NFT: Yankees vs. Mariners game 1

Glad to see him get a start finally... let's get this W!

I love this team

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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team
Stanton
Judge
Gardner
Hicks

No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.

In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:

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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team Stanton Judge Gardner Hicks No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.

Frazier...not Fraiser..

Bird, Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Frazier - love it.

But Gardner's got some knee inflammation, which is the reason he's sitting. Should only be out a few days.

In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:

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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team Stanton Judge Gardner Hicks No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.

Don’t forget ellsbury unfortunately

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These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY.

Judge
Torres
Andujar
Severino


Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard.

In comment 13994593 cokeduplt said:

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Don’t forget ellsbury unfortunately

You'll never see Ellsbury in pinstripes again.

In comment 13994600 DC Gmen Fan said:

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These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY. Judge Torres Andujar Severino Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard.

take andujar off the list. while i love him, drury is a pretty damn good pro and due to the fact he is a major trade chip with depth behind him, he may be the guy moved for a SP.

i like andujar, i really do but to me the NO WAY DO YOU TRADES are

judge
severino
torres

those three are major pieces.

the following are the potential trade chips for a SP

frazier
florial
andujar
c adams
drury
walker
austin
hicks----i like him and think his + arm and defense are nice to have, he is also heating up at the plate.

and dare i say it...sanchez? i expect GS to bounce back, but you wouldnt see me cry if we were able to send him to the mets in a deal for degrom or thor.

my guess is they look to package andujar, adams, austin and a mid level prospect for a starter. could add florial or frazier to go up a tier in terms of SP return

Austin Romine is not a starting catcher on a championship team. Sorry.

Dude is a stud. I wouldn't take any catcher over him.

Judge, Severino and Torres have the upside potential of the HOF. Not seeing that with anyone else.

Off topic...it would not bother me for cash to go get a SP and a RP.

Why am RP? So no one else has quite the deep long bullpen and because Robertson I believe is up for contract at the end of this year.

Getting a start RP allows us to trade Robertson this year...and for some teams a rp is a vital piece of their teams weak spot.

There's really no reason to deal away premium players like Sanchez. He's having a tough stretch but has shown some positive signs recently. There are about 25+ teams in this league who would probably love to have him right now instead of whatever else they have.

I still think the best course of action is pursuing a mid-level starter that won't cost you top tier chips. This team can be a force for a very long time if they let most of these young guys stick around and flourish.

They may have a little something with Johnny Lasagna, and Sheffield will also get a shot down the road. Patience here can reap some huge long-term rewards.

another veteran starter would be nice, but if you're tempted to move a massive package for JA Happ just take a step back and remember that he's, well, JA Happ. They have a ton of offense, between Johnny Lasagna, German, Sheffield and a few others they have some internal options. If you're going to dig deep into the farm, make sure it's for the right guy.

In comment 13994621 adamg said:

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Dude is a stud. I wouldn't take any catcher over him.

Yup. Guy has 60+ career homers and is still at an age younger than catchers generally break into the bigs.

He’s one of the more valuable young assets in the game, no hyperbole.

Yes, Ellsbury is done as a Yankee, and the Yankees want to see what Frazier can do for next year. Frazier's OPS at SWB has gone from .674 in 2016 to .816 last year to .947 this year, and he is still only 23. The upside potential with his world class bat speed and positive trajectory is too high for the Yankees to trade for less than a major talent.

There is no doubt, imo, that he had two different hitches in his swing last year--the overly upright stance, and the weird back leg kick. Apparently those are both gone to a large degree, so he really could continue to get better as a power hitter with speed, at that age.

keeps the price somewhat reasonable. Yeah, the Yankee tax, but as several people have pointed out the Blue Jays really have nothing to lose in a deal - they're going nowhere this year anyway and probably lose Happ as a free agent anyway.

It just depends on how much other teams are willing to deal. The Yankees undoubtedly have the ammo to best any other potential suitor's offer, but should they?

unless they plan on turning Judge or Stanton into a fulltime DH, or trade Stanton.

I'm just saying the potential exists in the future to prioritze other guys. Going to be hard to keep these studs and pay them all.

OPPOSITE of what Cashman does when he wants to build up a guy's value. Outside of the absolute elite starting pitchers (deGrom for example, not Michael Fulmer), I don't think Cash wants to trade Frazier. I would rather not trade him under ANY circumstances.

I wish Sanchez would start hitting again so the ridiculous complaints and trade stupidity would finally go away. He's batting under .200 and is still first (or tied for first) among ML catchers in HRs, RBIs, Run Scored, Walks, and is tied for third in Doubles.

for something similar to the Jaime Garcia price, maybe a bit more, that'd be ideal and perfectly suitable without another realistic impact option truly available.

German is striking out 10.6 per 9 and Lasanga showed three plus pitches in his first start. Let's also see how much those two can give us before making any moves.

it would cost for Hand is even worth it. Sure would make the bullpen stacked. Cringe at what it the package would have to be though.

In comment 13994644 DC Gmen Fan said:

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I'm just saying the potential exists in the future to prioritze other guys. Going to be hard to keep these studs and pay them all.

They're the goddamned Yankees. I know Hal is not the spender his father is, but they have the means to re-sign anyone they want.

In comment 13994650 Hsilwek92 said:

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it would cost for Hand is even worth it. Sure would make the bullpen stacked. Cringe at what it the package would have to be though.

Report out of Boston a few hours ago said they asked for Devers.

Ahahahahahahahahahaaaa.

Either he DHs, or Judge or Stanton does, or they trade Stanton. I think Frazier getting traded is more likely than any of those scenarios.

I don't think it's that difficult. That's probably the smartest thing for them to do in light of his contract.

Brett Gardner is really the one keeping him off the field. And Brett isn't a good enough or durable enough CF at this point to play that everyday, plus Hicks is hitting now.

And I'm pretty sure he's said he doesn't want to be a fulltime DH.

So 5 outfielders? That doesn't seem terribly likely.

In comment 13994662 Greg from LI said:

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So 5 outfielders? That doesn't seem terribly likely.

That's what I was getting at. Unless Gardner or Hicks goes down, it's tough to see him getting significant reps because the four guys who are there are all deserving in their own right, plus nobody else has options.

Honestly, I could be persuaded that traded Stanton after the season and keeping Frazier could be the better long-term plan, but I seriously doubt the Yankees have any intention of doing that.

In comment 13994661 Greg from LI said:

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And I'm pretty sure he's said he doesn't want to be a fulltime DH.

His opinion is far less important than whatever they told him prior to the trade. If they said he was going to play mostly in the field, that's one thing (one very stupid thing to be exact). As I said in the threads after the trade, I would've told him that the plan was for him to DH most of the time.

In comment 13994660 Dunedin81 said:

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Brett Gardner is really the one keeping him off the field. And Brett isn't a good enough or durable enough CF at this point to play that everyday, plus Hicks is hitting now.

Assuming the decline Gardner's option they could EASILY rotate Frazier, Stanton and Judge between RF, LF and DH next year...with Hicks as the everyday CF. In fact I see that as the most likely scenario at this point.

In comment 13994631 Dunedin81 said:

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another veteran starter would be nice, but if you're tempted to move a massive package for JA Happ just take a step back and remember that he's, well, JA Happ. They have a ton of offense, between Johnny Lasagna, German, Sheffield and a few others they have some internal options. If you're going to dig deep into the farm, make sure it's for the right guy.

Agreed (though Happ's actually been really good this year and pretty good over the past few years). But I would't overpay for him.

Once Tanaka comes back I wonder if they toy with the idea of using German/Loaisiga as tandem starters. Tell them to both go air it out for 3-4 innings per "start." Could make them each more effective and work to keep their innings down as well. I actually think something like this is how most teams will handle their 4th/5th starters spots moving forward.

The open DH spot allows for five outfielders next season - Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Frazier and a back-up CF. I wouldn't be shocked if Ellsbury is given the Sandoval treatment and Gardy is brought back in a lesser role (300 ABs or something as a CF/LF).

In comment 13994673 bceagle05 said:

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The open DH spot allows for five outfielders next season - Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Frazier and a back-up CF. I wouldn't be shocked if Ellsbury is given the Sandoval treatment and Gardy is brought back in a lesser role (300 ABs or something as a CF/LF).

I'm not sure I follow. If the open DH spot allows for 5 OF next year, why doesn't it this year?

Problem this year as I see it is they're carrying one too many pitchers. They'd rather have the extra guy in the pen as opposed to the extra OF, and I'm not sure I see that changing next year.

One of Gardy/Hicks will have to go if they want Frazier up next year,IMO and I think Gardy might be the odd man out.

had Ellsbury stayed healthy (Stanton primarily as DH, Ellsbury fourth OF). As Greg pointed out, Stanton probably wouldn't like a regular DH role, but that's life.

In comment 13994612 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13994600 DC Gmen Fan said: Quote: These guys are going to beed to be either trade bait or will command lots of money in a few years. But I think the following guys absolutely need to be locked up with NYY. Judge Torres Andujar Severino Thoughts? I think we can replace Sanchez eventually with a more consistent hitter, and we could probably replace Bird too if needed with a vet. Frazier is still a wildcard. take andujar off the list. while i love him, drury is a pretty damn good pro and due to the fact he is a major trade chip with depth behind him, he may be the guy moved for a SP. i like andujar, i really do but to me the NO WAY DO YOU TRADES are judge severino torres those three are major pieces. the following are the potential trade chips for a SP frazier florial andujar c adams drury walker austin hicks----i like him and think his + arm and defense are nice to have, he is also heating up at the plate. and dare i say it...sanchez? i expect GS to bounce back, but you wouldnt see me cry if we were able to send him to the mets in a deal for degrom or thor. my guess is they look to package andujar, adams, austin and a mid level prospect for a starter. could add florial or frazier to go up a tier in terms of SP return

You can add McKinney to that list

In comment 13994586 superspynyg said:

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as the trade deadline approaches. Too many OF on this team Stanton Judge Gardner Hicks No room for Fraiser to get regular playing time.

Not necessarily. Gardy is on the wrong side of 30, not having a good year, and in the last year of his contract. I think the team views Frazier as a top candidate to take over LF next year.

They're going to pick up his option. He is cheap for his level of production and defense.

Frazier has a future with this team and he should be called up when needed but if someone has a good offer I’m sure we will listen. This isn’t just an audition, we are trying to win games.

In comment 13994686 bceagle05 said:

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had Ellsbury stayed healthy (Stanton primarily as DH, Ellsbury fourth OF). As Greg pointed out, Stanton probably wouldn't like a regular DH role, but that's life.

Ok, trying not be be dense here but how is that an open DH spot if Stanton is used primarily there? I took an open DH to mean it'll be open to be rotated for different guys like Sanchez, Judge, Stanton,Bird and anyone else who might need a day off from playing the field.

Happy or not, if that's Stantons main role, he's not an OF anymore and if they did that this year Frazier would be up as he'd be the 4th OF.

Next year either Gardy or Frazier isn't on the team because I don't see them keeping one less guy in the pen in order to keep 4 OF plus Stanton and I really don't see them making Stanton a full time DH. Personally I wish they would keep one less guy in the pen, both now and next year but it doesn't seem like they think that way.

As for Ells, who knows what they do with him but if he was healthy from the get go this year maybe Hicks would've been on the bubble.

every day, presumably Stanton for a vast majority. I’m sure Sanchez will get his DHs days here and there. All I’m saying is we’re fitting five guys into four spots, not five guys into three. There’s no Matt Holliday type signed specifically to DH.

In comment 13994691 Dunedin81 said:

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They're going to pick up his option. He is cheap for his level of production and defense.

Option? I don't believe there is an option year. Come 2019 Gardner is a UFA.
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Gardner does have a team option in '19.

The option is 12.5M or they could buy him out for 2.5.

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