So the Knicks came away with
SF/PF Kevin Knox II (Kentucky)
C Mitchell Robinson (USA) - I'm so excited to see him play
And......
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Knicks and Allonzo Trier have agreed to a two-way contract, sources confirm:
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League source on #Knicks' pick Mitchell Robinson: "Elite athleticism/length, elite rim protector, very raw offensively and average feel for the game. Can’t help the Knicks offensively until year 2 or 3 at least."
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In comment 13997031 bceagle05 said:
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Of course there's progress. Team is getting younger, cheaper and more talented, and has a coach who's Red Auerbach compared to Hornacek, Rambis and Fisher.
But there's always evil lurking - if Kanter opts out and we give him a 2-3 year deal, I'll strangle someone.
according to begely knicks have told agents no long term deals
To me this is incredibly dumb if they are actually telling agents this. This would incentivize Kanter to opt in. I guess who cares if we are tanking. But this would probably rule out Randle as a FA target.
Don't want to win more games then we have to next season, but I think Favors is a great fit with KP. Can test him out on a 1 year deal. He came up big for the Jazz in the OKC series and I think playing with Gobert was a really rough fit for him.
The Knicks are actually doing the smart thing.
No one REALLY believes that Kanter will opt out. He and his agent aren't dumb- only a small handful of teams have cap space- and they aren't going to use it on a well below average defensive C who is basically a rebound expert.
By picking Knox, the Knicks are getting a player who likely will NOT be a rotation regular for the first half of the season. That reduces the chances of improvement.
By starting Thomas, they will give up scoring on the wing, leaving the two G to lead the team. That generally doesn't win you a lot of games unless you are Portland.
The goal is to get as high a pick as they can. Play substandard vets and rely on the G to score- sounds like 60 losses for sure- and that's a good thing.
When Zinger comes back in 2019, he will have a high pick to play with, a team with cap space to grab at least one difference-making FA, and hopefully the young players will have developed to give depth. That is how you build a contending team- not constantly digging a hole by adding only slightly above average vets (i.e.- Randle) on huge contracts.
Yet here we are with millions locked up in Noah, Hardaway, Lee and Thomas.
Fuck.
But for all the wrong reasons
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
3 years and $36M is a pretty bad contract for a bench guard. It’s not his basketball ability which makes him untraceable, it’s that he has a bad contract
try 2 years 24 million
The NBA draft is now about teenagers, yes. No more guys who dominated at college level for 2-3 years. On one hand it's terrible as you have to wait (and hope) for guys to develop. On the other you're more likely to get a stud further down ala the Greek Freak who was available at 15.
who is asking for a lottery pick?
you realize a team like gs or houston or cleveland if lebron stays can not use the kid level so a guy like lee for an expiring would be a bargain for them...
even boston cant really use the mid level...
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That’s still twice as long as a deal that a team was reportedly willing to part with a lottery pick to get rid of.
who is asking for a lottery pick?
you realize a team like gs or houston or cleveland if lebron stays can not use the kid level so a guy like lee for an expiring would be a bargain for them...
even boston cant really use the mid level...
Team's like GS or Houston don't need Courtney Lee.
I'm saying DEN was looking to trade their pick to get rid of Faried. I'm not going to sit here and pretend Lee is incredibly more useful than Faried to a contender. What is the last player of similar contract length to be flat out dumped? Woj was reporting EXACTLY this at the trade deadline. With the current structure of the buyout market you can get a player of similar caliber to Lee for the minimum before the playoffs start. Why the hell does it make any sense to commit $25M over the next two years when you can assuredly pick one up for $2M for half a season. It makes 0 logical sense. It's just dumb.
gerald green was playing overseas...
greg monroe was flat out bought out because he was terrible..
shane larkin was playing overseas...
you think if knicks called up boston and said we will give you lee for an expiring contract they say no?
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
I don't see much downside with Knox. He's already a decently polished scorer at 18. Once he grows into his body a bit more and develops a feel for the NBA game, he can be really really good, all star level eventually. I probably would have taken Bridges just because I feel like his bust potential is almost zero, but clearly the upside is much higher with Knox. Bridges is also 2 inches shorter, and a lesser athlete.
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and Joe Johnson for pennies. Boston picked up Greg Monroe and Shane Larkin for pennies. Lee's contract look atrocious in comparison, why make the commitment?
gerald green was playing overseas...
greg monroe was flat out bought out because he was terrible..
shane larkin was playing overseas...
you think if knicks called up boston and said we will give you lee for an expiring contract they say no?
Absolutely. You think Ainge would be willing to add Lee's deal with all their contracts in place and all the guards they have hitting FA in the next year? Lee's $12M will add more than just $12M with all the luxury tax they will have to pay. Ainge doesn't do dumb shit like that.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
What contender has given a 2 year MLE to a bench player? Contenders consistently find guys like this for vet mins and buyouts, they don't tie up future cap dollars on their bench. And the Cavs are an anomaly.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
it is 2 years 24 million, how is it any worse than giving a player a two year contract at the mid levrl? oh and it also hard caps you
What contender has given a 2 year MLE to a bench player? Contenders consistently find guys like this for vet mins and buyouts, they don't tie up future cap dollars on their bench. And the Cavs are an anomaly.
that is because most contending teams cant because of the hard cap
I don't think it's necessarily a knock, I think they just appreciate Knox's upside more and the long term approach to building. I think the goal is to play KP at the 5 in stretches and Knox would be a great 4 when they go small.
huh? the only way a team gets a hard cap is if they use the mid
level, so yes they can trade for lee
probably more 2/3 than 3/4 also...
knox fit the knicms better than bridges
...Knicks made the winners list.
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Lee has no use for teams that aren't contending. Im sorry he is a Knicks player that averages more than 10 points per game. He just isn't that useful to many teams in the league.
huh? the only way a team gets a hard cap is if they use the mid
level, so yes they can trade for lee
They won't. Unless they're getting compensated with a pick or prospect. Just watch.
Seriously. And it seems like they actually have a plan and a vision.
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
he should embrace being a spark plug go out and score type player off the bench, that is his best role..
i dont think he will ha e to worry tk much about protecting the rim, new nba not many guys who play the 4 that are just going to post you up...
plus he is only 18 wont turn 19 until august he has plenty of time to add weight if needed...
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring.
would have been nice to have our own #2 as well.
Can't defend the rim, that's not really his role. I think in time he can handle 4s. Needs to get tougher and stronger but again he is incredibly young. Physically he reminds me of Tobias Harris, he got pretty jacked since college. I think he is a better shooter but more raw as an interior scorer, but that's sort of the player/role I see him playing as.
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thanks, got it, and I haven't seen much of Knox, but Bridges looks like a player who can excel in open court and transition. As a 4 can Knox muscle in the paint, rebound, and defend the rim? I understand he's all about the potential: does he have the body and the will?
Can't defend the rim, that's not really his role. I think in time he can handle 4s. Needs to get tougher and stronger but again he is incredibly young. Physically he reminds me of Tobias Harris, he got pretty jacked since college. I think he is a better shooter but more raw as an interior scorer, but that's sort of the player/role I see him playing as.
1 difference tobias is more of a midrange iso scorer, i dont see knox being that...
he likes to run off screens and play off the ball more rather than iso
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at this very moment if knlx does not improve at all i see tobias harris, i hope he improves and beckmes better than harris
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i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard
he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers.
no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away
Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring.
I don't see how a SG on a short deal, that plays solid defense coming off of a season where he had .45/.41/.92 shooting splits is unmovable. $12 million per year is nothing in today's NBA. Lee is the 21st highest paid 2 guard in the league, and the next 9 guys are within $2 million of him.
At the same time obsessing or dreading his contract is just as strange. He’s harmless. His deal won’t kill the Knicks at all for all we know the Knicks could have dumped him at the deadline for spare parts but chose not to because he’s a good locker room guy and a pro on the court.
For all this talk of wanting to tank and wait for 2019 some of you sure do obsess over the cap money for this season. Who cares. Knicks have a few big contracts but other than Noah they are pros helping the kids learn the ropes. Lee makes chump change compared to everyone else.
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Courtney Lee and his contract is such a strange move.
At the same time obsessing or dreading his contract is just as strange. He’s harmless. His deal won’t kill the Knicks at all for all we know the Knicks could have dumped him at the deadline for spare parts but chose not to because he’s a good locker room guy and a pro on the court.
For all this talk of wanting to tank and wait for 2019 some of you sure do obsess over the cap money for this season. Who cares. Knicks have a few big contracts but other than Noah they are pros helping the kids learn the ropes. Lee makes chump change compared to everyone else.
Lee is the third worst of the three contracts, but that's still half of a max that's tied up in a bench player.