NFT: Thoughts on the Knicks Draft?

In comment 13997260 giantsfan44ab said:

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are almost identical to Harris's Link - ( New Window )

I'd say Harris close to his floor. Knox is bigger, longer, more athletic, and far less polished going into college.

In comment 13997263 nygiants16 said:

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saying they will wait until 2019 if no one wants to come this year... at this very moment if knlx does not improve at all i see tobias harris, i hope he improves and beckmes better than harris

Wouldn't averaging 19 PPG as a 25 year old be a fantastic outcome for the 9 pick in the draft? Harris might not be an all star but a really good player. He's shooting 40% from 3, a few assists per game, not a bad defender by any means. Pretty solid guarding 4s.

and given the importance of those things I can see him being something more. Harris is stronger and a better rebounder and that allows him to not get exposed at the 4. Knox needs to develop in those areas. But I am not going to be disappointing if he is "only" as good as Harris.

They aren�t going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isn�t coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts.

In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys aren�t crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster can�t argue that. He�s also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...

In comment 13997281 giantsfan44ab said:

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and given the importance of those things I can see him being something more. Harris is stronger and a better rebounder and that allows him to not get exposed at the 4. Knox needs to develop in those areas. But I am not going to be disappointing if he is "only" as good as Harris.

I didn't realize that Harris had such a strong season last year. 19PPG on fantastic percentages.

In comment 13997257 Anakim said:

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Really wouldn't mind if the Knicks signed him to a two-way contract. Trier is a nice gamble, I think. Kornet and Hicks are garbage.

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If Knox turns out to be good I hope KP drops his aversion to playing the 5. Knox spacing the floor with him will open up lanes and force teams to not play many 5�s.

is silly when you're not understanding where his contract fits in the league-wide scope. He's got the 22nd biggest contract in the league for shooting guards, right next to tony snell, dion waiters, and tyler johnson.

There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith.

In comment 13997266 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 13997249 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 13997233 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13997229 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 13997122 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13997112 Heisenberg said: Quote: . i dont think that is true at all, on a good team he is a very good bench guard he's been on the block for a bag of donuts for over a year with no takers. no true, very well known knicks were asking for a 1st for him last year and werent looking to just give him away Look, I like the player, not the contract. But the reality is that he's basically gonna be unmovable until he's an expiring. I don't see how a SG on a short deal, that plays solid defense coming off of a season where he had .45/.41/.92 shooting splits is unmovable. $12 million per year is nothing in today's NBA. Lee is the 21st highest paid 2 guard in the league, and the next 9 guys are within $2 million of him.

12 million is not nothing now that the cap is not going up like it was. He's not that good and he's getting starter money. There just aren't that many teams that will want to pay him that money.

As has been stated, it's not a big deal to hold him and he's a good veteran presence for the team. But I'm not holding out any hope that he's gonna get traded any time soon. Maybe next year, when he's expiring.

In comment 13997291 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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is silly when you're not understanding where his contract fits in the league-wide scope. He's got the 22nd biggest contract in the league for shooting guards, right next to tony snell, dion waiters, and tyler johnson. There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith.

It didn't appear bad at the time but we arent judging his contract based on when it was signed, we have to judge it in the present. There is going to be a correction with how contracts are signed going forward. Teams didn't have to pay their best players $35-40M maxes when Lee was signed. Going forward I don't think every half decent center will be making $15M+ going forward. Likewise, I don't think 30-year old average shooting guards will be making $12M a year either.

And I'm not yelling at lee or the Knicks for his contract. Im saying given the current state of the NBA, I don't see a scenario where we get off Lee's deal for nothing.

Lee is not an asset or a liability. The right team / timing (IE after an injury) might give us a future 2nd round pick for him at the very least we could get someone to take him for a future 2nd round pick. But unless there is a max player that we want coming our way there is no need to do that. It's not a horrible thing to have some vets on your young team with good character.

In comment 13997298 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13997291 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: is silly when you're not understanding where his contract fits in the league-wide scope. He's got the 22nd biggest contract in the league for shooting guards, right next to tony snell, dion waiters, and tyler johnson. There's a better and more solid argument that courtney lee is underpaid considering that he's better than those players. JR Smith has a $57m contract, 11 more than Lee. Lee's a flat out better player and teammate than Smith. It didn't appear bad at the time but we arent judging his contract based on when it was signed, we have to judge it in the present. There is going to be a correction with how contracts are signed going forward. Teams didn't have to pay their best players $35-40M maxes when Lee was signed. Going forward I don't think every half decent center will be making $15M+ going forward. Likewise, I don't think 30-year old average shooting guards will be making $12M a year either. And I'm not yelling at lee or the Knicks for his contract. Im saying given the current state of the NBA, I don't see a scenario where we get off Lee's deal for nothing.

the cap is going up again by 10 million in 19

In comment 13997200 giantsfan44ab said:

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Lee has no use for teams that aren't contending. Im sorry he is a Knicks player that averages more than 10 points per game. He just isn't that useful to many teams in the league.

I suppose you mean he's useful but not at that price.

"The Knicks drafted Kentucky's Kevin Knox with an eye toward making the franchise "attractive" to free agents in 2019 -- most notably New Jersey native Kyrie Irving."

"Knicks fans may have to endure "The Process" for one more year, especially with Porzingis injured. But by 2019 they could be ready to turn it around -- a la the Sixers -- with a healthy Porzingis, a more experienced Knox, and potentially, a big-time free agent like Irving."
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130 oress conference with draft picks, not sure if on tv but i saw it will be on facebook

Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean?

That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020?

Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?

Knicks had signed both Luke Kornet and Isaiah Hicks to 2 way contracts last year. Are they free agents or does the Knicks still control their rights?

In comment 13997323 NYG27 said:

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Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean? That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020? Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit?

everything you said yes

In comment 13997328 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13997323 NYG27 said: Quote: Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean? That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020? Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit? everything you said yes

With KP, is there anything the Knicks can do to keep Porzingis for 2020? Does the NBA have a Franchise Player tag or something similar or with KP have the ability to walk to another team without any restrictions.

sake, is Knox going to play the 3 or 4? I heard differing opinions. Many think he's a modern-4, while others think he's strictly a wing.

In comment 13997332 Anakim said:

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sake, is Knox going to play the 3 or 4? I heard differing opinions. Many think he's a modern-4, while others think he's strictly a wing.

He'll probably start as a 3 and move to a 4 in small ball lineups.

Good luck defending Knox and KP at the 4 and 5.

In comment 13997331 NYG27 said:

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In comment 13997328 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13997323 NYG27 said: Quote: Porzingis is listed in 2019/2020 season of having a $7.5 million Qualifying Offer, what does that mean? That the Knicks extend the offer to him, KP gets $7.5 million in 2019 for the team to retain his rights but he becomes a free agent in 2020? Plus what does Non-Guaranteed mean NBA Salary Cap wise. Lance Thomas as a Non-Guaranteed 2019/2020 contract for $7.5 million. Is this like a team option, where they can cut Thomas in 2019 without any salary cap hit? everything you said yes With KP, is there anything the Knicks can do to keep Porzingis for 2020? Does the NBA have a Franchise Player tag or something similar or with KP have the ability to walk to another team without any restrictions.

the qualifying offer is basically a franchise tag, he will technically be a restricted free agent he is signing an extension that off season at the latest...

most likely henis going to wait u til next off season because it maxkmizes the cap space to add irving

I liked the Knox pick. A lot of Knick fans wanted Porter, but the Knicks can't take that risk and after Amare and LJ, they know what a back can do to a career.

The entire process I thought they would take Bridges, but Knox was the better choice because of his upside.

The Knicks seem to have the right plan, but jury is still out on Perry/Mills eye for talent.

After last night, I feel like Lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year and then possibly moves on.

In comment 13997365 Pete44 said:

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I liked the Knox pick. A lot of Knick fans wanted Porter, but the Knicks can't take that risk and after Amare and LJ, they know what a back can do to a career. The entire process I thought they would take Bridges, but Knox was the better choice because of his upside. The Knicks seem to have the right plan, but jury is still out on Perry/Mills eye for talent. After last night, I feel like Lebron stays in Cleveland for one more year and then possibly moves on.

I wanted Porter but I completely understand the Knox selection. They went for youth and upside which is exactly what I want them to target. The Robinson selection was a great gamble. Talent alone he should have gone earlier. If he puts in the work and they develop him then the Knicks could have a very good young center to develop along with KP, Frank, and Knox. Hopefully Robinson is sent to the D-League in order to receive playing time to develop his game.

Enes Kanter, Kyle O'Quinn and Ron Baker all had 2018 Players Options for 2018. Anyone know which of them have elected to pick up their options or become free agents?

Kanter has yet to declare one way or another - I'm guessing the deadline is sometime in the next week.

In comment 13996993 Jim in Fairfax said:

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Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry. In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani.

Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.

In comment 13997376 TJ said:

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In comment 13996993 Jim in Fairfax said: Quote: Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry. In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani. Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that.

That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.

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At 36.. no-brainer
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We have to suck for one more year. That's the process.
By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.

In comment 13997391 Csonka said:

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We have to suck for one more year. That's the process. By 6/2019 KP is healthy, Knox has developed, we get a lottery pick, and add Kyrie.

Things are headed in the right direction, despite the reflexive doom and gloom of the media and may fans. I'm not counting on Kyrie - though I think it's possible - but KP, Knox, Frank and a lottery pick next year is the most young talent the Knicks will have had in decades.

Salary Cap wise, if Kanter opts out, we're not in that bad of a shape if they bite the bullet for 2 year. They just need to wait out the contract of their three 30+ year old players.

Joakim Noah has $18.5M in 2018 and $19.3M in 2019, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.

Courtney Lee has $12.2M in 2018 and $12.8M in 2019, similar to Noah, it will be a very difficult contract to get out of.

Lance Thomas has $7.1M in 2018 but has a non-guaranteed 2019 contract of $7.5M. Might be best to hold onto him for one year and then not pick up his 2019 contract to free up salary cap space.

paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out.

Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.

Better late than never

In comment 13997283 djm said:

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They aren�t going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isn�t coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts. In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys aren�t crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster can�t argue that. He�s also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so...

You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.

In comment 13997399 DanMetroMan said:

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paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out.

Is there any chance Kanter turns down 18.6 million for next season?

In comment 13997399 DanMetroMan said:

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paper the Knicks should suck this year. Praying Kanter opts out. Baker, Burke, Thomas, Troy Williams, Robinson, Knox, Frank, Mudiay, Lee, THjr, Dotson... you can't even fake the "well they could challenge for the playoffs" with this roster. Lose baby lose.

will be really interesting to see what mills and perry do this off season...

i dont expect any big contrwcts bjt it will be interesting what vets they bring in...

for example are they going to bring in a guy like jarrett jack or they going to let the young kids play, beasley?

will fiz give big minutes to lee and thomas?

In comment 13997402 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 13997283 djm said: Quote: They aren�t going anywhere now anyway. Lebron isn�t coming here this summer with or without those bad contracts. In 2 years they will be done here. Lee is a pro that sets a good example. Same with thomas. These guys aren�t crippling things here at all. Noah was a disaster can�t argue that. He�s also a piece of shit lazy fuck. Was it asking so much for the guy to keep himself in shape? Guess so... You may not like him, but I have to correct you on one thing. Noah is far from a piece of shit. Very very good guy. One of the nicest people in the entire NBA and has been that way since his 2nd year in college.

It was pretty interesting that most of the players took Noah's side against Hornacek after their scuffle.

Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.

In comment 13997407 Pete44 said:

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Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.

It isn't tanking. They just don't have good players and have no path to add any before next year.

I'm sure there will be some top end talent.

the only "tank" they need to do is not play Kanter 35 minutes a night, not play Lee 30 minutes a night etc. The talent sucks.

In comment 13997382 NoGainDayne said:

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In comment 13997376 TJ said: Quote: In comment 13996993 Jim in Fairfax said: Quote: Isiah did trade away a pile of picks though. 2 firsts went for Marbury and another 2 went for Eddie Curry. In between Walsh and the Zen Master regimes, Glen Grunwald dealt a #1 for Bargnani. Two firsts for Eddie Curry. I had managed to forget about that. There should be a special place n hell for the man who did that. That wasn't a trade, it was a theft.

All three trades were baffling. Toronto did handstands when they realized that some idiot was willing to trade a 1st (an unprotected 1st at that) in addition to Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and two seconds for Bargnani.

The Knicks are a very bad team. The good news is that the Knicks can use this season as an evaluation year. They will develop Frank, Knox, and Robinson and hope that Mudiay and Burke play well enough and improve to become valuable long term contributors.

In comment 13997407 Pete44 said:

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Next year's draft at this point is very weak. That can change as players always surprise, but by all accounts, it might a historically weak draft.

Doesn�t this mean the Knicks should try being as bad as they can to land one of the few good players?

for next year's draft, though, in which case you'll also have a bunch of high school seniors eligible, deepening the draft pool.

Knicks had traded away their second round picks in 2019, 2020 and 2021. Although they are also receiving second round picks in each of those three draft (Thanks Willy Hernangomez).

We have a full slate of draft picks going forward and hopefully this new administration doesn't mortgage the future for quick rebuild opportunities.

hope they go after Kyle Anderson and Van Vleet.

In comment 13997420 Greg from LI said:

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for next year's draft, though, in which case you'll also have a bunch of high school seniors eligible, deepening the draft pool.

NBA sent a memo to teams about this. Supposedly it's going to happen in 2021.

year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in):
Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams

In comment 13997440 Enzo said:

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year barring any trades. We have 14 guys who are either assured of spots or at least very likely to make the team (assuming Kanter opts in): Baker, Burke, Dotson, Hardaway, Kanter, Knox, Lee, Mudiay, Noah, Frank, KP, Robinson, Lance, Troy Williams

Awful team and they better reign in THjr and not let him 8-24 us to a few wins.