So the Knicks came away with
SF/PF Kevin Knox II (Kentucky)
C Mitchell Robinson (USA) - I'm so excited to see him play
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Given the Knicks strong history of developing players into stars, I think they did great :(
Knicks are starting to resemble a 21st century roster. Their young guys - KP, Frank, Knox, Dotson and Robinson - all have excellent size/wingspan for their respective positions. One more lottery pick and a big fish in free agency next year might just put us on the map.
There is no real player I would have liked them to take other than Knox maybe other than Lonnie Walker IV. The draft really fell off after #7 so the Knicks were unlucky. I liked the Sixers pick and Boston might have gotten the next Shawn Kemp at #27 so the rich got richer.
KP was a great pick
THJR and Shump were solid for where they were picked
Jordan Hill was meh, but Knicks were going to take Curry until he went right before they picked
Frank is too early to tell
Willy was a very solid second rounder
So, the real problem has been lack of picks not who they picked
But they came away with two guys with the potential to be a lot better. Yeah, neither may pan out but I like the approach. Usually Knick GMs are looking to add a few wins so they can keep their jobs. In contrast, I think Perry did what he thought is best for the team longterm.
KP was a great pick
THJR and Shump were solid for where they were picked
Jordan Hill was meh, but Knicks were going to take Curry until he went right before they picked
Frank is too early to tell
Willy was a very solid second rounder
So, the real problem has been lack of picks not who they picked
Where did all of those first round picks go? Did Isiah Thomas trade 25 of them to get Carmelo Anthony that time?
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Problem is that they have traded away so many first round picks.
KP was a great pick
THJR and Shump were solid for where they were picked
Jordan Hill was meh, but Knicks were going to take Curry until he went right before they picked
Frank is too early to tell
Willy was a very solid second rounder
So, the real problem has been lack of picks not who they picked
Where did all of those first round picks go? Did Isiah Thomas trade 25 of them to get Carmelo Anthony that time?
Don't know if you can call KP a great pick yet, while he is a good player, big men with injury issues at a young age never seem to pan out well.
Given the Knicks strong history of developing players into stars, I think they did great :(
They didnt pass on the PG prospects- Young and Sexton were gone by the time the Knicks picked. What PG would you have taken at #9?
Exactly, let the kid play major minutes in the Dleague. Kid needs to be on the court
Where did all of those first round picks go? Did Isiah Thomas trade 25 of them to get Carmelo Anthony that time?
Isiah was gone by the time they traded for Melo - that was Donnie Walsh. Only one actual first round pick went in the trade, though 2 of the players they dealt in the deal were former #1 picks (Gallinari and Wilson Chandler). Walsh also traded away another #1 the year before to free up cap space to go after Lebron. (Got Amare instead)
Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.
In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.
Knox is still just 18. He's got some serious skills but to reach his potential, he will have to develop.
But even more so, Robinson is incredibly raw. You can see the athleticism, but is he even anywhere close toready to get on the court in a game? I like the pick though because he definitely has DeAndre Jordan/Whiteside type potential. Alternately, if he doesn't develop he might not even be able to stay in the league.
That isn't even including Frank who has bizarro arms.
That isn't even including Frank who has bizarro arms.
***28 feet!!
as the season went on he established himself a little bit better, in high school he was known as a hustle rebounder defender type of player so hopefully that translates..
really excited about knox
What non teenager should they have taken?
what older player who they could of drafted that would help them win right away?
the object is to buikd a team, there are no quick fixes in the draft...
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
according to begely knicks have told agents no long term deals
Kp is out for the year. we're not winning many games regardless of who we took. Knox has all the skills to be a star. He has a year now to develop during reg season games. I think it was a great pick
yeah, some of the comments coming from the front office last season about how great they are at player development were borderline silly. Taking teenagers is the easy part. The hard part is actually developing these guys into players.
Trey Burke was a nice reclamation story, but Dotson had NBA ready skills coming into the league. Not much else to get excited about on the development front. We'll see how Frank, Knox and Robinson come along - those are the real test cases.
I'm hoping for a top 3 pick next year, and adding a young star to the roster. We need about 2 more of them to compete with the top teams, and that's if KP comes back fully.
[quote] That's all I ask...don't just fly by the seat of your pants, have a plan and execute. The plan is clearly to accumulate young assets and protect the cap flexibility. What more can we want as fans? ...LOL....that is the problem right there. I think the fans are supposed to want WINS. Sure the Warriors are good but we are kicking their ASS in cap flexibility...lol
If it were up to me, Frank/Dotson/Knox would get a ton of time together, but I fear we'll get a steady dose of Lee and, gulp, Lance Thomas instead. Lee really needs to go.
I really hope that this isn't true. I don't want Lavar Ball's toxic personality anywhere near this franchise.
[quote] That's all I ask...don't just fly by the seat of your pants, have a plan and execute. The plan is clearly to accumulate young assets and protect the cap flexibility. What more can we want as fans? ...LOL....that is the problem right there. I think the fans are supposed to want WINS. Sure the Warriors are good but we are kicking their ASS in cap flexibility...lol
dude you are so lost...
what were the warriors before curry and thompson?
what were the sixers before simmons and embiid?
what were the cavs without lebron?
it takes timr and knicks are building the right way, be patient, so if knicks traded for kemba you wiuld be happy?
Going for the quick fix is why theyve been in this mess for so long. It goes back to when Ewing got old. If they had bitten the bullet and just lived with bring bad a few years, they might have seen success again.
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players and they backed it up by taking two guys who are ripe for development.
yeah, some of the comments coming from the front office last season about how great they are at player development were borderline silly. Taking teenagers is the easy part. The hard part is actually developing these guys into players.
knicks are backing that up by hiring coaches that specialize in development
The reason they've been bad for so long is that they've been trying short term quick fixes for over a decade.
[quote] That's all I ask...don't just fly by the seat of your pants, have a plan and execute. The plan is clearly to accumulate young assets and protect the cap flexibility. What more can we want as fans? ...LOL....that is the problem right there. I think the fans are supposed to want WINS. Sure the Warriors are good but we are kicking their ASS in cap flexibility...lol
Please explain to me how you think the Warriors got to where they are right now.
with lee, i want to see dotson and hardaway get those minutes, lee can go to a contender
with lee, i want to see dotson and hardaway get those minutes, lee can go to a contender
Agreed. I can live with Lance for one more season - they're still pretty thin at the forward spot anyway, with KP injured and KOQ likely leaving. In fact, Denver has a million forwards - maybe they'll send us one in exchange for Lee.
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Of course there's progress. Team is getting younger, cheaper and more talented, and has a coach who's Red Auerbach compared to Hornacek, Rambis and Fisher.
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
according to begely knicks have told agents no long term deals
To me this is incredibly dumb if they are actually telling agents this. This would incentivize Kanter to opt in. I guess who cares if we are tanking. But this would probably rule out Randle as a FA target.
Don't want to win more games then we have to next season, but I think Favors is a great fit with KP. Can test him out on a 1 year deal. He came up big for the Jazz in the OKC series and I think playing with Gobert was a really rough fit for him.
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Of course there's progress. Team is getting younger, cheaper and more talented, and has a coach who's Red Auerbach compared to Hornacek, Rambis and Fisher.
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
according to begely knicks have told agents no long term deals
To me this is incredibly dumb if they are actually telling agents this. This would incentivize Kanter to opt in. I guess who cares if we are tanking. But this would probably rule out Randle as a FA target.
Don't want to win more games then we have to next season, but I think Favors is a great fit with KP. Can test him out on a 1 year deal. He came up big for the Jazz in the OKC series and I think playing with Gobert was a really rough fit for him.
kanter is openly said he wants to opt out because he wants a long term contract, he doesnt care about how much but he wants a long term contract
i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
3 years and $36M is a pretty bad contract for a bench guard. Its not his basketball ability which makes him untraceable, its that he has a bad contract
That is all.
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Of course there's progress. Team is getting younger, cheaper and more talented, and has a coach who's Red Auerbach compared to Hornacek, Rambis and Fisher.
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
according to begely knicks have told agents no long term deals
To me this is incredibly dumb if they are actually telling agents this. This would incentivize Kanter to opt in. I guess who cares if we are tanking. But this would probably rule out Randle as a FA target.
Don't want to win more games then we have to next season, but I think Favors is a great fit with KP. Can test him out on a 1 year deal. He came up big for the Jazz in the OKC series and I think playing with Gobert was a really rough fit for him.
The Knicks are actually doing the smart thing.
No one REALLY believes that Kanter will opt out. He and his agent aren't dumb- only a small handful of teams have cap space- and they aren't going to use it on a well below average defensive C who is basically a rebound expert.
By picking Knox, the Knicks are getting a player who likely will NOT be a rotation regular for the first half of the season. That reduces the chances of improvement.
By starting Thomas, they will give up scoring on the wing, leaving the two G to lead the team. That generally doesn't win you a lot of games unless you are Portland.
The goal is to get as high a pick as they can. Play substandard vets and rely on the G to score- sounds like 60 losses for sure- and that's a good thing.
When Zinger comes back in 2019, he will have a high pick to play with, a team with cap space to grab at least one difference-making FA, and hopefully the young players will have developed to give depth. That is how you build a contending team- not constantly digging a hole by adding only slightly above average vets (i.e.- Randle) on huge contracts.
Yet here we are with millions locked up in Noah, Hardaway, Lee and Thomas.
Fuck.
But for all the wrong reasons
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
3 years and $36M is a pretty bad contract for a bench guard. Its not his basketball ability which makes him untraceable, its that he has a bad contract
try 2 years 24 million
The NBA draft is now about teenagers, yes. No more guys who dominated at college level for 2-3 years. On one hand it's terrible as you have to wait (and hope) for guys to develop. On the other you're more likely to get a stud further down ala the Greek Freak who was available at 15.
who is asking for a lottery pick?
you realize a team like gs or houston or cleveland if lebron stays can not use the kid level so a guy like lee for an expiring would be a bargain for them...
even boston cant really use the mid level...
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Thats still twice as long as a deal that a team was reportedly willing to part with a lottery pick to get rid of.
who is asking for a lottery pick?
you realize a team like gs or houston or cleveland if lebron stays can not use the kid level so a guy like lee for an expiring would be a bargain for them...
even boston cant really use the mid level...
Team's like GS or Houston don't need Courtney Lee.
I'm saying DEN was looking to trade their pick to get rid of Faried. I'm not going to sit here and pretend Lee is incredibly more useful than Faried to a contender. What is the last player of similar contract length to be flat out dumped? Woj was reporting EXACTLY this at the trade deadline. With the current structure of the buyout market you can get a player of similar caliber to Lee for the minimum before the playoffs start. Why the hell does it make any sense to commit $25M over the next two years when you can assuredly pick one up for $2M for half a season. It makes 0 logical sense. It's just dumb.
gerald green was playing overseas...
greg monroe was flat out bought out because he was terrible..
shane larkin was playing overseas...
you think if knicks called up boston and said we will give you lee for an expiring contract they say no?
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
I don't see much downside with Knox. He's already a decently polished scorer at 18. Once he grows into his body a bit more and develops a feel for the NBA game, he can be really really good, all star level eventually. I probably would have taken Bridges just because I feel like his bust potential is almost zero, but clearly the upside is much higher with Knox. Bridges is also 2 inches shorter, and a lesser athlete.
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and Joe Johnson for pennies. Boston picked up Greg Monroe and Shane Larkin for pennies. Lee's contract look atrocious in comparison, why make the commitment?
gerald green was playing overseas...
greg monroe was flat out bought out because he was terrible..
shane larkin was playing overseas...
you think if knicks called up boston and said we will give you lee for an expiring contract they say no?
Absolutely. You think Ainge would be willing to add Lee's deal with all their contracts in place and all the guards they have hitting FA in the next year? Lee's $12M will add more than just $12M with all the luxury tax they will have to pay. Ainge doesn't do dumb shit like that.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
What contender has given a 2 year MLE to a bench player? Contenders consistently find guys like this for vet mins and buyouts, they don't tie up future cap dollars on their bench. And the Cavs are an anomaly.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
What contender has given a 2 year MLE to a bench player? Contenders consistently find guys like this for vet mins and buyouts, they don't tie up future cap dollars on their bench. And the Cavs are an anomaly.
that is because most contending teams cant because of the hard cap
I don't think it's necessarily a knock, I think they just appreciate Knox's upside more and the long term approach to building. I think the goal is to play KP at the 5 in stretches and Knox would be a great 4 when they go small.
huh? the only way a team gets a hard cap is if they use the mid
level, so yes they can trade for lee
probably more 2/3 than 3/4 also...
knox fit the knicms better than bridges
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Lee has no use for teams that aren't contending. Im sorry he is a Knicks player that averages more than 10 points per game. He just isn't that useful to many teams in the league.
huh? the only way a team gets a hard cap is if they use the mid
level, so yes they can trade for lee
They won't. Unless they're getting compensated with a pick or prospect. Just watch.
Seriously. And it seems like they actually have a plan and a vision.
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
he should embrace being a spark plug go out and score type player off the bench, that is his best role..
i dont think he will ha e to worry tk much about protecting the rim, new nba not many guys who play the 4 that are just going to post you up...
plus he is only 18 wont turn 19 until august he has plenty of time to add weight if needed...
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring.
would have been nice to have our own #2 as well.
Can't defend the rim, that's not really his role. I think in time he can handle 4s. Needs to get tougher and stronger but again he is incredibly young. Physically he reminds me of Tobias Harris, he got pretty jacked since college. I think he is a better shooter but more raw as an interior scorer, but that's sort of the player/role I see him playing as.
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thanks, got it, and I haven't seen much of Knox, but Bridges looks like a player who can excel in open court and transition. As a 4 can Knox muscle in the paint, rebound, and defend the rim? I understand he's all about the potential: does he have the body and the will?
Can't defend the rim, that's not really his role. I think in time he can handle 4s. Needs to get tougher and stronger but again he is incredibly young. Physically he reminds me of Tobias Harris, he got pretty jacked since college. I think he is a better shooter but more raw as an interior scorer, but that's sort of the player/role I see him playing as.
1 difference tobias is more of a midrange iso scorer, i dont see knox being that...
he likes to run off screens and play off the ball more rather than iso
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at this very moment if knlx does not improve at all i see tobias harris, i hope he improves and beckmes better than harris
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring.
I don't see how a SG on a short deal, that plays solid defense coming off of a season where he had .45/.41/.92 shooting splits is unmovable. $12 million per year is nothing in today's NBA. Lee is the 21st highest paid 2 guard in the league, and the next 9 guys are within $2 million of him.
At the same time obsessing or dreading his contract is just as strange. Hes harmless. His deal wont kill the Knicks at all for all we know the Knicks could have dumped him at the deadline for spare parts but chose not to because hes a good locker room guy and a pro on the court.
For all this talk of wanting to tank and wait for 2019 some of you sure do obsess over the cap money for this season. Who cares. Knicks have a few big contracts but other than Noah they are pros helping the kids learn the ropes. Lee makes chump change compared to everyone else.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
At the same time obsessing or dreading his contract is just as strange. Hes harmless. His deal wont kill the Knicks at all for all we know the Knicks could have dumped him at the deadline for spare parts but chose not to because hes a good locker room guy and a pro on the court.
For all this talk of wanting to tank and wait for 2019 some of you sure do obsess over the cap money for this season. Who cares. Knicks have a few big contracts but other than Noah they are pros helping the kids learn the ropes. Lee makes chump change compared to everyone else.
Lee is the third worst of the three contracts, but that's still half of a max that's tied up in a bench player.
I'd say Harris close to his floor. Knox is bigger, longer, more athletic, and far less polished going into college.
at this very moment if knlx does not improve at all i see tobias harris, i hope he improves and beckmes better than harris
Wouldn't averaging 19 PPG as a 25 year old be a fantastic outcome for the 9 pick in the draft? Harris might not be an all star but a really good player. He's shooting 40% from 3, a few assists per game, not a bad defender by any means. Pretty solid guarding 4s.
In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys arent crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster cant argue that. Hes also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...
I didn't realize that Harris had such a strong season last year. 19PPG on fantastic percentages.
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There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith.
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring.
I don't see how a SG on a short deal, that plays solid defense coming off of a season where he had .45/.41/.92 shooting splits is unmovable. $12 million per year is nothing in today's NBA. Lee is the 21st highest paid 2 guard in the league, and the next 9 guys are within $2 million of him.
12 million is not nothing now that the cap is not going up like it was. He's not that good and he's getting starter money. There just aren't that many teams that will want to pay him that money.
As has been stated, it's not a big deal to hold him and he's a good veteran presence for the team. But I'm not holding out any hope that he's gonna get traded any time soon. Maybe next year, when he's expiring.
There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith.
It didn't appear bad at the time but we arent judging his contract based on when it was signed, we have to judge it in the present. There is going to be a correction with how contracts are signed going forward. Teams didn't have to pay their best players $35-40M maxes when Lee was signed. Going forward I don't think every half decent center will be making $15M+ going forward. Likewise, I don't think 30-year old average shooting guards will be making $12M a year either.
And I'm not yelling at lee or the Knicks for his contract. Im saying given the current state of the NBA, I don't see a scenario where we get off Lee's deal for nothing.
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There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith.
It didn't appear bad at the time but we arent judging his contract based on when it was signed, we have to judge it in the present. There is going to be a correction with how contracts are signed going forward. Teams didn't have to pay their best players $35-40M maxes when Lee was signed. Going forward I don't think every half decent center will be making $15M+ going forward. Likewise, I don't think 30-year old average shooting guards will be making $12M a year either.
And I'm not yelling at lee or the Knicks for his contract. Im saying given the current state of the NBA, I don't see a scenario where we get off Lee's deal for nothing.
the cap is going up again by 10 million in 19
"Knicks fans may have to endure "The Process" for one more year, especially with Porzingis injured. But by 2019 they could be ready to turn it around -- a la the Sixers -- with a healthy Porzingis, a more experienced Knox, and potentially, a big-time free agent like Irving."
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That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020?
Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?
That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020?
Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?
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Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean?
That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020?
Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?
everything you said yes
With KP, is there anything the Knicks can do to keep Porzingis for 2020? Does the NBA have a Franchise Player tag or something similar or with KP have the ability to walk to another team without any restrictions.
He'll probably start as a 3 and move to a 4 in small ball lineups.
Good luck defending Knox and KP at the 4 and 5.
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Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean?
That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020?
Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?
everything you said yes
With KP, is there anything the Knicks can do to keep Porzingis for 2020? Does the NBA have a Franchise Player tag or something similar or with KP have the ability to walk to another team without any restrictions.
the qualifying offer is basically a franchise tag, he will technically be a restricted free agent he is signing an extension that off season at the latest...
most likely henis going to wait u til next off season because it maxkmizes the cap space to add irving
The entire process I thought they would take Bridges, but Knox was the better choice because of his upside.
The Knicks seem to have the right plan, but jury is still out on Perry/Mills eye for talent.
After last night, I feel like Lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year and then possibly moves on.
The entire process I thought they would take Bridges, but Knox was the better choice because of his upside.
The Knicks seem to have the right plan, but jury is still out on Perry/Mills eye for talent.
After last night, I feel like Lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year and then possibly moves on.
I wanted Porter but I completely understand the Knox selection. They went for youth and upside which is exactly what I want them to target. The Robinson selection was a great gamble. Talent alone he should have gone earlier. If he puts in the work and they develop him then the Knicks could have a very good young center to develop along with KP, Frank, and Knox. Hopefully Robinson is sent to the D-League in order to receive playing time to develop his game.
Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.
In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.
Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.
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Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.
In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.
Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.
That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.
At 36.. no-brainer
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By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.
By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.
Things are headed in the right direction, despite the reflexive doom and gloom of the media and may fans. I'm not counting on Kyrie - though I think it's possible - but KP, Knox, Frank and a lottery pick next year is the most young talent the Knicks will have had in decades.
Joakim Noah has $18.5M in 2018 and $19.3M in 2019, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.
Courtney Lee has $12.2M in 2018 and $12.8M in 2019, similar to Noah, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.
Lance Thomas has $7.1M in 2018 but has a non-guaranteed 2019 contract of $7.5M. Might be best to hold onto him for one year and then not pick up his 2019 contract to free up salary cap space.
Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.
In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys arent crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster cant argue that. Hes also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...
You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.
Is there any chance Kanter turns down 18.6 million for next season?
Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.
will be really interesting to see what mills and perry do this off season...
i dont expect any big contrwcts bjt it will be interesting what vets they bring in...
for example are they going to bring in a guy like jarrett jack or they going to let the young kids play, beasley?
will fiz give big minutes to lee and thomas?
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They arent going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isnt coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts.
In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys arent crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster cant argue that. Hes also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...
You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.
It was pretty interesting that most of the players took Noah's side against Hornacek after their scuffle.
It isn't tanking. They just don't have good players and have no path to add any before next year.
I'm sure there will be some top end talent.
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Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry.
In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.
Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.
That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.
All three trades were baffling. Toronto did handstands when they realized that some idiot was willing to trade a 1st (an unprotected 1st at that) in addition to Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and two seconds for Bargnani.
Doesnt this mean the Knicks should try being as bad as they can to land one of the few good players?
We have a full slate of draft picks going forward and hopefully this new administration doesn't mortgage the future for quick rebuild opportunities.
NBA sent a memo to teams about this. Supposedly it's going to happen in 2021.
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
Awful team and they better reign in THjr and not let him 8-24 us to a few wins.
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
Lance Thomas (non-guaranteed 2019), Emmanuel Mudia and Ron Baker come off the books in Summer 2019, which would free up $19 million. Plus Noah and Lee would both be in the last year of their contracts, freeing up $32 million in 2020.
That's the slot for two Max Contracts in the Summer of 2020.
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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
Awful team and they better reign in THjr and not let him 8-24 us to a few wins.
nightmare scenario is Kanter, Hardawy, Lee, and even Noah getting enough minutes to win a handful of extra games. Although throwing Noah's corpse out there might help us lose more often.
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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams
Lance Thomas (non-guaranteed 2019), Emmanuel Mudia and Ron Baker come off the books in Summer 2019, which would free up $19 million. Plus Noah and Lee would both be in the last year of their contracts, freeing up $32 million in 2020.
That's the slot for two Max Contracts in the Summer of 2020.
depending on when (and if) he signs, KP's extension is going to impact future cap space.
That would still leave near two max player contracts for 2020 once Noah, Thomas, Lee, Mudia and Baker are off the books. That's $51 million total.
KP, two MAX level players, Knox, Robinson, Dotson, Ntilikina, 2019 lottery pick and Hardaway Jr would make a solid 9 player core in 2020 season.
Then Hardaway's $19 million comes off the books in the summer of 2021 and the Knicks can use that spot to add another piece.
Hopefully they'll be patient for two years to free up the cap space.
I'm happy with Knox too. Porter was just too much of a health risk given the Knicks situation. When a 19 year old has trouble getting out of bed during the most important time of his career, thats a major major red flag.
I hope they stay the course and really commit to the young guys this year. Don't sign any long term FAs and hopefully find a taker for Lee and Hardaway if anyone wants him.
With the new lottery odds flattened for next year, if they fall in the bottom 3 all teams have a equal 14% shot at the top pick. The Knicks will surely be a bottom 5 team.
Things are looking up...
As of right now ugly on paper.
no one really knows the real story, some spexulated western kentuxky offered him money and when they didnt pay he left...
some say his grades were dog shit so coukdnt get into a big school...
he claims he jusg wanted to take the year and concentrate on being ready for the next level
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
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In next years draft?
As of right now ugly on paper.
I thought it was expected to be strong at the top but weak overall? Of course the year the Knicks likely will have a top 5 pick the class is bad...
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
Where are you seeing this? Itll be interesting from a perspective of what theyll do with randle. If they sign him long term that impedes some of that cap space.
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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
Where are you seeing this? Itll be interesting from a perspective of what theyll do with randle. If they sign him long term that impedes some of that cap space.
magic basically said we may not sign multiple guys but we have a plan a and b and that could mean 2019
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?
I think PG13 stays in OKC.
Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.
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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?
I think PG13 stays in OKC.
Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.
Windbag says 51% LA and 40% Cleveland and 9% Philly for Lebron as of now.
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everyone thiught would be moving on are just going to stay where theh are..
rumors paul george is going to take a 1 plus 1 deal with okc...
rc buford said he plans to keep kawhi for a long time and make things right...
cavs and lebron seem to be talking...
and lakers are saying if 18 doesnt work they will save money and go to 19...
I really cant see Lebron staying in Cleveland. That roster is really devoid of talent. I think he ends up in Philly. Maybe he ops in for 1 more year? Knicks go after him in 2019?
I think PG13 stays in OKC.
Kawhi who knows. This whole saga has really hurt his reputation in my opinion. I can never view the guy the same again.
i just cant see him going to la wothout pg or kawhi...
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Wish we couldve nabbed Duval. Sort of surprised he wasnt drafted by anyone.
CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma
That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.
The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.
CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma
That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.
The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.
if cp3 goes with him yes i can see that, i just dont think he goes by himself
CP3
Lebron
Ingram
Randle
Kuzma
That's a good 5 along with Hart, Wagner and whatever they would get back for Ball. They would still have the ammo to trade for Kawhi or sign him in 2019.
The only issue is that he's relying on some really young unproven guys on the Lakers. I think the Philly situation gives him a better chance to beat the warriors.
Ehhh I dont know how I feel about that team. I still dont think that sniffs GS and LA is sacrificing future prospects to lose to GS right now. CP3 is getting up there and he was shaky against GS before he got hurt.
And I really think if you can't match GS's star power (e.g. PG, Kawhi and Bron) you need a stout line of defense. Randle is a good individual defender but not a rim protector. Kuzma is pretty awful on defense. He's talented but I think he is a 6th man. C
maybe not long term but i can definitely see pg giving it 1 more year...
if you are okc and he leaves do you trade westbrook and completely start over?