So they can keep signing more IFA prospects than most other teams. So the talent will keep coming for years. Great time to be a Yankee fan!
I'm not trying to be the Yankee version of Baghdad Z here  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2018 10:21 pm : link
But Cole WAS a top 100 prospect not too long ago. Maybe they found something in him.
Cole has been a pleasant surprise  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 10:27 pm : link
not sure why he's had 22 days off. Injury?
RE: Cole has been a pleasant surprise  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13994855 dune69 said:
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not sure why he's had 22 days off. Injury?


Hasn't been hurt, they literally just haven't needed him. The pen had something like a 0.50 ERA over the last ~3 weeks. Pretty much every single guy has been dominant whether it be Green, Holder, Betances, Chapman, Warren, or Robertson. Shreve is really the only guy who hasn't pitched that well.

Just absolutely loaded on the back end right now - and that's what you need to be playing deep into October.

This team is set up beautifully right now. I really wouldn't mess with this.
RE: RE: Cole has been a pleasant surprise  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13994858 arcarsenal said:
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not sure why he's had 22 days off. Injury?



Hasn't been hurt, they literally just haven't needed him. The pen had something like a 0.50 ERA over the last ~3 weeks. Pretty much every single guy has been dominant whether it be Green, Holder, Betances, Chapman, Warren, or Robertson. Shreve is really the only guy who hasn't pitched that well.

Just absolutely loaded on the back end right now - and that's what you need to be playing deep into October.

This team is set up beautifully right now. I really wouldn't mess with this.


True and good point. Kahnle is also working his way back. We have had unbelievable pitching for a long stretch.
Red Sox down 6-2  
dune69 : 6/19/2018 11:07 pm : link
and get one more chance in 9th.
RE: Red Sox down 6-2  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 11:08 pm : link
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and get one more chance in 9th.


Excellent! Always nice seeing them lose a Sale game.
RE: RE: Red Sox down 6-2  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 11:15 pm : link
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and get one more chance in 9th.



Excellent! Always nice seeing them lose a Sale game.


Yup. When the Ace loses it ramps up the pressure on the rotation. They've got two more in Minn and then home to Seattle.

They were down 2-1 into the top of the 8th and tied it up only to have the Twins get four in the bottom of the 8th off their pen. Scott and Kelly coughed up the four runs.

Heading to top 9.
Sox lose to Twins  
Eman11 : 6/19/2018 11:26 pm : link
6-2
Houston finally loses, too.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2018 11:31 pm : link
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Good game,  
prdave73 : 6/20/2018 12:17 am : link
great win against a good team. Gleyber is a stud, hands down.
It's a Yankees night  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/20/2018 12:39 am : link
with Boston (and Houston) losing. Beautiful.
Oh wow, it was a Sale game that BOS lost, too.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/20/2018 12:55 am : link
Even better.
Andujar is going to be a stud, too.  
manh george : 6/20/2018 3:03 am : link
The Yankees have so much young talent right now that it is really easy to forget how far ahead of schedule he is as a 23-year-old power hitter.

427 feet HR tonight (linked). 11 of his last 18 hits have been for extra bases. Of course, he leads all rookies in extra base hits. And he's 24th in the entire majors in OPS. Think about that: The average major league team has 0.8 players with a higher OPS than Andujar, and only what's his name, that second base guy, has a higher rookie OPS with at least 50 games played this year.

It's too deep into the season to be a fluke.
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I watch the pitching  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/20/2018 9:54 am : link
Domingo German has really great stuff. He can throw hard and his breaking balls have late movement, and he has a above average change up. Many of the strikes he threw were un-hittable. Here is a guy who was somewhat overlooked and unheard of but he has shown he belongs in the Major Leagues and deserves to be a permanent member of this rotation. A much better pitcher than Sonny Gray, in my opinion.
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