Here is the news of the day:
1) Hawks eying Docnic with the #3 pick
2) Mavs/Grizzlies talking trade for #4 pick, as only player to meet with the Grizzlies has been Wendell Carter Jr
3) Kevin Knox and Kentucky PG rising
4) Nets to acquire Dwight Howard for Mozgov to create 2 max salary slots in 2019. Dwight Howard finally comes to New Jersey
5) Leonard met with Pop last night in LA to try to salvage things, but Leonard still livid at Tony Parker and Pop
6) Knicks playing in London next season as Knicks beat writers have not written anything of value regarding the draft. In my opinion, I think the Knicks are going to take Kevin Knox unless Porter or Carter drops.
I'm talking more about the newspaper writers. Begley has been ok.
Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.
Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?
Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?
Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?
Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?
no idea, the questiom has tk be who is memphis target?
is it somekne in that 8 to 10 range?
Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.
Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?
Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?
Very unlikely Bamba falls to 9.
Knox- Franchise changing player? Also unlikely. He's young and raw but definitely has upside. He also has a ton of holes in his game and not many players become franchise changing.
That's the million dollar question on Porter. Tantalizing talent but having a bad back that young is incredibly worrisome. I personally think he could be the best player in the draft and is worth the injury risk. He's a tremendous talent. He also comes across as an asshole in interviews and seems to have some character issues.
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.
charlotte gets under the lux tax
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.
charlotte gets under the lux tax
It is a good trade, even if they can't get free agents, cap space is valuable and allows teams to make trades like the Parsons/4th pick from Memphis.
Are you a Knicks fan?
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As a casual NBA/Knicks fan I'm wondering.
Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.
Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?
Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?
Very unlikely Bamba falls to 9.
Knox- Franchise changing player? Also unlikely. He's young and raw but definitely has upside. He also has a ton of holes in his game and not many players become franchise changing.
That's the million dollar question on Porter. Tantalizing talent but having a bad back that young is incredibly worrisome. I personally think he could be the best player in the draft and is worth the injury risk. He's a tremendous talent. He also comes across as an asshole in interviews and seems to have some character issues.
with knox you just dont know, there is stuff he showed in jigh school that he didnt do in college...
his handle looked alot better in high school, his defense was very good, was known as a hustle and rebounder in high school...
with kentucky guys you just never know
correct they do, and its recognized by the league and will be rewarded as the boston trade debacle moves to rear view mirror in the next 2-3 years
Of course
Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?
If Doncic is available its a no brainer to me. If he goes in the top 3, it becomes a tougher situation but I am most likely doing it. Getting a Jackson/Bomba/ Porter type talent for taking on an extra 12 million for 2019-2020 is a good move.
The summer of 2020 also seems like a more realistic time to go after big FAs. Hopefully they will be a playoff team by then with a fully healthy in his prime KP. Noah will be off the books and hopefully Hardaway. I still have no idea why they gave him a 19 million player option- totally unnecessary.
unrealistic as I don't see Bridges or Sexton going before Bamba...
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I agree. It's hard to gauge Kentucky players sometimes. They always have a boatload of 5 star freshmen that don't always mesh. I think Knox definitely has the potential to exceed what people are projecting for him.
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.
charlotte gets under the lux tax
Great trade for BKN and awful for CHA. Makes no sense for them. They got a worse player on a longer contract and worse contract. Just to pick up 2nd round picks and duck the tax? They had to be another way to get under the tax.
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with kentucky guys you just never know
I agree. It's hard to gauge Kentucky players sometimes. They always have a boatload of 5 star freshmen that don't always mesh. I think Knox definitely has the potential to exceed what people are projecting for him.
the more i read about him and watxh of him i want him..
he could be a deadly small ball 4 in the nba...
That being said, if Knox goes higher perhaps another guy falls.
Great trade for the Nets. Marks/ Atkinson is a good combo. They've made some impressive moves- something I've yet to see from Perry/ Mills.
Great trade for the Nets. Marks/ Atkinson is a good combo. They've made some impressive moves- something I've yet to see from Perry/ Mills.
what impressive moves have they made?
they trade for allen crabbe who has 1 of the worst contracts in the league...
traded a 1st round pick for deangelo russell..
The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.
I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.
He's got a lot of tools but hasn't quite put it all together yet. Has areas that he needs to improve like his ball-handling, needs to add muscle (especially to his core and lower body), and has to improve his shot creation. Doesn't really have too many offensive moves to speak of which hopefully can come with time.
I think his upside is a poor man's Kevin Durant which is a great risk/reward proposition for a team in the Knicks position or any team for that matter with the 9th pick. Of course, in typical Knicks fashion he'll probably go 8 and become an all star in a few years
The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.
I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.
Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesnt that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since hes another <20 PG.
Getting Russell/Allen/ RHJ/ Lavert/ Dinwiddie without owning any of your own 1st round picks is pretty impressive in my opinion. They were dealt a terrible hand and have gotten really creative in improving the roster.
What has Perry done thats been a positive for the Knicks? I know its only been 1 year but Trey Burke is his only good move. I won't even get in to Mills' record.
Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?
I would. Give me Bamba baby. Best fit pick next to KP. That'd be a fun duo.
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The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.
The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.
I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.
Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesnt that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since hes another <20 PG.
I'm not worried about a logjam myself. Frank is the only pg under contract after next season and in today's game you can play Frank alongside another lead ball handler (assuming Frank's best position is point guard long term which isn't a given). I'm not a fan of Sexton's fit next to Frank since neither are very good shooters but Young would make sense. Frank could help to mask some of his defensive shortcomings and Young would help to stretch the floor and take some pressure off Frank as a primary ball handler. It worked with Frank and Burke last year and Young is already better than Burke imo
Porter Jr, if his back checks out, which is a big if, also has entitilement issues that scare me. The talent is off the charts, everything else is off putting.
That said, Im a fan of both Guards as fits next to Frank. I love Sexton.
If we get out of this draft with Sexton, Young, or Carter Jr. ( as a perfect fit next to Porz)... Im happy. Knox I need some convincing on the attitude /motor.
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is stabalizing the organization after billy king and hiring atkinson..
Getting Russell/Allen/ RHJ/ Lavert/ Dinwiddie without owning any of your own 1st round picks is pretty impressive in my opinion. They were dealt a terrible hand and have gotten really creative in improving the roster.
What has Perry done thats been a positive for the Knicks? I know its only been 1 year but Trey Burke is his only good move. I won't even get in to Mills' record.
they gave up a 1st round pick and took on a bad contract to get russell..
i like allen very good late first pick...
dknwiddle, rhj, and lavert all solid role players...
i would not call any of those koves impressive...
yes right now the best kove for perry is taking a chance on burke...
id also say getting that 2nd from okc was a good move and if kanter opts out you saved a ton on melos deal when evwryone thought the best knicks were going to do was harkless...
mudiay move has veen a bust but you gave up nothing
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The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.
The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.
I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.
Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesnt that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since hes another <20 PG.
The Hardaway signing was all Mills to get the job and prove he can attract free agents. Perry came in later.
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
my guess is if doncic is gone that memphis either trades pick or goes porter..
mavs i thibk go bamba
orlando young
chicago carter
cavs i think end up trading their pick for kemba, charlotte takes sga
I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.
Ummmm, he shot 58 more threes than any other Kentucky player, although he was only OK at making them - 57-167, 34.1%
I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.
Tyree - I saw the same, but they say he has added 3 point shooting since the end of the college season.
I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.
you need to watxh aome of his high school, he was a xompletwly different player..
coming out of high school he was known as a hustle rebounder and defensive player..
at kentucky he played the 3...
he made 1.5 3s per game and shot 36 percent, not awesome not horrible either...
in the nba he will have a lot more spacing as he will most likely play the 4, he can run off screens...
his biggest weakness is his dribble, he is not going to be a point forward...
There was an old saying, Dean Smith was the only person that could contain Michael Jordan.
Calipari is similar, remember Karl Anthony Towns.
There was an old saying, Dean Smith was the only person that could contain Michael Jordan.
Calipari is similar, remember Karl Anthony Towns.
forget towns, look at devin booker
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
I think you have the first 3 right, but have a hard time believing Memphis takes Jackson after he refused to work out there or provide them with his medical. I think its more likely that they grab Porter or Carter leaving Jackson at 5 for the Mavericks.
At 6 a lot of the late buzz seems to point towards Orlando going with Sexton or Young.
I think there's a chance one will be there,6 big men going in the top 8 would be a lot.
Players like Bridges,Knox,or the kid with the spare last name may go higher than expected
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He's definitely a skilled offensive player, but he didn't shoot 3s
Ummmm, he shot 58 more threes than any other Kentucky player, although he was only OK at making them - 57-167, 34.1%
No one on Kentucky shot 3s- its one of the main reasons they struggled all year. I'm aware of his stats, but just watching him play, he really worked to get his shot in the mid range area.
I'm not saying he can't improve and I understand the Calipari/ UK style of play argument. I would like the pick I'm just sharing my observations of him.
I do think Mikal Bridges is being undervauled because he's the "old age of 21". I thin he would be a great pick for the Knicks and a steal at 10 or later.
givony said knicks do not like trae young, kf wemt point guard it would be sexton but said knicks locked in on porter or knox
I don't know how any Knicks fan would say no to that as we would all hope that KP turns into the force that Kawhi already is and KP will need to get paid soon too. Obviously the only contingent would be the contract extension with Kawhi. Now sure why he would want to come to the Knicks, but crazier things have happened.
Personally, I think KP's ceiling is closer to KD(before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I said ceiling). So even if KP turned into KD, are you really losing much in Kawhi?
Is there any Knicks fan that wouldn't get involved and dangle KP? I'm not sure how anyone other than Boston can really make that much of a better offer(Phoenix maybe, but they won't) that San Antonio would accept.
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
I think you have the first 3 right, but have a hard time believing Memphis takes Jackson after he refused to work out there or provide them with his medical. I think its more likely that they grab Porter or Carter leaving Jackson at 5 for the Mavericks.
At 6 a lot of the late buzz seems to point towards Orlando going with Sexton or Young.
I know it is "lying season" out there, but assuming that there is a degree of truth in what is being put out there, I think the draft shakes out as:
Suns- Ayton
Kings- Bagley
Hawks- Doncic
Grizz- Porter (unless they deal the pick)
Mavs- JJJ
Magic- Sexton
Bulls- Knox
Cavs- Young or the long-name Kentucky PG
Knicks- Bamba
There are too many people reporting that the Magic are locked in on Sexton- some and fire thing. The Grizz have been rejected by most top bigs- and like the Kings are more likely to pick someone who WANTS to be picked high- Porter.
There have been several reports linking Knox to the Bulls since yesterday- though with the pending FA for their bigs, Bamba makes sense there too.
The Cavs apparently are trying to get a top notch PG because LeBron is focused on that. Also, if LeBron leaves, they need someone to run the offense.
For the Knicks, I suspect that the key will be the Bulls pick. If Bamba is there, the Knicks MIGHT be tempted to offer the Bulls their second rounder back to move up. Otherwise, the Bulls pick one of Bamba and Knox, and the Knicks get the other.
Just my guess based on all the wild speculation out there. A lot of the speculation is nonsense, but some of it falls into the too much smoke not to be fire area.
I don't know how any Knicks fan would say no to that as we would all hope that KP turns into the force that Kawhi already is and KP will need to get paid soon too. Obviously the only contingent would be the contract extension with Kawhi. Now sure why he would want to come to the Knicks, but crazier things have happened.
Personally, I think KP's ceiling is closer to KD(before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I said ceiling). So even if KP turned into KD, are you really losing much in Kawhi?
Is there any Knicks fan that wouldn't get involved and dangle KP? I'm not sure how anyone other than Boston can really make that much of a better offer(Phoenix maybe, but they won't) that San Antonio would accept.
id have to be assured he is going to resign, if he ia going to bolt for the lakers then no i wouldnt make that trade...
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
There has been some good feedback on this, let me update the view:
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Porter Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Sexton
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - SGA
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario, Knox is still the guy, unless the Bulls take him at 7 and then I think the Knicks happily take Carter.
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
There has been some good feedback on this, let me update the view:
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Porter Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Sexton
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - SGA
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario, Knox is still the guy, unless the Bulls take him at 7 and then I think the Knicks happily take Carter.
Crap I forgot - Jaren Jackson Jr
1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Porter Jr
5) Mavs - Jackson Jr
6) Magic - Sexton
7) Bulls - Bamba
8) Cavs - SGA
9) Knicks - Carter Jr
The Knicks would love this scenario to take shape as Carter is underrated and a great locker room guy in my mind.
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.
I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.
Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
There has been some good feedback on this, let me update the view:
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Porter Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Sexton
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - SGA
9) Knicks - Knox
In this scenario, Knox is still the guy, unless the Bulls take him at 7 and then I think the Knicks happily take Carter.
No.
I do not see any scenario where JJJ falls out of the top 10.
You have KP under control probably until 2024 and hes still a baby. You are also taking a massive risk in Leonard walking next summer which he would probably do after a shitty year with the Knicks.
Now if you wanted to trade the 9th/ Frank for Kawhi and roll the dice he resigns next summer...thats risky but not crazy. You would probably have to take back one or both of the Mills and Gasol contracts. But a core of Kawhi and KP is pretty damn strong.
The problem is that Boston/ Philly/ Lakers can easily top that offer. If I'm the Spurs I'm trying to get either Ingram + from the Lakers or Brown + picks ( Sacramento 2019/ Memphis) from Boston.
Must be tough for your friend to do his job because of LBJ.
Do you think they will take Porter Jr?
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I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but I can counter that with 2 reasons:
1. KP is not near Kawhi's level at this point in his career. Signs certainly point to that as his potential, but there is no guarantee that he ever gets that good.
2. You get Kawhi in NY, that now becomes a real desirable location for other stars. He's def more of a pull for other stars than KP is at this point.
I can also make a case that KP is very injury prone and theres a good chance that doesn't change in his career, but coming off the season Kawhi just had, I won't.
You have KP under control probably until 2024 and hes still a baby. You are also taking a massive risk in Leonard walking next summer which he would probably do after a shitty year with the Knicks.
Now if you wanted to trade the 9th/ Frank for Kawhi and roll the dice he resigns next summer...thats risky but not crazy. You would probably have to take back one or both of the Mills and Gasol contracts. But a core of Kawhi and KP is pretty damn strong.
The problem is that Boston/ Philly/ Lakers can easily top that offer. If I'm the Spurs I'm trying to get either Ingram + from the Lakers or Brown + picks ( Sacramento 2019/ Memphis) from Boston.
Cmon, at least give me the courtesy of reading my whole post. The only scenario worth discussing is Kawhi agreeing to the max. Also, I clearly said we are the best location of the teams SA would be willing to trade Kawhi. They already said that they don't want to trade him to the Lakers. I'm also not sure why Ingram would be more desirable than KP, I disagree with that. What is Philly offering outside of Embiid and Simmons that is better than KP?
However, when you have a guy with KP's build, you better consider that when discussing his future compared to a guy on Kawhi's level.
I'm pretty surprised that so many knicks fans would be opposed to Kawhi for KP assuming Kawhi agreed to the max in NY.
Reports are that Porter and Young are falling and the Knicks are very interested in Porter. I wish we had a better medical staff, would make the risk of taking Porter more palpable, but I would not fault them.
wonder who the target is, i would assume doncic
Wait...
That is very interesting, if true and the Knicks draft him and do that. Basically, in 2019, they would be looking at bringing back KP and Porter. A probable Top 3 pick in the 2019 draft, Frank N and cap space. If that is accomplished, I'd be encouraged.
porter jr said knicks told him last week they liked him but were trying to move up
Under contract control until most likely 2024. He could do what no other player has done before and play out his deal until 2020 to become unrestricted, but he would be leaving a ton of money guaranteed on the table. Theres no chance he does this.
Im sorry I didnt read your whole post about getting Kawhi to commit. But thats not possible. He wont sign an extension because it would cost him money. And even if he gave you his word, do you really trust that? Especially given his actions this year?
Makes zero sense to trade KP for Leonard.
Unless they are trading a future pick, KP or Frank, how are they moving up? They have nothing else of value.
I hope the Parsons/Memphis rumor is true but the Knicks cant just absorb that contract. And unless by some miracle Memphis is hot after Hardaway, why would they make that trade?
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like the Knicks told a few kids they were looking into moving up when they met with them.
Unless they are trading a future pick, KP or Frank, how are they moving up? They have nothing else of value.
I hope the Parsons/Memphis rumor is true but the Knicks cant just absorb that contract. And unless by some miracle Memphis is hot after Hardaway, why would they make that trade?
most likely a future pick a few seconds...
question is who is the player they are trying for
This moves smells of desperation, front office must feel that they are on somewhat of a hot seat. The Lakers trade with them looks AWFUL for them, they took on Mozgov's deal and the Lakers got the 2 best players in that trade (a pick that became Kuzma and Lopez who isn't great but is still better than D-Lo). Now they give 2 more draft picks for the most ant-CULTURE player in the league who will be just good enough for them to win 33 games next year but not any better. The Nets are an absolute joke.
the comment on kuzma is irrelevant if they were not going to take kuzma... in that spot.
And the jury is out on dlo- for better and for worse-- his nba career is not really defined yet.
and on what planet is D12 winning them a lot more games? and jeopardizing draft spots? this was all about 2019 cap off the books.
the entire post is just an odd contribution to a rational discussion
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Sure, it improves the team in the short-term, but not nearly enough to contend, and Leonard is four years older. You still have the same problem of having to add a whole bunch of talent around that one big star.
I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but I can counter that with 2 reasons:
1. KP is not near Kawhi's level at this point in his career. Signs certainly point to that as his potential, but there is no guarantee that he ever gets that good.
2. You get Kawhi in NY, that now becomes a real desirable location for other stars. He's def more of a pull for other stars than KP is at this point.
I can also make a case that KP is very injury prone and theres a good chance that doesn't change in his career, but coming off the season Kawhi just had, I won't.
You get nowhere doing this. Two for one. The one, Leonard, is coming off his own injury and older with less control. Are you a spurs fan? Thats the only way I understand this.
the comment on kuzma is irrelevant if they were not going to take kuzma... in that spot.
And the jury is out on dlo- for better and for worse-- his nba career is not really defined yet.
and on what planet is D12 winning them a lot more games? and jeopardizing draft spots? this was all about 2019 cap off the books.
the entire post is just an odd contribution to a rational discussion
If Dwight Howard is bought out before the start of the season then I can see your point. But if he isn't he directly hurts the nets chance of getting a star player.
Having Dwight Howard instead of Mozgov is a net positive in every respect, except culture. Having Dwight Howard when all the other bottom teams are trying to lose will absolutely hurt the chances of getting a top pic. Having Dwight Howard on your roster when your entire mantra is "CULTURE!" is downright contradictory.
And if you are going to view the pick not as Kuzma but as a hypothetical pick then you have to look at getting Russel as not just Russel but the "right" to pay Russel his next contract. So not only does he have to morph into a winning basketball player, which he hasn't been for the first 3 years or his career, or a healthy basketball player, which he also hasnt been for the first 3 years of his career, but he also has to outplay his likely not-insignificant deal he will be receiving after the end of next season.
And having 2 max slots has to be judged against the rest of the leagues available cap space. I dont have the exact number on hand but I think more teams than not will have at least 1 max slot. Will the Nets be able to pry free agents from all the other better teams that have cap space? I don't think so but maybe "culture" substitutes having 0 star players on your team 2 years from now. Who knows.
And some of that future available cap space has to be judged against the fact that D-lo, Dinwiddie and RHJ (3 of their ACTUAL pieces, not fluff like Carrol or Crabbe thats really not part of the future) will all hit FA after next year and will likely combine for more than one max slot.
Really don't see how the Nets will even make the playoffs within the next 5 years. They really aren't following the Sixers approach when they probably have the roster to just completely bottom out and have a 2-3 year rebuild.
No Kieth, I know talent, and your position is short sighted, without knowledge of cap and assets. Did Leonard play this year?
It falls short in a number of Categories. Lets also mention Leonard would be 30, when Knicks could possibly contend. I like his game, but your doing a two for one, damaging your cap and getting older. If a team is a piece away, you do a deal for Leonard using picks and players. Not now for the Knicks. They need multiple scorers and low cap numbers moving forward.
This would be an old timey Dolan type move.
Dwight Howard is a flat out loser and is not going to make the Nets relevant in any way even when his contract is done.
The Nets will still suck. They still have no top picks. And no one will want to go to a franchise who the best thing you can say about them is they have good culture.
You know who has good culture too? Philly, Boston, Milwaukee, Indy, Houston, golden state, etc...
Those teams have bright futures too.
1) he inherited the worst situation i have ever seen in sports
2) they are better off then when he arrived, and have forward looking cap space and some young players who are at worst solid role players
3) they improve the players that come- and the system is player friendly
4) they are still generally fkd in terms of ability to attract top level talent and they get their pick back in a year when the draft is supposed to suck
5) i am not an insider in basketball- i just am best buds with the one gm so can offer some nuggets at times- and had a lucky connection to the nets coaching job a few years back.
They dumped Mozgov's seemingly immovable contract and now have a ton of cap room and all their own picks going forward. Everyone over 23 years old on the roster is an expiring contract except Crabbe (who is 26 and can opt out). They are basically a blank slate with some young talented pieces to build on (Russell, Allen, Levert, whoever they pick tomorrow, etc). I don't think anyone expects them to be major players in UFA next year. Most likely they have a similar record, a lotto pick, and the cap room to acquire more picks or make runs at younger RFA's.
More interestingly - I now think your friend has the toughest job tomorrow night, drafting without knowing the future of Lebron. He got screwed that pick ended up 8th.
If you dont want Howard then simply cut him. This is simply a swapping of bad contracts with Mozgov being worse. Marks inherited a truly awful situation and has done well with it.
smokescreen to get philly to move up?
I had thought Bridges and the Knicks were a marriage after the lottery, but my hope is that they are doing this to force the Sixers to give them an asset to move from #10 to #9 to get him.
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smokescreen to get philly to move up?
All depends on how they view whos available, but what about 10 and 26 to move up to 9? Id do that trade.
Signing guys like Jeremy Lin to long term deals isn't helping you move toward contention. He will win a you a handful of games here and there , which we saw this year can impact your draft pick by as many as 5-7 slots. These "culture" guys aren't filling up seats at Barclays center - what are they really doing?
Again the Nets were the perfect candidate to follow the Hinkie model but they are still concerned with signing guys that keep them in mediocrity.
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like the Knicks told a few kids they were looking into moving up when they met with them.
Reports are that Porter and Young are falling and the Knicks are very interested in Porter. I wish we had a better medical staff, would make the risk of taking Porter more palpable, but I would not fault them.
The Knicks dont have a terrific medical staff??
Hubie (Brendan's dad) coached in Memphis, so I'd imagine that info is legit.
huh? everyone is saying something different how is this an expected move?
frank was not a risk last year? are you kidding me
how has bridges been pegged? for a long time it was sexton or young...
then it was porter and trying to trade up...
then it was knox...
how has it always been bridges?
If the Porter JR thing is true and he is going to fall would love to get 12 and 13 from Clips with the hope of Porter JR with one of those picks. Would probably cost 9, 36, Mudiay and maybe a future 2nd?
Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think Id do it to get Doncic.
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me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.
Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think Id do it to get Doncic.
if it means keeping 9 yes, but if i am taking parsons im not dealing both
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me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.
Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think Id do it to get Doncic.
For taking on parsons, no but if just to move up yeah.
8" will allow how to give some guys issues. Offensively he can run the offense.
It appears that the Grizz are looking for building blocks for 4- or salary relief. The Knicks COULD do it, but it MIGHT cause problems for the 2019 plan.
If the Knicks make the salary relief offer, it would be Kanter for the #4 and Parsons. However, that would add about $23M in salary in 2019 for Parsons, basically eliminating all hope of getting cap space for two guys. On the other hand, it would all but force the Knicks to keep and play Noah, who MIGHT be able to rebuild some trade value (though it is very doubtful that would happen).
If the Knicks go the building block route, they could offer Hardaway and some younger low salary guys for Parsons and the #4, but then the Knicks lose two rotation guys for only 1 guy. Of course, if tanking is the goal this year, then you do it.
I stand by this being an extremely false assumption that gets beat to death. The league is going for more skilled players on the floor, and it happens to be the absolute best teams have smaller guys at the 5. Even that's exaggerated. Draymond has a 7'5" wingspan and is the strongest player in the league. I wouldn't even say he's small.
Even if you want to say he is small, look at the rest of the Warriors lineup. Klay is a 6'8" 2 guard. KD is 7'. Even before KD, Barnes is 6'8-6'9.
Capella is a traditonal center that can switch and defend the rim. He was pivotal in the GS series and kept them in many games on both ends. I can easily see Bamba in that role, he can defend the rim and switch.
Are the Sixers going small? 4 of their 5 starters are 6'9" or taller.
The C's when Hayward returns? 4 of their 5 starters will be 6'8" or taller.
brendan brown saying memphis has a deal lined up...
begely saykng knicks met with bamba...
givony saying knicks have talked with memphis about a deal...
seems like a lot of smoke
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
Pure conjecture.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
I'd consider throwing in Burke if thats what it took to get it done.
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
I'd consider throwing in Burke if thats what it took to get it done.
I would as well. I have to say though, Bamba is not the guy I'd move up for.
I really hope they get this done. I'd do this in a heartbeat. I'm not letting a 2019 pipedream prevent this. The only target I see having any realistic shot at is Kyrie. And I just don't really see top players being eager to sign up with the Knicks after what will be a very bad year.
I think targeting the 2020 and 2021 offseasons is a better strategy. Take on Parsons and get that 4th pick.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
No?
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
No?
you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless
Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.
Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
No?
you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless
Lee is useless. He's salary filler.
Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.
Replacing THJR is a near wash from a talent standpoint, Parsons is older and injury prone but not necessarily a worse player - I think THJR is young enough were tangible improvements in 3 point shooting or passing could make him into a good player. But I think ideally both are coming off the bench on a good team.
And i think it would be a bad trade for Memphis still, not sure what the extra salary would do for them in the long run.
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...
saves them 11 million after next year...
plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...
saves them 11 million after next year...
plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...
saves them 11 million after next year...
plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
Why do we as Knicks fans care if this is a good or bad trade from MEM's perspective lol. I think its a bad trade for them, that's exactly why I would do it.
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In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...
saves them 11 million after next year...
plus saves them off the 4th round pick..
they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK
i did the very next post
Having said that, I wouldn't trade a future first or Ntilikina to move up.
The league isnt getting smaller. Big players are just more athletic and less stationary. Durant and dozens more are forwards trapped in a centers body.
Additionally I dont trust the Knicks office to make a good trade. In order for them to trade us Parsons we have to give them back contracts match Parsons amount. We cannot be a salary dump team for them unless Kanter opts in today and they get his expiring. We need to match Parsons Salary of $25 million. Lets say we match the $25 million with Mudiay and Baker expirings, Lee and Thomas. All this does is save them about $10-$12 million in 2019 offseason. Thats not that big of a deal. Knicks would certainly have to offer a future first and probably a couple of seconds to move up in that scenario. This is not worth it. Just stay the course and pick the BPA.
Additionally I dont trust the Knicks office to make a good trade. In order for them to trade us Parsons we have to give them back contracts match Parsons amount. We cannot be a salary dump team for them unless Kanter opts in today and they get his expiring. We need to match Parsons Salary of $25 million. Lets say we match the $25 million with Mudiay and Baker expirings, Lee and Thomas. All this does is save them about $10-$12 million in 2019 offseason. Thats not that big of a deal. Knicks would certainly have to offer a future first and probably a couple of seconds to move up in that scenario. This is not worth it. Just stay the course and pick the BPA.
The idea isnt to dump Parsons for cap space. They want players who can contribute. Theyre locked into Conley and Gasol with few assets/picks and want to win now. Its stupid but its what their reported plan is
Lee is not worse than Parsons. Lee would start for Memphis and Parsons can't stay on the floor.
Hes got such 2 way potential. Bombas Frame scares me, their arent a lot of guys that have succeeded with that frame.
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(Via Athletic, Ringer).
This makes sense. I thought for some odd reason they'd let him play. That would not have been justifiable.
According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Spurs "are willing listeners on Kawhi Leonard trade proposals."
We still don't much about how the meeting between coach Gregg Popovich and Leonard went, but this could be an indication that the two-way superstar still wants to move on. Wojnarowski adds that the Spurs "haven't been proactive in chasing down offers," but they are doing their due diligence in case the right offer comes along. Even though the Lakers are reportedly his preferred destination, they haven't had any dialogue with the Spurs yet.
This makes sense. I thought for some odd reason they'd let him play. That would not have been justifiable.
culture preserved!
She looked like his girlfriend more than his mom
Where do you see that? The most recent Lowe podcast I see was the one with Windhorst and Rachel Nichols, did you mean that one and not Woj?
Windhorst has mentioned 51% to LA, 40% Cleveland, 9% Philly.
He has a different personality, introverted and shy... and bailed on Western Kentucy, when something happened with his relative, UNC's Shammond Williams and their coaching staff... he left and it caused M.Robinson to leave as well. Odd, but part of intrigue with this pick.
Personally, he's a small gamble on getting a Cappella type at the 4/5.
They've got Lonzo!
He has a different personality, introverted and shy... and bailed on Western Kentucy, when something happened with his relative, UNC's Shammond Williams and their coaching staff... he left and it caused M.Robinson to leave as well. Odd, but part of intrigue with this pick.
Personally, he's a small gamble on getting a Cappella type at the 4/5.
I watched his interview (Robinson's) and he came off as really quiet and shy. I hope they can coach him up. I felt kind of bat for the kid how awkward he seemed but I guess I'm just used to the hyper polished kids we now see in sports.
after the ibterview rob pelinka did i really hope the lakers strike out...
I'm not sure what Lonzo is worth at this point. I can't see a team giving up anything that could become a lotto pick. So a good teams first rounder?
I'm not sure what Lonzo is worth at this point. I can't see a team giving up anything that could become a lotto pick. So a good teams first rounder?
i am sure lebron will trade him if he signs in la, he is not going to deal with lavar
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Where do you see that? The most recent Lowe podcast I see was the one with Windhorst and Rachel Nichols, did you mean that one and not Woj?
Windhorst has mentioned 51% to LA, 40% Cleveland, 9% Philly.
Mike, my bad. I meant Windhorst, not Woj.