Baseball is entertainment, and we are consumers. The Mets are basically running a scam where the Coupons are using the team to pay down their personal debt at the expense of their customers. Fuck them. In any other business, if the company you are investing resources in is actively looking to fuck you over, you'd jump ship, too. The Mets are breaking me as well, and while I can't just stop being a Mets fan and become a fan of another team, my passion and rooting interest in the team is definitely decreasing despite my love for baseball still being at an all time high.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
The owners do not care for the team's well being. Nyquist makes fair points. The owners are running a scam. The Mets are just their way of making a profit. I wish I had the heart to be indifferent. I love baseball but rooting for this team does make it less enjoyable only because there is no hope. Since the Mets won in 86, the Marlins were about 8 years away from their inaugural season, won a World Series, tore the team down and won another world series!
I asked this a few weeks earlier, what future sacrifice did someone make in Game 6 of 1986 that started this cursed franchise?
Sandy Alderson and the Wilpons have really done a number on Mets baseball. It's hard for me to understand how Alderson has a job.
As I get older I dont really hate other teams as much. 10 years ago, the Eagles winning a super bowl would've really driven me nuts, but it doesn't really bother me that much. I just want the Giants come back strong next year.
While that's resulted in my being "softer" on the Yankees than 10 years ago, I'm not sure I could ever switch sides. I get where Arc is coming from though, we all have limited time in life and spending a lot of it watching sports is a decision and if you aren't getting entertainment out of it you should reevaluate.
I do like what they're doing over there, though. Certainly looks like a successful rebuild. Albies is a hell of a player.
I really do just love and appreciate the sport, so I'm sure I'll always keep tabs on the Mets somewhat and be happy for you guys when they are back on track.
So many of my friends are Mets fans but very few of them are really on that same level as I am/was and a lot of you guys are - which is why I was always here getting my fill of baseball talk. Most of them don't know much about the minors or the younger players and don't really get that deep into it .
I guess it's easier keeping fandom on a more naive level where you kinda just go with that "get 'em next year!" mentality. Unfortunately, that's not for me.
I think a lot of it is also that there are so many young kids coming up for the Yankees now, so I feel like I can kind of grow into that and watch them blossom there. I wouldn't have been able to do this 10-15 years ago on those vet-heavy FA teams with guys like Clemens, Randy Johnson, Giambi, etc. That was the only time I really didn't like how the Yankees operating (even though they were well within their right to do so)
To me, there's nothing better than rooting for a team full of homegrown young kids. Severino, Torres, Andujar, Judge, Sanchez, Bird, German, Frazier, etc. are just all really exuberant kids who just look like they're having a great time and I enjoy it.
I had hoped that's where the Mets were going about 4-5 years ago... I thought the same thing would happen here, and I was totally fine riding it out and being patient until everyone arrived. But, as we know, it didn't go quite as planned.
And that happens. It's baseball. I think I just despise the Wilpons so much and other aspects of the team - it's definitely like investing in a service in many ways that you're just routinely disappointed in.
Either way, a lot of you guys are great fans and deserve better - and I really do hope things turn around sooner than later for your sakes.
It does. But the Knicks had an extended run of being good. 1991-97 51, 60, 57, 55, 47, 57 wins, 50 wins in 99, 48 in 2000. The Mets NEVER have extended runs of being a good team. EVER.
I'd say 1984-90 would qualify. 90+ wins 6 times in 7 seasons, two 100+ win seasons, one championship. True, only 2 postseasons but that was the nature of pre-wild card baseball. With a wild card, the Mets would have made the playoffs every year but 1989.
1984-1990 is 34 years ago. Different leadership, different everything. It's silly to suggest a team that was good 30+ years ago is going to maintain the same "trust". The Mets are pushing away an entire generation of fans. Sandy Alderson has been awful and the owners are awful too.
far from a Knicks apologist but they have an owner willing to spend unlimited money + play in a league where 2-3 top players make you a "good" team. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for the Mets. No real path to being good anytime soon. The Yankees and Cardinals aren't keeping on Sandy Alderson even WITH WS wins 33 games under .500 over the last 2 seasons. He's 70 years old, the farm system sucks and yet... according to Heyman the Wilpons are happy with the job Sandy is doing. Shows all you need to know.
I dislike the yankees too much to go there and i'd never care about another team as much as it's painful to be a Met fan, but with this ownership group withdrawing attachment is probably the only sane move. Whether that's just paying less attention to baseball in general (most likely) or adopting a random team idk.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
also I should add while I don't blame him, he'll be missed Â
I never criticized his pessimism because with this franchise it is almost always warranted. I was slightly more optimistic about this season because I thought Cespedes would stay healthy and Harvey would bounce back, but obviously that was misguided optimism.
I dislike the yankees too much to go there and i'd never care about another team as much as it's painful to be a Met fan, but with this ownership group withdrawing attachment is probably the only sane move. Whether that's just paying less attention to baseball in general (most likely) or adopting a random team idk.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
Again.. on what planet should the last 2 seasons = Sandy keeps his job? He had 4 losing seasons, 2 winning and now 2 more losing with a terrible farm system (bottom 10 in baseball). Where is the alent influx? JDG, Nimmo, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler have ALL been in the system 4 (or more) years. His ability to identify players to spend his money on = a major red flag in itself.
far from a Knicks apologist but they have an owner willing to spend unlimited money + play in a league where 2-3 top players make you a "good" team. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for the Mets. No real path to being good anytime soon. The Yankees and Cardinals aren't keeping on Sandy Alderson even WITH WS wins 33 games under .500 over the last 2 seasons. He's 70 years old, the farm system sucks and yet... according to Heyman the Wilpons are happy with the job Sandy is doing. Shows all you need to know.
Yup.
I think the Knicks are actively trying to win and be relevant again - but obviously they've been mismanaged. But the NBA is just so much different. In baseball, you don't have to wait for a star player from somewhere else to come to you.
If you invest in scouting international talent, make smart signings, and spend money, you can build a good team. Of course, this is way easier said than done - but one of the biggest tell's was a couple years ago when the owners basically said "you show up, and then we'll spend money"
Literally the exact opposite of the correct approach.
You want fans to show up? Spend money - and not on players who are a fucking net NEGATIVE to the team. Putting a good product on the field will put fans in the seats. It's simple. And yet, the Wilpons somehow don't understand that.
I used to be fine with an underperforming MLB team because I was so invested in the reports from the minors and was having just as much fun tracking those guys and how they were progressing.
Now the farm seems barren outside of a few interesting prospects. The team here sucks. Alderson is bewilderingly allowed to basically operate on his terms and decide when he wants to step aside, and the Wilpons aren't going anywhere.
It sucks. This team really has a great fan base but they are alienating those fans now more than ever.
maybe I'm unique for feeling this way but it's all about rings. Especially in baseball.
I don't mean this to be shit-stirring, but 8 and 9 year old kids today in little league don't think of the Yankees as the sun of the baseball world. Even if the future (and present) are exciting.
the Giants, Cubs, Indians, Royals and Astros all have more recent success. Even the Mets (appearing in, but obviously losing a WS more recently than either the Yankees or Red Sox or Cardinals).
IMO there is no allure to kids or new fans simply for "meaningful September baseball". It's win or you're a loser.
So yeah the Mets franchise has just a few bright spots, but I wouldn't trade a few bright spots for sustained winning but no bright spots or more distant bright spots.
and if those bright spots meant you go through dark periods so be it. I'd prefer it not, I'd prefer to win every year, but my goal is not a perennial 90 win team. My goal as a fan is World Series wins.
Milton Ramos and Eudor Garcia (traded for cash, and retired), Josh Prevost (26 and still toiling in A+), Max Wotell (traded as a throw-in, sucks), Dez Lindsay (looks like a bust so far), David Thompson (MAYBE a role player), Blake Tiberi (didn't make the top...51 prospects in the SAL league yesterday... yes 51), Michael Paez (.660 OPS in A+ at 23), Colby Woodmansee... retired, Quinn Brodey (sucking in.. the SAL at 23). They have done a piss poor job in every facet of the game. Where are the IFA academy finds they used to find? Familia, Mejia, Robles ?
I have long been a Sandy supporter but he is losing me. Â
The Mets have been good for approximately five months of his entire seven year tenure, the last three months of 2015 and the last two months of 2016. The team is progressively getting worse since the 2015 peak, and we are now looking at two consecutive losing seasons with a bad farm system and no future in sight.
There are reports about how he isn't given a set offseason budget to work with and that every move must be either approved or disapproved by ownership, so that he doesn't really have the ability to act on a structured offseason plan. Even if that is true, there is no excuse for why the farm system is such shit. And a big part of the GM's job is to sell the owners on why your plan makes sense. If you can't convince your moronic owners to stop shooting the franchise in the foot with their meddling, maybe it's time for a new voice.
I dislike the yankees too much to go there and i'd never care about another team as much as it's painful to be a Met fan, but with this ownership group withdrawing attachment is probably the only sane move. Whether that's just paying less attention to baseball in general (most likely) or adopting a random team idk.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
Again.. on what planet should the last 2 seasons = Sandy keeps his job? He had 4 losing seasons, 2 winning and now 2 more losing with a terrible farm system (bottom 10 in baseball). Where is the alent influx? JDG, Nimmo, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler have ALL been in the system 4 (or more) years. His ability to identify players to spend his money on = a major red flag in itself.
And again I didn't say he should keep his job - in fact I literally suggested "competent management take over". "Halfway decent GM" isn't a glowing endorsement, nor a statement that he shouldn't be replaced.
The only supportive thing I'd say in his favor is that he may be the best we will ever get from the Wilpons so we should be careful what we wish for. It can get a lot worse and I know that because it has been a lot worse.
In the grand scheme of things, if you gave me a 15 year sample size and said I could have 12 terrible seasons, 2 "okay" seasons, and one World Series Championship during that span
OR
I could have 10 or more 90+ win seasons, a couple of WS appearances (both losses), and only 2-3 down years, I would absolutely take the former.
That said, it's a retrospective argument where you already have the result. So, of course anyone would probably take the one trophy and deal with the other crap.
I think the point of sustainable competitiveness and why it is so important is that you are constantly giving yourself a shot. If you keep getting into the postseason, odds are you're going to make a run one of those years.
If you're a team that only gets in there once every decade, then you're SOL if you don't win that year. And that's basically what we've seen with the Mets. They could, and arguably should have capitalized in 2006 or 2015 and won the WS in one of those years - which would have changed the entire narrative about this team. But they didn't. And now, it looks like they're quite a ways from ever getting back there. They're moving in the wrong direction.
RE: I have long been a Sandy supporter but he is losing me. Â
The Mets have been good for approximately five months of his entire seven year tenure, the last three months of 2015 and the last two months of 2016. The team is progressively getting worse since the 2015 peak, and we are now looking at two consecutive losing seasons with a bad farm system and no future in sight.
There are reports about how he isn't given a set offseason budget to work with and that every move must be either approved or disapproved by ownership, so that he doesn't really have the ability to act on a structured offseason plan. Even if that is true, there is no excuse for why the farm system is such shit. And a big part of the GM's job is to sell the owners on why your plan makes sense. If you can't convince your moronic owners to stop shooting the franchise in the foot with their meddling, maybe it's time for a new voice.
Sandy has also lost me as a full fledged supporter because he's showed no vision building on the roster since 2015. He hitched his wagon to having lights out starting pitching when starting pitchers are the post injury prone players in all of sports. He simply hasn't had a good plan and the resources he has been given in FA have been wasted.
In terms of the farm system, there are stats that back up the Mets org having spent in the bottom 1/3 of all baseball in spending, even in the new draft/IFA systems. In the old system they were even further behind. Their size of their scouting staff and analytics departments in all facets have been called into question by reporters. My point there is simply that it's unlikely any GM will be able to change the results dramatically without the resources necessary. And most good candidates won't even want to take a chance on a unstable situation like this one. That's why we are likely going to get Omar act 3.
in 2014 coming off a 79 win season, no one thought the Mets were serious World Series contenders in 2015?
Yet they were and really should have won.
When you have a team with Thor and deGrom in their primes, and a few bats that have the potential to be better than what they've shown it's not hard to envision a scenario where they turn things around quickly.
I agree with others, Sandy is where people lose confidence. Even with the 2015 success he doesn't instill confidence that he's the guy to re-right the ship.
Baseball is entertainment, and we are consumers. The Mets are basically running a scam where the Coupons are using the team to pay down their personal debt at the expense of their customers. Fuck them. In any other business, if the company you are investing resources in is actively looking to fuck you over, you'd jump ship, too. The Mets are breaking me as well, and while I can't just stop being a Mets fan and become a fan of another team, my passion and rooting interest in the team is definitely decreasing despite my love for baseball still being at an all time high.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
No blame here either. Like you, Im 39 and has been following since 1990. But I will be switching for the sake of my young children.
Any human being on who or what team they should root for but you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this team. Enjoy the Yankees run but I do hope if the Mets do turn things around eventually we see you back. No reason why you couldn’t root for 2 teams. I’ll miss seeing you in our threads.
Any human being on who or what team they should root for but you put a lot of blood sweat and tears into this team. Enjoy the Yankees run but I do hope if the Mets do turn things around eventually we see you back. No reason why you couldn’t root for 2 teams. I’ll miss seeing you in our threads.
Appreciate it, bud. We haven't always agreed on everything, but I've sure as hell respected your unbridled optimism and way of seeing things through when they're darkest. You're as loyal as they come.
are you going to embrace Yankees history or just start from June 20 with a clean slate?
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
of course. I hate the Red Sox more than I hate the Mets division rivals because I live in this area, but just trying to see how Arc's hate will manifest
are you going to embrace Yankees history or just start from June 20 with a clean slate?
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
A good question!
And really, a clean slate. I can't act like I was a huge Derek Jeter fan if I wasn't rooting for his team when he was playing. I can, however, appreciate Jeter the way I always have (even as a Mets fan) and what he did both on the field and off (especially all of the gorgeous women he bagged).
The Red Sox hatred will come over time - but it won't be hard because I've hated the Celtics and Bruins for so long and it's mostly the same fans. Ironically, I never really hated the Patriots. I kind of liked the Bledsoe/Curtis Martin teams in the 90's (I didn't root for them, I just didn't hate them - I did pull for them in the SB against GB)
Because of all the young kids the Yankees have coming up now, I feel like I can embrace those guys since they have no long-term history there or anywhere else. I don't have to act like I've been a big Miguel Andujar fan my entire life because this is his rookie season. Same with Torres. And guys like Judge and Severino have only been up a short couple years now, so it's sort of the same thing there.
I have always respected the Yankees as a franchise and looked at them as the model baseball franchise. But I look at their history the same way I would have looked at the Mets' history before I was actually a fan of theirs. I was only 2 years old in 1986. I didn't watch any of those games, I don't remember any of those games. I know those games from watching reruns and highlights years and years later.
I actually watched more of the Yankees than the Mets when I was younger - but it was the Mattingly years. I was watching guys like Sam Militelo, Jimmy Key, etc. Funny enough, if I had waited just a couple more years, I probably never would have been a Mets fan to begin with. But I obviously was and don't, nor will I ever deny that part of my existence. Somewhere in the early 90's I decided I liked the Mets too and eventually just became a full-fledged Mets fan. (D'oh!)
As for the way I view Mets fans - I assuredly will not be a douchebag or act suddenly superior. I'm not on the teams, I don't play. I'm not any better than anyone else because of the team I root for. I always thought that was dumb.
But in short, I'll never be that guy flashing all the rings at games or acting like I've been a fan since 1920.
At the same time, I think you can embrace and appreciate the history. Even all of the greats who played well before my time. That really doesn't change. I obviously wasn't alive to watch Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Mantle, etc. But as a baseball fan, of course I've always marveled at what they did when they played - even if I couldn't watch it myself.
With the young talent the Braves and Yankees have accumulated I think we will eventually see another Braves Yankees World series in the near future. Hopefully your hatred for Atlanta will continue due to the Braves coming out on top :)
I've lurked for a long time (Pete's Corner), occasionally post, but don't have time to invest in the research and back and forth required to be good a BBI poster. But Arc has hit chord. I've been a Mets fan going back probably to '77 '78 when Steinbrenner was just too much and Billy Martin was being fired every other day.
I thought about going back to my roots, I was born in Dayton and was a Big Red Machine fan, attending many games at Crosley Field when guys like Concepcion, Morgan, Perez, Rose were just getting started. Well the family moved to CT and those roots were left behind. I really can't be a Reds fan, mostly cuz they suck too (and I hate red), but I don't feel any connection.
I then loved the old Yankees team of Munson, Chambliss, Roy White, Stick, Nettles, but then George ruined that, so I went to the Mets.
Now, Much like Arc, I am done with the Mets, outside of deGrom, Conforto, Thor, Nimmo maybe, I don't really like any of the Mets, and hate the front office and especially the owners.
Although I absolutely understand and agree with the enthusiasm the Yankee fans show for these young, homegrown players, having fun playing a kids game, I can't root for them...and Boston is out of the question, I barely like going to Boston let alone root for them (love the City, hate the people).
So I will not watch them on TV anymore or go to the stadium, which bums me out, as my wife and I did this often and watched most nights.
I will patiently wait for the Rangers and Knicks to disappoint me again too...But not the GMen, I'm optimistic with them.
PS. Rosario sucks too, a top prospect...BS, he is sooo underperforming...just another reason not to watch.
With the young talent the Braves and Yankees have accumulated I think we will eventually see another Braves Yankees World series in the near future. Hopefully your hatred for Atlanta will continue due to the Braves coming out on top :)
I could see it! Won't be hard for me to remember my long-term dislike of the Bravos :)
I'm a little torn on the Nationals because I still can't stand them and would absolutely love to see another DS exit for them, BUT... I would also love to see the Yanks crush them in a World Series. Which would bring their fans just as much anguish.
With the Nationals acquisition of Herrera they will likely go on a run now that they are finally healthy. They already had the #1 ranked bullpen in the NL I believe and now they will only get better. They will also add more pieces by the deadline if they need to as they do have some young prospects to trade. Z and I were wrong about the Nationals bullpen as we both said that they were overrated going into the season and I thought that could be the reason they struggle this year. I would love nothing more than to see them miss the playoffs but I think they will win the NL East and they could make the WS If Sherzer, Strasburg, and Gio stay healthy.
It's been fun reading your comments on Mets threads over the years. Never been active on Mets threads but always been a lurker and read ever Mets thread going back to when I first joined BBI in 2000 during the subway series.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
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Thank You Mets!!!
NYG27 : 6/14/2018 4:05 pm : link : reply
Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
I used that line on my friend - he caught me in a Yankees hat last weekend and was like "what the fuck is this?!"
He's probably my best bud, and I've been close with his family since we were kids. He's a Mets fan, but his father is a Yankees fan - and he was like "please do not let my father see this or find out about it. He'll start treating you like his son instead of me. Haha.
With the Nationals acquisition of Herrera they will likely go on a run now that they are finally healthy. They already had the #1 ranked bullpen in the NL I believe and now they will only get better. They will also add more pieces by the deadline if they need to as they do have some young prospects to trade. Z and I were wrong about the Nationals bullpen as we both said that they were overrated going into the season and I thought that could be the reason they struggle this year. I would love nothing more than to see them miss the playoffs but I think they will win the NL East and they could make the WS If Sherzer, Strasburg, and Gio stay healthy.
Yup - Kelvin was a big get for them. He's been fantastic this year. That's why I keep saying even if Betances has big trade value right now, NYY shouldn't (and won't) deal him because of how important the BP's start to become down the stretch and into October. It's the same reason why going into this season, I was annoyed that Swarzak was the only guy the Mets really added to their pen. I have always disliked Ramos, so that didn't move the needle for me at all.
WSH has pretty much everything they need now. But it'll also depend on whether or not Strasburg can stay healthy. The kid who is pitching in his place right now (Fedde) is one of (if not their best) pitching prospects I believe, but he doesn't look totally ready yet.
Scherzer is just an animal though. Hard to believe there's anyone in the NL better than deGrom right now - but he is.
It's been fun reading your comments on Mets threads over the years. Never been active on Mets threads but always been a lurker and read ever Mets thread going back to when I first joined BBI in 2000 during the subway series.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
Quote:
Thank You Mets!!!
NYG27 : 6/14/2018 4:05 pm : link : reply
Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
Thank you!
And I sure as hell don't blame you.
I think most Mets fans look at the Yanks differently than I always have, so it was easier for me to do this. But I absolutely understand why most who don't want to watch the Mets anymore won't root for the Yanks either.
It's just what I wanted personally. But everyone can, and should do what's in their own best interest. No team is worth getting so frustrated over. So, whether the solution is to root for someone else or just stop watching altogether, there's really nothing wrong with that in my book. Sports are personal to everyone and we all have our own way of being fans. I can only control my own fandom. It's not my place to try and control anyone else's.
It's an interesting topic for sure, which is probably why many people are commenting on it.
It's not every day that a guy who was lauding one franchise in one city as recently as a month and a half ago (like you were when the Mets were 11-1) to all of a sudden drop that franchise cold turkey and announce (in as weird a way as you did) that you are all of a sudden ALL IN on the better franchise in that very same city that also just happens to be in 1st place with young talent everywhere.
Before you say anything about anyone trying to "govern" you or whatever, that's not so. Enjoy the Yankees. Just saying it's not every day you hear something like this.
Sort of reminds me of Billy Zane's character in the Titanic hopping in that lifeboat with the women and children.
Hopefully you stick with us on NYG and don't become an Eagles fan due to their recent success. Who knows, you may be tempted before too long!
I think you missed the point of why he was fed up with the Mets. He won't abandon the Giants if/when they begin to struggle and the reason is simple. The ownership group is made up of good people who are dedicated to winning. The Mara's and Tisch's care more about winning than making money. The Giants are always willing to spend to the cap to put the best team on the field.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
The owners do not care for the team's well being. Nyquist makes fair points. The owners are running a scam. The Mets are just their way of making a profit. I wish I had the heart to be indifferent. I love baseball but rooting for this team does make it less enjoyable only because there is no hope. Since the Mets won in 86, the Marlins were about 8 years away from their inaugural season, won a World Series, tore the team down and won another world series!
I asked this a few weeks earlier, what future sacrifice did someone make in Game 6 of 1986 that started this cursed franchise?
As I get older I dont really hate other teams as much. 10 years ago, the Eagles winning a super bowl would've really driven me nuts, but it doesn't really bother me that much. I just want the Giants come back strong next year.
While that's resulted in my being "softer" on the Yankees than 10 years ago, I'm not sure I could ever switch sides. I get where Arc is coming from though, we all have limited time in life and spending a lot of it watching sports is a decision and if you aren't getting entertainment out of it you should reevaluate.
LOL, all good man. I get it. You gotta do you, man.
I like most of those Yankee guys anyway...even if I'm persona non grata in those threads.
Okay, now that's going too far...
Hahah, now that would be a step too far.
I do like what they're doing over there, though. Certainly looks like a successful rebuild. Albies is a hell of a player.
I really do just love and appreciate the sport, so I'm sure I'll always keep tabs on the Mets somewhat and be happy for you guys when they are back on track.
So many of my friends are Mets fans but very few of them are really on that same level as I am/was and a lot of you guys are - which is why I was always here getting my fill of baseball talk. Most of them don't know much about the minors or the younger players and don't really get that deep into it .
I guess it's easier keeping fandom on a more naive level where you kinda just go with that "get 'em next year!" mentality. Unfortunately, that's not for me.
I think a lot of it is also that there are so many young kids coming up for the Yankees now, so I feel like I can kind of grow into that and watch them blossom there. I wouldn't have been able to do this 10-15 years ago on those vet-heavy FA teams with guys like Clemens, Randy Johnson, Giambi, etc. That was the only time I really didn't like how the Yankees operating (even though they were well within their right to do so)
To me, there's nothing better than rooting for a team full of homegrown young kids. Severino, Torres, Andujar, Judge, Sanchez, Bird, German, Frazier, etc. are just all really exuberant kids who just look like they're having a great time and I enjoy it.
I had hoped that's where the Mets were going about 4-5 years ago... I thought the same thing would happen here, and I was totally fine riding it out and being patient until everyone arrived. But, as we know, it didn't go quite as planned.
And that happens. It's baseball. I think I just despise the Wilpons so much and other aspects of the team - it's definitely like investing in a service in many ways that you're just routinely disappointed in.
Either way, a lot of you guys are great fans and deserve better - and I really do hope things turn around sooner than later for your sakes.
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It does. But the Knicks had an extended run of being good. 1991-97 51, 60, 57, 55, 47, 57 wins, 50 wins in 99, 48 in 2000. The Mets NEVER have extended runs of being a good team. EVER.
I'd say 1984-90 would qualify. 90+ wins 6 times in 7 seasons, two 100+ win seasons, one championship. True, only 2 postseasons but that was the nature of pre-wild card baseball. With a wild card, the Mets would have made the playoffs every year but 1989.
1984-1990 is 34 years ago. Different leadership, different everything. It's silly to suggest a team that was good 30+ years ago is going to maintain the same "trust". The Mets are pushing away an entire generation of fans. Sandy Alderson has been awful and the owners are awful too.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
Again.. on what planet should the last 2 seasons = Sandy keeps his job? He had 4 losing seasons, 2 winning and now 2 more losing with a terrible farm system (bottom 10 in baseball). Where is the alent influx? JDG, Nimmo, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler have ALL been in the system 4 (or more) years. His ability to identify players to spend his money on = a major red flag in itself.
Yup.
I think the Knicks are actively trying to win and be relevant again - but obviously they've been mismanaged. But the NBA is just so much different. In baseball, you don't have to wait for a star player from somewhere else to come to you.
If you invest in scouting international talent, make smart signings, and spend money, you can build a good team. Of course, this is way easier said than done - but one of the biggest tell's was a couple years ago when the owners basically said "you show up, and then we'll spend money"
Literally the exact opposite of the correct approach.
You want fans to show up? Spend money - and not on players who are a fucking net NEGATIVE to the team. Putting a good product on the field will put fans in the seats. It's simple. And yet, the Wilpons somehow don't understand that.
I used to be fine with an underperforming MLB team because I was so invested in the reports from the minors and was having just as much fun tracking those guys and how they were progressing.
Now the farm seems barren outside of a few interesting prospects. The team here sucks. Alderson is bewilderingly allowed to basically operate on his terms and decide when he wants to step aside, and the Wilpons aren't going anywhere.
It sucks. This team really has a great fan base but they are alienating those fans now more than ever.
maybe I'm unique for feeling this way but it's all about rings. Especially in baseball.
I don't mean this to be shit-stirring, but 8 and 9 year old kids today in little league don't think of the Yankees as the sun of the baseball world. Even if the future (and present) are exciting.
the Giants, Cubs, Indians, Royals and Astros all have more recent success. Even the Mets (appearing in, but obviously losing a WS more recently than either the Yankees or Red Sox or Cardinals).
IMO there is no allure to kids or new fans simply for "meaningful September baseball". It's win or you're a loser.
So yeah the Mets franchise has just a few bright spots, but I wouldn't trade a few bright spots for sustained winning but no bright spots or more distant bright spots.
and if those bright spots meant you go through dark periods so be it. I'd prefer it not, I'd prefer to win every year, but my goal is not a perennial 90 win team. My goal as a fan is World Series wins.
Milton Ramos and Eudor Garcia (traded for cash, and retired), Josh Prevost (26 and still toiling in A+), Max Wotell (traded as a throw-in, sucks), Dez Lindsay (looks like a bust so far), David Thompson (MAYBE a role player), Blake Tiberi (didn't make the top...51 prospects in the SAL league yesterday... yes 51), Michael Paez (.660 OPS in A+ at 23), Colby Woodmansee... retired, Quinn Brodey (sucking in.. the SAL at 23). They have done a piss poor job in every facet of the game. Where are the IFA academy finds they used to find? Familia, Mejia, Robles ?
There are reports about how he isn't given a set offseason budget to work with and that every move must be either approved or disapproved by ownership, so that he doesn't really have the ability to act on a structured offseason plan. Even if that is true, there is no excuse for why the farm system is such shit. And a big part of the GM's job is to sell the owners on why your plan makes sense. If you can't convince your moronic owners to stop shooting the franchise in the foot with their meddling, maybe it's time for a new voice.
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I dislike the yankees too much to go there and i'd never care about another team as much as it's painful to be a Met fan, but with this ownership group withdrawing attachment is probably the only sane move. Whether that's just paying less attention to baseball in general (most likely) or adopting a random team idk.
Honestly, I think Sandy is a halfway decent GM who just had a terrible offseason. Like really really terrible. But the foundation of this team is 100% solid if the ownership invested properly and competent management took over. Thor, JDG, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler an improving farm system with Alonso and 2 first round pitchers rising. That's a much better situation than where the franchise was in 2010/2011/2012.
Again.. on what planet should the last 2 seasons = Sandy keeps his job? He had 4 losing seasons, 2 winning and now 2 more losing with a terrible farm system (bottom 10 in baseball). Where is the alent influx? JDG, Nimmo, Lugo, Gsellman, Matz, Wheeler have ALL been in the system 4 (or more) years. His ability to identify players to spend his money on = a major red flag in itself.
And again I didn't say he should keep his job - in fact I literally suggested "competent management take over". "Halfway decent GM" isn't a glowing endorsement, nor a statement that he shouldn't be replaced.
The only supportive thing I'd say in his favor is that he may be the best we will ever get from the Wilpons so we should be careful what we wish for. It can get a lot worse and I know that because it has been a lot worse.
OR
I could have 10 or more 90+ win seasons, a couple of WS appearances (both losses), and only 2-3 down years, I would absolutely take the former.
That said, it's a retrospective argument where you already have the result. So, of course anyone would probably take the one trophy and deal with the other crap.
I think the point of sustainable competitiveness and why it is so important is that you are constantly giving yourself a shot. If you keep getting into the postseason, odds are you're going to make a run one of those years.
If you're a team that only gets in there once every decade, then you're SOL if you don't win that year. And that's basically what we've seen with the Mets. They could, and arguably should have capitalized in 2006 or 2015 and won the WS in one of those years - which would have changed the entire narrative about this team. But they didn't. And now, it looks like they're quite a ways from ever getting back there. They're moving in the wrong direction.
There are reports about how he isn't given a set offseason budget to work with and that every move must be either approved or disapproved by ownership, so that he doesn't really have the ability to act on a structured offseason plan. Even if that is true, there is no excuse for why the farm system is such shit. And a big part of the GM's job is to sell the owners on why your plan makes sense. If you can't convince your moronic owners to stop shooting the franchise in the foot with their meddling, maybe it's time for a new voice.
Sandy has also lost me as a full fledged supporter because he's showed no vision building on the roster since 2015. He hitched his wagon to having lights out starting pitching when starting pitchers are the post injury prone players in all of sports. He simply hasn't had a good plan and the resources he has been given in FA have been wasted.
In terms of the farm system, there are stats that back up the Mets org having spent in the bottom 1/3 of all baseball in spending, even in the new draft/IFA systems. In the old system they were even further behind. Their size of their scouting staff and analytics departments in all facets have been called into question by reporters. My point there is simply that it's unlikely any GM will be able to change the results dramatically without the resources necessary. And most good candidates won't even want to take a chance on a unstable situation like this one. That's why we are likely going to get Omar act 3.
No title since the early 70's.
No real stretch of sustained winning other than the mid to late 90s.
They've botched every single major decision they've had to make in the last 20 years.
The owner literally removes people and fans he doesnt like from the arena and blacklists them, including one of the franchise's few beloved figures.
Why should Dolan get any credit for "spending money" when it's always on the wrong people?
Apparently you can get lucky with just 1 or 2 players in the NBA and win a lot, even though the Knicks havent sniffed an ounce of success in years.
Yet they were and really should have won.
When you have a team with Thor and deGrom in their primes, and a few bats that have the potential to be better than what they've shown it's not hard to envision a scenario where they turn things around quickly.
I agree with others, Sandy is where people lose confidence. Even with the 2015 success he doesn't instill confidence that he's the guy to re-right the ship.
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Baseball is entertainment, and we are consumers. The Mets are basically running a scam where the Coupons are using the team to pay down their personal debt at the expense of their customers. Fuck them. In any other business, if the company you are investing resources in is actively looking to fuck you over, you'd jump ship, too. The Mets are breaking me as well, and while I can't just stop being a Mets fan and become a fan of another team, my passion and rooting interest in the team is definitely decreasing despite my love for baseball still being at an all time high.
Just wait until the team trades deGrom, who is having one of the best pitching seasons in team history, for a few prospects that may or may not be any good. This team is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
You get it. Thank you. This sums it up exactly.
I don't think I am making an absurd choice here. It's just a personal decision. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing something similar, nor would I try to govern who other people root for in sports.
Life is short. Everyone should do what makes them happy.
No blame here either. Like you, Im 39 and has been following since 1990. But I will be switching for the sake of my young children.
No title since the early 70's.
No real stretch of sustained winning other than the mid to late 90s.
They've botched every single major decision they've had to make in the last 20 years.
The owner literally removes people and fans he doesnt like from the arena and blacklists them, including one of the franchise's few beloved figures.
Why should Dolan get any credit for "spending money" when it's always on the wrong people?
Apparently you can get lucky with just 1 or 2 players in the NBA and win a lot, even though the Knicks havent sniffed an ounce of success in years.
You continue to miss the point as you often do.
Appreciate it, bud. We haven't always agreed on everything, but I've sure as hell respected your unbridled optimism and way of seeing things through when they're darkest. You're as loyal as they come.
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
Arc is a decent human being.
All decent human beings despise the Sawx.
Thus, arc will despise the Sawx.
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I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox?
Arc is a decent human being.
All decent human beings despise the Sawx.
Thus, arc will despise the Sawx.
of course. I hate the Red Sox more than I hate the Mets division rivals because I live in this area, but just trying to see how Arc's hate will manifest
I ask b/c a colleague of mine was a life long Giants fan (before I knew him), grew up in NY and then went to BC for college, stayed in MA and became a Pats fan. I met him when he was a Pats fan and we worked together starting 2005 and he let it slip he used to be a Giants fan.
he claims his metamorphosis happened with Parcells leaving, but whatever - I never judged him - I judged the bandwagoner Pats fans who just heard about football in 2001, but not him.
I'm just wondering will you hate the Red Sox? Will you consider Mets fans inferior b/c they root for a different team in the same city (and to be fair all Yankees fans don't do this, but some do), will you start listening to and watching Yankees games religiously?
not being a dick, just wondering how much you've thought about this and if it's going to be like starting from scratch or maybe you'll get a Derek Jeter fat head for your living room and go to Yankees games with 5 fake aluminum foil rings on your fingers like some Yankees fans used to do (in the Jeter era) at Fenway.
A good question!
And really, a clean slate. I can't act like I was a huge Derek Jeter fan if I wasn't rooting for his team when he was playing. I can, however, appreciate Jeter the way I always have (even as a Mets fan) and what he did both on the field and off (especially all of the gorgeous women he bagged).
The Red Sox hatred will come over time - but it won't be hard because I've hated the Celtics and Bruins for so long and it's mostly the same fans. Ironically, I never really hated the Patriots. I kind of liked the Bledsoe/Curtis Martin teams in the 90's (I didn't root for them, I just didn't hate them - I did pull for them in the SB against GB)
Because of all the young kids the Yankees have coming up now, I feel like I can embrace those guys since they have no long-term history there or anywhere else. I don't have to act like I've been a big Miguel Andujar fan my entire life because this is his rookie season. Same with Torres. And guys like Judge and Severino have only been up a short couple years now, so it's sort of the same thing there.
I have always respected the Yankees as a franchise and looked at them as the model baseball franchise. But I look at their history the same way I would have looked at the Mets' history before I was actually a fan of theirs. I was only 2 years old in 1986. I didn't watch any of those games, I don't remember any of those games. I know those games from watching reruns and highlights years and years later.
I actually watched more of the Yankees than the Mets when I was younger - but it was the Mattingly years. I was watching guys like Sam Militelo, Jimmy Key, etc. Funny enough, if I had waited just a couple more years, I probably never would have been a Mets fan to begin with. But I obviously was and don't, nor will I ever deny that part of my existence. Somewhere in the early 90's I decided I liked the Mets too and eventually just became a full-fledged Mets fan. (D'oh!)
As for the way I view Mets fans - I assuredly will not be a douchebag or act suddenly superior. I'm not on the teams, I don't play. I'm not any better than anyone else because of the team I root for. I always thought that was dumb.
But in short, I'll never be that guy flashing all the rings at games or acting like I've been a fan since 1920.
At the same time, I think you can embrace and appreciate the history. Even all of the greats who played well before my time. That really doesn't change. I obviously wasn't alive to watch Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Mantle, etc. But as a baseball fan, of course I've always marveled at what they did when they played - even if I couldn't watch it myself.
I'm going to the game next Friday. So, I think you can expect my hatred to ramp up VERY quickly from there.
I thought about going back to my roots, I was born in Dayton and was a Big Red Machine fan, attending many games at Crosley Field when guys like Concepcion, Morgan, Perez, Rose were just getting started. Well the family moved to CT and those roots were left behind. I really can't be a Reds fan, mostly cuz they suck too (and I hate red), but I don't feel any connection.
I then loved the old Yankees team of Munson, Chambliss, Roy White, Stick, Nettles, but then George ruined that, so I went to the Mets.
Now, Much like Arc, I am done with the Mets, outside of deGrom, Conforto, Thor, Nimmo maybe, I don't really like any of the Mets, and hate the front office and especially the owners.
Although I absolutely understand and agree with the enthusiasm the Yankee fans show for these young, homegrown players, having fun playing a kids game, I can't root for them...and Boston is out of the question, I barely like going to Boston let alone root for them (love the City, hate the people).
So I will not watch them on TV anymore or go to the stadium, which bums me out, as my wife and I did this often and watched most nights.
I will patiently wait for the Rangers and Knicks to disappoint me again too...But not the GMen, I'm optimistic with them.
PS. Rosario sucks too, a top prospect...BS, he is sooo underperforming...just another reason not to watch.
I could see it! Won't be hard for me to remember my long-term dislike of the Bravos :)
I'm a little torn on the Nationals because I still can't stand them and would absolutely love to see another DS exit for them, BUT... I would also love to see the Yanks crush them in a World Series. Which would bring their fans just as much anguish.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
Thank You Mets!!!
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Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
I used that line on my friend - he caught me in a Yankees hat last weekend and was like "what the fuck is this?!"
He's probably my best bud, and I've been close with his family since we were kids. He's a Mets fan, but his father is a Yankees fan - and he was like "please do not let my father see this or find out about it. He'll start treating you like his son instead of me. Haha.
Yup - Kelvin was a big get for them. He's been fantastic this year. That's why I keep saying even if Betances has big trade value right now, NYY shouldn't (and won't) deal him because of how important the BP's start to become down the stretch and into October. It's the same reason why going into this season, I was annoyed that Swarzak was the only guy the Mets really added to their pen. I have always disliked Ramos, so that didn't move the needle for me at all.
WSH has pretty much everything they need now. But it'll also depend on whether or not Strasburg can stay healthy. The kid who is pitching in his place right now (Fedde) is one of (if not their best) pitching prospects I believe, but he doesn't look totally ready yet.
Scherzer is just an animal though. Hard to believe there's anyone in the NL better than deGrom right now - but he is.
Mets ownership broke me this season and I posted this a week ago...
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Thank You Mets!!!
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Thank you for the 1986 season - As a 10 year old, it's one of my fondest memories watching that team win the World Series with my father.
Thank you for the 1988 season - I was a huge David Cone fan and this was perhaps my favorite season of following the Mets from game 1 to game 162. Too bad it ended in heartbreak against a team from destiny with the way Orel was pitching and how hot Gibson got.
Thank you for the 2000 season - A lot of fun that season as both NY teams captured the spirit of the city and first Subway Series in almost 50 years.
Thank you for the 2015 season - Man it was such a fun season to follow that team. Loved seeing the pitching staff healthy and dominating teams toward the end of the season. Plus sweeping the Cubs was great.
There were several other teams in between that some made the playoffs, many others that didn't. Through it all I just loved following this team, win or lose, for over 30 years.
Although I can not support this ownership group anymore. I will not cheer for another baseball team and will not follow the sport at all. If for some reason this ownership sells the team, I'll be more than happy to keep supporting this team I love.
Until then, this ownership group won't get anything else from me as a fan. No more attending games (used to watch 20+ home and away games a year). No more buying team merchandise. No more of my fan support.
Haven't watched any games since but do still like to read the Mets threads. Some habits are hard to break! LOL
Thank you!
And I sure as hell don't blame you.
I think most Mets fans look at the Yanks differently than I always have, so it was easier for me to do this. But I absolutely understand why most who don't want to watch the Mets anymore won't root for the Yanks either.
It's just what I wanted personally. But everyone can, and should do what's in their own best interest. No team is worth getting so frustrated over. So, whether the solution is to root for someone else or just stop watching altogether, there's really nothing wrong with that in my book. Sports are personal to everyone and we all have our own way of being fans. I can only control my own fandom. It's not my place to try and control anyone else's.
It's not every day that a guy who was lauding one franchise in one city as recently as a month and a half ago (like you were when the Mets were 11-1) to all of a sudden drop that franchise cold turkey and announce (in as weird a way as you did) that you are all of a sudden ALL IN on the better franchise in that very same city that also just happens to be in 1st place with young talent everywhere.
Before you say anything about anyone trying to "govern" you or whatever, that's not so. Enjoy the Yankees. Just saying it's not every day you hear something like this.
Sort of reminds me of Billy Zane's character in the Titanic hopping in that lifeboat with the women and children.
Hopefully you stick with us on NYG and don't become an Eagles fan due to their recent success. Who knows, you may be tempted before too long!