Baseball is entertainment, and we are consumers. The Mets are basically running a scam where the Coupons are using the team to pay down their personal debt at the expense of their customers. Fuck them. In any other business, if the company you are investing resources in is actively looking to fuck you over, you'd jump ship, too. The Mets are breaking me as well, and while I can't just stop being a Mets fan and become a fan of another team, my passion and rooting interest in the team is definitely decreasing despite my love for baseball still being at an all time high.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
No blame here either. Like you, Im 39 and has been following since 1990. But I will be switching for the sake of my young children.
Any human being on who or what team they should root for but you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this team. Enjoy the Yankees run but I do hope if the Mets do turn things around eventually we see you back. No reason why you couldn’t root for 2 teams. I’ll miss seeing you in our threads.
Any human being on who or what team they should root for but you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this team. Enjoy the Yankees run but I do hope if the Mets do turn things around eventually we see you back. No reason why you couldn’t root for 2 teams. I’ll miss seeing you in our threads.
Appreciate it, bud. We haven't always agreed on everything, but I've sure as hell respected your unbridled optimism and way of seeing things through when they're darkest. You're as loyal as they come.
are you going to embrace Yankees history or just start from June 20 with a clean slate?
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
of course. I hate the Red Sox more than I hate the Mets division rivals because I live in this area, but just trying to see how Arc's hate will manifest
are you going to embrace Yankees history or just start from June 20 with a clean slate?
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
A good question!
And really, a clean slate. I can't act like I was a huge Derek Jeter fan if I wasn't rooting for his team when he was playing. I can, however, appreciate Jeter the way I always have (even as a Mets fan) and what he did both on the field and off (especially all of the gorgeous women he bagged).
The Red Sox hatred will come over time - but it won't be hard because I've hated the Celtics and Bruins for so long and it's mostly the same fans. Ironically, I never really hated the Patriots. I kind of liked the Bledsoe/Curtis Martin teams in the 90's (I didn't root for them, I just didn't hate them - I did pull for them in the SB against GB)
Because of all the young kids the Yankees have coming up now, I feel like I can embrace those guys since they have no long-term history there or anywhere else. I don't have to act like I've been a big Miguel Andujar fan my entire life because this is his rookie season. Same with Torres. And guys like Judge and Severino have only been up a short couple years now, so it's sort of the same thing there.
I have always respected the Yankees as a franchise and looked at them as the model baseball franchise. But I look at their history the same way I would have looked at the Mets' history before I was actually a fan of theirs. I was only 2 years old in 1986. I didn't watch any of those games, I don't remember any of those games. I know those games from watching reruns and highlights years and years later.
I actually watched more of the Yankees than the Mets when I was younger - but it was the Mattingly years. I was watching guys like Sam Militelo, Jimmy Key, etc. Funny enough, if I had waited just a couple more years, I probably never would have been a Mets fan to begin with. But I obviously was and don't, nor will I ever deny that part of my existence. Somewhere in the early 90's I decided I liked the Mets too and eventually just became a full-fledged Mets fan. (D'oh!)
As for the way I view Mets fans - I assuredly will not be a douchebag or act suddenly superior. I'm not on the teams, I don't play. I'm not any better than anyone else because of the team I root for. I always thought that was dumb.
But in short, I'll never be that guy flashing all the rings at games or acting like I've been a fan since 1920.
At the same time, I think you can embrace and appreciate the history. Even all of the greats who played well before my time. That really doesn't change. I obviously wasn't alive to watch Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Mantle, etc. But as a baseball fan, of course I've always marveled at what they did when they played - even if I couldn't watch it myself.
With the young talent the Braves and Yankees have accumulated I think we will eventually see another Braves Yankees World series in the near future. Hopefully your hatred for Atlanta will continue due to the Braves coming out on top :)
I've lurked for a long time (Pete's Corner), occasionally post, but don't have time to invest in the research and back and forth required to be good a BBI poster. But Arc has hit chord. I've been a Mets fan going back probably to '77 '78 when Steinbrenner was just too much and Billy Martin was being fired every other day.
I thought about going back to my roots, I was born in Dayton and was a Big Red Machine fan, attending many games at Crosley Field when guys like Concepcion, Morgan, Perez, Rose were just getting started. Well the family moved to CT and those roots were left behind. I really can't be a Reds fan, mostly cuz they suck too (and I hate red), but I don't feel any connection.
I then loved the old Yankees team of Munson, Chambliss, Roy White, Stick, Nettles, but then George ruined that, so I went to the Mets.
Now, Much like Arc, I am done with the Mets, outside of deGrom, Conforto, Thor, Nimmo maybe, I don't really like any of the Mets, and hate the front office and especially the owners.
Although I absolutely understand and agree with the enthusiasm the Yankee fans show for these young, homegrown players, having fun playing a kids game, I can't root for them...and Boston is out of the question, I barely like going to Boston let alone root for them (love the City, hate the people).
So I will not watch them on TV anymore or go to the stadium, which bums me out, as my wife and I did this often and watched most nights.
I will patiently wait for the Rangers and Knicks to disappoint me again too...But not the GMen, I'm optimistic with them.
PS. Rosario sucks too, a top prospect...BS, he is sooo underperforming...just another reason not to watch.
With the young talent the Braves and Yankees have accumulated I think we will eventually see another Braves Yankees World series in the near future. Hopefully your hatred for Atlanta will continue due to the Braves coming out on top :)
I could see it! Won't be hard for me to remember my long-term dislike of the Bravos :)
I'm a little torn on the Nationals because I still can't stand them and would absolutely love to see another DS exit for them, BUT... I would also love to see the Yanks crush them in a World Series. Which would bring their fans just as much anguish.
With the Nationals acquisition of Herrera they will likely go on a run now that they are finally healthy. They already had the #1 ranked bullpen in the NL I believe and now they will only get better. They will also add more pieces by the deadline if they need to as they do have some young prospects to trade. Z and I were wrong about the Nationals bullpen as we both said that they were overrated going into the season and I thought that could be the reason they struggle this year. I would love nothing more than to see them miss the playoffs but I think they will win the NL East and they could make the WS If Sherzer, Strasburg, and Gio stay healthy.
It's been fun reading your comments on Mets threads over the years. Never been active on Mets threads but always been a lurker and read ever Mets thread going back to when I first joined BBI in 2000 during the subway series.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
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Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
I used that line on my friend - he caught me in a Yankees hat last weekend and was like "what the fuck is this?!"
He's probably my best bud, and I've been close with his family since we were kids. He's a Mets fan, but his father is a Yankees fan - and he was like "please do not let my father see this or find out about it. He'll start treating you like his son instead of me. Haha.
With the Nationals acquisition of Herrera they will likely go on a run now that they are finally healthy. They already had the #1 ranked bullpen in the NL I believe and now they will only get better. They will also add more pieces by the deadline if they need to as they do have some young prospects to trade. Z and I were wrong about the Nationals bullpen as we both said that they were overrated going into the season and I thought that could be the reason they struggle this year. I would love nothing more than to see them miss the playoffs but I think they will win the NL East and they could make the WS If Sherzer, Strasburg, and Gio stay healthy.
Yup - Kelvin was a big get for them. He's been fantastic this year. That's why I keep saying even if Betances has big trade value right now, NYY shouldn't (and won't) deal him because of how important the BP's start to become down the stretch and into October. It's the same reason why going into this season, I was annoyed that Swarzak was the only guy the Mets really added to their pen. I have always disliked Ramos, so that didn't move the needle for me at all.
WSH has pretty much everything they need now. But it'll also depend on whether or not Strasburg can stay healthy. The kid who is pitching in his place right now (Fedde) is one of (if not their best) pitching prospects I believe, but he doesn't look totally ready yet.
Scherzer is just an animal though. Hard to believe there's anyone in the NL better than deGrom right now - but he is.
It's been fun reading your comments on Mets threads over the years. Never been active on Mets threads but always been a lurker and read ever Mets thread going back to when I first joined BBI in 2000 during the subway series.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
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Thank You Mets!!!
NYG27 : 6/14/2018 4:05 pm : link : reply
Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
Thank you!
And I sure as hell don't blame you.
I think most Mets fans look at the Yanks differently than I always have, so it was easier for me to do this. But I absolutely understand why most who don't want to watch the Mets anymore won't root for the Yanks either.
It's just what I wanted personally. But everyone can, and should do what's in their own best interest. No team is worth getting so frustrated over. So, whether the solution is to root for someone else or just stop watching altogether, there's really nothing wrong with that in my book. Sports are personal to everyone and we all have our own way of being fans. I can only control my own fandom. It's not my place to try and control anyone else's.
It's an interesting topic for sure, which is probably why many people are commenting on it.
It's not every day that a guy who was lauding one franchise in one city as recently as a month and a half ago (like you were when the Mets were 11-1) to all of a sudden drop that franchise cold turkey and announce (in as weird a way as you did) that you are all of a sudden ALL IN on the better franchise in that very same city that also just happens to be in 1st place with young talent everywhere.
Before you say anything about anyone trying to "govern" you or whatever, that's not so. Enjoy the Yankees. Just saying it's not every day you hear something like this.
Sort of reminds me of Billy Zane's character in the Titanic hopping in that lifeboat with the women and children.
Hopefully you stick with us on NYG and don't become an Eagles fan due to their recent success. Who knows, you may be tempted before too long!
I think you missed the point of why he was fed up with the Mets. He won't abandon the Giants if/when they begin to struggle and the reason is simple. The ownership group is made up of good people who are dedicated to winning. The Mara's and Tisch's care more about winning than making money. The Giants are always willing to spend to the cap to put the best team on the field.
Besides, anyone with a gripe about the Wilpons should be more pissed at Selig/Manfred than the Wilpons themselves. MLB has kept them in charge and forced Alderson on them to count beans.
LOL, I wouldn't root for an out of state team ever. I live in New York, I have lived in New York my entire life. Especially not a fucking Philly team. No chance in hell. Thinking about rooting for the Eagles makes my skin crawl.
I think it'd be different if I was suddenly a Nationals fan or something - that wouldn't make any sense. No family ties, I don't live in DC, direct rival of the Mets, etc.
I've really just never hated the Yankees at all. And I think most people here can probably vouch for that - I've never been that guy when the teams play that was so "FUCK THE YANKEES!!!" or any of that. If anything, I've always just said I had wished the Mets were run more like they are.
At some point, I had to ask myself why I keep hoping for the Mets to be like the Yankees instead of just rooting for the Yankees. They're right in my backyard like the Mets are. They're a team from my home state, the state I live in now, and a team most of my family roots for.
Sure, it's unconventional, it's weird - it's something I'm sure no one here ever expected me to do. But sometimes I like to break the rules.
Trust me when I say I gave this a lot of thought. I did not decide this on a whim one night and act on impulse.
Like I've said - I can understand all sides of the responses I've gotten here. Some of you guys understand it and don't blame me, others can't figure out how I could do this, etc. And that's all good! It's not something you come across every day.
It's the only time I've ever done this in my life and the only time I ever will.
Even if the Giants never win another Super Bowl for the rest of my life, the two we got with Eli are two of my absolute best memories just just as a sports fan, but as a human being. I will never forget that for as long as I live and the Giants will always be truly special to me for that reason. I fucking hate when we suck, but no matter how bad things got last year, there was never a single second where I considered not rooting for the Giants anymore. And really, there never will be. I'm as confident in that as anything.
Of the 4 sports I watch and follow, the Giants are, and have always been at the top for me. I have been living and dying with that team for literally as long as I have a memory.
The Rangers are kind of the same thing. I think my Mets fandom was always on a sort of shaky foundation even though I was as invested in them as anyone over the years. Enough of these hits and frustrations eventually just knocked it all down. I think I had one foot out the door going into this season because I was so annoyed with how Alderson handled it.
Then, the 11-1 start happened and you're right - I was fucking elated. And I thought "hey, maybe I was wrong about this whole thing..." but when push came to shove, I wasn't. And I quickly realized this team was exactly what I thought they were (doing my best Dennis Green voice right now) and after I sat through 5 hours and 15 or 16 innings (whatever it was) of the Mets wasting another deGrom gem and striking out like 32 times against the Cubs, I finally just lost it and the whole thing came crashing down for me. That's when I decided I was done.
It will be an interesting journey for sure. Something I never thought I'd do. But here I am. And I truly am at peace with it. I don't regret it, I don't have remorse or think maybe I jumped the gun. I really don't. And I know that's SO easy to say when the Yankees are playing like this and the Mets are playing, well.... like this,
But I really like all the young kids there, and I feel that New York pride and know at the end of the day, I made the right decision for me.
And a Mets fan. Been reading the Mets threads for years, get some great information from you guys. Congrats Arc, fuck this franchise with the Coupons and Sandy in charge. Every now and then they’ll strike luck, and have a good year. However they’ll never be a constant contender with this current leadership. I can’t switch teams, but I just stop watching.
Any chance we can start a thread like this every game day? Â
lost 8 in a row at home or something similarly awful like that until the Mets came into town.
If you watch the major league team this year, and read Dan's minor league threads, how can you support this front office? Fan outrage (e.g., billboards) IMO played at least a small part in putting pressure to get rid of Reese and Garth Snow.
I'd happily contribute money to put up a huge anti-Alderson billboard near Citi Field. My worry is that the Wilpons would just hire another retread or crony rather than invest in a younger/savvier progressive front office.
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
It'll take a little time before I feel exactly the same way I'm sure but it's happening faster than I thought it would.
They're still not used to me over there.. it's a very different landscape. But they'll grow to love and accept me like you guys did. :P
Football has been my only reprieve for a long time between the Giants and the Tide.
The Rangers haven't hoisted Lord Stanley's Cup since I was 9, the Knicks have never won in my lifetime and, well.. the baseball thing. Hopefully that changes this year. :)
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
It'll take a little time before I feel exactly the same way I'm sure but it's happening faster than I thought it would.
They're still not used to me over there.. it's a very different landscape. But they'll grow to love and accept me like you guys did. :P
Sports and fandom can be weird.
There's not supposed to be any Yankees fans on Mets threads.
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Baseball is entertainment, and we are consumers. The Mets are basically running a scam where the Coupons are using the team to pay down their personal debt at the expense of their customers. Fuck them. In any other business, if the company you are investing resources in is actively looking to fuck you over, you'd jump ship, too. The Mets are breaking me as well, and while I can't just stop being a Mets fan and become a fan of another team, my passion and rooting interest in the team is definitely decreasing despite my love for baseball still being at an all time high.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
No blame here either. Like you, Im 39 and has been following since 1990. But I will be switching for the sake of my young children.
No title since the early 70's.
No real stretch of sustained winning other than the mid to late 90s.
They've botched every single major decision they've had to make in the last 20 years.
The owner literally removes people and fans he doesnt like from the arena and blacklists them, including one of the franchise's few beloved figures.
Why should Dolan get any credit for "spending money" when it's always on the wrong people?
Apparently you can get lucky with just 1 or 2 players in the NBA and win a lot, even though the Knicks havent sniffed an ounce of success in years.
You continue to miss the point as you often do.
Appreciate it, bud. We haven't always agreed on everything, but I've sure as hell respected your unbridled optimism and way of seeing things through when they're darkest. You're as loyal as they come.
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
Arc is a decent human being.
All decent human beings despise the Sawx.
Thus, arc will despise the Sawx.
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I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox?
Arc is a decent human being.
All decent human beings despise the Sawx.
Thus, arc will despise the Sawx.
of course. I hate the Red Sox more than I hate the Mets division rivals because I live in this area, but just trying to see how Arc's hate will manifest
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
A good question!
And really, a clean slate. I can't act like I was a huge Derek Jeter fan if I wasn't rooting for his team when he was playing. I can, however, appreciate Jeter the way I always have (even as a Mets fan) and what he did both on the field and off (especially all of the gorgeous women he bagged).
The Red Sox hatred will come over time - but it won't be hard because I've hated the Celtics and Bruins for so long and it's mostly the same fans. Ironically, I never really hated the Patriots. I kind of liked the Bledsoe/Curtis Martin teams in the 90's (I didn't root for them, I just didn't hate them - I did pull for them in the SB against GB)
Because of all the young kids the Yankees have coming up now, I feel like I can embrace those guys since they have no long-term history there or anywhere else. I don't have to act like I've been a big Miguel Andujar fan my entire life because this is his rookie season. Same with Torres. And guys like Judge and Severino have only been up a short couple years now, so it's sort of the same thing there.
I have always respected the Yankees as a franchise and looked at them as the model baseball franchise. But I look at their history the same way I would have looked at the Mets' history before I was actually a fan of theirs. I was only 2 years old in 1986. I didn't watch any of those games, I don't remember any of those games. I know those games from watching reruns and highlights years and years later.
I actually watched more of the Yankees than the Mets when I was younger - but it was the Mattingly years. I was watching guys like Sam Militelo, Jimmy Key, etc. Funny enough, if I had waited just a couple more years, I probably never would have been a Mets fan to begin with. But I obviously was and don't, nor will I ever deny that part of my existence. Somewhere in the early 90's I decided I liked the Mets too and eventually just became a full-fledged Mets fan. (D'oh!)
As for the way I view Mets fans - I assuredly will not be a douchebag or act suddenly superior. I'm not on the teams, I don't play. I'm not any better than anyone else because of the team I root for. I always thought that was dumb.
But in short, I'll never be that guy flashing all the rings at games or acting like I've been a fan since 1920.
At the same time, I think you can embrace and appreciate the history. Even all of the greats who played well before my time. That really doesn't change. I obviously wasn't alive to watch Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Mantle, etc. But as a baseball fan, of course I've always marveled at what they did when they played - even if I couldn't watch it myself.
I'm going to the game next Friday. So, I think you can expect my hatred to ramp up VERY quickly from there.
I thought about going back to my roots, I was born in Dayton and was a Big Red Machine fan, attending many games at Crosley Field when guys like Concepcion, Morgan, Perez, Rose were just getting started. Well the family moved to CT and those roots were left behind. I really can't be a Reds fan, mostly cuz they suck too (and I hate red), but I don't feel any connection.
I then loved the old Yankees team of Munson, Chambliss, Roy White, Stick, Nettles, but then George ruined that, so I went to the Mets.
Now, Much like Arc, I am done with the Mets, outside of deGrom, Conforto, Thor, Nimmo maybe, I don't really like any of the Mets, and hate the front office and especially the owners.
Although I absolutely understand and agree with the enthusiasm the Yankee fans show for these young, homegrown players, having fun playing a kids game, I can't root for them...and Boston is out of the question, I barely like going to Boston let alone root for them (love the City, hate the people).
So I will not watch them on TV anymore or go to the stadium, which bums me out, as my wife and I did this often and watched most nights.
I will patiently wait for the Rangers and Knicks to disappoint me again too...But not the GMen, I'm optimistic with them.
PS. Rosario sucks too, a top prospect...BS, he is sooo underperforming...just another reason not to watch.
I could see it! Won't be hard for me to remember my long-term dislike of the Bravos :)
I'm a little torn on the Nationals because I still can't stand them and would absolutely love to see another DS exit for them, BUT... I would also love to see the Yanks crush them in a World Series. Which would bring their fans just as much anguish.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
Thank You Mets!!!
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Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
I used that line on my friend - he caught me in a Yankees hat last weekend and was like "what the fuck is this?!"
He's probably my best bud, and I've been close with his family since we were kids. He's a Mets fan, but his father is a Yankees fan - and he was like "please do not let my father see this or find out about it. He'll start treating you like his son instead of me. Haha.
Yup - Kelvin was a big get for them. He's been fantastic this year. That's why I keep saying even if Betances has big trade value right now, NYY shouldn't (and won't) deal him because of how important the BP's start to become down the stretch and into October. It's the same reason why going into this season, I was annoyed that Swarzak was the only guy the Mets really added to their pen. I have always disliked Ramos, so that didn't move the needle for me at all.
WSH has pretty much everything they need now. But it'll also depend on whether or not Strasburg can stay healthy. The kid who is pitching in his place right now (Fedde) is one of (if not their best) pitching prospects I believe, but he doesn't look totally ready yet.
Scherzer is just an animal though. Hard to believe there's anyone in the NL better than deGrom right now - but he is.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
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Thank You Mets!!!
NYG27 : 6/14/2018 4:05 pm : link : reply
Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
Thank you!
And I sure as hell don't blame you.
I think most Mets fans look at the Yanks differently than I always have, so it was easier for me to do this. But I absolutely understand why most who don't want to watch the Mets anymore won't root for the Yanks either.
It's just what I wanted personally. But everyone can, and should do what's in their own best interest. No team is worth getting so frustrated over. So, whether the solution is to root for someone else or just stop watching altogether, there's really nothing wrong with that in my book. Sports are personal to everyone and we all have our own way of being fans. I can only control my own fandom. It's not my place to try and control anyone else's.
It's not every day that a guy who was lauding one franchise in one city as recently as a month and a half ago (like you were when the Mets were 11-1) to all of a sudden drop that franchise cold turkey and announce (in as weird a way as you did) that you are all of a sudden ALL IN on the better franchise in that very same city that also just happens to be in 1st place with young talent everywhere.
Before you say anything about anyone trying to "govern" you or whatever, that's not so. Enjoy the Yankees. Just saying it's not every day you hear something like this.
Sort of reminds me of Billy Zane's character in the Titanic hopping in that lifeboat with the women and children.
Hopefully you stick with us on NYG and don't become an Eagles fan due to their recent success. Who knows, you may be tempted before too long!
Besides, anyone with a gripe about the Wilpons should be more pissed at Selig/Manfred than the Wilpons themselves. MLB has kept them in charge and forced Alderson on them to count beans.
Blame MLB.
I think it'd be different if I was suddenly a Nationals fan or something - that wouldn't make any sense. No family ties, I don't live in DC, direct rival of the Mets, etc.
I've really just never hated the Yankees at all. And I think most people here can probably vouch for that - I've never been that guy when the teams play that was so "FUCK THE YANKEES!!!" or any of that. If anything, I've always just said I had wished the Mets were run more like they are.
At some point, I had to ask myself why I keep hoping for the Mets to be like the Yankees instead of just rooting for the Yankees. They're right in my backyard like the Mets are. They're a team from my home state, the state I live in now, and a team most of my family roots for.
Sure, it's unconventional, it's weird - it's something I'm sure no one here ever expected me to do. But sometimes I like to break the rules.
Trust me when I say I gave this a lot of thought. I did not decide this on a whim one night and act on impulse.
Like I've said - I can understand all sides of the responses I've gotten here. Some of you guys understand it and don't blame me, others can't figure out how I could do this, etc. And that's all good! It's not something you come across every day.
It's the only time I've ever done this in my life and the only time I ever will.
Even if the Giants never win another Super Bowl for the rest of my life, the two we got with Eli are two of my absolute best memories just just as a sports fan, but as a human being. I will never forget that for as long as I live and the Giants will always be truly special to me for that reason. I fucking hate when we suck, but no matter how bad things got last year, there was never a single second where I considered not rooting for the Giants anymore. And really, there never will be. I'm as confident in that as anything.
Of the 4 sports I watch and follow, the Giants are, and have always been at the top for me. I have been living and dying with that team for literally as long as I have a memory.
The Rangers are kind of the same thing. I think my Mets fandom was always on a sort of shaky foundation even though I was as invested in them as anyone over the years. Enough of these hits and frustrations eventually just knocked it all down. I think I had one foot out the door going into this season because I was so annoyed with how Alderson handled it.
Then, the 11-1 start happened and you're right - I was fucking elated. And I thought "hey, maybe I was wrong about this whole thing..." but when push came to shove, I wasn't. And I quickly realized this team was exactly what I thought they were (doing my best Dennis Green voice right now) and after I sat through 5 hours and 15 or 16 innings (whatever it was) of the Mets wasting another deGrom gem and striking out like 32 times against the Cubs, I finally just lost it and the whole thing came crashing down for me. That's when I decided I was done.
It will be an interesting journey for sure. Something I never thought I'd do. But here I am. And I truly am at peace with it. I don't regret it, I don't have remorse or think maybe I jumped the gun. I really don't. And I know that's SO easy to say when the Yankees are playing like this and the Mets are playing, well.... like this,
But I really like all the young kids there, and I feel that New York pride and know at the end of the day, I made the right decision for me.
This definitely made me chuckle.
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
If you watch the major league team this year, and read Dan's minor league threads, how can you support this front office? Fan outrage (e.g., billboards) IMO played at least a small part in putting pressure to get rid of Reese and Garth Snow.
I'd happily contribute money to put up a huge anti-Alderson billboard near Citi Field. My worry is that the Wilpons would just hire another retread or crony rather than invest in a younger/savvier progressive front office.
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
It'll take a little time before I feel exactly the same way I'm sure but it's happening faster than I thought it would.
They're still not used to me over there.. it's a very different landscape. But they'll grow to love and accept me like you guys did. :P
Sports and fandom can be weird.
Nonsense! We're always open to new recruits!
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They're still not used to me over there.. it's a very different landscape.
Nonsense! We're always open to new recruits!
Hahaha.
Well, now we're together year-round, bud. Giants/Rangers/Yanks/Knicks (LOL)
The Rangers haven't hoisted Lord Stanley's Cup since I was 9, the Knicks have never won in my lifetime and, well.. the baseball thing. Hopefully that changes this year. :)
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Haha. Don't worry, things were so bad with me that they can't possibly be worse without me.
Have to say, there's something a bit unsettling about reading the yankees thread and seeing you in 110%. Can't say I'm going to join you, but must be nice to be able to just flick a switch like that.
Meanwhile, for some stupid reason I'm staying up late watching these losers try (and awfully failing) to get to 6 games below .500. WTF
It'll take a little time before I feel exactly the same way I'm sure but it's happening faster than I thought it would.
They're still not used to me over there.. it's a very different landscape. But they'll grow to love and accept me like you guys did. :P
Sports and fandom can be weird.
There's not supposed to be any Yankees fans on Mets threads.
I forgot about that rule. :(
I'll see myself out.
I forgot about that rule. :(
I'll see myself out.
LOL