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NFT: Yankees (50-22) @ Rays (34-40), TGIF Ed.

RasputinPrime : 6/22/2018 6:01 pm
1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .258/.350/.384, 1.9 fWAR
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF .281/.398/.567, 3.7 fWAR
3. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH .252/.325/.496, 2.0 fWAR
4. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .261/.330/.482, 2.3 fWAR
5. Gary Sanchez (R) CA .197/.297/.448, 1.4 fWAR
6. Aaron Hicks (S) CF .251/.345/.467, 1.9 fWAR
7. Greg Bird (L) 1B .205/.295/.423, 0.2 fWAR
8. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B .290/.319/.529, 1.0 fWAR
9. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B .291/.347/.560, 1.3 fWAR

CC Sabathia (L): (71 IP, 3.3 ERA, 1.0 RA9 WAR)
vs.
Ryne Stanek (R): (20.1 IP, 2.21 ERA, 0.6 RA9 WAR)

1. Kevin Kiermaier (L) CF .135/.211/.192, -0.5 fWAR
2. Matt Duffy (R) 3B .317/.360/.439, 1.4 fWAR
3. Wilson Ramos (R) CA .288/.337/.447, 0.9 fWAR
4. C.J. Cron (R) DH .237/.316/.452, 0.8 fWAR
5. Jake Bauers (L) 1B .250/.379/.458, 0.4 fWAR
6. Daniel Robertson (R) 2B .257/.385/.423, 1.8 fWAR
7. Carlos Gomez (R) RF .191/.264/.332, -0.6 fWAR
8. Willy Adames (R) SS .182/.229/.273, -0.2 fWAR
9. Johnny Field (R) LF .224/.260/.401, 0.5 fWAR
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Has there ever been a player in baseball  
Big Rick in FL : 6/22/2018 7:25 pm : link
That gets worse ball/strike calls then Judge? I don't watch much baseball unless a friend or family member has it on. It seems everytime I see Judge he's getting screwed by the umps.
RE: RE: Red Sox losing 4-0 to Seattle.  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13997656 adamg said:
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That's awesome


They're well on their way to giving it all back though. One run in, second and third, still no one out.
RE: Has there ever been a player in baseball  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13997657 Big Rick in FL said:
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That gets worse ball/strike calls then Judge? I don't watch much baseball unless a friend or family member has it on. It seems everytime I see Judge he's getting screwed by the umps.


Well I've been watching baseball since the late 60's and I honestly can't think of a player who gets as many bad calls on pitches aging him. It has to be because of his height and umps being too stubborn (or dumb) to adjust their strike zones.

It's certainly not because he argues or gives them a hard time, and is on their shit list. He seems to be universally liked around the game.
If that has been Judge instead of whoever this scrub is  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 7:34 pm : link
Ball two would have been strike 3
RE: If that has been Judge instead of whoever this scrub is  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13997662 Greg from LI said:
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Ball two would have been strike 3


Here's the thing I don't get. He's well liked and a big star in the game who people pay to come out and see. They want to see him hit, and not have the bat taken out of his hands by shitty umps.

I'm not asking for favoritism towards him, just a fair shake. It seems they actually treat him like he's some bad guy and go out of their way to screw him over.

I don't get it at all and you'd think he's so popular and good for the game the powers that be would notice what's going on and correct it. He's one of the biggest stars in the game for fuck's sake.
Let's go Bird  
dune69 : 6/22/2018 7:47 pm : link
I'm a big fan but you have to show some life.
Real pitchers duel going on in Boston  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:02 pm : link
Mariners retake the lead 6-5 after 2
Speechless. Just speechless.  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:06 pm : link
This shit has got to stop
At some point, Boone’s really got to blow his top  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 8:06 pm : link
over what these umps are doing to Judge
RE: Real pitchers duel going on in Boston  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13997692 Greg from LI said:
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Mariners retake the lead 6-5 after 2


That's baseball Susyn.

Last week the same guys faced each other and it was a pitchers duel. I think the final was 2-1 or 1-0, and LeBlanc retired 20 something in a row after a lead off single.
RE: At some point, Boone’s really got to blow his top  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13997706 mfsd said:
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over what these umps are doing to Judge


Preaching to the choir. I've been saying that all year.

Boone needs to go off before Judge ends up chasing those bad pitches. I honestly don't know why Boone hasn't gone off yet.

There needs to be an investigation at this point  
BigBlueShock : 6/22/2018 8:14 pm : link
I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but this shit with Judge has reached the point that something has to be done. It’s obviously intentional at this point. My guess this is baseballs way of trying to get him to swing the bat to speed up the game. And it’s infuriating. I wanted to punch my television after that third strike call. At what point do the Yankees, media, etc start making this a bigger deal?
The horrid strikezone for Judge  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 8:16 pm : link
makes his BA and OBP even more impressive. Imagine if he actually had the strikezone he should?
These umps are disgusting.  
Dave in Buffalo : 6/22/2018 8:16 pm : link
At some point it becomes blatant.
RE: There needs to be an investigation at this point  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13997725 BigBlueShock said:
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I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but this shit with Judge has reached the point that something has to be done. It’s obviously intentional at this point. My guess this is baseballs way of trying to get him to swing the bat to speed up the game. And it’s infuriating. I wanted to punch my television after that third strike call. At what point do the Yankees, media, etc start making this a bigger deal?


I don't think it can be to speed up the game. Judge is one of the few guys who actually stays in the box and doesn't do some dumb batting glove adjustment or step out after every pitch.

There's been times I wanted him to step out or call time, and to me it's noticeable how he stays in there bat ready to go between pitches. He probably takes less time per pitch than the majority of players. He does run a lot of 3-2 counts though, but that's because he's a good hitter with a real good eye. To me that should signal to umps he knows the strike zone
RE: RE: At some point, Boone’s really got to blow his top  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13997717 Eman11 said:
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over what these umps are doing to Judge



Preaching to the choir. I've been saying that all year.

Boone needs to go off before Judge ends up chasing those bad pitches. I honestly don't know why Boone hasn't gone off yet.


Yeah I mean he was barking from the dugout, but it’s past time he went full Earl Weaver/Billy Martin to show one of these guys up.

These umps should be embarrassed. The announcers are right...the fact Judge has so much class he never complains is working against him.

The little bit of muttering he did that last AB was the biggest reaction he’s shown all season I think.
Pitchers literally don’t have to ever throw a strike to Judge  
BigBlueShock : 6/22/2018 8:24 pm : link
How is this good for baseball?
The challenge for Boone, ill concede  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 8:24 pm : link
is he probably can’t tell from the dugout right in the moment how bad some of these calls are. I’m sure he sees it on replay pretty quickly though
Mariners up 10-5 now  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 8:25 pm : link
Nelson Cruz hits his second 3 run homer of the game
M's up 10-5 top 4  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:25 pm : link
Cruz having some night. Two HR's, a single and 7 RBI's so far!
RE: The challenge for Boone, ill concede  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13997755 mfsd said:
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is he probably can’t tell from the dugout right in the moment how bad some of these calls are. I’m sure he sees it on replay pretty quickly though


Maybe not on the away pitches but he can certainly see the low ones and there's been a shit load of those called on Judge all year.

I'm beyond giving Boone a pass on this at this point. They said on Yes Judge has had 62 pitches called strikes that were balls. 62!

Yup heard that. Insane.  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 8:30 pm : link
I think Singleton’s about to go down and yell at the ump
RE: Yup heard that. Insane.  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13997769 mfsd said:
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I think Singleton’s about to go down and yell at the ump


Well the obvious argument is he'll get tossed for arguing balls and strikes but at this point I say so what? Get tossed, and then tossed again if need be til they fix this bullshit.
Nice glovework by Andujar to limit the damage  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 8:40 pm : link
in that inning
^^^ Talking about Boone^^^  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 8:40 pm : link
Not Singleton lol.
Rays Feed  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/22/2018 8:55 pm : link
their announcers are the worst homers in all of sport.
Two balls hit 60ft  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/22/2018 8:58 pm : link
= 1st & 3rd, 0 outs. Tough inning.
Minimal damage  
dune69 : 6/22/2018 9:04 pm : link
thanks to Stanton. We need bats.
RE: Rays Feed  
Jints in Carolina : 6/22/2018 9:12 pm : link
In comment 13997818 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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their announcers are the worst homers in all of sport.


You haven't heard the nationals announcers then.
Decent work from Sabathia escaping trouble  
mfsd : 6/22/2018 9:19 pm : link
big help from Stanton

But all for naught unless the Yanks do some hitting tonight
imo  
Bill2 : 6/22/2018 9:21 pm : link
very speculative opinion

1) I think umps as a group are a very weird and often not well grounded personalities. And they often fight the game
of baseball


2) I think they look at Judges talent and size and try to "even" the sides. Seriously. I think some of them believe a normal strike zone would tilt too much to Judge's advantage. He has too many already.
Heaven forbid the elite physical deviations from average that self select to basketball or football should unbalance the game.

Sound nuts? Ever get a slice of the psychology captured by their union contract and resistance to merit or performance review?

Now its also possible that the angle they view from makes aligning with Judges actual knee height hard to do


I think it's simply a matter of not adjusting  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 9:28 pm : link
The strike zone for him height wise. These umps are creatures of habit and take the same stance back there very time. They have a definite height "zone" in their minds eye and call the low/high pitches pretty much by habit.

They either can't or refuse to raise that level for Judge being 6" or so taller than most players.

How they miss the outside pitch I have no explanation for except incompetency.
Judge!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/22/2018 9:41 pm : link
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Eman  
Bill2 : 6/22/2018 9:45 pm : link
Probably exactly right. Simple explanation is often the right one.

I think over time Judge aims for hits (with a more level variation of his swing) and more plate/zone coverage and less aim at Home Runs. The eventual result winds up a better and better player. I think he has the brains and the work ethic to not yet be at his peak. Its his sophomore year.

Year 3 through 8 could be special. I think he could be a 290/40-42 hr /.425 OPS player
Come on  
The 12th Man : 6/22/2018 9:45 pm : link
Didi!
RE: Eman  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13997884 Bill2 said:
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Probably exactly right. Simple explanation is often the right one.

I think over time Judge aims for hits (with a more level variation of his swing) and more plate/zone coverage and less aim at Home Runs. The eventual result winds up a better and better player. I think he has the brains and the work ethic to not yet be at his peak. Its his sophomore year.

Year 3 through 8 could be special. I think he could be a 290/40-42 hr /.425 OPS player


I think some of your points have merit as we too often see umps think they're part of the game and exaggerate their importance to it, like we pay and go to see them perform.

That goes to my point about them refusing to adjust for Judge's height. It's as if they're saying "I have my zone, he has to adjust to me" type of thing. All the while not giving two shits about their effect on the game when they call strikes that are clearly well below his knees. It's that arrogance and weirdness you mentioned.
yeah  
Bill2 : 6/22/2018 9:59 pm : link
There is not much to be gained by complaining about it. They resist what is asked of them, resist improvement, resist getting better, resist the concept of merit.

Eventually home plate will have sensors and umps will call plays at the plate (but get paid more with larger retirement payouts)
Bad AB by Gary there  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 10:07 pm : link
Up 2-0 in the count you have to zone a pitch. If it's not there,take it. Instead he looked like he was guessing and swinging no matter what.

Gotta use your head there man.
What an awful game.  
section125 : 6/22/2018 10:08 pm : link
Almost like they don't give a shit or they are whipped. Looks like lack of effort - I know it isn't.

Vitamin B12 shots for all!
Bah  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2018 10:17 pm : link
Torres didn't miss that by much
Awful game.  
section125 : 6/22/2018 10:21 pm : link
dreadful.
Mailed this one in.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2018 10:22 pm : link
See what tomorrow brings.
if you're going to ground into a double play  
emcca005 : 6/22/2018 10:24 pm : link
have the common sense to strikeout
RE: Awful game.  
Eman11 : 6/22/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13997937 section125 said:
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dreadful.


Yeah, CC deserved better and no way I thought they'd only score one run vs TB.
Can't say I'm impressed with Seattle's bullpen  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/22/2018 10:33 pm : link
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Bad loss to a team that should  
prdave73 : 6/22/2018 10:42 pm : link
Not have won this game, but give credit to Ray's for using their best bullpen to pull this off without a good SP. Something the overrated Seatle team should have done today against the Sox. Seatle's a joke lol.
team looked tired  
RasputinPrime : 6/22/2018 10:46 pm : link
and there is almost nothing worse than having to watch a game played in that shitbag of a stadium.
Shame the Yanks couldn't borrow a couple of Seattle's runs tonight  
NYerInMA : 6/22/2018 11:20 pm : link
since they obviously didn't need them. What a trainwreck.
RE: Pitchers literally don’t have to ever throw a strike to Judge  
Eman11 : 6/23/2018 7:05 am : link
In comment 13997754 BigBlueShock said:
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How is this good for baseball?


It's not. The only people who think it is are people who flat out just hate the Yanks and want them to do poorly.

Funny thing is I know people who don't like the Yanks but like Judge,and even they say he's getting screwed. My son in law is a Sox fan and thinks it's laughable how bad some of the calls against him are, and doesn't understand why it happens either. He said he'd be livid if that consistently happened to Betts or one of the Sox best hitters.

In a game like last night taking the bat out of his hands twice on bad calls could honestly have been the difference in the game. Who knows if he jacks one out on the next pitch if he's still batting? He's a guy who can change a game with one swing,and those swings shouldn't be taken away by obvious bad calls.
Second time  
13ODB : 6/23/2018 7:16 am : link
In less then a week this offense was shut down by this garbage Rays pitching. And second time CC pitched well enough to win against this crap team and gets no run support. Here we go again with this offense just when you think Stanton is coming out of it against Seattle and the rest of the offense which scored a total of 14 runs Tuesday and Wednesday which they came back down 5-0 then start Thursday game with a bang scoring 4 runs in the first and since then the offense has been nonexistent again scoring only 1 run in the last 17 innings. It’s ridiculous how streaky they are. When was the last time this offense scored double digit runs?? It’s been more then a month now it hasn’t happen. I’m so tired of hearing how they are the best like up in baseball. They are not the best line up. Boston and Houston have been better. Greg bird and Sanchez are horrible and Stanton is another stiff. But JD Martinez goes 4-5 5 RBIs and bats .325 this bum Mitch Moreland bats .285 and bird can’t even bat .200 fucking pisses me off
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