Dellin Betances in June: 9 IP, 1 hit, 0 runs, 3 walks, 18 Ks. He hasn't allowed a run since May 23 and hasn't allowed a run in a one-inning appearance since May 6. Since Cleveland got him for three runs in that May 6 appearance, pushing his ERA to 5.79, it has dropped to 3.09.
Aroldis Chapman has almost double as many strikeouts (55) as hits and walks combined (28).
The Yankees as a staff have a 1.79 ERA in June. Seriously.
Sonny Gray's schizo home/road splits continue: now at 7.22 at home and 2.93 on the road.
In just 50 games, Gleyber Torres has already equaled the home run total of their last star rookie 2B. Robbie Cano had 14 in 132 games in 2005.
Aaron Hicks is red hot. Four homers in his last six games, bumping him up to a respectable .256/.348/.477 on the season.
The Yankees are currently 3 games behind the 1998 Yankees after 70 games - 48-22 vs. 51-19. Of course, after their 70th game the 1998 Yanks went on a 41-11 tear to reach their high-water mark in winning percentage at 92-30 (.754).
And he was acquired for John Ryan Murphy.
What’s most remarkable is it still feels as if the offense hasn’t been its best yet...different guys have gotten hot for different stretches, but Sanchez, Stanton, and Bird are still having their ups and downs. Stanton’s had 2 good games at the plate this week, but he still hasn’t hit righties much yet.
And yet, Yanks still lead MLB in HRs, slugging and OPS, and are near the top in most offensive categories, despite still being a few games played behind most other teams.
Yanks are also now 3rd in MLB in team ERA at 3.39, behind only Astros and Cubs.
Most amazing about last night - Andujar and Torres crushing the 2 biggest bombs of them all. Both of their HRs were just mashed.
I still think the Yanks look to trade for a starter, but German and hopefully Loaisiga continue to ease the pressure to do so. I’m confident in Cash on the trade market
Fan logic always blows my mind. Good stuff.
It’s hardly the dumbest thing I’ve heard on the fan this week. I think Betances is the type of player that will continue to have low valleys and high peaks. In that sense, trading him at a peak would be wise.
However, I don’t want him to be traded — the yanks are in “go for it” mode, and I think his value to them now is significantly greater than whatever they’d bring back in a trade.
If, in some highly unlikely scenario, including Betances in a trade for a high-end SP allowed them to hold on to one of Andujar/Frazier, id consider it. But given how close he is to getting paid, I doubt a trading partner would value DB as high as those two.
I remember one of the color guys pointed out that some of the best pitchers in history often had rocky first inning.
I'll gladly take that!!!!
March/April: .230/.313/.425, 5 homers
May: .264/.330/.516, 6 homers
June: .273/.338/.576, 6 homers
That's only if the concern is what Sanchez's overall numbers are by end of the season. None of that matters as everything he has done thus far is in the past and baked into the 48-22 Yankees cake. All that matters is Sanchez's slash line going forward.
vs RHP: .295/.395/.604
vs LHP: .221/.391/.412
This made me curious, so I looked and, yep, it was there last year too: .298/.417/.662 vs .230/.439/.496.
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I didn't think he could bounce back mentally after last year's collapse. I am very happy to be completely wrong about that one. He looks as good as he ever has.
I can understand that - there's logic there.
But, as we all know, teams often go as far as their bullpens will take them in October these days. And when you have World Series aspirations, you most certainly do not deal away an elite SU man.
Betances is a guy you trade if you're a team that isn't touching the postseason because the return will help you get back there quicker. For anyone to want NYY to trade Betances now is lunacy.
Yea when I mentioned it about the off season I didn't mean its what I was advocating for, just thought thats where it was heading due to him being a FA after this season and it being time for a change of scenery while we could get something for him. Now the thought of dealing him borders on pure derangement. The last 5 or 6 times he's come in he has been literally un-hittable. Warren has looked pretty good too since he came back. If Khanle gets it together this will be insane when you factor in Holder too.
March/April: .230/.313/.425, 5 homers
May: .264/.330/.516, 6 homers
June: .273/.338/.576, 6 homers
Stanton's issue continues to be right-handed pitching where his wRC+ is 85 compared with 217 against lefties. Luckily, his June splits show him potentially heating up.
vs. RHPs
April: 75
May: 58
June: 137
His other issue is hard heat. I think I read somewhere that he's never hit a home run on a ball faster than something like 95 or 97 mph
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The FAN is always a good listen - some idiot called yesterday and said now is a good time to deal Betances since they'd be trading him at his peak.
Fan logic always blows my mind. Good stuff.
It’s hardly the dumbest thing I’ve heard on the fan this week. I think Betances is the type of player that will continue to have low valleys and high peaks. In that sense, trading him at a peak would be wise.
However, I don’t want him to be traded — the yanks are in “go for it” mode, and I think his value to them now is significantly greater than whatever they’d bring back in a trade.
If, in some highly unlikely scenario, including Betances in a trade for a high-end SP allowed them to hold on to one of Andujar/Frazier, id consider it. But given how close he is to getting paid, I doubt a trading partner would value DB as high as those two.
Haha, no you're right - there have been dumber things (a guy was trying to convince Mike that if a team is 50-40, they are 5 games over .500... not 10. Really, he was arguing this)
But even if Betances reverts to the mean (obviously this stretch of utter dominance shouldn't be expected over the next 4+ months, he's still going to be a key piece.
I say this all the time - you can never have enough quality relievers right now. This is such a bullpen game now, and that's even more true in October.
Sure, there are enough options back there where you could probably deal Betances and still get most of the outs you need - but I wouldn't.
Look at it this way, most teams who are looking to acquire RP's like Betances are in the postseason race. So, the Yankees would have to deal him to an NL team trying to contend this year How likely would that team be to give the Yankees something that could help them now?
vs RHP: .295/.395/.604
vs LHP: .221/.391/.412
This made me curious, so I looked and, yep, it was there last year too: .298/.417/.662 vs .230/.439/.496.
Very odd numbers. I would like to hear the conversation when they break down film to see where the issues lie. Perhaps the lefties getting pitches in on his hands more often. Don't pretend to know but it seems like there should be eyes that can help with adjustments. This coming from a layman.
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to think Sanchez is going to turn his season around. He is going to have the all-time worst BABIP in what is a bad-luck season for him in many respects.
That's only if the concern is what Sanchez's overall numbers are by end of the season. None of that matters as everything he has done thus far is in the past and baked into the 48-22 Yankees cake. All that matters is Sanchez's slash line going forward.
Yea the BABIP really came into play last night. He almost knocked 2 fielders down with line drives (his one to Span in left had the highest exit velo in MLB of the season) Then a 3rd AB he worked the count full while smoking about 4 foul balls before finally striking out. That's a real misleading 0 for 4.
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Then after some early season performances like that 8th inning meltdown in Toronto where Pillar stole 3 bases in a row I though his high leverage days for the Yanks were done. Unbelievable how he has risen to be a legit lights out 8th inning guy again. Got to give the guy a lot of credit.
I'm kinda of wondering, with his yoo-yoo performance, is now a good time to consider using him as trade bait (while his value is on the high side)?
He's a FA after the season, that limits his value ceiling to contenders and why the hell would we give him to a contender when we may face them in the playoffs? Not to mention we are in a position to take advantage of his resurgence by using him, and if he reverts back to his shakiness we have guys the can fill in his current role.
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Then after some early season performances like that 8th inning meltdown in Toronto where Pillar stole 3 bases in a row I though his high leverage days for the Yanks were done. Unbelievable how he has risen to be a legit lights out 8th inning guy again. Got to give the guy a lot of credit.
I'm kinda of wondering, with his yoo-yoo performance, is now a good time to consider using him as trade bait (while his value is on the high side)?
Like I said above, it doesn't make sense because you have to think about where you'd trade him...
Teams who aren't contending this year aren't looking to acquire RP's who are impending FA's.
And the Yankees aren't dealing him to an AL team that is trying to contend this year
Which means, your only options are teams in the NL with postseason aspirations - and why would any of those teams want to part with a player helping them right now?
in that regard - and more "fun with numbers" - check this out from RAB:
"Poor Gary Sanchez. The dude is mired in a long slump and he hit a 121.1 mph — 121.1 mph! — line drive right at Denard Span for an out in the fourth inning. Hardest hit ball in baseball this season by more than a full mile-an-hour. Also tied with Aaron Judge’s 495-foot homer last season for the hardest hit non-grounder since Statcast became a thing in 2015. Tough out. Keep hitting them like that Gary and good things will happen."
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Then after some early season performances like that 8th inning meltdown in Toronto where Pillar stole 3 bases in a row I though his high leverage days for the Yanks were done. Unbelievable how he has risen to be a legit lights out 8th inning guy again. Got to give the guy a lot of credit.
I'm kinda of wondering, with his yoo-yoo performance, is now a good time to consider using him as trade bait (while his value is on the high side)?
He's a FA after the season, that limits his value ceiling to contenders and why the hell would we give him to a contender when we may face them in the playoffs? Not to mention we are in a position to take advantage of his resurgence by using him, and if he reverts back to his shakiness we have guys the can fill in his current role.
No, Betances is not eligible for FA until after the 2019 season.
What this probably means is that unless the Yanks want to extend him (unlikely), his peak trade value would be this winter because if he walks in FA, the team could still make a tender offer and get draft pick comp.
Betances likely has BIG off-season trade value because he can close. However, he should be kept for this season because in the post-season, he can go on back to back nights and pitch for an inning or more- which will be HUGE bridging to Chapman.
And, El Gary’s rocket arm has proven a very valuable weapon against the running game.
The Yankees, on the other hand, have gotten subpar performances from two of their expected three best hitters. Bird missed most of the season to date. Didi is outhitting expectations but not by a crazy amount on the whole. Gardner is Gardner. Judge is hitting slightly below his level from last year. The two rooks have surprised, but Torres was expected to be a big star in the making. We have cause to expect them to hit better on the whole than they have even in the course of going 48-22.
The unknown is what the trade deadline brings. But the Yankees are in a position, if they want, to trump any offer that Boston can make. The Sox have mostly emptied out their farm system. Would they put Devers on the table to get a big piece? That may be their only option to get something significant.
4 walks in 24 games in May
3 walks in 15 games in June
Baby steps
And after taking two walks in his first 40 games, he's taken 7 in his next 20. So there are some adjustments being made. It is reasonable to assumed he can be a 5% walk hitter once he gains experience. Cano had a similar walk rate in his rookie season and eventually developed a better eye.
There is something valuable (and fun) about having a "bad ball" hitter like Andujar. And despite being a free swinger, he doesn't strike out all that much
Something to keep in the back of our minds.
The Yanks have managed to line up Adams and Sheffield to start in AAA right around Loaisiga's starts. Assuming that the Yanks continue to start everyone on the turns they currently have, Gray would be scheduled to start Game #1 of the doubleheader on July 9. Normally, you would ask the German to go in Game #2. It would work with the off-day from the previous Friday- as Loisiga would pitch on the 10th and Sevy on the 11th- on normal rest.
However, there is also a second possibility the Yanks MIGHT consider to allow their SP to get an added day of rest before All Star Break.
It has also been noted that the Yanks are currently using only 39 of the 40 man roster spots. I suggest that there is a POSSIBILITY that the Yanks could decide to call up Adams or Sheffield to make the second start on July 9.
The reasoning is that the Yanks would get the 26th spot for the DH- and only need to add one of them to the 40 man roster. There would not need to be any other roster move made- it would be a spot start and then send whomever makes the start back to AAA after the game. In that way, every SP gets an added day of rest- and allows the Yanks to reset their rotation after the break however they want.
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Now he's never going to be a big BB guy, but he's posted 29 (twice), 35 and 39-walk seasons in the minors. That's a marked increase on guys like Starlin Castro, whose career highs are in that ballpark and on an extra 200 or so PAs. If you could get 40-45 BBs a season from him and an OBP in the .330 range (perhaps an OBP .050 above his BA) that'd be a very valuable player.
And after taking two walks in his first 40 games, he's taken 7 in his next 20. So there are some adjustments being made. It is reasonable to assumed he can be a 5% walk hitter once he gains experience. Cano had a similar walk rate in his rookie season and eventually developed a better eye.
There is something valuable (and fun) about having a "bad ball" hitter like Andujar. And despite being a free swinger, he doesn't strike out all that much
Loved that HR last night. He basically picked the ball up out of the dirt and deposited it over the LF fence.
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Now he's never going to be a big BB guy, but he's posted 29 (twice), 35 and 39-walk seasons in the minors. That's a marked increase on guys like Starlin Castro, whose career highs are in that ballpark and on an extra 200 or so PAs. If you could get 40-45 BBs a season from him and an OBP in the .330 range (perhaps an OBP .050 above his BA) that'd be a very valuable player.
And after taking two walks in his first 40 games, he's taken 7 in his next 20. So there are some adjustments being made. It is reasonable to assumed he can be a 5% walk hitter once he gains experience. Cano had a similar walk rate in his rookie season and eventually developed a better eye.
There is something valuable (and fun) about having a "bad ball" hitter like Andujar. And despite being a free swinger, he doesn't strike out all that much
Loved that HR last night. He basically picked the ball up out of the dirt and deposited it over the LF fence.
And 110mph off the bat and 427 feet away! There's something special about that.
Arc, you are a Mets fan right? Are you one of the few Mets fans that doesnt voraciously despise the Yanks?
Im being totally serious. As a yanks fan, I dont really hate thr Mets and was a little surprised that they truly existed on the other side. Lol.
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Yup! I really like him. I understand why it would potentially make sense to include him in a deal since Drury is mashing, but I really hope he stays here for the long-haul. He's one of my favorite guys on the team right now. Super humble kid, easy to root for.
Arc, you are a Mets fan right? Are you one of the few Mets fans that doesnt voraciously despise the Yanks?
Im being totally serious. As a yanks fan, I dont really hate thr Mets and was a little surprised that they truly existed on the other side. Lol.
Haha, if you want a full recap of everything, check the Mets-Rockies thread.
In short: I've come over to the Dark Side.
But even before that, I have never hated the Yankees whatsoever. I know most Mets fans really don't like the Yankees, but I was really never like that.
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to think Sanchez is going to turn his season around. He is going to have the all-time worst BABIP in what is a bad-luck season for him in many respects.
That's only if the concern is what Sanchez's overall numbers are by end of the season. None of that matters as everything he has done thus far is in the past and baked into the 48-22 Yankees cake. All that matters is Sanchez's slash line going forward.
Totally agree. It's about what he does going forward.
Singleton said this in a game last week. He told a story about one of his managers telling a badly slumping player, hey you're not going to hit .300 this year just shoot for hitting .300 from this point forward.
Good advice and Kenny said it worked.
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Yup! I really like him. I understand why it would potentially make sense to include him in a deal since Drury is mashing, but I really hope he stays here for the long-haul. He's one of my favorite guys on the team right now. Super humble kid, easy to root for.
Arc, you are a Mets fan right? Are you one of the few Mets fans that doesnt voraciously despise the Yanks?
Im being totally serious. As a yanks fan, I dont really hate thr Mets and was a little surprised that they truly existed on the other side. Lol.
Haha, if you want a full recap of everything, check the Mets-Rockies thread.
In short: I've come over to the Dark Side.
But even before that, I have never hated the Yankees whatsoever. I know most Mets fans really don't like the Yankees, but I was really never like that.
Funny ypu mention that about the Yanks Mets rivalry...Michael Kay a few weeks ago said he rooted for the Red Sox in the 86 WS and I couldnt believe it. He said that the inter-city rivalry really trumps all....even the Sawks. And I couldnt wrap my head round that.
I really think it's more about the people you have in your life who root for the other team more often than not.
If you root for one team and have family or friends who are constantly rubbing your nose in shit or taunting you - you probably don't want them to be happy, and by extension, you start to dislike the team they root for.
For me, most of my friends who were always NYY fans always just felt bad for me more than anything else.. hah. But they weren't douchebags when the Mets were struggling or taunting me when the Yanks were winning. So, I guess I've just never really had any reasons not to like the Yankees. Them being better than the Mets for the vast majority of the years I rooted for the Mets didn't make me dislike the Yanks, it just made me wish the Mets could figure out a way to find that same level of success in this market .
Gotta give the Yankees credit too for sticking with Betances and more importantly fixing him. Yanks have really done a terrific job with their pitchers over the last.... 100 years, but lately too. Rarely do you see a pitcher underachieve here.
My grandfather likes to joke that he doesn't know what he did to deserve two sons and two grandchildren (me and my sister) who are Yankee fans.
My grandfather likes to joke that he doesn't know what he did to deserve two sons and two grandchildren (me and my sister) who are Yankee fans.
Greg I have to admit I'm guilty as charged as well. Before I transferred to Maryland I spent my freshman year at Northeastern in Boston. That happened to be the fall of '86 and spring '87. I was rooting for the Sox in that series as well (even went to game 5 at Fenway). I would say though if that series happened again today I'd be rooting for the Mets. Back then the Yanks-Sox was a bitter rivalry, but the dynamic was nowhere near where it is today. See at that point we had always gotten the better of them, especially in 77-78. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since then- Pedro head hunting and pushing Zim, Big Sloppy hitting 100 HR's against us, Schilling's bloody sock etc... They've landed enough body shots the past 20 years that I'd never EVER root for them in any series. That having been said I wasn't feverishly rooting for them, I just was annoyed at that point that we hadn't made the playoffs in 5 years. I had started watching in '76 and had only known a championship contender up through '81. Was jealous of seeing the Mets take over NY at that point.
Still didn't want Boston to win, though. It's kind of funny how two of my most enduring sports memories from early childhood involve seeing a hated rival lose and the joy Dad and I got from it. The other was watching the Oilers beat the Islanders in the 1984 finals. Always had a soft spot in my heart for the Edmonton Oilers ever since.