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NFT: Yankees-Mariners game 2

Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 4:21 pm
Same names for the Yankees, in a slightly different order. Torres flips with Sanchez.

Hicks - CF
Judge - RF
Gregorius - SS
Stanton - DH
Torres - 2B
Sanchez - C
Bird - 1B
Andujar - 3B
Frazier - LF

Gordon - 2B
Segura - SS
Haniger - CF
Cruz - DH
Seager - 3B
Span - LF
Healey - 1B
Gamel - RF
Zunino - C

On the mound, Johnny Lasagna faces off against the greatly diminished King Felix
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Nobody loves the Baby Bombers more than Hal.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 11:13 pm : link
Even in interviews, you can tell how much they've energized him. Until recently owning the Yankees seemed like a chore to him.
again, I missed the game - but just looking at the box score -  
Del Shofner : 6/20/2018 11:21 pm : link
great win, but can't sugarcoat the fact that Johnny L didn't seem ready for prime time as an inning-eating starter, and Shreve had another subpar outing.

I'm no debbie downer, but you can't count on miracle wins every night. I think there are two slots still out there - starting pitcher and lefty reliever (other than Chapman).
What an unbelievable turnaround in two years  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 11:23 pm : link
The 2016 Yankees won in walk off fashion in their 71st game too....to climb within a game of. T00, 35-36. The lineup that night?

Ellsbury
Gardner
Beltran
A-Rod
McCann
Castro
Gregorius
Headley
Refsnyder (Ike freaking Davis pinch hit for him later)

No one except Beltran was slugging over .419.
Sox lose again  
Eman11 : 6/20/2018 11:24 pm : link
Twins win 4-1
Still not a fan of the Stanton trade but that was a bomb. Hope he  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/20/2018 11:26 pm : link
has a great run and opts out in two years.

Shreve needs to go, why did he come in before Holder?

Somebody starts a nightly Everson Pereira watch. Thanks.
Schedule's finally starting to even out for the Sawx.  
bceagle05 : 6/20/2018 11:27 pm : link
Can't play bottom feeders at Fenway every night.
Sawx lose!  
Greg from LI : 6/20/2018 11:27 pm : link
A glorious night!

Del, I don't think Johnny pitched that badly. 6 hits but two of them were infield singles.
RE: again, I missed the game - but just looking at the box score -  
Eman11 : 6/20/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13995847 Del Shofner said:
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great win, but can't sugarcoat the fact that Johnny L didn't seem ready for prime time as an inning-eating starter, and Shreve had another subpar outing.

I'm no debbie downer, but you can't count on miracle wins every night. I think there are two slots still out there - starting pitcher and lefty reliever (other than Chapman).


I thought he was ready but gave up two soft bleeder infield hits to start the game and really had to work hard to get out of that. M's were tough on him tonight and worked counts.

He just has to make his put away pitch a little more enticing. In the minors guys would chase that but the M's were laying off and got his pitch count up.

Shreve didn't do him any favors serving up a two out, 3-2 cookie to a lefty for for the 2nd and 3rd runs in the 4th. Shreve does his job and the kid only gives up one run on a night he really battled every inning. Johnny couldve folded at any time but didn't.
Yea Johnny battled  
Stu11 : 6/20/2018 11:47 pm : link
got yanked in the 4th with 2 outs runners at 2nd and 3rd about 80 pitches. He struck his last guy out, I think Boone should have left him in to battle through it. Shreve sucks. More and more I think they look for a competent ML starter like Happ if we do anything.
RE: Yea Johnny battled  
Eman11 : 6/20/2018 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13995857 Stu11 said:
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got yanked in the 4th with 2 outs runners at 2nd and 3rd about 80 pitches. He struck his last guy out, I think Boone should have left him in to battle through it. Shreve sucks. More and more I think they look for a competent ML starter like Happ if we do anything.


I'd take Happ but I'd imagine the Jays will be looking for a Yankee tax and hopefully Cash doesn't overpay.

I'd like for them to get another high quality arm for the pen. Preferably a lefty and I'd see what the Padres are asking for Hand. He'd be huge and we could wave bye bye to Shreve while also keeping Hand away from the Stros or Sox.
4 interesting stats:  
manh george : 6/21/2018 12:04 am : link
1) The top 4 exit velocities in the majors this year are from Sanchez, Judge, Stanton, Stanton.

2) The highest by 1.2 mph, a pretty big gap, was Sanchez yesterday on a line drive out. The announcers mentioned that he crushed one yesterday, a hint that he might be coming around. So now 2 days in a row with monster shots, even if one was an out.

3) Even with his struggles, 4 of the top 10 exit velocities this year are from Stanton. He has 7 of the top 28, and 4 of those were in June.

4) 7 of the top 10 are from the three Yankees. (link)

Consider that Gleyber and Andujar are capable of joining that list, if not this year, some day soon. Maybe Frazier eventually, too. Amazing overall bat speed on this team, considering that Bird, Hicks and Didi won't make this list but hit the ball hard as well.

If Stanton and Sanchez are getting their rhythm, the league is doomed. (Knock wood.)
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RE: 4 interesting stats:  
Mike from SI : 6/21/2018 1:00 am : link
In comment 13995863 manh george said:
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1) The top 4 exit velocities in the majors this year are from Sanchez, Judge, Stanton, Stanton.

2) The highest by 1.2 mph, a pretty big gap, was Sanchez yesterday on a line drive out. The announcers mentioned that he crushed one yesterday, a hint that he might be coming around. So now 2 days in a row with monster shots, even if one was an out.

3) Even with his struggles, 4 of the top 10 exit velocities this year are from Stanton. He has 7 of the top 28, and 4 of those were in June.

4) 7 of the top 10 are from the three Yankees. (link)

Consider that Gleyber and Andujar are capable of joining that list, if not this year, some day soon. Maybe Frazier eventually, too. Amazing overall bat speed on this team, considering that Bird, Hicks and Didi won't make this list but hit the ball hard as well.

If Stanton and Sanchez are getting their rhythm, the league is doomed. (Knock wood.) Link - ( New Window )


Even with a great lineup, it's rare to get everybody in rhythm at the same time. But just imagine we get Judge, Sanchez, and Stanton swinging the bat well at the same time.
RE: Just hopped the 4 train back from the Stadium  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/21/2018 1:04 am : link
In comment 13995834 mfsd said:
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Stadium must have been 95% full, and I donít think a single person left before the end. Fun night of baseball!!


Considering how long Boone left Shreve in the game, that's quite an accomplishment. He has got to fucking go.

GREAT TEAM WIN. Everyone except for Bird had a run and/or RBI. Holder was terrific again. Great to see Gary being Gary again.
RE: RE: Just hopped the 4 train back from the Stadium  
mfsd : 6/21/2018 6:33 am : link
In comment 13995870 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Stadium must have been 95% full, and I donít think a single person left before the end. Fun night of baseball!!



Considering how long Boone left Shreve in the game, that's quite an accomplishment. He has got to fucking go.

GREAT TEAM WIN. Everyone except for Bird had a run and/or RBI. Holder was terrific again. Great to see Gary being Gary again.


Haha yup...that was still early enough in the game for people to bail I guess. But just as much grousing the the stands as there is here about Shreve
Didi is out of the funk,  
section125 : 6/21/2018 6:47 am : link
Gary has been hitting the ball hard for at least a week, Stanton has been teetering for a couple weeks. Perhaps the snowball started rolling downhill last night with the huge Sanchez and Stanton HRs. Start of a feeding frenzy. Confidence soars, people feel good at the plate. Good things happen.

Would not be surprised if the explosion occurs.

What a joy to watch the enthusiasm on this team. Young guys with the sheer joy of playing baseball. Baseball as it should be played. When you see shots of the bench they are all smiling, yucking it up. Love it. Like kids in a park after school just playing for fun

FWIW, it looked to me Losagio was pitching to not get beat last night, not pitching to get people out. Lack of aggression, not attacking batters. This is where Rothschild shows him the difference in the two games. Trust you stuff and attack the zone. Like Sonny Gray should be doing.

That is how Sonny pitches  
Eman11 : 6/21/2018 7:11 am : link
A lot of the time and it bugs the hell out of me because he's got really good stuff. The times he works quick and attacks, he's like a different pitcher and the one we hoped we were getting in the trade. Definitely needs to do more of that.

In Johnny's defense, he said last night post game he was struggling with his fastball control all night and never got it fixed. I think that had a lot to do with how he went after guys, and don't think it was out of fear of attacking them, more of a trying to figure out some way to get them out.

Gotta give the M's some credit too, they didn't chase and really worked him last night. Overall I thought the kid battled and hung tough. If that's his below average type game, I think he's gonna be ok.
Also overlooked - Chapman  
section125 : 6/21/2018 7:15 am : link
was blazing last night. 1st pitch was 100 or 101. Had a few 102s and 103 and then a 104+. His best control of the season, too. IDK what happened but he was just pure nasty. FU, hit this.
The other thing about Johnny Lasagna...  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 8:07 am : link
is that he was not getting ANYTHING on the margins. The ump's zone was consistent, but it was consistently hitter-friendly. He was making pitches that would have been strike three with three quarters of the umpires in the league and not getting calls.
RE: The other thing about Johnny Lasagna...  
section125 : 6/21/2018 8:15 am : link
In comment 13995913 Dunedin81 said:
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is that he was not getting ANYTHING on the margins. The ump's zone was consistent, but it was consistently hitter-friendly. He was making pitches that would have been strike three with three quarters of the umpires in the league and not getting calls.


I know there were a few close ones and the zone seemed to move/float a bit, but in most cases Lasagna wasn't really close. I know I'm a bit of a whiner when it comes to inconsistent strike zones, but I was not that "upset" last night. Definitely two or three that in my mind were well inside the box not called. But the ump had a weird zone.
RE: The other thing about Johnny Lasagna...  
Eman11 : 6/21/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 13995913 Dunedin81 said:
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is that he was not getting ANYTHING on the margins. The ump's zone was consistent, but it was consistently hitter-friendly. He was making pitches that would have been strike three with three quarters of the umpires in the league and not getting calls.


I agree he wasn't getting a lot of calls on the margins but I thought the ump was very inconsistent overall.

Felix was getting similar pitches called strikes and eg Bird had one AB late where he was up 2-0 in the count and the next pitch was clearly outside yet called strike 1. Changed the whole AB and inning for that matter.

There were a few calls like that both ways going against hitters. That ump is usually hitter friendly but last night he was what we all hate and that's all over the place IMO.

Great Fangraphs writeup on German  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 8:29 am : link
In a nutshell - he's doing a lot of terrific things.
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I cannot stop laughing  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 8:35 am : link
at the pitcher's reaction the literal instant the ball hits Stanton's bat. Can even hear him yell "SHIT"

Hilarious, what a win. Nothing like a walk off, getting to see the guys jumping around like a bunch of kids.
RE: I cannot stop laughing  
Stu11 : 6/21/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13995931 Kyle in NY said:
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at the pitcher's reaction the literal instant the ball hits Stanton's bat. Can even hear him yell "SHIT"

Hilarious, what a win. Nothing like a walk off, getting to see the guys jumping around like a bunch of kids.

Yea my daughter I were laughing at his reaction and that was without the volume of what he said. As soon as the bat made contact he knew he wasn't touching another baseball that night.
RE: The other thing about Johnny Lasagna...  
Beer Man : 6/21/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 13995913 Dunedin81 said:
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is that he was not getting ANYTHING on the margins. The ump's zone was consistent, but it was consistently hitter-friendly. He was making pitches that would have been strike three with three quarters of the umpires in the league and not getting calls.
I disagree. The announcers did say at the start he is considered a "Hitters" ump. But last night he was very inconsistent for both teams, and he was neither pitcher or hitter friendly because he seemed to redefine the strike zone on ever other pitch; which hurt the pitchers and hitters on both teams. First it made it difficult for the pitchers and catchers to strategize based on what the ump was giving. And it also made it difficult for the hitters to adjust based on the ump's strike zone.
It was a truly horrible pitch  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2018 8:42 am : link
0-2 on Stanton, considering his struggles against RHP, do anything but hang that and there's a good chance he gets a K. I'll take it though.
what a damn impressive win  
Stu11 : 6/21/2018 8:42 am : link
right in the teeth of what has been one of the most impressive bullpens in all of baseball. They have 2 closers and probably haven't blown a game like that all year.
RE: RE: I cannot stop laughing  
section125 : 6/21/2018 8:58 am : link
In comment 13995936 Stu11 said:
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at the pitcher's reaction the literal instant the ball hits Stanton's bat. Can even hear him yell "SHIT"

Hilarious, what a win. Nothing like a walk off, getting to see the guys jumping around like a bunch of kids.


Yea my daughter I were laughing at his reaction and that was without the volume of what he said. As soon as the bat made contact he knew he wasn't touching another baseball that night.


Yep, I knew it was gone before they switched cameras from Cook's reaction.
Hahaha @ that reaction by Cook. Love it. I could watch that on a  
Ryan in Albany : 6/21/2018 9:29 am : link
loop and never get tired of it. Also, love being up 4 in the loss column. Long way to go, but still comforting.
Happy for Stanton. Hope he goes on a 2-3 HR barrage!
What a game, what a team!
RE: Hahaha @ that reaction by Cook. Love it. I could watch that on a  
Ryan in Albany : 6/21/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13995992 Ryan in Albany said:
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loop and never get tired of it. Also, love being up 4 in the loss column. Long way to go, but still comforting.
Happy for Stanton. Hope he goes on a 2-3 HR barrage!
What a game, what a team!


*2-3 week*
Red Thunder playing center AND leading off today.  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2018 10:12 am : link
Have fun out there, kid.
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Beer Man : 6/21/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13995954 section125 said:
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at the pitcher's reaction the literal instant the ball hits Stanton's bat. Can even hear him yell "SHIT"

Hilarious, what a win. Nothing like a walk off, getting to see the guys jumping around like a bunch of kids.


Yea my daughter I were laughing at his reaction and that was without the volume of what he said. As soon as the bat made contact he knew he wasn't touching another baseball that night.



Yep, I knew it was gone before they switched cameras from Cook's reaction.
Yep, there is that unmistakable sound made when the sweet spot of the bat comes cleanly into contact with the ball.
RE: Red Thunder playing center AND leading off today.  
Eman11 : 6/21/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13996047 bceagle05 said:
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Have fun out there, kid.


I like it!

I'm sure Boone knows his team better than I do but this is the second time he's sat Sanchez completely after a big HR the game before and when he looked like he was really heating up. I get not catching him toady but how about DHing him? Mayb he's dinged up after the foul off his face and then hit by pitch but he handled that pretty good last night.

If he wants to give Miggy a day off from fielding that's fine but I wish he would've given him the whole day and kept Gary's heating up bat in there.



RE: Red Thunder playing center AND leading off today.  
Beer Man : 6/21/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13996047 bceagle05 said:
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Have fun out there, kid.
They've had him doing a lot of this for SWB. Given that Boone has been inserting his youngsters at the back end of the batting order, I am little surprised that he is leading off with Red. But still I like it, lets see how the kid handles it on the big stage.
It's a long season  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 10:29 am : link
Catching wears you down. I don't have a problem with it.

Honestly, last night was the first time in a long while that I was annoyed by one of Boone's decisions. He needs to face the fact that a)Shreve has a reverse platoon split, so he's no LOOGY b)Shreve sucks regardless. Honestly, I'd feel more confident seeing AJ Cole out there at this point.
Cessa is in the clubhouse this morning...  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 10:30 am : link
unless Gardner was DLed, this is probably a corresponding move for a Shreve DFA.
Nevermind...  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 10:36 am : link
Cole to the DL with a neck strain. Shreve survives to throw garbage innings in what is thought to be garbage time. Thanks to Judge, Sanchez and Stanton, last night was not garbage time, no thanks to Shreve.
RE: Cessa is in the clubhouse this morning...  
arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 13996067 Dunedin81 said:
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unless Gardner was DLed, this is probably a corresponding move for a Shreve DFA.


Cessa actually has fared pretty well against lefties - he's another reverse guy.

.208/.269/.399/.668 in a 178 AB sample

So, it would make some sense.
Cole pitches once per month  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2018 10:37 am : link
and manages to get injured. Tough break for him.
RE: Cole pitches once per month  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 13996072 bceagle05 said:
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and manages to get injured. Tough break for him.


Ten days on the DL, 30 days of rehab in AAA, doesn't have to be passed through waivers. "Neck strain."
Wasn't garbage time when he entered the game  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 10:42 am : link
It only became garbage time when Shreve couldn't get the job done.

The way this system churns out relievers, you can't tell me they can't find someone better than Shreve down on the farm. JP Freyereisen, Cody Carroll, somebody.
RE: Wasn't garbage time when he entered the game  
section125 : 6/21/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13996080 Greg from LI said:
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It only became garbage time when Shreve couldn't get the job done.

The way this system churns out relievers, you can't tell me they can't find someone better than Shreve down on the farm. JP Freyereisen, Cody Carroll, somebody.


anybody, really.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 11:17 am : link
Stanton's walk-off HR last night was only the 2nd time in NYY history that a player has hit one with an 0-2 count and 2 outs.

I think the other was Giambi.

That's sort of hard to believe considering the Yankees have played like 18,000+ games.
Generally liking Boone so far...  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 11:18 am : link
but Shreve has reverse splits, so handedness is really a non-issue. The binder may say "lefty" but when your lefty can't get lefties out, perhaps you can go with a righty who does.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 11:25 am : link
What's up with Kahnle? He pitched really well last year from what I remember. I know he hurt his shoulder in April, but he was activated like a month ago and it looks like his last outing against HOU was good.
No kidding?  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 11:25 am : link
That, I would not have expected.

IIRC Kahnle's fastball was down several ticks in velocity  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2018 11:27 am : link
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RE: RE: Cole pitches once per month  
wigs in nyc : 6/21/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13996079 Dunedin81 said:
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and manages to get injured. Tough break for him.



Ten days on the DL, 30 days of rehab in AAA, doesn't have to be passed through waivers. "Neck strain."


Ha! This is a great point. Puts him ready to be back just as rosters expand.
RE: IIRC Kahnle's fastball was down several ticks in velocity  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13996136 Greg from LI said:
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It's back up in the minors, I think they want to see consistent results before they promote him. 8 outings so far, allowed runs in each of the first 2 and then in the 6th, otherwise has been pretty good. So probably pretty close.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 11:41 am : link
Good stuff. If he can get back to what he was last year, that'll bolster the pen even more.

#AnyoneButShreve
RE: It's a long season  
Eman11 : 6/21/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13996065 Greg from LI said:
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Catching wears you down. I don't have a problem with it.

Honestly, last night was the first time in a long while that I was annoyed by one of Boone's decisions. He needs to face the fact that a)Shreve has a reverse platoon split, so he's no LOOGY b)Shreve sucks regardless. Honestly, I'd feel more confident seeing AJ Cole out there at this point.


Sure it wears you down but IMO no reason he couldn't DH today. This is at least twice now he has sat Gary when he was just getting heated up,and it seemed to cool him off the last time. I just don't want to see that happen again.

I'd feel different if he was still cold but that's not the case and I want to keep feeding him and get him locked in.
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