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Anakim : 6/22/2018 12:35 am
So the Knicks came away with

SF/PF Kevin Knox II (Kentucky)
C Mitchell Robinson (USA) - I'm so excited to see him play

And......



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RE: RE: RE: RE: Knicks drafting has actually been quite good  
NoGainDayne : 6/22/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13997376 TJ said:
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In comment 13996993 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.

In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.



Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.


That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.
Check  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 2:02 pm : link
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At 36.. no-brainer
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for the Knicks to be good again ...  
Csonka : 6/22/2018 2:03 pm : link
We have to suck for one more year. That's the process.
By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.
RE: for the Knicks to be good again ...  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13997391 Csonka said:
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We have to suck for one more year. That's the process.
By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.


Things are headed in the right direction, despite the reflexive doom and gloom of the media and may fans. I'm not counting on Kyrie - though I think it's possible - but KP, Knox, Frank and a lottery pick next year is the most young talent the Knicks will have had in decades.
Thanks for the info  
NYG27 : 6/22/2018 2:08 pm : link
Salary Cap wise, if Kanter opts out, we're not in that bad of a shape if they bite the bullet for 2 year. They just need to wait out the contract of their three 30+ year old players.

Joakim Noah has $18.5M in 2018 and $19.3M in 2019, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.

Courtney Lee has $12.2M in 2018 and $12.8M in 2019, similar to Noah, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.

Lance Thomas has $7.1M in 2018 but has a non-guaranteed 2019 contract of $7.5M. Might be best to hold onto him for one year and then not pick up his 2019 contract to free up salary cap space.

On  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 2:14 pm : link
paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out.

Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.
it's what they should have been doing all along  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 2:17 pm : link
Better late than never
RE: So they have money tied up in a few players for 1-2 years  
Big Rick in FL : 6/22/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13997283 djm said:
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They arent going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isnt coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts.

In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys arent crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster cant argue that. Hes also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...


You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.
RE: On  
Big Rick in FL : 6/22/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13997399 DanMetroMan said:
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paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out.


Is there any chance Kanter turns down 18.6 million for next season?
RE: On  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13997399 DanMetroMan said:
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paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out.

Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.


will be really interesting to see what mills and perry do this off season...

i dont expect any big contrwcts bjt it will be interesting what vets they bring in...

for example are they going to bring in a guy like jarrett jack or they going to let the young kids play, beasley?

will fiz give big minutes to lee and thomas?
RE: RE: So they have money tied up in a few players for 1-2 years  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13997402 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13997283 djm said:


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They arent going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isnt coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts.

In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys arent crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster cant argue that. Hes also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...



You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.


It was pretty interesting that most of the players took Noah's side against Hornacek after their scuffle.
Only issue with Tanking  
Pete44 : 6/22/2018 2:22 pm : link
Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.
RE: Only issue with Tanking  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13997407 Pete44 said:
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Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.


It isn't tanking. They just don't have good players and have no path to add any before next year.

I'm sure there will be some top end talent.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 2:25 pm : link
the only "tank" they need to do is not play Kanter 35 minutes a night, not play Lee 30 minutes a night etc. The talent sucks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Knicks drafting has actually been quite good  
GeofromNJ : 6/22/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13997382 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 13997376 TJ said:


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In comment 13996993 Jim in Fairfax said:


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Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.

In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.



Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.



That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.

All three trades were baffling. Toronto did handstands when they realized that some idiot was willing to trade a 1st (an unprotected 1st at that) in addition to Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and two seconds for Bargnani.
Without KP  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2018 2:29 pm : link
The Knicks are a very bad team. The good news is that the Knicks can use this season as an evaluation year. They will develop Frank, Knox, and Robinson and hope that Mudiay and Burke play well enough and improve to become valuable long term contributors.
RE: Only issue with Tanking  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13997407 Pete44 said:
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Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.


Doesnt this mean the Knicks should try being as bad as they can to land one of the few good players?
I think there's a decent chance the one and done rule goes away  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 2:41 pm : link
for next year's draft, though, in which case you'll also have a bunch of high school seniors eligible, deepening the draft pool.
Future Knicks Draft picks  
NYG27 : 6/22/2018 2:44 pm : link
Knicks had traded away their second round picks in 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although they are also receiving second round picks in each of those three draft (Thanks Willy Hernangomez).

We have a full slate of draft picks going forward and hopefully this new administration doesn't mortgage the future for quick rebuild opportunities.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 2:56 pm : link
hope they go after Kyle Anderson and Van Vleet.
RE: I think there's a decent chance the one and done rule goes away  
Enzo : 6/22/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13997420 Greg from LI said:
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for next year's draft, though, in which case you'll also have a bunch of high school seniors eligible, deepening the draft pool.

NBA sent a memo to teams about this. Supposedly it's going to happen in 2021.
seems like our roster is just about set already for next  
Enzo : 6/22/2018 3:00 pm : link
year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
RE: seems like our roster is just about set already for next  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13997440 Enzo said:
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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams


Awful team and they better reign in THjr and not let him 8-24 us to a few wins.
I want them to lose a lot for the pick.  
Mike from SI : 6/22/2018 3:09 pm : link
But I also want them to be competitive--you don't want young guys getting used to being blown out. It's a fine line.
RE: seems like our roster is just about set already for next  
NYG27 : 6/22/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13997440 Enzo said:
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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams


Lance Thomas (non-guaranteed 2019), Emmanuel Mudia and Ron Baker come off the books in Summer 2019, which would free up $19 million. Plus Noah and Lee would both be in the last year of their contracts, freeing up $32 million in 2020.

That's the slot for two Max Contracts in the Summer of 2020.
RE: RE: seems like our roster is just about set already for next  
Enzo : 6/22/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13997444 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13997440 Enzo said:


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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams


Awful team and they better reign in THjr and not let him 8-24 us to a few wins.

nightmare scenario is Kanter, Hardawy, Lee, and even Noah getting enough minutes to win a handful of extra games. Although throwing Noah's corpse out there might help us lose more often.
RE: RE: seems like our roster is just about set already for next  
Enzo : 6/22/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13997458 NYG27 said:
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In comment 13997440 Enzo said:


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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams



Lance Thomas (non-guaranteed 2019), Emmanuel Mudia and Ron Baker come off the books in Summer 2019, which would free up $19 million. Plus Noah and Lee would both be in the last year of their contracts, freeing up $32 million in 2020.

That's the slot for two Max Contracts in the Summer of 2020.

depending on when (and if) he signs, KP's extension is going to impact future cap space.
Enzo  
NYG27 : 6/22/2018 3:33 pm : link
I was counting Kanter's slot eventually going to KP if he signs a long term contract. That should be close to $24 million ($18.6 Kanter and $5.7 KP contracts for 2018).

That would still leave near two max player contracts for 2020 once Noah, Thomas, Lee, Mudia and Baker are off the books. That's $51 million total.

KP, two MAX level players, Knox, Robinson, Dotson, Ntilikina, 2019 lottery pick and Hardaway Jr would make a solid 9 player core in 2020 season.

Then Hardaway's $19 million comes off the books in the summer of 2021 and the Knicks can use that spot to add another piece.

Hopefully they'll be patient for two years to free up the cap space.
How is the top 5  
GMEN46 : 6/22/2018 4:03 pm : link
In next years draft?
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 6/22/2018 4:06 pm : link
Very happy with the results last night. I know he has some issues, but to get a talent like Robinson at 36 is pretty impressive. That guy oozes talent.

I'm happy with Knox too. Porter was just too much of a health risk given the Knicks situation. When a 19 year old has trouble getting out of bed during the most important time of his career, thats a major major red flag.

I hope they stay the course and really commit to the young guys this year. Don't sign any long term FAs and hopefully find a taker for Lee and Hardaway if anyone wants him.

With the new lottery odds flattened for next year, if they fall in the bottom 3 all teams have a equal 14% shot at the top pick. The Knicks will surely be a bottom 5 team.

Things are looking up...
Mitchell Robinson  
GMEN46 : 6/22/2018 4:08 pm : link
Any ideas why he didnt have offers from bigtime schools? If you look at that kid they were al pretty avg schools for an 11th ranked prospect.
RE: How is the top 5  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13997509 GMEN46 said:
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In next years draft?


As of right now ugly on paper.
RE: Mitchell Robinson  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13997517 GMEN46 said:
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Any ideas why he didnt have offers from bigtime schools? If you look at that kid they were al pretty avg schools for an 11th ranked prospect.


no one really knows the real story, some spexulated western kentuxky offered him money and when they didnt pay he left...

some say his grades were dog shit so coukdnt get into a big school...

he claims he jusg wanted to take the year and concentrate on being ready for the next level
sounds like the top 3 stars  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:15 pm : link
everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
RE: RE: How is the top 5  
TyreeHelmet : 6/22/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13997518 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13997509 GMEN46 said:


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In next years draft?



As of right now ugly on paper.


I thought it was expected to be strong at the top but weak overall? Of course the year the Knicks likely will have a top 5 pick the class is bad...
RE: sounds like the top 3 stars  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13997529 nygiants16 said:
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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...


Where are you seeing this? Itll be interesting from a perspective of what theyll do with randle. If they sign him long term that impedes some of that cap space.
Of course Paul George is staying in OKC  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 4:22 pm : link
He's giddy at the thought of playing with Devon Hall!
RE: RE: sounds like the top 3 stars  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13997539 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13997529 nygiants16 said:


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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...



Where are you seeing this? Itll be interesting from a perspective of what theyll do with randle. If they sign him long term that impedes some of that cap space.


magic basically said we may not sign multiple guys but we have a plan a and b and that could mean 2019
RE: sounds like the top 3 stars  
TyreeHelmet : 6/22/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13997529 nygiants16 said:
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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...


I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?

I think PG13 stays in OKC.

Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.

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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2018 4:38 pm : link
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RE: RE: sounds like the top 3 stars  
Pete44 : 6/22/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13997558 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13997529 nygiants16 said:


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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...



I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?

I think PG13 stays in OKC.

Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.


Windbag says 51% LA and 40% Cleveland and 9% Philly for Lebron as of now.
RE: RE: sounds like the top 3 stars  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13997558 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13997529 nygiants16 said:


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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..

rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...

rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...

cavs and lebron seem to be talking...

and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...



I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?

I think PG13 stays in OKC.

Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.


i just cant see him going to la wothout pg or kawhi...
RE: .  
JoeMoney19 : 6/22/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13997561 DanMetroMan said:
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Wish we couldve nabbed Duval. Sort of surprised he wasnt drafted by anyone.
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 6/22/2018 4:52 pm : link
What if they signed CP3 and Lebron and then traded Lonzo Ball?

CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma

That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.

The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.
You think PG stays in OKC long term?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2018 4:53 pm : link
It is hard seeing Lebron staying. It's almost like everyone expects him to leave at this point. He won't get the same backlash he did for leaving Cleveland the first time. It would be almost as a disservice to return to Cleveland, everyone knows he isnt there for the long haul. Plus I think their pick is top 10 protected. So he will make them lose a top pick for a year, likely lose before the Finals and then leave?
RE: Lakers  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13997583 TyreeHelmet said:
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What if they signed CP3 and Lebron and then traded Lonzo Ball?

CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma

That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.

The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.


if cp3 goes with him yes i can see that, i just dont think he goes by himself
RE: Lakers  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13997583 TyreeHelmet said:
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What if they signed CP3 and Lebron and then traded Lonzo Ball?

CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma

That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.

The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.


Ehhh I dont know how I feel about that team. I still dont think that sniffs GS and LA is sacrificing future prospects to lose to GS right now. CP3 is getting up there and he was shaky against GS before he got hurt.

And I really think if you can't match GS's star power (e.g. PG, Kawhi and Bron) you need a stout line of defense. Randle is a good individual defender but not a rim protector. Kuzma is pretty awful on defense. He's talented but I think he is a 6th man. C
RE: You think PG stays in OKC long term?  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13997585 giantsfan44ab said:
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It is hard seeing Lebron staying. It's almost like everyone expects him to leave at this point. He won't get the same backlash he did for leaving Cleveland the first time. It would be almost as a disservice to return to Cleveland, everyone knows he isnt there for the long haul. Plus I think their pick is top 10 protected. So he will make them lose a top pick for a year, likely lose before the Finals and then leave?


maybe not long term but i can definitely see pg giving it 1 more year...

if you are okc and he leaves do you trade westbrook and completely start over?
you have to  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2018 5:05 pm : link
it would be sad just seeing OKC run with westbrook and no one else. Who are you getting? I wonder what his trade market would be. I've soured on him completely but he was on the verge of making the Finals until he and KD tried playing hero ball game 6 and 7 against GS. I think they would've stormed past CLE too they were playing so well till that point.
Graubner and Orpik  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 7:05 pm : link
traded to Colorado
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