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Pete44 : 6/20/2018 9:29 am
Here is the news of the day:

1) Hawks eying Docnic with the #3 pick

2) Mavs/Grizzlies talking trade for #4 pick, as only player to meet with the Grizzlies has been Wendell Carter Jr

3) Kevin Knox and Kentucky PG rising

4) Nets to acquire Dwight Howard for Mozgov to create 2 max salary slots in 2019. Dwight Howard finally comes to New Jersey

5) Leonard met with Pop last night in LA to try to salvage things, but Leonard still livid at Tony Parker and Pop

6) Knicks playing in London next season as Knicks beat writers have not written anything of value regarding the draft. In my opinion, I think the Knicks are going to take Kevin Knox unless Porter or Carter drops.
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Berman  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2018 3:21 pm : link
now reporting Knicks leaning Mikal Bridges
RE: Berman  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13995467 DanMetroMan said:
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now reporting Knicks leaning Mikal Bridges


smokescreen to get philly to move up?
RE: Berman  
Pete44 : 6/20/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13995467 DanMetroMan said:
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now reporting Knicks leaning Mikal Bridges


I had thought Bridges and the Knicks were a marriage after the lottery, but my hope is that they are doing this to force the Sixers to give them an asset to move from #10 to #9 to get him.
RE: RE: Berman  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13995472 nygiants16 said:
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now reporting Knicks leaning Mikal Bridges



smokescreen to get philly to move up?


All depends on how they view who’s available, but what about 10 and 26 to move up to 9? I’d do that trade.
Not saying at all he's done a bad job  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 3:32 pm : link
I'm saying I don't agree with the exact direction. I think the best path for the Nets is doing what the Sixers did. They are betting on culture over trying to get the highest possible pick which directly correlates to probability of landing star players. If next year is a bad draft that's even worse - you want to be higher in draft picks (see the Ben Simmons draft). And you cant even say that until you see the players actually play next season, there are always breakout stars that aren't top recruits.

Signing guys like Jeremy Lin to long term deals isn't helping you move toward contention. He will win a you a handful of games here and there , which we saw this year can impact your draft pick by as many as 5-7 slots. These "culture" guys aren't filling up seats at Barclays center - what are they really doing?

Again the Nets were the perfect candidate to follow the Hinkie model but they are still concerned with signing guys that keep them in mediocrity.
brendan brown says memphis has a deal lined up for 4  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 4:00 pm : link
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RE: RE: Sounds  
djm : 6/20/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13995331 Pete44 said:
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like the Knicks told a few kids they were looking into moving up when they met with them.



Reports are that Porter and Young are falling and the Knicks are very interested in Porter. I wish we had a better medical staff, would make the risk of taking Porter more palpable, but I would not fault them.


The Knicks don’t have a terrific medical staff??
If Ayton, Bagley and Doncic are the top three picks (in some order)  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 4:05 pm : link
trading up to four wouldn't thrill me too much.

Hubie (Brendan's dad) coached in Memphis, so I'd imagine that info is legit.
Bridges is what I said awhile ago  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 4:16 pm : link
Chalk. Exactly what was said time and time again. (Just like Frank last year). You knew the name before it was said. The Knicks just give us no excitement. (KP was the only wildcard)
RE: Bridges is what I said awhile ago  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13995528 Carl in CT said:
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Chalk. Exactly what was said time and time again. (Just like Frank last year). You knew the name before it was said. The Knicks just give us no excitement. (KP was the only wildcard)


huh? everyone is saying something different how is this an expected move?

frank was not a risk last year? are you kidding me
16  
Carl in CT : 6/20/2018 4:24 pm : link
Everyone knew that Frank was the selection months before it came. Same thing this year, Bridges was pegged in the 9th spot when the first mocks came out. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing about risk just nothing outside the box.
RE: 16  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13995534 Carl in CT said:
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Everyone knew that Frank was the selection months before it came. Same thing this year, Bridges was pegged in the 9th spot when the first mocks came out. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing about risk just nothing outside the box.


how has bridges been pegged? for a long time it was sexton or young...

then it was porter and trying to trade up...

then it was knox...

how has it always been bridges?
maybe knicks do have a deal to move up?  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 5:04 pm : link
met with bamba today in new york according to begely
Get  
DanMetroMan : 6/20/2018 5:13 pm : link
me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.
I don’t see a need trade up unless  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 5:18 pm : link
It’s in the top 3. Just stay at 9 and pick Sexton or trade down if he is not there. Was just in Cleveland for the past 2 days. Hate to be this guy, but heard from some connected people that Lebron’s family does not want to leave. Cavs need to make something happen and he will stay.

If the Porter JR thing is true and he is going to fall would love to get 12 and 13 from Clips with the hope of Porter JR with one of those picks. Would probably cost 9, 36, Mudiay and maybe a future 2nd?
RE: Get  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13995560 DanMetroMan said:
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me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.


Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think I’d do it to get Doncic.
Frank  
Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 5:19 pm : link
is part of the solution, not the problem. I'd give him for Doncic or Ayton, but that's it.
RE: RE: Get  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13995563 TyreeHelmet said:
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me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.



Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think I’d do it to get Doncic.


if it means keeping 9 yes, but if i am taking parsons im not dealing both
RE: RE: Get  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13995563 TyreeHelmet said:
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me Bamba. He's been #3 on my wishlist after Ayton/Doncic for months now.



Would you include Frank to move into the top 4? I think I’d do it to get Doncic.


For taking on parsons, no but if just to move up yeah.
Personally  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:24 pm : link
the best trade up option for me is swapping 9 for 4 and taking on Parsons (and unloading Lee or thomas in the process). I'd strongly do that before trading Frank.
Jon Givony  
Big Rick in FL : 6/20/2018 5:26 pm : link
From Draftexpress says the Knicks have shown interest in trading up to 4. Hopefully they can get Doncic, but I doubt it.
I like the idea of a Frank/Doncic  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:29 pm : link
thats some serious size, Frank can cover the point of attach on defense and Doncic may not be great laterally but being 6
8" will allow how to give some guys issues. Offensively he can run the offense.
Bamba AND Porzingis?  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 5:31 pm : link
That's a lot of size for a league that's getting smaller and smaller.
RE: Personally  
rich in DC : 6/20/2018 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13995570 giantsfan44ab said:
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the best trade up option for me is swapping 9 for 4 and taking on Parsons (and unloading Lee or thomas in the process). I'd strongly do that before trading Frank.


It appears that the Grizz are looking for building blocks for 4- or salary relief. The Knicks COULD do it, but it MIGHT cause problems for the 2019 plan.

If the Knicks make the salary relief offer, it would be Kanter for the #4 and Parsons. However, that would add about $23M in salary in 2019 for Parsons, basically eliminating all hope of getting cap space for two guys. On the other hand, it would all but force the Knicks to keep and play Noah, who MIGHT be able to rebuild some trade value (though it is very doubtful that would happen).

If the Knicks go the building block route, they could offer Hardaway and some younger low salary guys for Parsons and the #4, but then the Knicks lose two rotation guys for only 1 guy. Of course, if tanking is the goal this year, then you do it.
RE: Bamba AND Porzingis?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13995577 bceagle05 said:
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That's a lot of size for a league that's getting smaller and smaller.


I stand by this being an extremely false assumption that gets beat to death. The league is going for more skilled players on the floor, and it happens to be the absolute best teams have smaller guys at the 5. Even that's exaggerated. Draymond has a 7'5" wingspan and is the strongest player in the league. I wouldn't even say he's small.

Even if you want to say he is small, look at the rest of the Warriors lineup. Klay is a 6'8" 2 guard. KD is 7'. Even before KD, Barnes is 6'8-6'9.

Capella is a traditonal center that can switch and defend the rim. He was pivotal in the GS series and kept them in many games on both ends. I can easily see Bamba in that role, he can defend the rim and switch.

Are the Sixers going small? 4 of their 5 starters are 6'9" or taller.

The C's when Hayward returns? 4 of their 5 starters will be 6'8" or taller.

For Doncic, I'd do it.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2018 5:46 pm : link
I don't think Frank (whatever he becomes) is going to keep KP in NY. I think Luka can.
I absolutely would not  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 5:50 pm : link
Trade #9 and Frank for the 4th pick. Knicks need multiple young players and neither Ayton or Doncic are worth 2 young talented players. Frank and whoever they get at #9 is better then any one player in this draft by themselves. I don’t see the need to trade up to #4 and take on Parsons terrible salary. He has 3 years left I believe on his contract I guess if they take Noah and lee back and then you stretch Parsons the following year. You can probably still fit a max in 2019.
Guys KP  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2018 5:52 pm : link
Is not going anywhere that’s relax with that. He is not leaving the Knicks own. Some of you guys are hilarious.
If KP is locked in at the four spot  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 5:52 pm : link
than Bamba is a much better complement than Kanter, that's for sure. So I guess it can work. It would certainly free up KP to go get 30 points every night.
so we got  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 5:55 pm : link
prospects saying knicms told them they were trying to trade up...

brendan brown saying memphis has a deal lined up...

begely saykng knicks met with bamba...

givony saying knicks have talked with memphis about a deal...

seems like a lot of smoke
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 5:57 pm : link
Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.
At 4  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:57 pm : link
the chances of landing a star increase significantly. If its just taking on Parsons deal I'd absolutely do it.
RE: I absolutely would not  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/20/2018 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13995590 GMEN46 said:
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Frank and whoever they get at #9 is better then any one player in this draft by themselves.


Pure conjecture.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.


I'd consider throwing in Burke if thats what it took to get it done.
Yeah, sure does.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 5:59 pm : link
Something about Knicks and draft day trades gives me a shiver down my spine, but we'll see. KP, Bamba and Frank is a whole lot of wingspan.
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13995599 giantsfan44ab said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



I'd consider throwing in Burke if thats what it took to get it done.


I would as well. I have to say though, Bamba is not the guy I'd move up for.
I agree. I think Bamba is a safe pick  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:03 pm : link
Rudy Gobert-esque but Gobert can't be the 2nd best player on your team if the goal is to get to the finals. And you couldn't find a bigger Gobert lover than me lol. I can see the star level ceiling with Ayton or Doncic.
RE: Personally  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13995570 giantsfan44ab said:
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the best trade up option for me is swapping 9 for 4 and taking on Parsons (and unloading Lee or thomas in the process). I'd strongly do that before trading Frank.


I really hope they get this done. I'd do this in a heartbeat. I'm not letting a 2019 pipedream prevent this. The only target I see having any realistic shot at is Kyrie. And I just don't really see top players being eager to sign up with the Knicks after what will be a very bad year.

I think targeting the 2020 and 2021 offseasons is a better strategy. Take on Parsons and get that 4th pick.
Caveat  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:05 pm : link
being if we did not have to give Frank up to get Bamba I'd be onboard. Frank is a dealbreaker for Bamba to me, wing defenders are harder to come by. More or less Frank is the guard version of Bamba
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13995596 Jon in NYC said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.


didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13995607 nygiants16 said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful


No?
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful



No?


you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless
Dream Scenario  
TyreeHelmet : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
Would be to include Hardaway. If they can pull this off without including Frank, obviously KP and no future 1st- you have to be ecstatic as a Knicks fan.

Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13995615 nygiants16 said:
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Lee, Lance, 9 for Parsons, 4.

Who says no? Shreds 12 mil of Cap for the Griz a year from now + improves their team. Knicks fuck themselves for 2019, but have a chance at Luka, who is a gamechanger.



didnt i say this a week ago and you told me it was awful



No?



you said why woukd memphis do this and called lee useless


Lee is useless. He's salary filler.
RE: Dream Scenario  
giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13995616 TyreeHelmet said:
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Would be to include Hardaway. If they can pull this off without including Frank, obviously KP and no future 1st- you have to be ecstatic as a Knicks fan.

Get it done Perry. I'm sure party boy Parsons is rooting hard for this. BTW he's still a decent player when he can get on the court.


Replacing THJR is a near wash from a talent standpoint, Parsons is older and injury prone but not necessarily a worse player - I think THJR is young enough were tangible improvements in 3 point shooting or passing could make him into a good player. But I think ideally both are coming off the bench on a good team.

And i think it would be a bad trade for Memphis still, not sure what the extra salary would do for them in the long run.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol
next post i said add 9  
nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
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Jon in NYC : 6/20/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13995619 nygiants16 said:
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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol


Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK
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giantsfan44ab : 6/20/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13995619 nygiants16 said:
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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol


Why do we as Knicks fans care if this is a good or bad trade from MEM's perspective lol. I think its a bad trade for them, that's exactly why I would do it.
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nygiants16 : 6/20/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13995621 Jon in NYC said:
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on in NYC : 6/14/2018 8:50 pm : link : reply
In comment 13991443 nygiants16 said:
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lee thomas, mudiay and a future 2nd for parsons and 4...

saves them 11 million after next year...

plus saves them off the 4th round pick..


they aren't going to trade the 4th pick for 3 useless players lol



Hey genius....YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE 9TH PICK


i did the very next post
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