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Pete44 : 6/20/2018 9:29 am
Here is the news of the day:

1) Hawks eying Docnic with the #3 pick

2) Mavs/Grizzlies talking trade for #4 pick, as only player to meet with the Grizzlies has been Wendell Carter Jr

3) Kevin Knox and Kentucky PG rising

4) Nets to acquire Dwight Howard for Mozgov to create 2 max salary slots in 2019. Dwight Howard finally comes to New Jersey

5) Leonard met with Pop last night in LA to try to salvage things, but Leonard still livid at Tony Parker and Pop

6) Knicks playing in London next season as Knicks beat writers have not written anything of value regarding the draft. In my opinion, I think the Knicks are going to take Kevin Knox unless Porter or Carter drops.
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begely has written about every single workout  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 9:34 am : link
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RE: begely has written about every single workout  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13994992 nygiants16 said:
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I'm talking more about the newspaper writers. Begley has been ok.
More importantly,  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 9:37 am : link
who gives a shit?
Question for those who know better...  
Chris684 : 6/20/2018 9:45 am : link
As a casual NBA/Knicks fan I'm wondering.

Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.

Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?

Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?
Are the rumors about Memphis  
Keith : 6/20/2018 9:48 am : link
trying to unload Parsons and the #4 true?

Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?
RE: Are the rumors about Memphis  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13995013 Keith said:
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trying to unload Parsons and the #4 true?

Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?


no idea, the questiom has tk be who is memphis target?

is it somekne in that 8 to 10 range?
RE: Question for those who know better...  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13995009 Chris684 said:
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As a casual NBA/Knicks fan I'm wondering.

Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.

Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?

Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?


Very unlikely Bamba falls to 9.

Knox- Franchise changing player? Also unlikely. He's young and raw but definitely has upside. He also has a ton of holes in his game and not many players become franchise changing.

That's the million dollar question on Porter. Tantalizing talent but having a bad back that young is incredibly worrisome. I personally think he could be the best player in the draft and is worth the injury risk. He's a tremendous talent. He also comes across as an asshole in interviews and seems to have some character issues.
huge nets trade for the future  
hitdog42 : 6/20/2018 9:53 am : link
trade moz, 2 2nd rounders for D12.
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.

charlotte gets under the lux tax
what do the Nets need 2 max slots for?  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 9:54 am : link
They've got CULTURE!
RE: huge nets trade for the future  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13995020 hitdog42 said:
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trade moz, 2 2nd rounders for D12.
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.

charlotte gets under the lux tax


It is a good trade, even if they can't get free agents, cap space is valuable and allows teams to make trades like the Parsons/4th pick from Memphis.
For two seconds?  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 10:00 am : link
I’ll give 3. Whose taking Noah?
RE: what do the Nets need 2 max slots for?  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 13995022 Greg from LI said:
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They've got CULTURE!

Are you a Knicks fan?
RE: RE: Question for those who know better...  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13995018 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13995009 Chris684 said:


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As a casual NBA/Knicks fan I'm wondering.

Any chance Bamba is realistic at 9? Seems like no way.

Does Knox from UK have the potential to become a franchise changing player?

Is Porter Jr. damaged goods? Or a steal at 9?



Very unlikely Bamba falls to 9.

Knox- Franchise changing player? Also unlikely. He's young and raw but definitely has upside. He also has a ton of holes in his game and not many players become franchise changing.

That's the million dollar question on Porter. Tantalizing talent but having a bad back that young is incredibly worrisome. I personally think he could be the best player in the draft and is worth the injury risk. He's a tremendous talent. He also comes across as an asshole in interviews and seems to have some character issues.


with knox you just dont know, there is stuff he showed in jigh school that he didnt do in college...

his handle looked alot better in high school, his defense was very good, was known as a hustle and rebounder in high school...

with kentucky guys you just never know
RE: what do the Nets need 2 max slots for?  
hitdog42 : 6/20/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13995022 Greg from LI said:
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They've got CULTURE!


correct they do, and its recognized by the league and will be rewarded as the boston trade debacle moves to rear view mirror in the next 2-3 years
RE: RE: what do the Nets need 2 max slots for?  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 13995039 Jay on the Island said:
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Are you a Knicks fan?


Of course
RE: Are the rumors about Memphis  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13995013 Keith said:
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trying to unload Parsons and the #4 true?

Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?


If Doncic is available its a no brainer to me. If he goes in the top 3, it becomes a tougher situation but I am most likely doing it. Getting a Jackson/Bomba/ Porter type talent for taking on an extra 12 million for 2019-2020 is a good move.

The summer of 2020 also seems like a more realistic time to go after big FAs. Hopefully they will be a playoff team by then with a fully healthy in his prime KP. Noah will be off the books and hopefully Hardaway. I still have no idea why they gave him a 19 million player option- totally unnecessary.
CBS mocked this draft last week with Bamba...  
Mike in St. Louis : 6/20/2018 10:09 am : link
falling to the Knicks at #9...

unrealistic as I don't see Bridges or Sexton going before Bamba...
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RE: RE: RE: Question for those who know better...  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13995040 nygiants16 said:
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with kentucky guys you just never know


I agree. It's hard to gauge Kentucky players sometimes. They always have a boatload of 5 star freshmen that don't always mesh. I think Knox definitely has the potential to exceed what people are projecting for him.
RE: huge nets trade for the future  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13995020 hitdog42 said:
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trade moz, 2 2nd rounders for D12.
D12 comes off after this year.
gives 2 max slots.
very smart trade as the moz contract sucked being that it was 2 more years.

charlotte gets under the lux tax


Great trade for BKN and awful for CHA. Makes no sense for them. They got a worse player on a longer contract and worse contract. Just to pick up 2nd round picks and duck the tax? They had to be another way to get under the tax.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Question for those who know better...  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13995055 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13995040 nygiants16 said:


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with kentucky guys you just never know



I agree. It's hard to gauge Kentucky players sometimes. They always have a boatload of 5 star freshmen that don't always mesh. I think Knox definitely has the potential to exceed what people are projecting for him.


the more i read about him and watxh of him i want him..

he could be a deadly small ball 4 in the nba...
Porter would scare the hell out of me if I were picking high  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 10:14 am : link
The talent is legit, but there are some major red flags. If he were healthy I think he would have been an easy favorite for top pick but, man, back injuries are frightening for an athlete.
Knox  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 10:15 am : link
Seth Greenberg raved about Knox last night on an ESPN show, saying he could go higher as teams view him perfect for the modern game at the 4 as he can do everything offensively. Also, due to his length and agility, think he will be ok defensively.

That being said, if Knox goes higher perhaps another guy falls.
CHA BKN trade  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 10:17 am : link
I wonder if the Knicks pursued this using Noah instead of Mozgov? Same length of contract but a few million more. Maybe if they played their cards right they could have used Willy and 2nd round picks to get it done. Seems like a huge missed opportunity to get off the Noah deal.

Great trade for the Nets. Marks/ Atkinson is a good combo. They've made some impressive moves- something I've yet to see from Perry/ Mills.
RE: CHA BKN trade  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13995069 TyreeHelmet said:
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I wonder if the Knicks pursued this using Noah instead of Mozgov? Same length of contract but a few million more. Maybe if they played their cards right they could have used Willy and 2nd round picks to get it done. Seems like a huge missed opportunity to get off the Noah deal.

Great trade for the Nets. Marks/ Atkinson is a good combo. They've made some impressive moves- something I've yet to see from Perry/ Mills.


what impressive moves have they made?

they trade for allen crabbe who has 1 of the worst contracts in the league...

traded a 1st round pick for deangelo russell..

what i will give them credit for  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:25 am : link
is stabalizing the organization after billy king and hiring atkinson..

Perry/Mills  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 10:26 am : link
The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.

The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.

I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.
I love Knox for the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2018 10:35 am : link
He's relatively high risk in my opinion. Reminds me of Anthony Randolph in that way. Randolph didn't seem to have the intelligence or desire to put it all together. Knox has questions about his desire but assuming the Knicks believe that that's nonsense, I'd be really excited about the pick.

He's got a lot of tools but hasn't quite put it all together yet. Has areas that he needs to improve like his ball-handling, needs to add muscle (especially to his core and lower body), and has to improve his shot creation. Doesn't really have too many offensive moves to speak of which hopefully can come with time.

I think his upside is a poor man's Kevin Durant which is a great risk/reward proposition for a team in the Knicks position or any team for that matter with the 9th pick. Of course, in typical Knicks fashion he'll probably go 8 and become an all star in a few years
knox is also the youngest player in this draft  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:39 am : link
he is going to fill out more especially if he becomes a full time 4...
WHy would knicks  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 10:42 am : link
Not make this trade with Noah. This is why knicks management sucks. Swap Noah for D Howard and that would have been the perfect trade for Knicks.
RE: Perry/Mills  
Sean : 6/20/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13995088 Pete44 said:
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The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.

The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.

I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.


Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesn’t that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since he’s another <20 PG.
RE: what i will give them credit for  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13995084 nygiants16 said:
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is stabalizing the organization after billy king and hiring atkinson..


Getting Russell/Allen/ RHJ/ Lavert/ Dinwiddie without owning any of your own 1st round picks is pretty impressive in my opinion. They were dealt a terrible hand and have gotten really creative in improving the roster.

What has Perry done thats been a positive for the Knicks? I know its only been 1 year but Trey Burke is his only good move. I won't even get in to Mills' record.
RE: Are the rumors about Memphis  
adamg : 6/20/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13995013 Keith said:
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trying to unload Parsons and the #4 true?

Can Lee, Thomas and the #9 get you the #4 and Parsons? If so, would you guys do that?


I would. Give me Bamba baby. Best fit pick next to KP. That'd be a fun duo.
RE: RE: Perry/Mills  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13995107 Sean said:
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In comment 13995088 Pete44 said:


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The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.

The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.

I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.



Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesn’t that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since he’s another <20 PG.


I'm not worried about a logjam myself. Frank is the only pg under contract after next season and in today's game you can play Frank alongside another lead ball handler (assuming Frank's best position is point guard long term which isn't a given). I'm not a fan of Sexton's fit next to Frank since neither are very good shooters but Young would make sense. Frank could help to mask some of his defensive shortcomings and Young would help to stretch the floor and take some pressure off Frank as a primary ball handler. It worked with Frank and Burke last year and Young is already better than Burke imo
For me  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 10:49 am : link
It’s Sexton or trade down at this point. If not a good trade down opportunity and Sexton is gone then I guess a slight lean toward Knox over Mikhail Bridges. I do not think Bamba drops and candidly I am not a big fan of his especially playing with Porzingis they cannot play on the court at the same time in today’s nba. I would pick Sexton even if Bamba was there. Just my preference I know there are some Bamba crushes on here. I know a lot are calling Zhaire Smith the next Mitchell, but I have not seen much of him live so I don’t really have an opinion, anyone have any thoughts on him. Not a big fan of Lonnie Walker reminds me of Shump too much.
Knox scares me  
RAIN : 6/20/2018 10:49 am : link
The lack of a motor specifically. I like his game, but I see him as a 3. Not instinctive. I wouldn’t hate the pick however.

Porter Jr, if his back checks out, which is a big if, also has entitilement issues that scare me. The talent is off the charts, everything else is off putting.

That said, I’m a fan of both Guards as fits next to Frank. I love Sexton.

If we get out of this draft with Sexton, Young, or Carter Jr. ( as a perfect fit next to Porz)... I’m happy. Knox I need some convincing on the attitude /motor.
RE: RE: what i will give them credit for  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13995108 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13995084 nygiants16 said:


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is stabalizing the organization after billy king and hiring atkinson..




Getting Russell/Allen/ RHJ/ Lavert/ Dinwiddie without owning any of your own 1st round picks is pretty impressive in my opinion. They were dealt a terrible hand and have gotten really creative in improving the roster.

What has Perry done thats been a positive for the Knicks? I know its only been 1 year but Trey Burke is his only good move. I won't even get in to Mills' record.


they gave up a 1st round pick and took on a bad contract to get russell..

i like allen very good late first pick...

dknwiddle, rhj, and lavert all solid role players...

i would not call any of those koves impressive...

yes right now the best kove for perry is taking a chance on burke...

id also say getting that 2nd from okc was a good move and if kanter opts out you saved a ton on melos deal when evwryone thought the best knicks were going to do was harkless...

mudiay move has veen a bust but you gave up nothing
RE: RE: Perry/Mills  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13995107 Sean said:
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In comment 13995088 Pete44 said:


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The best thing so far I can say about Mills/Perry is that they have not made any bad moves. The Melo trade worked out ok, especially if they make a good pick at #36.

The coach and the draft will take some time to judge.

I'd like to see something creative out of these guys though, but they strike me as conservative, which is not a bad thing after all the bad moves the Knicks have made since the Ewing trade.



Do you love the Hardaway signing? If NYK goes PG again, doesn’t that create a massive logjam & what does that say about Frank? Sexton concerns me since he’s another <20 PG.


The Hardaway signing was all Mills to get the job and prove he can attract free agents. Perry came in later.
What do folks think about Lonnie Walker for the Knicks?  
Strahan91 : 6/20/2018 10:53 am : link
Admittedly, I didn't watch much of Miami this year but have been intrigued with what I've heard/read during this process. Seems similar to Knox in that they have all the tools but need to be more consistent and are very raw as prospects right now.
Perry's best move  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 10:54 am : link
Perry's best move was talking Mills out of taking Ryan Anderson back for Melo.
RE: What do folks think about Lonnie Walker for the Knicks?  
adamg : 6/20/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13995126 Strahan91 said:
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Admittedly, I didn't watch much of Miami this year but have been intrigued with what I've heard/read during this process. Seems similar to Knox in that they have all the tools but need to be more consistent and are very raw as prospects right now.
inconsistency seems to be a big thing for him. He's very hot and cold.
I would rather have Knox  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 10:57 am : link
Not Lonnie. Spend a good amount of time in South Fl. And watch a lot of games. People here are looking for “Chance for a Star”. Not sure Lonnie would fit that bill.
Let's try to figure this out  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 11:03 am : link
1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox

In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.

I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.

Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.
RE: Let's try to figure this out  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13995142 Pete44 said:
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1) Suns - Ayton
2) Kings - Bagley
3) Hawks - Docnic
4) Grizzlies - Jackson Jr
5) Mavs - Bamba
6) Magic - Porter Jr
7) Bulls - Carter Jr
8) Cavs - Kentucky PG
9) Knicks - Knox

In this scenario - Sexton, Young and Bridges fall.

I think the Magic are the wildcard because they could use
a PG. I just don't see Porter Jr falling past the Cavs,w which shows how dumb winning those games at the end of the season was.

Carter Jr is another guy I would love, but he fits exactly what the Bulls want and could go #4 to the Grizz, since he worked out there.


my guess is if doncic is gone that memphis either trades pick or goes porter..

mavs i thibk go bamba

orlando young

chicago carter

cavs i think end up trading their pick for kemba, charlotte takes sga

Knox  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 11:10 am : link
I disagree with people saying he can do everything offensively. I watched a good amount of UK last year. He's definitely a skilled offensive player, but he didn't shoot 3s and wasn't an explosive finisher. Also leaves a lot to be desired rebounding and defensively.

I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.
Great trade for Nets  
davek3698 : 6/20/2018 11:11 am : link
"Howard had his best season in years, averaging 16.6 points and 12.5 rebounds —fourth best in the NBA— while missing only one game."
Against most on the board  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 11:13 am : link
But Sexton or Young to me are the better players if it falls like that. People forget Young is a great passer.
RE: Knox  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13995152 TyreeHelmet said:
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He's definitely a skilled offensive player, but he didn't shoot 3s


Ummmm, he shot 58 more threes than any other Kentucky player, although he was only OK at making them - 57-167, 34.1%
RE: Knox  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13995152 TyreeHelmet said:
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I disagree with people saying he can do everything offensively. I watched a good amount of UK last year. He's definitely a skilled offensive player, but he didn't shoot 3s and wasn't an explosive finisher. Also leaves a lot to be desired rebounding and defensively.

I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.


Tyree - I saw the same, but they say he has added 3 point shooting since the end of the college season.
RE: Knox  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13995152 TyreeHelmet said:
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I disagree with people saying he can do everything offensively. I watched a good amount of UK last year. He's definitely a skilled offensive player, but he didn't shoot 3s and wasn't an explosive finisher. Also leaves a lot to be desired rebounding and defensively.

I understand he's the third youngest guy in the draft and obviously not a finished product but theres some red flags.


you need to watxh aome of his high school, he was a xompletwly different player..

coming out of high school he was known as a hustle rebounder and defensive player..

at kentucky he played the 3...

he made 1.5 3s per game and shot 36 percent, not awesome not horrible either...

in the nba he will have a lot more spacing as he will most likely play the 4, he can run off screens...

his biggest weakness is his dribble, he is not going to be a point forward...

Kentucky Players  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 11:21 am : link
This era of Kentucky basketball is like the Dean Smith era of North Carolina basketball, very hard to project players based on their college performance.

There was an old saying, Dean Smith was the only person that could contain Michael Jordan.

Calipari is similar, remember Karl Anthony Towns.
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