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Interesting stats with Eli and Philly last year

UberAlias : 6/21/2018 9:06 am
It is amazing the games Eli had against the SB champs last year, especially in comparison to other games. Against Philly, Eli had games of 366 and 434 yards. What's surprising is that they were the only 300 yard games he had last season.

Combined, he threw for 800 yards against Philly, which is 23% of his season total, so nearly a quarter of his production came in those games.

He also had only had two 3 TDs games last year --the two games with Philly.

Anyway, not trying to read too much into this, just thought it was interesting how much these games stood out in contrast to the remaining.
And probably should have won  
Simms11 : 6/21/2018 9:11 am : link
the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!
and that super long field goal at the end..  
Gordo : 6/21/2018 9:14 am : link
that sucked
Just further cements  
gmen9892 : 6/21/2018 9:22 am : link
That Eli can step up in the biggest games. Very excited to see what #10 has left with a talented cast.
RE: And probably should have won  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/21/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13995967 Simms11 said:
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the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!


This gets forgotten way to often.

I actually think if we had won that game, this season past wouldn't have gone completely down the shitter.

They had some offensive momentum headed into the next game, and then all the WRs were knocked out from there. That was the end of any hope.
RE: RE: And probably should have won  
Diver_Down : 6/21/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13996012 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13995967 Simms11 said:


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the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!



This gets forgotten way to often.

I actually think if we had won that game, this season past wouldn't have gone completely down the shitter.

They had some offensive momentum headed into the next game, and then all the WRs were knocked out from there. That was the end of any hope.


It also reinforces what an incredible effort Eli put forth in the second Eagles game where the malaise had already set in and he was throwing to WRs that should have been bagging groceries.
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joeinpa : 6/21/2018 10:03 am : link
Eli has stepped up in big games , but neither Philly game last year qualifies as a big game, especially the second one.

Eli s record speaks for itself, the good and the bad. No need to stretch the truth to defend him
Only stat that mattered against Philly was  
djstat : 6/21/2018 10:04 am : link
0-2

Eli can still play. If these games make you believe that, then cool. Bottom line is, we lost.
RE: RE: And probably should have won  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/21/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13996012 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13995967 Simms11 said:


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the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!



This gets forgotten way to often.

I actually think if we had won that game, this season past wouldn't have gone completely down the shitter.

They had some offensive momentum headed into the next game, and then all the WRs were knocked out from there. That was the end of any hope.


I agree. I think if we win that game, the pressure doesn't get to us and we don't choke away the next two games (Tampa and San Diego) at the end. Eli doesn't throw an atrocious pass that gets Beckham injured and doesn't fumble the game away on the next play. The team is 3-3 and the season is entirely different.

Problem is, we probably have a mediocre season, end up 8-8 with a lower pick and it won't be enough to fire Reese and BM.
Um, I think there was a reason...  
Racer : 6/21/2018 10:44 am : link
...Gettleman and Shurmur cited these two games when asked about Eli's effectiveness going forward, how much he had left in the tank, etc.


Probably reversion to the mean as much as anything  
WideRight : 6/21/2018 10:59 am : link

His career play against Philly has been pretty poor.

And the sample size, two games, doesn't tell you anything about future performance.

Only thing its really demonstrates is that the Eagles weren't as good as they are given credit for
RE: 9892  
gmen9892 : 6/21/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13996039 joeinpa said:
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Eli has stepped up in big games , but neither Philly game last year qualifies as a big game, especially the second one.

Eli s record speaks for itself, the good and the bad. No need to stretch the truth to defend him


Completely disagree here. Every Philly game is a big game. Being 0-2 and going into the 3rd game, the first Philly game was a monster game in terms of getting the season back on track. Eli came to play. There is no truth stretching.
The 2nd philly game was HUGE for them  
dep026 : 6/21/2018 11:26 am : link
They needed the win for home field. I don’t know why that keeps getting forgotten.
RE: RE: And probably should have won  
Big Blue '56 : 6/21/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13996012 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13995967 Simms11 said:


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the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!



This gets forgotten way to often.

I actually think if we had won that game, this season past wouldn't have gone completely down the shitter.

They had some offensive momentum headed into the next game, and then all the WRs were knocked out from there. That was the end of any hope.


You know what an optimist I am, but I don’t think so. We were basically playing people off the streets..Our record pretty much depicted what went on, imo
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joeinpa : 6/21/2018 12:16 pm : link
I was thinking more alonhythe line of play off games or regular season games that get you into the play offs, like Dallas and Jets in 11

First Philly game at 0-2 was big for that time of year I agree. But wouldn t that have made the 4 th game, even bigger.
Bottom line is that the entire team played bad all year  
Jimmy Googs : 6/21/2018 1:22 pm : link
If you feel the need to point to the plays that mattered.. it was when OBJ gut hurt in preseason and the one that ended his season.

Everything else didn’t...

RE: Probably reversion to the mean as much as anything  
UberAlias : 6/21/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13996093 WideRight said:
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His career play against Philly has been pretty poor.

And the sample size, two games, doesn't tell you anything about future performance.

Only thing its really demonstrates is that the Eagles weren't as good as they are given credit for
Well like I said, I'm not reading anything into it, just find it interesting how much those games stood out. And against the most unlikely of teams -eventual SB champs and team who has given fits over the years.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2018 1:58 pm : link
The Eagles just could not cover inside slants whatsoever. We bludgeoned them to death with that and they had no way of stopping it.
What's interesting is that Shepard  
UberAlias : 6/21/2018 2:03 pm : link
Had similarly great performances. He had both of his TDs in those games and averaged 9 catches 136 yards and a TD in those games.
I remember the 2nd game best  
mrvax : 6/21/2018 5:47 pm : link
One key to the Giants offense was that they played 'hurry-up' and prevented the Eagle's D from substitutions. It was a fun (finally) game to watch.
Dep  
joeinpa : 6/21/2018 6:41 pm : link
Ok, it was one in a sting of meaningless games for the Giants. Sure didn t feel like a big game to me.
Still the bottom line  
NikkiMac : 6/22/2018 4:51 pm : link
Is Eli when he was younger made plays and then clutch plays right until the end of the game now he continues to throw interceptions against teams like Philadelphia as he’s trying to mount comebacks that are usually back breakers for a team with no leaders ...... he’s like taking two steps forward one step back , he will have to stop that if we are going to make it to a super bowl with him as this year will be no different ..... Eli will have to play lights out if we are going to win games this year but I personally think Eli has got one more banner year left.............
RE: RE: And probably should have won  
Aqua Giants : 6/22/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13996012 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13995967 Simms11 said:


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the first game had it not been for Sheppard being robbed of a TD twice!



This gets forgotten way to often.

I actually think if we had won that game, this season past wouldn't have gone completely down the shitter.

They had some offensive momentum headed into the next game, and then all the WRs were knocked out from there. That was the end of any hope.

the Giants offense had 0 points going into the 4th Q  
Aqua Giants : 6/22/2018 9:26 pm : link
against Philly
Obviously, you remember those games much different than I do....  
Doomster : 6/25/2018 12:41 pm : link
Philly was sitting on a 14-0 lead going into the fourth quarter....Giant offense did nothing that game....then they finally had good field position at their 45 to start the fourth and finally scored....then the Eagles fumbled and gave them a short scoring opportunity, which they capitalized on....then on the next drive Eli hits SS for a 12 yard pass, but because of the terrible angle by the FS, he goes 77 yards....Giants lead 21-14.....

Philly wakes up, and goes 75 yards in a minute and a half, to tie the game...

Then the Giants return to normal with a stupid penalty and a missed 3rd down conversion and settle for a fg...

With 51 seconds left, the Giants are back to normal.....3rd and 15, a 14 yard completion.....how many times did we see that last year?

And then THE punt by Wing, and the comedy show where Apple takes out Jenkins allowing the receiver to get out of bounds with one second left.....you can't even make this stuff up in a book....followed by a game winning 61 yard fg....


The second game? Two long td's were gifts from poor tackling....Blowing a 21-7 lead....the offense and ST's gift the Eagles two short field td's before the half...blocked fg in fourth quarter, followed by a drive resulting in 1st and goal at the 9 and couldn't score.....

These two games show what Shurm has to instill in his team....the ability to finish games, and create a winning attitude......
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