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Pete44 : 6/20/2018 9:29 am
Here is the news of the day:

1) Hawks eying Docnic with the #3 pick

2) Mavs/Grizzlies talking trade for #4 pick, as only player to meet with the Grizzlies has been Wendell Carter Jr

3) Kevin Knox and Kentucky PG rising

4) Nets to acquire Dwight Howard for Mozgov to create 2 max salary slots in 2019. Dwight Howard finally comes to New Jersey

5) Leonard met with Pop last night in LA to try to salvage things, but Leonard still livid at Tony Parker and Pop

6) Knicks playing in London next season as Knicks beat writers have not written anything of value regarding the draft. In my opinion, I think the Knicks are going to take Kevin Knox unless Porter or Carter drops.
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Caveat  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:05 pm : link
being if we did not have to give Frank up to get Bamba I'd be onboard. Frank is a dealbreaker for Bamba to me, wing defenders are harder to come by. More or less Frank is the guard version of Bamba
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.


didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13995607 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:


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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful


No?
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13995608 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13995607 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:


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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful



No?


you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless
Dream Scenario  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
Would be to include Hardaway. If they can pull this off without including Frank, obviously KP and no future 1st- you have to be ecstatic as a Knicks fan.

Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ..  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13995615 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13995608 Jon in NYC said:


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In comment 13995607 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:


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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful



No?



you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless


Lee is useless. He's salary filler.
RE: Dream Scenario  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13995616 TyreeHelmet said:
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Would be to include Hardaway. If they can pull this off without including Frank, obviously KP and no future 1st- you have to be ecstatic as a Knicks fan.

Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.


Replacing THJR is a near wash from a talent standpoint, Parsons is older and injury prone but not necessarily a worse player - I think THJR is young enough were tangible improvements in 3 point shooting or passing could make him into a good player. But I think ideally both are coming off the bench on a good team.

And i think it would be a bad trade for Memphis still, not sure what the extra salary would do for them in the long run.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
next post i said add 9  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
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RE: ..  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13995619 nygiants16 said:
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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol


Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK
RE: ..  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13995619 nygiants16 said:
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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol


Why do we as Knicks fans care if this is a good or bad trade from MEM's perspective lol. I think its a bad trade for them, that's exactly why I would do it.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13995621 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13995619 nygiants16 said:


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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol



Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK


i did the very next post
Okay, well I clearly wasn't responding to that.  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:31 pm : link
Either way I could not have less interest in picking up a discussion we had a week ago.
Bamba is #4 for me  
Anakim : 6/20/2018 7:29 pm : link
Behind Ayton, Doncic, and MBIII. I think I'd give him the slight edge over JJJ.


Having said that, I wouldn't trade a future first or Ntilikina to move up.
knicks did not interview bamba at combine according to berman  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 7:29 pm : link
leads more credence to knocks trading up
RE: Bamba AND Porzingis?  
djm : 6/20/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13995577 bceagle05 said:
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That's a lot of size for a league that's getting smaller and smaller.


The league isnt getting smaller. Big players are just more athletic and less stationary. Durant and dozens more are forwards trapped in a centers body.
Lets all relax this aint going to happen  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 8:13 pm : link
And honestly I dont think there is anyone worth trading up to #4 to get assuming doncic, Bagley and Atton are gone. I dont want to give up Frank or Dotson either. I dont think the 4th pick is that much better than 9. Honestly I would take Sexton at #4 anyway.

Additionally I dont trust the Knicks office to make a good trade. In order for them to trade us Parsons we have to give them back contracts match Parsons amount. We cannot be a salary dump team for them unless Kanter opts in today and they get his expiring. We need to match Parsons Salary of $25 million. Lets say we match the $25 million with Mudiay and Baker expirings, Lee and Thomas. All this does is save them about $10-$12 million in 2019 offseason. Thats not that big of a deal. Knicks would certainly have to offer a future first and probably a couple of seconds to move up in that scenario. This is not worth it. Just stay the course and pick the BPA.
RE: Lets all relax this aint going to happen  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13995690 GMEN46 said:
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And honestly I dont think there is anyone worth trading up to #4 to get assuming doncic, Bagley and Atton are gone. I dont want to give up Frank or Dotson either. I dont think the 4th pick is that much better than 9. Honestly I would take Sexton at #4 anyway.

Additionally I dont trust the Knicks office to make a good trade. In order for them to trade us Parsons we have to give them back contracts match Parsons amount. We cannot be a salary dump team for them unless Kanter opts in today and they get his expiring. We need to match Parsons Salary of $25 million. Lets say we match the $25 million with Mudiay and Baker expirings, Lee and Thomas. All this does is save them about $10-$12 million in 2019 offseason. Thats not that big of a deal. Knicks would certainly have to offer a future first and probably a couple of seconds to move up in that scenario. This is not worth it. Just stay the course and pick the BPA.


The idea isnt to dump Parsons for cap space. They want players who can contribute. Theyre locked into Conley and Gasol with few assets/picks and want to win now. Its stupid but its what their reported plan is
Haha Lee and Thomas  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 8:44 pm : link
Are both worse than Parsons.
RE: Haha Lee and Thomas  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13995712 GMEN46 said:
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Are both worse than Parsons.


Lee is not worse than Parsons. Lee would start for Memphis and Parsons can't stay on the floor.
Predictably, Kyle O'Quinn  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 9:26 pm : link
has declined his player option, per Woj.
If we get to  
RAIN : 6/20/2018 9:30 pm : link
#4, I hope its for Jaren Jackson jr.

Hes got such 2 way potential. Bombas Frame scares me, their arent a lot of guys that have succeeded with that frame.
Completely agree RAin  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 10:08 pm : link
You cannot have Porzingis and Bamba on the same team. They would get scorched on pick and roll offense. And Knicks offense would be a mess with those 2 guys on the floor at the same time. Jackson in theory would be the perfect fit to Porzingis b cause he can match up against guards and small forwards. Something seems to be missing with him. Almost reminds me of Marvin Williams, everyone loved him going into draft and I just didnt see it.
KOQ played hard always  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 10:11 pm : link
He will be missed.
Lakers  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 10:24 pm : link
Grab Phily 2nd rounder for cash and next years 2nd.
Nets trade  
davek3698 : 6/21/2018 10:21 am : link
Read over a dozen takes on the trade last night, written by nba pundits all over the country. Not one thought the trade was a bad move by the Nets. Only here is such thought/bias. Most added overall praise for Sean Marks since his arrival as well.
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2018 1:38 pm : link
Hoop Central


@TheHoopCentral

🚨Trade/Draft Update

🔘Sixers considered trading Markelle Fultz, the No. 10 Pick, and the No. 26 Pick in the draft for a Top 5 Pick to select Michael Porter Jr.
🔘Bucks willing to move down from No. 17 if team is willing to take on Dellavedovas contract

(Via Athletic, Ringer).
Nets negotiate buyout  
giantsfan44ab : 6/21/2018 2:17 pm : link
with Dwight Howard.

This makes sense. I thought for some odd reason they'd let him play. That would not have been justifiable.
...  
Keith : 6/21/2018 2:17 pm : link

According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Spurs "are willing listeners on Kawhi Leonard trade proposals."

We still don't much about how the meeting between coach Gregg Popovich and Leonard went, but this could be an indication that the two-way superstar still wants to move on. Wojnarowski adds that the Spurs "haven't been proactive in chasing down offers," but they are doing their due diligence in case the right offer comes along. Even though the Lakers are reportedly his preferred destination, they haven't had any dialogue with the Spurs yet.
I got a feeling  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/21/2018 2:32 pm : link
tonight is going to be crazy.
RE: Nets negotiate buyout  
hitdog42 : 6/21/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13996410 giantsfan44ab said:
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with Dwight Howard.

This makes sense. I thought for some odd reason they'd let him play. That would not have been justifiable.


culture preserved!
Doncic's Mom is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/21/2018 7:26 pm : link
A fox. I believe she's s former model. I can see why.
RE: Doncic's Mom is  
SJGiant : 6/21/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13996722 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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A fox. I believe she's s former model. I can see why.


She looked like his girlfriend more than his mom
Ayton  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/21/2018 7:40 pm : link
To Suns as expected. Bagley probably goes to Kings next.
anyone find a stream for this?  
RAIN : 6/21/2018 7:42 pm : link
wondering.
Mavs trading up to get Luka per Woj.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/21/2018 7:45 pm : link
Smart.
Woj was on Zach Lowe's podcast on  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2018 11:43 am : link
Friday & he thinks LAL are slight favorites to land LBJ.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2018 1:28 pm : link
can't find the quote directly from Woj but one of those knicks fan twitter accounts quoted him as saying Robinson will be on the same level as Bamba/Ayton in 2-3 years.
RE: Woj was on Zach Lowe's podcast on  
Mike in NJ : 6/25/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13999229 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Friday & he thinks LAL are slight favorites to land LBJ.


Where do you see that? The most recent Lowe podcast I see was the one with Windhorst and Rachel Nichols, did you mean that one and not Woj?

Windhorst has mentioned 51% to LA, 40% Cleveland, 9% Philly.

Dan  
RAIN : 6/25/2018 1:37 pm : link
There was a podcast prior to the draft that said Mitchell Robinson is on the same level of them as athlete's and held his own against them in direct competition. He was a fan of Robinson.

He has a different personality, introverted and shy... and bailed on Western Kentucy, when something happened with his relative, UNC's Shammond Williams and their coaching staff... he left and it caused M.Robinson to leave as well. Odd, but part of intrigue with this pick.

Personally, he's a small gamble on getting a Cappella type at the 4/5.
i just do not see him going to la alone  
nygiants16 : 6/25/2018 1:38 pm : link
makes zero sense for him to do that, he has no ties to the lakers or anyone currently there...
RE: i just do not see him going to la alone  
giants#1 : 6/25/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13999317 nygiants16 said:
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makes zero sense for him to do that, he has no ties to the lakers or anyone currently there...


They've got Lonzo!
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13999316 RAIN said:
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There was a podcast prior to the draft that said Mitchell Robinson is on the same level of them as athlete's and held his own against them in direct competition. He was a fan of Robinson.

He has a different personality, introverted and shy... and bailed on Western Kentucy, when something happened with his relative, UNC's Shammond Williams and their coaching staff... he left and it caused M.Robinson to leave as well. Odd, but part of intrigue with this pick.

Personally, he's a small gamble on getting a Cappella type at the 4/5.


I watched his interview (Robinson's) and he came off as really quiet and shy. I hope they can coach him up. I felt kind of bat for the kid how awkward he seemed but I guess I'm just used to the hyper polished kids we now see in sports.
SI  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2018 3:32 pm : link
somehow got the script for the LAL pitch to Paul George.
RE: SI  
nygiants16 : 6/25/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13999407 DanMetroMan said:
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somehow got the script for the LAL pitch to Paul George.


after the ibterview rob pelinka did i really hope the lakers strike out...
Holy  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2018 3:37 pm : link
shit, the SI website is basically unusable.
As a thought exercise Lonzo clearly does not work with LBJ  
NoGainDayne : 6/25/2018 3:39 pm : link
do you think they trade him if they sign LBJ? Or use Lonzo to spell LBJ while working with the 2nd unit.

I'm not sure what Lonzo is worth at this point. I can't see a team giving up anything that could become a lotto pick. So a good teams first rounder?
RE: As a thought exercise Lonzo clearly does not work with LBJ  
nygiants16 : 6/25/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13999415 NoGainDayne said:
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do you think they trade him if they sign LBJ? Or use Lonzo to spell LBJ while working with the 2nd unit.

I'm not sure what Lonzo is worth at this point. I can't see a team giving up anything that could become a lotto pick. So a good teams first rounder?


i am sure lebron will trade him if he signs in la, he is not going to deal with lavar
RE: RE: Woj was on Zach Lowe's podcast on  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13999315 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 13999229 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Friday & he thinks LAL are slight favorites to land LBJ.



Where do you see that? The most recent Lowe podcast I see was the one with Windhorst and Rachel Nichols, did you mean that one and not Woj?

Windhorst has mentioned 51% to LA, 40% Cleveland, 9% Philly.


Mike, my bad. I meant Windhorst, not Woj.
What about a trade like this between the Knicks and Lakers?  
NoGainDayne : 6/25/2018 3:55 pm : link
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8rky9ku
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