for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Yankees Talk 6-22 Best team in baseball???

superspynyg : 6/22/2018 8:30 am
You better believe it!

Just looking at the numbers the Yanks are the best team in baseball. There are 3 teams with 50 wins (Stros, Sux and Yanks) of those teams the Stros were the first to 50 wins by 1 day. (Yanks and Sux both won 50th the day after). But if you look at the numbers the Yanks have done it playing the least amount of games:

Yanks 50-22 72 total games that gives the Yanks a .694 win %
Astros 50-26 for 76 games with a .658 win %
Red Sux 50-26 for 76 games with a .658 win %

That means the Yanks did it in 4 less games. The Yanks have had several games rained out this year and had the Yanks played those games they would have won 1 or 2 of those games and got to 50 wins either before the Stros or on the same day as the Stros. Plus the Yanks are 3-3 in 6 games vs the Sux (a team with a good starting rotation with Sale, Price and Porcello and really good lineup with Betts, Martinez, Bogaerts) and 5-2 record vs the Astros (who have a great rotation in Verlander, Cole and Morton and a fantastic lineup with stars Correa, Altuve, Springer).

We have a number of walk off wins and a very solid bull pen. Our lineup has 5 players with more than 14 hrs each(including a rookie).

BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL!!

The team has already said they are going after starting pitching at the deadline (or before). JA Happ has been a name I have heard. I know he is having a good year but he is a 35 year old journeyman pitcher who is a UFA next year and I do not want to give up any good prospects for a half year rental. But the SP market is not good this year.

We now go into a weekend series in Tampa Bay and then play the now struggling Phillies. So lets go Yanks keep it up!!!
Head to head  
joeinpa : 6/22/2018 8:45 am : link
Money on line, I d take Astros
JA Happ would be a good add  
Ryan in Albany : 6/22/2018 9:00 am : link
but NOT for Frazier. I'll be sick if they trade Frazier for a 3 month rental.
Yankees definitley keep finding way to win  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2018 9:01 am : link
expecially against great teams.

Houston, however, is leading all of baseball in runs scored and team ERA. TBH, I think its very close between Houston, NYY and Boston as the best team. I just think Houston is a bit set up better for a postseason run.

That being said, I am against the Yanks giving up too much for another starter at the deadline. They are still finding ways to beat teams like Houston, Seatle and Boston and thier bullpen is among the best.

I just don't see a pitcher out there that would make a huge difference for NY, unless they give up Andujar or Torres, and that should be a dealbraker for Cashman. I would rather see how far this team can go and look to add a pitcher (if needed) in the offseason. I realize that a "championship window" can close very quick, but I don't see the need for this team to trade away big pieces in a desperate attempt to win now.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:01 am : link
No chance in hell Frazier is going to TOR in a deal for Happ.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:03 am : link
Verlander is just other-worldly. It's incredible what he's doing right now. He's even better now than he was in 2011, which was his supposed peak as a CYA winner - until he somehow got even better when he went to HOU.

The Astros are very good. Methinks we're in for another ALCS rematch.
....  
Keith : 6/22/2018 9:08 am : link
Both the Astros and Yankees are incredible teams and have a good chance to meet in the ALCS. The Astros starting staff is amazing, but the Yankees have a better lineup and bullpen, IMO. The Red Sox need to be in the discussion too, but I do think they are a notch below. However a deadline trade or an injury could change that for these teams because they are all pretty close. 3 best teams in baseball, IMO.
Astros are defending champs  
averagejoe : 6/22/2018 9:09 am : link
As long as Verlander is healthy they are the favorites . Cashman would not pick up his salary last year or Yanks would be defending champs and favorites. He is the difference. Head to head he dominates us. He will make 3 starts vs Yanks in playoffs. Yanks have to beat him to win.
How do you explain Verlander?  
Keith : 6/22/2018 9:10 am : link
Motivation? AL contender vs Detrot Tigers? Health? He looked like he was heading towards retirement with the Tigers and then he found new life.
So because the Astros won  
Keith : 6/22/2018 9:12 am : link
last year, it doesn't matter that the Yankees took them to the brink and improved as a team since? What happened last year doesn't really mean anything. They can match Verlander with Severino who is a Cy Young candidate himself.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:15 am : link
As it stands now...

NYY lineup - 15.9 fWAR (1st in MLB)
NYY starters - 7.4 fWAR (6th in MLB)
NYY bullpen - 5.1 fWAR (1st in MLB)

HOU lineup - 15.1 fWAR (3rd in MLB)
HOU starters - 10.6 fWAR (1st in MLB)
HOU bullpen - 3.9 fWAR (2nd in MLB)

Definitely on a collision course to meet again in October. Long, long ways away - but these are the two best teams in baseball right now and it would be one hell of a series.
RE: So because the Astros won  
averagejoe : 6/22/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13997034 Keith said:
Quote:
last year, it doesn't matter that the Yankees took them to the brink and improved as a team since? What happened last year doesn't really mean anything. They can match Verlander with Severino who is a Cy Young candidate himself.
Don't get me wrong. Of course I believe Yanks can beat Astro's and Verlander too. But they are still the favorites . They improved with the addition of Cole as well.
Best Hitting Team in BB - Yes  
Beer Man : 6/22/2018 9:18 am : link
Best Bullpen - Probably
Best Starting Pitching - Nope
Something else in the Yankees favor for a playoff matchup....  
Keith : 6/22/2018 9:18 am : link
You don't need or use 5 starters in the playoffs. You only need 3. So we don't need to compare 4th and 5th starters where the Astros have a huge edge in the regular season.
RE: How do you explain Verlander?  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13997030 Keith said:
Quote:
Motivation? AL contender vs Detrot Tigers? Health? He looked like he was heading towards retirement with the Tigers and then he found new life.


He started throwing his slider a lot more and started preparing differently, utilizing analytics, watching film, etc. It's crazy that those adjustments resulted in this type of turnaround. This is Pedro-esque dominance at his peak. It's pretty incredible.
RE: RE: So because the Astros won  
Keith : 6/22/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13997043 averagejoe said:
Quote:
In comment 13997034 Keith said:


Quote:


last year, it doesn't matter that the Yankees took them to the brink and improved as a team since? What happened last year doesn't really mean anything. They can match Verlander with Severino who is a Cy Young candidate himself.

Don't get me wrong. Of course I believe Yanks can beat Astro's and Verlander too. But they are still the favorites . They improved with the addition of Cole as well.


They aren't though. The Yankees are favored over the Astros, as they should be. What happened last year shouldn't really matter, we are talking about the 2018 teams.
Link - ( New Window )
I would Part with Frazier , Sheffield and Florial for Happ or Snell  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/22/2018 9:27 am : link
The Yankees still need a RELIABLE #2 behind Sevy..preferably a Left hander. Tanaka can be lights out...but like most Japanese pitchers who come here struggles with elbow issues and can only pitch ONCE in a five or seven game series. He is the #3 guy. CC is sometimes good but also sometimes bad. Too much wear on his tires. Domingo German is inexperienced but i have to tell you that Domingo has the TALENT to become the #2 but maybe not this year. I like the way he pitches with late movement on all of his breaking pitches. Sonny Gray STINKS and I have no idea what Cashman saw in this guy ,. He is a #5 starter or a mop up releiver. Yes Cashman does make MISTAKES like most of us.. but he did not want to surrender Andujar and Torres for Verlander. Losiagna is not ready for the major leagues but has talent. It seems odd to me that all of the Major league teams ask for a fortune to trade a good pitcher to the Yankees but will trade the same guy to ANY OTHER TEAM for a bail of hay. A lot of this has to do with pure Jealousy, and GMs do NOT want to be crucified by the local press by sending their top players to the Yankees. Apparently the Astros and the Red Sox are FEEL GOOD stories but the Yanks are the evil empire in collusion with Putin.
This is what insanity looks like  
wigs in nyc : 6/22/2018 9:30 am : link
.
I just LOVE posts that have randomly CAPITALIZED words  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 9:30 am : link
It really enhances THE reading experience, and CONVINCES me that the author really knows WHAT he is talking ABOUT.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:31 am : link
You would part with Frazier, Sheffield AND Florial for JA Happ?

What the fuck did I just read?
RE: RE: RE: So because the Astros won  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13997049 Keith said:
Quote:
In comment 13997043 averagejoe said:


Quote:


In comment 13997034 Keith said:


Quote:


last year, it doesn't matter that the Yankees took them to the brink and improved as a team since? What happened last year doesn't really mean anything. They can match Verlander with Severino who is a Cy Young candidate himself.

Don't get me wrong. Of course I believe Yanks can beat Astro's and Verlander too. But they are still the favorites . They improved with the addition of Cole as well.



They aren't though. The Yankees are favored over the Astros, as they should be. What happened last year shouldn't really matter, we are talking about the 2018 teams. Link - ( New Window )


2018 Pitching Stats - Top 3 starters only

Houston:
Verlander - 1.60 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 130 SOs
Cole - 2.59 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, 138 SOs
Morton - 2.74 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 109 SOs

NYY:
Severino - 2.24 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, 123 SOs
Sabathia - 3.30 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 57 SOs
Tanaka - 4.58 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 73 SOs

Houston obviously has the edge, right now, and it has nothing to do with last years win. Who knows how German and Loaisiga will pan out over the season though, and the Yanks can still pull out victories despite being behind when it comes to starting pitching.
It seems to me  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2018 9:41 am : link
That the Yankees starting lineup is set up to be good or possibly dominate in the next few years. That's IF German, Laoisiga, and Sheffield continue to improve.

The big question is, do you put all your eggs into this season's basket and trade away good young hitting for a slightly better chance to win this year? Or do you keep the pieces we have, hoping its enough to compete this season and hope the young pitchers improve enough to completely change the rotation next year?

Either way Cashman and the Yanks will be taking a chance.
RE: It seems to me  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 13997082 Pete in 'Vliet said:
Quote:
That the Yankees starting lineup is set up to be good or possibly dominate in the next few years. That's IF German, Laoisiga, and Sheffield continue to improve.

The big question is, do you put all your eggs into this season's basket and trade away good young hitting for a slightly better chance to win this year? Or do you keep the pieces we have, hoping its enough to compete this season and hope the young pitchers improve enough to completely change the rotation next year?

Either way Cashman and the Yanks will be taking a chance.


I think it would be a big mistake to start trading away a bunch of this young talent for a top-flight starter.

I would pursue a mid-level starter, but not a guy that is going to cost you a ton of young talent.

This team can be absolutely dominant for a long time if they play this right. They're good enough to contend this year as it is. They just need another starter and it doesn't have to be an ace. Don't flush away a huge window just for the sake of trying to ensure winning this year.
Home field advantage decided last year's ALCS.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2018 9:47 am : link
Let make teams knock us out in the Bronx this year.
RE: RE: It seems to me  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/22/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13997090 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 13997082 Pete in 'Vliet said:


Quote:


That the Yankees starting lineup is set up to be good or possibly dominate in the next few years. That's IF German, Laoisiga, and Sheffield continue to improve.

The big question is, do you put all your eggs into this season's basket and trade away good young hitting for a slightly better chance to win this year? Or do you keep the pieces we have, hoping its enough to compete this season and hope the young pitchers improve enough to completely change the rotation next year?

Either way Cashman and the Yanks will be taking a chance.



I think it would be a big mistake to start trading away a bunch of this young talent for a top-flight starter.

I would pursue a mid-level starter, but not a guy that is going to cost you a ton of young talent.

This team can be absolutely dominant for a long time if they play this right. They're good enough to contend this year as it is. They just need another starter and it doesn't have to be an ace. Don't flush away a huge window just for the sake of trying to ensure winning this year.


I agree with this
RE: RE: So because the Astros won  
rich in DC : 6/22/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13997043 averagejoe said:
Quote:
In comment 13997034 Keith said:


Quote:


last year, it doesn't matter that the Yankees took them to the brink and improved as a team since? What happened last year doesn't really mean anything. They can match Verlander with Severino who is a Cy Young candidate himself.

Don't get me wrong. Of course I believe Yanks can beat Astro's and Verlander too. But they are still the favorites . They improved with the addition of Cole as well.


Something not to be overlooked is the patience this team has at the plate. Remember last year how the Astros SP were about to go 8 innings on 100 pitches several times in the ALCS? Probably doesn't happen with this team.

The only two hitters who gave the Astros problems last year were Bird and Judge- with Judge working counts and getting walks. Bird was just red hot and hitting everything thrown. However, the rest of the lineup was hacking at the first strike they saw- and doing nothing.

The difference with this year's team is that they will wait for their pitch and run up the pitch totals fast- even on high end SP. Andujar doesn't walk a lot, but he is frequently in deep counts, looking at 6-7 pitches. Torres will swing a lot, but will often work the count- and can turn on anyone's FB.

We are seeing significant improvement in patience and walks from Hicks this year. Didi's OBP has jumped- and even with the TERRIBLE May he had, has a .330 OBP despite the .260 BA. Didi is on pace to double his career high in walks.

Stanton is beginning to wake up- and even with a .250 BA has a .325 OBP. When he gets back to his career norms, he will likely be around .350 OBP. Judge is Judge- K's a lot, but walks a lot.

In my mind, the wild card will be Gardner. Historically, Gardner pushes too hard during the season and is worn down by October. However, with Frazier and Stanton on hand, we can hope they give him lots of days off in July and August so he can be the scrappy guy at the top of the order.

In short, don't measure the Astros SP against LAST YEAR's Yankee lineup- measure it against this one- which is a significant improvement.

Remember, the Astros' weakness is the bullpen. If the Yanks can box their SP by the 6th, any difference in SP is negated by the Yanks being able to attack the weaker arms in the Houston pen- and the Yanks own deeper, better pen.
We aren't even half way through the season yet......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 6/22/2018 9:58 am : link
and I am waiting for any day now for Baltimore's elimination number to be added to the standings!
RE: Home field advantage decided last year's ALCS.  
rich in DC : 6/22/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13997094 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
Let make teams knock us out in the Bronx this year.


Kay cited a stat during Wednesday game about the schedule going forward.

He said that based on current records, the Yanks have the 4th EASIEST schedule in MLB going forward. Meanwhile, the teams on the Red Sox remaining schedule have a combined winning percentage right around .500- meaning that they are going to have to overachieve.

Now, none of that means anything unless the Yanks go out there and put the pedal to the metal. However, it DOES indicate that the Yanks have an edge- both in remaining schedule AND in how they have performed against the better teams.
RE: I just LOVE posts that have randomly CAPITALIZED words  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13997058 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
It really enhances THE reading experience, and CONVINCES me that the author really knows WHAT he is talking ABOUT.


Especially WHEN the post sometime ends up with A reference to COLLUDING with PUTIN
The structure and dynamic of the play offs  
joeinpa : 6/22/2018 10:16 am : link
Favors the better pitching even more so than the regular.

Yankees have the better bullpen, Astros have the better starting pitching.

We ll see.
to the Guy from LI :  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/22/2018 10:18 am : link
There is no place on this board for ENGLISH TEACHERS...this is about sports.If you cannot comment on the IDEAS being expressed KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. How do you like those caps... asshole!!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 10:19 am : link
I would bet anything on Cashman acquiring a starter at the deadline. He's 100% going to do that. He may even try to add two.

I don't think he's going to target guys like deGrom or Snell - the cost will be too high.

Tyson Ross is a guy I'd look at. He looks like he's regaining his old form and is pitching pretty well.

Happ is obvious, he's been mentioned a billion times.

Hamels has a FIP over 5 - buyer beware. I don't think I'd target him.

if LAA decide to sell, Garrett Richards is another potential target. His K/9 is better than it's been in his entire career and he's having a very solid year.
The Astros do not have a weaker pen in the playoffs  
arniefez : 6/22/2018 10:21 am : link
If they trade for a closer which I'm sure they will. They don't need 5 starters. They shut the Yankees out in Game 7 last year using two starters. Right now the Yankees bullpen is deeper. But regular season middle relievers don't matter in the playoffs. They don't pitch.
I'd bet Cash has his eyes on  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 10:27 am : link
A couple of guys off the radar right now. Guys who he's watching in case their teams fall out if it and then he swoops in before the deadline.

I'm really hoping he goes after a top LH reliever too. Locks up this pen and keeps him away from the Stros,Sux and Indians as well.

As for the best team talk, none of that matters to me now. Get home field throughout and finish as the top team when it's all over.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 10:29 am : link
I also agree that a LH reliever is probably something they'll be looking at. Shreve sucks.
RE: Something else in the Yankees favor for a playoff matchup....  
Stu11 : 6/22/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13997045 Keith said:
Quote:
You don't need or use 5 starters in the playoffs. You only need 3. So we don't need to compare 4th and 5th starters where the Astros have a huge edge in the regular season.

Yes but as we found out in game 7 last year those back end starters can come in and dominate out of the pen in a big spot. We'll see, it probably comes down to Us and the Stro's. I'm definitely happy to go to battle with what we have.
Brad Hand has to be the guy  
wigs in nyc : 6/22/2018 10:47 am : link
or someone very much in that vein. The Padres are awful, and he's a high K lefty who wouldn't have to close here.

I'd give up some decent prospects for him. Acevedo/Adams/Abreu types - am I off on the value there?
RE: Brad Hand has to be the guy  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13997189 wigs in nyc said:
Quote:
or someone very much in that vein. The Padres are awful, and he's a high K lefty who wouldn't have to close here.

I'd give up some decent prospects for him. Acevedo/Adams/Abreu types - am I off on the value there?


Hand is signed for a modest ~7M per through 2020 and has a 10M team option in 2021. I think he'll cost more than that.
RE: Brad Hand has to be the guy  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13997189 wigs in nyc said:
Quote:
or someone very much in that vein. The Padres are awful, and he's a high K lefty who wouldn't have to close here.

I'd give up some decent prospects for him. Acevedo/Adams/Abreu types - am I off on the value there?


I'm hoping this is the guy Cash targets.

I don't know if the value there matches but if the Padres are smart they could get a nice haul from the highest bidder as I'm sure the Stros would love to have him too. Hell, if I'm Cash I'd add Drury and Austin to that mix.
RE: .  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 13997064 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
You would part with Frazier, Sheffield AND Florial for JA Happ?

What the fuck did I just read?


I hope he meant OR.

I still wouldn't do that. and I like Happ a lot.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13997202 Jay in Toronto said:
Quote:
In comment 13997064 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


You would part with Frazier, Sheffield AND Florial for JA Happ?

What the fuck did I just read?



I hope he meant OR.

I still wouldn't do that. and I like Happ a lot.


I thought that was what he meant until I read (well, tried to read..) the rest of that batshit post. After seeing the Putin reference and all the other ridiculousness in there, I'm fairly certain he'd deal all 3 for Happ.

Also, re: Hand - that's the right guy to target reliever-wise, and there's also inherent value in keeping him away from Houston or the Red Sox. But I do think the price will be a bit higher than the guys suggested because he's not a rental and he's having an excellent year (sub-1 WHIP for the 2nd consecutive season)

On top of that, Hand is absolutely dominating LHB's.
RE: to the Guy from LI :  
rich in DC : 6/22/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13997148 Alwaysblue22 said:
Quote:
There is no place on this board for ENGLISH TEACHERS...this is about sports.If you cannot comment on the IDEAS being expressed KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. How do you like those caps... asshole!!!!


Some ideas- like yours- are not even worth responding to because they suck.
RE: RE: Brad Hand has to be the guy  
rich in DC : 6/22/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13997198 Eman11 said:
Quote:
In comment 13997189 wigs in nyc said:


Quote:


or someone very much in that vein. The Padres are awful, and he's a high K lefty who wouldn't have to close here.

I'd give up some decent prospects for him. Acevedo/Adams/Abreu types - am I off on the value there?



I'm hoping this is the guy Cash targets.

I don't know if the value there matches but if the Padres are smart they could get a nice haul from the highest bidder as I'm sure the Stros would love to have him too. Hell, if I'm Cash I'd add Drury and Austin to that mix.


Hands' price is going to be too high.

There was a report earlier this week that when the Red Sox called, they were told that the price for Hand was Devers plus.

I think the smarter option- and not much of a drop-off from Hand is Will Smith in SF. SF cannot take on salary, so they will be looking for ML ready minor leaguers- especially P. The Yanks are loaded there- and probably match up well with SF.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13997208 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 13997202 Jay in Toronto said:


Quote:


In comment 13997064 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


You would part with Frazier, Sheffield AND Florial for JA Happ?

What the fuck did I just read?



I hope he meant OR.

I still wouldn't do that. and I like Happ a lot.



I thought that was what he meant until I read (well, tried to read..) the rest of that batshit post. After seeing the Putin reference and all the other ridiculousness in there, I'm fairly certain he'd deal all 3 for Happ.

Also, re: Hand - that's the right guy to target reliever-wise, and there's also inherent value in keeping him away from Houston or the Red Sox. But I do think the price will be a bit higher than the guys suggested because he's not a rental and he's having an excellent year (sub-1 WHIP for the 2nd consecutive season)

On top of that, Hand is absolutely dominating LHB's.


Totally agree. Getting Hand would be a double whammy. Improve and lock down our pen while keeping him away from the rest of the AL contenders.

This is a guy I'd give up a really good package for. Combined with the above factors, he's locked up for a few more years at at reasonable salary. If they lose Robby to FA after this year, Hand steps right into a back of the pen spot next year and beyond.

Getting him makes a ton of sense all around and even though he won't come cheap, I'm sure Cash is thinking the same thing.
Why is everyone trying to blow up the Ynaks farm system  
Jeever : 6/22/2018 11:23 am : link
I could see them moving Gardy and some lower level prospects for a starter at the deadline. Frees up salary and outfield space. Cash loves dealing from a position of strength and right now our outfield is packed.
RE: Why is everyone trying to blow up the Ynaks farm system  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 13997244 Jeever said:
Quote:
I could see them moving Gardy and some lower level prospects for a starter at the deadline. Frees up salary and outfield space. Cash loves dealing from a position of strength and right now our outfield is packed.


Who is suggesting they blow up the farm system?

Most everyone is actually arguing the exact opposite.
No. The Astros are.  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/22/2018 11:26 am : link
This Yankees team is having a hell of a season and one of the most exciting Yankees teams of the last 20 years. But the Astros are the best team in baseball.

Yankees: 50-22 at +106
Astros: 50-26 at +161

Yankees have a better record, but the massive difference in run differential is a far better indicator of performance and of future success. It's no surprise given how much better the Astros rotation is.
I like our chances against Houston  
Giant John : 6/22/2018 11:41 am : link
Our starting pitching is not bad. I like our lineup better and our relief pitching is better.
In fact I like our chances against the rest of MLB. Do you hear what Im thinking!
RE: RE: RE: Brad Hand has to be the guy  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13997219 rich in DC said:
Quote:
In comment 13997198 Eman11 said:


Quote:


In comment 13997189 wigs in nyc said:


Quote:


or someone very much in that vein. The Padres are awful, and he's a high K lefty who wouldn't have to close here.

I'd give up some decent prospects for him. Acevedo/Adams/Abreu types - am I off on the value there?



I'm hoping this is the guy Cash targets.

I don't know if the value there matches but if the Padres are smart they could get a nice haul from the highest bidder as I'm sure the Stros would love to have him too. Hell, if I'm Cash I'd add Drury and Austin to that mix.



Hands' price is going to be too high.

There was a report earlier this week that when the Red Sox called, they were told that the price for Hand was Devers plus.

I think the smarter option- and not much of a drop-off from Hand is Will Smith in SF. SF cannot take on salary, so they will be looking for ML ready minor leaguers- especially P. The Yanks are loaded there- and probably match up well with SF.


Smith would be a good plan B for me.

I'd bet the Padres asked for Devers from the Sox because the Sox don't really have a lot to offer as far as their prospects go. The Yanks have a deeper richer farm system and I'd think while expensive, they'd have guys the Padres would be interested in. Same with th Stros who's system is still pretty deep.

I think if Hand is made available it'll come down to a bidding war between the Yanks and Stros. Then it's just a matter of what's too steep of a price for Cash?
.  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 11:58 am : link
If they're going to call SF about a lefty, I'd ask about Tony Watson.

He has reverse splits this year, but not in his career - so it may just be a bit of a SSS aberration. He's been excellent otherwise and is still signed through next year with a team option in '20.
RE: I would Part with Frazier , Sheffield and Florial for Happ or Snell  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13997055 Alwaysblue22 said:
Quote:
The Yankees still need a RELIABLE #2 behind Sevy..preferably a Left hander. Tanaka can be lights out...but like most Japanese pitchers who come here struggles with elbow issues and can only pitch ONCE in a five or seven game series. He is the #3 guy. CC is sometimes good but also sometimes bad. Too much wear on his tires. Domingo German is inexperienced but i have to tell you that Domingo has the TALENT to become the #2 but maybe not this year. I like the way he pitches with late movement on all of his breaking pitches. Sonny Gray STINKS and I have no idea what Cashman saw in this guy ,. He is a #5 starter or a mop up releiver. Yes Cashman does make MISTAKES like most of us.. but he did not want to surrender Andujar and Torres for Verlander. Losiagna is not ready for the major leagues but has talent. It seems odd to me that all of the Major league teams ask for a fortune to trade a good pitcher to the Yankees but will trade the same guy to ANY OTHER TEAM for a bail of hay. A lot of this has to do with pure Jealousy, and GMs do NOT want to be crucified by the local press by sending their top players to the Yankees. Apparently the Astros and the Red Sox are FEEL GOOD stories but the Yanks are the evil empire in collusion with Putin.


If you would trade any of these for those players you are not a Yankee Fan or have not been understanding what this team is building. I honestly do not see a chance in blazes for any of those 3 being moved for either of those players.
RE: How do you explain Verlander?  
GeneInCal : 6/22/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13997030 Keith said:
Quote:
Motivation? AL contender vs Detrot Tigers? Health? He looked like he was heading towards retirement with the Tigers and then he found new life.


HGH
This was funny  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 12:30 pm : link
Ichiro snuck into the Mariners dugout early in yesterday's game, taking a page out of Bobby Valentine's book



Link - ( New Window )
RE: No. The Astros are.  
BigBlueShock : 6/22/2018 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13997250 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
This Yankees team is having a hell of a season and one of the most exciting Yankees teams of the last 20 years. But the Astros are the best team in baseball.

Yankees: 50-22 at +106
Astros: 50-26 at +161

Yankees have a better record, but the massive difference in run differential is a far better indicator of performance and of future success. It's no surprise given how much better the Astros rotation is.

Run differential has absolutely no significance when we arent even at the midway point and these two teams have played completely different schedules. How is run differential against entirely different schedules/teams more significant than the the Yankees winning 5 of 7 in H2H against Houston?
Yes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 12:59 pm : link
.
Not mentioned so far but deserves mention..  
CromartiesKid21 : 6/22/2018 1:03 pm : link
The Astros also have 2 of the best prospects in baseball ready to contribute 2nd half of the season in true 5-tool OFer Kyle Tucker and likely bullpen ace in the hole for this season until he joins the staff next year in Forrest Whitley (who I think rather easily is currently the best pitching prospect in baseball)
because  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/22/2018 1:14 pm : link
performance over 72 or 76 games is far more indicative than performance over 7 games. I'm glad the Yankees are 5-2 against the Astros this season, outscoring them 27-20 (27-20). There's no denying the Yankees have beaten up on a lot of top teams with a much better record against teams over .500 compared with Houston. It has been awesome to watch the Yankees so far. And yes, the goal of the season is to win as many games as possible, not have the biggest run differential. But run differential correlates better with expected winning percentage and future winning percentage than does actual record.

It's also worth noting that per ESPN, Houston has faced a harder SOS than the Yankees (marginally so).

In the imbalanced schedule against everyone else,
Yankees: 45-20, +99
Astros: 48-21, +168

I think you are underrating the value in run differential in evaluating performance, particularly how much better the Astros have been at keeping runs off the board.

Is there a lot of baseball left to play? Of course. But it doesn't make sense to me to say that run differential should be ignored after nearly half the season in the context of discussing who the best team is in baseball nearly after nearly half the season.
RE: RE: How do you explain Verlander?  
RinR : 6/22/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13997284 GeneInCal said:
Quote:
In comment 13997030 Keith said:


Quote:


Motivation? AL contender vs Detrot Tigers? Health? He looked like he was heading towards retirement with the Tigers and then he found new life.



HGH


Kate Upton
Not for Haap, no way  
PaulN : 6/22/2018 1:20 pm : link
I part with Frazier and Sheffield for Snell that is the player the Yanks should try to add, he is a true #2 and at the right age and under control for enough years to make his addition organization changing. If I had to add Drury to get him I would, he is the guy I want the Yanks to add.
Moving forward with  
PaulN : 6/22/2018 1:22 pm : link
Sevy, Snell, and German would be very imposing for the next 5 years.
Idiots  
PaulN : 6/22/2018 1:23 pm : link
Yea Garner will get you a bag of fucking baseballs, not a starting pitcher.
RE: Not for Haap, no way  
rich in DC : 6/22/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13997346 PaulN said:
Quote:
I part with Frazier and Sheffield for Snell that is the player the Yanks should try to add, he is a true #2 and at the right age and under control for enough years to make his addition organization changing. If I had to add Drury to get him I would, he is the guy I want the Yanks to add.


ABSOLUTELY NOT

People are mesmerized by Snell's Ks and ERA. However, a look at his FIP shows that it is all a mirage. He carries a FIP of 3.60. In other words, he is pitching WAY over his head right now and will come back to earth shortly.

Further, if you break down his numbers, his walk rate is rising as the season goes along.

In addition, he is prone to HR- which is NOT a good thing in Yankee Stadium. He has already given up 4 HR in Yankee Stadium- in 41 plate appearances. Granted, that is facing the Yanks lineup, but that isn't good.

Just to demonstrate that it isn't just the Yanks, he has also given up 3 HR to the O's at Camden Yards- in just 19 plate appearances.

In short, Snell would rack up some K's, but give up the HR too much. Ironically, that is Tanaka's profile- who MANY posters here have roundly criticized and would give away in a minute. Yet, now a guy with that profile is a "#2 SP"? Really?

I get that some here are DESPERATE for a trade because you have been led around by the nose by the NY media to believe that is a necessity. They don't sell papers by telling everyone to wait for Sheffield- they sell by pushing trade ideas and selling the "next best thing."

Wake up- there is no magic #2 SP coming through the door- and it is BEYOND ridiculous to consider trading a SP prospect with as much, if not more upside, than Snell PLUS the Yanks top hitting prospect for Snell.
How can they not be?  
old man : 6/22/2018 1:41 pm : link
In close games, a different hero every night and about a dozen to choose from; getting good pitching from unexpected places, didn't get the planned starting lineup until about 30 games into the season due to injury, they have guys stuck in minors that are ready. They play as a team, when one/2 guys slump, others step up.
Boston needs to lead by 5 going into the 9th because their BP is put a guy in-,hold your breath shaky, and their hitting rises and falls together. They can win 9-1 5 games in a row then lose 4-3, 3-2,2-1, then next 3.
Houston looks better than earlier in the year, but they are still shaky.
In the NL, the Dodgers have the best talent and getting healthy with the best potential there at this point, and the other good teams will make 7/31 moves to get to the top.
At this point, it's NYY unless something radical happen the next 85+ games.
RE: How can they not be?  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13997367 old man said:
Quote:
In close games, a different hero every night and about a dozen to choose from; getting good pitching from unexpected places, didn't get the planned starting lineup until about 30 games into the season due to injury, they have guys stuck in minors that are ready. They play as a team, when one/2 guys slump, others step up.
Boston needs to lead by 5 going into the 9th because their BP is put a guy in-,hold your breath shaky, and their hitting rises and falls together. They can win 9-1 5 games in a row then lose 4-3, 3-2,2-1, then next 3.
Houston looks better than earlier in the year, but they are still shaky.
In the NL, the Dodgers have the best talent and getting healthy with the best potential there at this point, and the other good teams will make 7/31 moves to get to the top.
At this point, it's NYY unless something radical happen the next 85+ games.


Cmon, Houston isn't "shaky", they're an elite team right now. They literally do everything well.

It's too early for me to say they're better or we're better, but there's nothing shaky about the defending champs. They're loaded.
RE: I would Part with Frazier , Sheffield and Florial for Happ or Snell  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13997055 Alwaysblue22 said:
Quote:
The Yankees still need a RELIABLE #2 behind Sevy..preferably a Left hander. Tanaka can be lights out...but like most Japanese pitchers who come here struggles with elbow issues and can only pitch ONCE in a five or seven game series. He is the #3 guy. CC is sometimes good but also sometimes bad. Too much wear on his tires. Domingo German is inexperienced but i have to tell you that Domingo has the TALENT to become the #2 but maybe not this year. I like the way he pitches with late movement on all of his breaking pitches. Sonny Gray STINKS and I have no idea what Cashman saw in this guy ,. He is a #5 starter or a mop up releiver. Yes Cashman does make MISTAKES like most of us.. but he did not want to surrender Andujar and Torres for Verlander. Losiagna is not ready for the major leagues but has talent. It seems odd to me that all of the Major league teams ask for a fortune to trade a good pitcher to the Yankees but will trade the same guy to ANY OTHER TEAM for a bail of hay. A lot of this has to do with pure Jealousy, and GMs do NOT want to be crucified by the local press by sending their top players to the Yankees. Apparently the Astros and the Red Sox are FEEL GOOD stories but the Yanks are the evil empire in collusion with Putin.


Gee, I wonder if this guy is a troll or not.
At least one of these teams - maybe all three  
TJ : 6/22/2018 2:31 pm : link
are gong to lose at least one important player - probably a pitcher - to injury before the end of the season. Yankees have the best backups waiting in AAA and the best chance to overcome injuries by bringing up more kids.
Honestly, I'd say the Yankees and Astros are pretty much  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 2:36 pm : link
right now. We have the better lineup and bullpen, and they have the better rotation by somewhat of a comfortable margin. As we all know, the starting rotations become much more important in the postseason, so that's why I'd put it at pretty much even despite us having a better line-up and bullpen. However, we did beat them 5 out of 7 this regular season and 3 out of 4 *in* Houston. Yeah, it's pretty much a push to me at this point in time. If we add a solid #2-#3 starter in our rotation, then I'd give us the edge.
*Yanks and Astros are pretty much even right now.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 2:36 pm : link
.
I'm not terribly concerned as to who is the best right now  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 2:39 pm : link
I just want the Yankees to be the best in October.
^ Yep. There's that whole thing, too.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 2:43 pm : link
Doesn't really matter much right now. Although, I will say it was definitely encouraging to take 5 out of 7 from them this season, and 3 out of 4 in Houston. Won't matter much come October, but still good to see.
I dont really see an available target  
Phil in LA : 6/22/2018 2:46 pm : link
Thats worth lopping the top of the farm. Though I do think the Yanks have done a great job refreshing the farm after last years trades.
Booooooo!  
Ryan in Albany : 6/22/2018 2:47 pm : link
Erik Boland

Verified account

@eboland11
1h1 hour ago
More
After getting treatment at minor league complex today Ellsbury said hes feeling significantly better and hopes to begin rehab games soon. Asked if in his mind hell play in 2018 he said yes without hesitation
RE: Booooooo!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13997426 Ryan in Albany said:
Quote:
Erik Boland

Verified account

@eboland11
1h1 hour ago
More
After getting treatment at minor league complex today Ellsbury said hes feeling significantly better and hopes to begin rehab games soon. Asked if in his mind hell play in 2018 he said yes without hesitation


He'll be playing in 2018 alright. In the minors... :)
Trying to look at this as objectively as possible....  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 2:50 pm : link
They should be trying to improve. Absolutely. However, this is the beginning of their run as a group. They should be in contention for years to come. There's no reason to overpay this year. I'm not a Pollyanna. I don't think every young pitcher they have is going to be a quality MLB starter right away (or at all, in many cases), but no need to force anything. Be open to deals, but if the value isn't there then roll with the guys they already have.
Antonio Cabello  
Phil in LA : 6/22/2018 2:53 pm : link
Had a triple and homer today.
Stanley Rosario  
Phil in LA : 6/22/2018 2:54 pm : link
Also had a triple.
RE: Honestly, I'd say the Yankees and Astros are pretty much  
Mike from SI : 6/22/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13997417 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
right now. We have the better lineup and bullpen, and they have the better rotation by somewhat of a comfortable margin. As we all know, the starting rotations become much more important in the postseason, so that's why I'd put it at pretty much even despite us having a better line-up and bullpen. However, we did beat them 5 out of 7 this regular season and 3 out of 4 *in* Houston. Yeah, it's pretty much a push to me at this point in time. If we add a solid #2-#3 starter in our rotation, then I'd give us the edge.


I agree with your analysis completely. I'd rather be the team with the better rotation, but here we are.
RE: Booooooo!  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13997426 Ryan in Albany said:
Quote:
Erik Boland

Verified account

@eboland11
1h1 hour ago
More
After getting treatment at minor league complex today Ellsbury said hes feeling significantly better and hopes to begin rehab games soon. Asked if in his mind hell play in 2018 he said yes without hesitation


"In his mind" being the key words.
I also find it exceedingly hard to believe that Verlander and Morton  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 3:15 pm : link
can keep this up for an entire season plus the postseason. We'll see.
in all the analysis we do  
Bill2 : 6/22/2018 3:35 pm : link
can we look at the FA losses, ages possible and farm supplies of the Sox and Astros and Nationals?

I dunno, but the organization with dynasty written all over them this year or next is the Yankees.

We cant trade away the infield or the outfield pieces will need sooner or later.

This transition is 2 years ahead of where we thought we would be in March of 2017.

Lets get under the cap and add. Lets free up spaces for prospects in the offseason.

Once we get another year of experience for some of our MLB cusp pitchers and get the next round of pitching prospects ready we have likely built up a perpetual supply chain that's a year away. imho.

Its the run and not the year that matters. If Cash finds a good trade...im all for it. If not, we have a decade to root for a collection of home grown talent that seems asshole free so far.

Its good to be a Yankee fan these days

RE: in all the analysis we do  
dune69 : 6/22/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13997481 Bill2 said:
Quote:
can we look at the FA losses, ages possible and farm supplies of the Sox and Astros and Nationals?

I dunno, but the organization with dynasty written all over them this year or next is the Yankees.

We cant trade away the infield or the outfield pieces will need sooner or later.

This transition is 2 years ahead of where we thought we would be in March of 2017.

Lets get under the cap and add. Lets free up spaces for prospects in the offseason.

Once we get another year of experience for some of our MLB cusp pitchers and get the next round of pitching prospects ready we have likely built up a perpetual supply chain that's a year away. imho.

Its the run and not the year that matters. If Cash finds a good trade...im all for it. If not, we have a decade to root for a collection of home grown talent that seems asshole free so far.

Its good to be a Yankee fan these days


Post of the year. Wish I had written it.
I think Cash will move cautiously and only make a move that is an obvious win. Besides, I think this team will start to peak later in the second half and scare people. Patience in our climb is key.
RE: RE: Booooooo!  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13997452 Eman11 said:
Quote:
In comment 13997426 Ryan in Albany said:


Quote:


Erik Boland

Verified account

@eboland11
1h1 hour ago
More
After getting treatment at minor league complex today Ellsbury said hes feeling significantly better and hopes to begin rehab games soon. Asked if in his mind hell play in 2018 he said yes without hesitation



"In his mind" being the key words.


My first reaction to reading that was an eye roll too - but looking at it this way...we know Hicks is injury prone, and while Gardy's been very durable the last several years, he's older now and resting some dings this week.

No way Ellsbury cracks the roster as currently set up, but it's worth it to get him healthy and ready for depth reasons.

He's essentially our 6th OF, but never know, we may end up needing him for depth at some point.
RE: .  
NoGainDayne : 6/22/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13997024 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
No chance in hell Frazier is going to TOR in a deal for Happ.


I keep seeing you pop up on Yankee threads seemingly rooting for them, but I seem to recall you being a Mets fan before? (No complaints but I just didn't know if I was remembering this correctly)
RE: I just LOVE posts that have randomly CAPITALIZED words  
NoGainDayne : 6/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13997058 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
It really enhances THE reading experience, and CONVINCES me that the author really knows WHAT he is talking ABOUT.


I found this post to be very compelling. Maybe there is something to it.
RE: RE: RE: Booooooo!  
Mad Mike : 6/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13997496 mfsd said:
Quote:
No way Ellsbury cracks the roster as currently set up, but it's worth it to get him healthy and ready for depth reasons.

Well, if he's actually healthy, once his rehab stint is over, he either cracks the roster or gets released. I don't think they want to release him, so...
RE: RE: RE: Booooooo!  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13997496 mfsd said:
Quote:
In comment 13997452 Eman11 said:


Quote:


In comment 13997426 Ryan in Albany said:


Quote:


Erik Boland

Verified account

@eboland11
1h1 hour ago
More
After getting treatment at minor league complex today Ellsbury said hes feeling significantly better and hopes to begin rehab games soon. Asked if in his mind hell play in 2018 he said yes without hesitation



"In his mind" being the key words.



My first reaction to reading that was an eye roll too - but looking at it this way...we know Hicks is injury prone, and while Gardy's been very durable the last several years, he's older now and resting some dings this week.

No way Ellsbury cracks the roster as currently set up, but it's worth it to get him healthy and ready for depth reasons.

He's essentially our 6th OF, but never know, we may end up needing him for depth at some point.


No question it's worth it to get him ready and for him to even have that confident approach.

I agree he's 6th on the OF depth chart and really only meant he's dreaming if he thinks he steps right in and plays when he's 100% healthy. I think at best he's a September call up or as you said, injury insurance.
Lineup for tonight:  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 4:18 pm : link
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Stanton (DH)
4. Gregorius (SS)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Hicks (CF)
7. Bird (1B)
8. Andujar (3B)
9. Torres (2B)

SP: Sabathia
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13997512 NoGainDayne said:
Quote:
In comment 13997024 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


No chance in hell Frazier is going to TOR in a deal for Happ.



I keep seeing you pop up on Yankee threads seemingly rooting for them, but I seem to recall you being a Mets fan before? (No complaints but I just didn't know if I was remembering this correctly)


Hah yeah, there was a big to do about all of this...

I've come over to the dark side. The Mets broke me after like 25 years of mostly not being able to enjoy baseball. Never hated the Yanks, found myself constantly wishing the Mets would take note of how to actually run a successful baseball team here in NY rather than a circus, but soon figured out it was basically insanity hoping that would ever happen and that I was wasting my time.

I wish them well and gave this much thought, but I'm all in on the Baby Bombers now. :)
Good to see Gardy back in the lineup.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 4:23 pm : link
.
RE: Lineup for tonight:  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13997535 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Stanton (DH)
4. Gregorius (SS)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Hicks (CF)
7. Bird (1B)
8. Andujar (3B)
9. Torres (2B)

SP: Sabathia


I like it and think this is our best lineup vs righties but I hope they find a way to keep Frazier up. I'm not crazy about Hicks batting from the right side and wouldn't mind seeing Frazier get a couple of games in the OF in his place vs lefties.
This guy will solve your Jacoby Ellsbury problem...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/22/2018 4:33 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: .  
NoGainDayne : 6/22/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13997536 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 13997512 NoGainDayne said:


Quote:


In comment 13997024 arcarsenal said:


Quote:





Hah yeah, there was a big to do about all of this...

I've come over to the dark side. The Mets broke me after like 25 years of mostly not being able to enjoy baseball. Never hated the Yanks, found myself constantly wishing the Mets would take note of how to actually run a successful baseball team here in NY rather than a circus, but soon figured out it was basically insanity hoping that would ever happen and that I was wasting my time.

I wish them well and gave this much thought, but I'm all in on the Baby Bombers now. :)


Lol that takes guts. Welcome aboard!

Candidly I gradually lost interest in baseball as I went through the oughts. I could watch some playoff games but the chances of catching a regular season game was slim. I can and do watch bad Knicks teams and Giants teams but maybe it was just that the overpaid under-performing Yankees were a loathsome bunch or this team is just so much fun to root for but the baby bombers have brought me back to watching all the nationally televised games. (I probably would get MLB.TV but there are just too many games and my girlfriend hates baseball)

Long and the short of it, I understand how you'd make the transition. Such a 180 on the culture from even a few years ago. Watching these guys play is just fun. A guy like Stanton who has won an MVP and clearly was taking things a little to seriously, seeing him run around the bases the other night like a kid in little league that just got the walk off, hard not to bring a smile to your face.
Nah, no Gilooley needed  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 4:41 pm : link
Ellsbury doesn't need any outside assistance to get injured. He'll probably tear his labrum while brushing his teeth.
This is the thing....  
Milton : 6/22/2018 4:41 pm : link
It's nice to think about who would win if the playoffs were to start this weekend, but they aren't starting this weekend and the landscape will be different come October. And I'm not even talking about trades that may occur before the July 31 deadline or injuries that may occur between now and October. I'm talking about the difference between how a guy is pitching through 100 innings of the season and how he is pitching after his arm has been through 200 innings.

I don't expect Verlander and Cole to be as unhittable in October as they are now. It may turn out to be the case, but I wouldn't count on it. Some pitchers start strong, some finish strong, but it's very difficult for a pitcher to maintain dominance from April through October.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13997565 NoGainDayne said:
Quote:
In comment 13997536 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


In comment 13997512 NoGainDayne said:


Quote:


In comment 13997024 arcarsenal said:


Quote:





Hah yeah, there was a big to do about all of this...

I've come over to the dark side. The Mets broke me after like 25 years of mostly not being able to enjoy baseball. Never hated the Yanks, found myself constantly wishing the Mets would take note of how to actually run a successful baseball team here in NY rather than a circus, but soon figured out it was basically insanity hoping that would ever happen and that I was wasting my time.

I wish them well and gave this much thought, but I'm all in on the Baby Bombers now. :)



Lol that takes guts. Welcome aboard!

Candidly I gradually lost interest in baseball as I went through the oughts. I could watch some playoff games but the chances of catching a regular season game was slim. I can and do watch bad Knicks teams and Giants teams but maybe it was just that the overpaid under-performing Yankees were a loathsome bunch or this team is just so much fun to root for but the baby bombers have brought me back to watching all the nationally televised games. (I probably would get MLB.TV but there are just too many games and my girlfriend hates baseball)

Long and the short of it, I understand how you'd make the transition. Such a 180 on the culture from even a few years ago. Watching these guys play is just fun. A guy like Stanton who has won an MVP and clearly was taking things a little to seriously, seeing him run around the bases the other night like a kid in little league that just got the walk off, hard not to bring a smile to your face.


Thanks, man!

I understand what you mean - I've been going through the same type of apathetic period you had with the Yankees, but with the Knicks. I do think Knox was a good pick and I think the future may finally be brightening for us, so I'm a bit more optimistic now, but boy - they've been a tough follow.

In any event, I just loved how this Yankee team came together from afar and felt like if I was ever going to do this, now was the time... while all these kids are just getting started.

All of you guys have been cool about welcoming me aboard, and even the Mets fans here wished me well (which I didn't expect!)

It's a new journey, one I intend on making permanent, and I'm really excited about this team and where they're headed.
Yanks still two years away  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/26/2018 3:35 pm : link
Unless Cashman changes his mind about the youth movement and deals for another quality starting pitcher, this team will not be able to get through the playoffs with one quality starter with experience this year. Yes they will still be entertaining, and hit a lot of home runs but when the baseball playoffs start its starting PITCHING that carries you through. They also have to learn to win some games in Tropicana Field where they hardly win any games as far back as I can remember.They have some young starting pitchers that have TALENT and who are being developed but cannot be expected to become playoff reliable this year. In fact they may not win the division and have to face a one game playoff again. Some Yankee fans may want Cashman to deal right now so the Yanks have a better shot. Since they have a deep and strong bullpen that one additional starter could make the difference. But Cashman believes that Clint Frazier is Mickey Mantle and will not part with him to improve the chances of wining it all this year. Since winning a WS is never a guarantee and sometimes is the result of lucky break or two you cannot blame Cashman for thinking they have the same chance with what they got now, provided Tanaka returns healthy, without having to trade number 77. Clint wears 77 because that is how high Cashman thinks of him. He better be right about Clint or he will be run out of town on a rail. Lets hope Clint does not play in any more indorr parks with hanging speakers.
All the terrible takes...  
Dunedin81 : 6/26/2018 3:42 pm : link
The youth movement got them here. The youth movement has been replenishing the team where injuries have taken a toll. The youth movement is starting to push legit starters up to the big-league level. Growing pains, yes, but with at least as much potential for success as many of the alternatives, and at no cost. Chris Sale is not on the block this year, and it's possible that the best starter available will be ----ing JA Happ.
Ignore the troll  
rich in DC : 6/26/2018 3:45 pm : link
doesn't do anyone on the board any favors to engage in stupid- he will always beat you with experience.
Is Happ worth dealing a future prospect like Galyber Torres?  
Alwaysblue22 : 6/28/2018 9:41 pm : link
I know the pressure is on... we have a WS Drought....well think about the Cubs drought and Cleveland's present drought. Cashman is doing what he thinks is best within the financial limits set by Hal Steinbrener.

The Red Sox are now the team that pays unlimited amounts to get talent and not the Yankees. Are the Yankees the best team in Baseball right now? NO they are not but they could have been if Cashman was allowed to deal for Verlander last year and use established vets like Brandon Drury at third and Neil walker at second. Sonny Gray was a total waste. You get what you pay for. Then they signed Stanton with his heavy Contract. Stanton is keeping Clint Frazier in AAA and a combo of Judge & Frazier would have worked out better and the Yanks could have traded the young studs Andujar and Torres for Gerrit Cole who now makes the WS Champion Astros the best team in baseball once again.
If the Yanks wanted to keep Stanton off of he Red Sox the result FAILED. Since the Sox signed JD Martinez in response who leads the majors with 25 HRs already. He has been more productive than Stanton. So Cashman can be viewed as a stupid stubborn fool. The goal is to win the WS and not to be given accolades by fans who think this is like the old days and you build from within or from sports writers who "ADMIRE" his baby bomber approach. That does not count for anything. Only winning counts, and not feel good stories. Besides that the Yankees will not be able to keep all of these baby bombers once they reach free agency years under the new austerity budget of Hal Steinbrenner...so overall, and so far, i give Cashmnan an F grade as the GM. And Gary Sanchez is no Thurman Munson.. he does not stay in proper shape and i don't trust him to call pitches or handle the staff. Romine is a better catcher who can communicate better since Sanchez still has not learned to speak English.. Maybe they should trade Sanchez and Sheffield for Happ. Sanchez needs a change of scenery with a team with lower expectations. AAA ace Sheffield is not being given a chance to pitch in the ML and is passed over for the likes of Jonathan Loaisiga who is talented but making a big jump from AA to The Majors. So Sheffield should be sent somewhere where he can be given a chance to shine. it appears that the Yankees dont see enough from him. Can he be worse than Sonny Gray?

There is a three game series coming up with the Sox. which team has the better chance of sweeping the other right now? If the Yanks fall tree or four games behind the Sox, Cashman will have to deal his precious jewels or have a lot of explaining to do.
Sonny Gray  
Alwaysblue22 : 7/1/2018 9:36 am : link
The Erik Flowers of the Yankees....why is he still on the Roster?
Something to consider  
rich in DC : 7/1/2018 6:15 pm : link
The Yanks were getting hammered a week ago for getting swept by the Rays. Guess who just got swept by the Rays this weekend? The team with what some here believe is unbeatable SP. That's right- the Rays just swept the Astros.

What is going on in Tampa?

Back to the Corner