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what percentage of players in the NFL

CMicks3110 : 6/22/2018 9:28 am
do you think are headcases. It's just mindboggling to me that some of these guys can't just focus on their jobs like every other working american. Just last year, on the Giants, you could call Hart, Flowers, Apple, DRC, Jenkins all headcases from time to time. It seems like it's as much as 20%. These guys are being paid millions, they can't just act normal?
I think you overestimate  
ron mexico : 6/22/2018 9:36 am : link
the average working american
You're joking, right?  
Eli2020 : 6/22/2018 9:36 am : link
Football is one of the most violent modern-day sport. I'm surprised the psyche of these players isn't even more nuts.

That being said, why are NBA such pre-madonnas?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/22/2018 9:37 am : link
Complicated question.

I think things are exaggerated to a certain degree by social media. In the past, players wouldn't expose themselves to greater criticism because there was no social media. Also on the fan side, we were not constantly bombarded and/or craving social media and 24/7 "news" updates. So it's been a bit of a self-destructive, self-fueling spiral.

At the same time, I think the NFL has been "Hollywood-ized" and many of the athletes have been given an inflated view of self-importance. This isn't all on them either. Look at the stupid red carpet crap even at the NFL Draft.

That all said, one could argue there were many more "bad eggs" on the older Giants teams that us old timers tend to glamorize. Much of their dirt was swept under the rug.
well, remember, for some of these guys  
Dave : 6/22/2018 9:38 am : link
the pressure must be enormous, way more than the avg joe feels in his job.

They can either make a lot of money, and have some celebrity, or be out of the league (without a lot of high paying job skills) at a moments notice.
How does what they’re being paid matter?  
10thAve : 6/22/2018 9:47 am : link
Why should they be “normal” based on salary? If anything it adds even more pressure to them. I’ve worked in corporate America for 20 years and I’ve seen my fair share of head cases.

You seem to have an idealistic view of NFL players, which just isn’t accurate. These guys go through shit just like you and I do (presumably in a higher pressure environment) and it’s magnified due to pretty much always being in the public eye, and having millions of strangers dissecting everything they do.
Its the same as the rest of the general population.  
WideRight : 6/22/2018 9:50 am : link
You are implying that there is a correlation between exceptional athleticism and mental or emotional adjustment disorders. There isn't one.

Your perception of this could be due to many factors including observer bias, the media and/or the effect of wealth on behavior. But its pretty boring to go further.
RE: I think you overestimate  
leatherneck570 : 6/22/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13997074 ron mexico said:
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the average working american


Pretty much this.

do you not watch the evening news? do you really think "every other working American" only focuses on their jobs?
so  
Les in TO : 6/22/2018 10:02 am : link
there are no headcases working in offices, factories, retail environments etc.??? as someone who needs to stay up to date on employment law/termination cases, I strongly disagree!
RE: You're joking, right?  
BestFeature : 6/22/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13997075 Eli2020 said:
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Football is one of the most violent modern-day sport. I'm surprised the psyche of these players isn't even more nuts.

That being said, why are NBA such pre-madonnas?


NBA players are before Madonna?
Honestly  
djm : 6/22/2018 10:55 am : link
I think pro athletes are generally more stable than most every day people.

It’s just that when bob the data analyst roughs up his wife or girlfriend we won’t see the news of this plastered all over Twitter.

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arcarsenal : 6/22/2018 10:57 am : link
Most people would look like "headcases" if 90% of their lives were documented and plastered all over the internet.
I regularly visit our county's...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/22/2018 11:05 am : link
recent bookings website, and I'm going to tell you that there are a lot of regular Americans who spend an inordinate amount of their time dealing with the law through a variety of run-ins. I never cease to be amazed that just about every month I'll have 10 or so former students booked on some charges, and I've only been teaching 9 years.

When you run in certain circles you can forget about that part of America, but it's real and part of their everyday life. Some athletes come from that background and it's harder for them to stay out of trouble.
Considering what is currently  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 6/22/2018 11:15 am : link
happening in the U.S. today, I am dumbfounded at this question about "act normal".

Wow!!!!
RE: You're joking, right?  
Alan in Toledo : 6/22/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13997075 Eli2020 said:
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Football is one of the most violent modern-day sport. I'm surprised the psyche of these players isn't even more nuts.

That being said, why are NBA such pre-madonnas?


as in prima donnas?
"this is not a game for well-adjusted people" Bill Parcells  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/22/2018 12:08 pm : link
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RE: You're joking, right?  
Jimmy Googs : 6/22/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13997075 Eli2020 said:
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That being said, why are NBA such pre-madonnas?


i guess i have been spelling this wrong all these years...
RE: RE: You're joking, right?  
old man : 6/22/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13997192 BestFeature said:
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In comment 13997075 Eli2020 said:


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Football is one of the most violent modern-day sport. I'm surprised the psyche of these players isn't even more nuts.

That being said, why are NBA such pre-madonnas?



NBA players are before Madonna?


I thought they were post-Madonnas!
I have a few friends  
joeinpa : 6/22/2018 3:26 pm : link
Who played in the NFL late 80 s early to mid 90 s

There s always been jerks, we just know more about it now.
a few areas to analyze  
mdc1 : 6/22/2018 4:15 pm : link
- how many graduate from college or use it to play football not completing?
- how many have been given a pass by friends, community, teachers, law enforcement because they are a popular sports figure
- how ?many get away with stuff due to their earning power when assaulting women, etc ?
- how many would actually be in jail/prison if not employed by a professional sport organization, or college?

Just watch Ballers  
gtt350 : 6/22/2018 4:50 pm : link
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If you separate "head case" and "criminal behavior" one explanation is  
Marty in Albany : 6/23/2018 7:58 pm : link
apparent: The better known your name is, the more money you make. And it doesn't matter WHY you are well known. So you if you are well known because you ride a horse to the stadium and have "World Peace" tattooed on your face, or because you establish a college fund for orphans, you will make more money.
Define “head case”  
UConn4523 : 6/23/2018 8:04 pm : link
because it seems to me that there’s a growing population of fans that will slap a label such as “head case” on anyone they think isn’t displaying optimal behavior, however that is measured.

By and large, fans suck and have wildly ridiculous expectations for grown men they don’t know who play a game for a living.
of those guys you mention  
bluepepper : 6/23/2018 10:17 pm : link
Eli Apple is the one who could pretty objectively be called a head case last year. Flowers was a head case only in the sense that his confidence was likely rocked by his struggles and all the criticism. Not playing secret santa with the other OL isn't head case worthy IMO.

DRC was a 10-year vet who clashed with the coaches. It happens. There was another guy who didn't like the coaches plans for him at one point last year but no one would call him a head case (nor should they).
Oh please,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/24/2018 8:56 am : link
look what’s going on around the world
ON the head ...  
short lease : 6/24/2018 9:08 pm : link
"I think the NFL has been "Hollywood-ized" and many of the athletes have been given an inflated view of self-importance.


In the 60's and 70's there were stars but, most of them still had to work a 2nd job during the off season to pay the bills. In today's game it seems like if you make a roster spot that is your full time job - and you are and automatic celebrity.
I think this is plenty in the general population  
madgiantscow009 : 6/24/2018 9:17 pm : link
but jobs such as musicians, pro athletes, hollywood actors, etc...cause a peter pan effect.

Plenty of them grow up or course, but there is less incentive to do so.

False Idols everywhere .  
Bluesbreaker : 6/24/2018 10:00 pm : link
Rarely live up to expectations ..
From my beloved Mickey Mantle to our LT's Chants .
Social Media is addictive and destructive .
Hero's like Dylan sell there souls ....well at least some of mine . Nothing isn't tainted in some sense of the word .
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