Multiple sources in Beckham’s camp told Ralph Vacchiano of SNY that a holdout is still on the table, and multiple sources in the Giants organization told Vacchiano that they’re not sure if he’ll be at training camp or not.
just talking out of your ass. I believe his “intent” is to be at camp. I suspect that’s contingent upon progress being made on an extension. If they just sit their looking at each other in a standoff then there’s no way he’s at camp. He’s NOT waiting until 2019 for a new contract. That would be a terrible business move on his part. And if the Giants think that would be ok with him then they are being pompous, arrogant and foolish.
When it comes to unnamed sources. Who the hell knows who the source is or even if it is a source at all. All I kept reading and hearing prior to OTA's was that Beckham was going to hold out and he was not going to show up unless he had a contract. He showed up day 1. The same was written and said last year prior to training camp and yet Beckham showed up.
The media has consistently tried to make a story about Beckham when there wasn't one. All of the trade rumors with the rams..,imo was media driven
Until Beckham doesn't show up or vocalizes himself about his contract situation, then I will believe it. Until then the media can pound sand with their unnamed sources.
He has a national endorsement deal with at least verizon and head and shoulders and I am sure a few more I can't think of.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
We all know you hate Beckham, but when you go the extra mile to make shit up, it only justifies your reputation on this site as being a turd.
First of all, as someone else said, nobody has ever said that Beckham was “scraping by”, so please tell us where this narrative is that you speak of? Secondly, are you suggesting that Beckham has no reason to want long term security because he has endorsement deals? Lol.
He has a national endorsement deal with at least verizon and head and shoulders and I am sure a few more I can't think of.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
Another example of why it is silly to argue that Giants fans are somehow smarter than fans of other NFL teams. You could write pages about everything wrong with this post.
He should holdout
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
He should holdout
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
95% of those against Cruz re contract is a gross exaggeration. I had zero problems with him. He earned most if not all of what he was asking..
Also has OBJ directly said he wanted QB money? Not talking about media rumors, Agent spin, or what he might have told a friend, I want to know if he actually made a public statement on that? I honestly don’t recall
thinks he has already proven that he is healthy . Shurmur tewisred himself like a pretzel trying to explain why Beckham was only doing individuals when he was cleared to full activity . He’s trying to ride the back of the tiger on the issue .
It’s easy for Ralph to get info from Beckham’s side . Of course they are using him. Of course he knows he is being used . Doesn’t matter . The issue hovers . If there is a protracted holdout . I place 100% of the blame on Gettleman. This should have been done already .
He should holdout
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
95% of those against Cruz re contract is a gross exaggeration. I had zero problems with him. He earned most if not all of what he was asking..
Also has OBJ directly said he wanted QB money? Not talking about media rumors, Agent spin, or what he might have told a friend, I want to know if he actually made a public statement on that? I honestly don’t recall
He did make a statement that he wanted to be the highest paid player in the league. But he did it on some obscure media network and it was pretty clear he was trying to dive traffic to the fledgling site.
Look at all the other top talkent in his draft class.
They’ve already chosen to hold out and not show up at all.
People shitting on OBJ are stupid as this is a business and his career is short. I’m sure last year woke him up to that fact and he is still being an excellent team member.
If he holds's out what is his contract status for next year?
Do Giants still own the contract year?
Does he lose year of eligibility for free agency?
Curious.
But he lost a whole season because a of leg injury. Both sides want to protect themselves. Think the lawyers can work it out if they want too. Love his skill set want him here. Makes our offense special.
Make him earn it with incentives if that possible but this deal should get done . I see the Giants point its the
speed and cutting ability that makes him special . I don't think it hurts his ability to elevate.
Its a no brainer pre-injury but this was a pretty serious
ankle injury . Gettleman can't let this go too long or it
will be a problem.
He was under paid for for what he did the last three years, So he wants to capitalize now. Problem, is, is he the same player now? Think we pay him if he is not it will get hairy.
should Flowers give back money for under performing?
It's the system.....if the players don't like it, then you make changes in the next agreement...Get rid of the Franchise tag....get rid of the fifth year option....when guys sign contracts, they should live up to them, especially guys like Julio Jones...
There are always going to be players that over achieve, and under achieve on rookie contracts.....more often that not, there are more that don't live up to expectations...
should Flowers give back money for under performing?
It's the system.....if the players don't like it, then you make changes in the next agreement...Get rid of the Franchise tag....get rid of the fifth year option....when guys sign contracts, they should live up to them, especially guys like Julio Jones...
There are always going to be players that over achieve, and under achieve on rookie contracts.....more often that not, there are more that don't live up to expectations...
Flowers doesn't need to give money back, the Giants could have just cut him and not paid him. I know it's hard for a lot of people to understand, but NFL CONTRACTS ARE NOT GUARANTEED! Teams can get out when it's beneficial to them.
It's hard to speak about this situation without really knowing what OBJ is asking, but he has every right to hold out until he gets that deal and to be honest, he should. He was asked to grow up, show up and prove he's healthy. I think he's done that. Now it's time for the Giants to pay up.
Flowers doesn't need to give money back, the Giants could have just cut him and not paid him. I know it's hard for a lot of people to understand, but NFL CONTRACTS ARE NOT GUARANTEED! Teams can get out when it's beneficial to them.
Well Flowers is a bad example, since his contract was guaranteed, but in general, yes, teams can get out when it's advantageous to them to do so.
is he going to take a hit of $40,000 per day until his contract is resolved, when the Giants have all the leverage on him over the next three years via his contract and the franchise tags? he's a competitor and has shown up to mini camp and has been working hard training this offseason. this is just noise to try and expedite the negotiations.
Some unsolicited advice. Don't use ALL CAPS when you don't know what you are talking about. It highlights your ignorance. Spotrac or Over-the-Cap are best consulted before commenting on player contracts.
Some unsolicited advice. Don't use ALL CAPS when you don't know what you are talking about. It highlights your ignorance. Spotrac or Over-the-Cap are best consulted before commenting on player contracts.
Willie, thx for the advice! Question for ya...WHEN DID NFL CONTRACTS BECOME GUARANTEED??? I wasn’t specifically commenting on Flowers, I was commenting on nfl contracts. Maybe I missed the new cbs, please enlighten me.
Some unsolicited advice. Don't use ALL CAPS when you don't know what you are talking about. It highlights your ignorance. Spotrac or Over-the-Cap are best consulted before commenting on player contracts.
Willie, thx for the advice! Question for ya...WHEN DID NFL CONTRACTS BECOME GUARANTEED??? I wasn’t specifically commenting on Flowers, I was commenting on nfl contracts. Maybe I missed the new cbs, please enlighten me.
Different contracts have different level of guarantee.
Some are 0%, some are 100%. You cant make a blanket statement one way or the other.
First off, please show me an example of a multi year contract that’s fully gtd. Secondly, I brought it up because people are suggesting OBJ needs to play out his deal. Reality is that if a player isn’t living up to it, they will be released by the team when it’s financially beneficial. OBJ has every right t hold out.
First off, please show me an example of a multi year contract that’s fully gtd. Secondly, I brought it up because people are suggesting OBJ needs to play out his deal. Reality is that if a player isn’t living up to it, they will be released by the team when it’s financially beneficial. OBJ has every right t hold out.
Because it was short term, he wanted the whole thing gtd, but your are correct. His contract is not the norm at all. Most teams want longer deals even with big gtd numbers to spread out the cap hit and then they cut the player as soon as they stop producing.
Regardless, the pt remains. Teams cut players all the time for not living up to their contracts. When a player like OBJ, who significantly outperforms, asks for more money.....he's out of line. It's quite unfair.
that you jumped in on. Clearly this CBA has taken all of hte leverage away from the players. It's terrible. Teams can and will cut players with years left if they arent performing. It happens all the time. Yet here you have a kid thats significantly outperformed and he's looked at negatively for holding out(which is the ONLY little bit of leverage that players have). It's a broken system.
Cousins took on some risk. He accepted a short deal, but demanded the whole thing gtd. That was smart of him because now he has the leverage. More players need to do that.
I want to find the person who would honestly say Â
that in OBJ's shoes, they'd do something differently.
I won't, since there's no damn way I'd perform the best in my field on a contract that is very loosely guaranteed, and run the risk of playing well below market and suffering an injury that could end my career before getting my next (and first real lucrative) contract.
But I'm sure a lot of people will lie through their teeth and claim they'd play out the contract.
I'd think they could find that out in non-contact drills.
The media has consistently tried to make a story about Beckham when there wasn't one. All of the trade rumors with the rams..,imo was media driven
Until Beckham doesn't show up or vocalizes himself about his contract situation, then I will believe it. Until then the media can pound sand with their unnamed sources.
I wouldn't call Ralph an "amazing talent"
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I just really do not like this guy at all!
I wouldn't call Ralph an "amazing talent"
LOL. That's the same thought I had upon opening the thread.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
No one has ever said he is poor or scraping by. Ever.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
I've often wondered how lucrative those commercials are?
Peyton Manning did them all the time.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
We all know you hate Beckham, but when you go the extra mile to make shit up, it only justifies your reputation on this site as being a turd.
First of all, as someone else said, nobody has ever said that Beckham was “scraping by”, so please tell us where this narrative is that you speak of? Secondly, are you suggesting that Beckham has no reason to want long term security because he has endorsement deals? Lol.
You’re an absolute treasure.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
Why is it every giant fan thinks "mehh his endorsements are plenty" and is so entitled to some discount because of that??
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
I wish Beckham was able to determine what you should be making.
This is his time. It s business.
This narrative of Beckham scraping by on a paltry rookie deal is bullcrap.
Another example of why it is silly to argue that Giants fans are somehow smarter than fans of other NFL teams. You could write pages about everything wrong with this post.
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
95% of those against Cruz re contract is a gross exaggeration. I had zero problems with him. He earned most if not all of what he was asking..
Also has OBJ directly said he wanted QB money? Not talking about media rumors, Agent spin, or what he might have told a friend, I want to know if he actually made a public statement on that? I honestly don’t recall
It’s easy for Ralph to get info from Beckham’s side . Of course they are using him. Of course he knows he is being used . Doesn’t matter . The issue hovers . If there is a protracted holdout . I place 100% of the blame on Gettleman. This should have been done already .
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He should holdout
arniefez : 6/23/2018 12:11 pm : link : reply
He's grossly underpaid and coming off an injury already. I remember when Cruz was fighting to get his money the vitriol toward him from 95% of the group think on here who genuflect to the Mara kings.
Beckum should hold out for every penny he can get.
First, he said, he would be in camp....but what does that mean? Will he go all out in camp? Or will he be cautious? Will he play in preseason, and once again, if he does, how much and how much effort?
Yes, he does deserve a contract.....and if not for the injury and his ridiculous demands for qb money, he might have one already.....
As for holding out? OBj is under contract....he can be fined 40K per day.....would the Giants do that?
As for being underpaid, yes he is, for what he has produced.....but this is a business......and there are many that are grossly overpaid......it's a gamble.....want to blame anyone for this? Blame the guys who negotiated away the money rookies got with the new CBA.....This is the system they have....both sides win and lose with it, but you have to have some system.......
Yes, we have had WR's who missed their big payday because of injuries.....it's a part of every sport....but some players can bring this on themselves out of greed, too....Was Steve Smith offered a contract before the injury, but turned it down because he wanted more? Could OBj have negotiated a contract if he didn't go in there with a QB money attitude?
Both sides have valid points.....I think the Giants want to see OBj perform before offering a long term deal....OBj wants a contract, to avoid what happened to other Giant WR's still on a rookie deal.....I also think, drafting SB is a bargaining chip for the Giants, in the sense that he gives them an option for life without OBj......
If both sides can't agree before the preseason games start, this can start to get ugly real fast......
95% of those against Cruz re contract is a gross exaggeration. I had zero problems with him. He earned most if not all of what he was asking..
Also has OBJ directly said he wanted QB money? Not talking about media rumors, Agent spin, or what he might have told a friend, I want to know if he actually made a public statement on that? I honestly don’t recall
He did make a statement that he wanted to be the highest paid player in the league. But he did it on some obscure media network and it was pretty clear he was trying to dive traffic to the fledgling site.
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They’ve already chosen to hold out and not show up at all.
People shitting on OBJ are stupid as this is a business and his career is short. I’m sure last year woke him up to that fact and he is still being an excellent team member.
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This is his time. It s business.
Thanks, buddy
Do Giants still own the contract year?
Does he lose year of eligibility for free agency?
Curious.
speed and cutting ability that makes him special . I don't think it hurts his ability to elevate.
Its a no brainer pre-injury but this was a pretty serious
ankle injury . Gettleman can't let this go too long or it
will be a problem.
It's the system.....if the players don't like it, then you make changes in the next agreement...Get rid of the Franchise tag....get rid of the fifth year option....when guys sign contracts, they should live up to them, especially guys like Julio Jones...
There are always going to be players that over achieve, and under achieve on rookie contracts.....more often that not, there are more that don't live up to expectations...
It's the system.....if the players don't like it, then you make changes in the next agreement...Get rid of the Franchise tag....get rid of the fifth year option....when guys sign contracts, they should live up to them, especially guys like Julio Jones...
There are always going to be players that over achieve, and under achieve on rookie contracts.....more often that not, there are more that don't live up to expectations...
Flowers doesn't need to give money back, the Giants could have just cut him and not paid him. I know it's hard for a lot of people to understand, but NFL CONTRACTS ARE NOT GUARANTEED! Teams can get out when it's beneficial to them.
It's hard to speak about this situation without really knowing what OBJ is asking, but he has every right to hold out until he gets that deal and to be honest, he should. He was asked to grow up, show up and prove he's healthy. I think he's done that. Now it's time for the Giants to pay up.
Well Flowers is a bad example, since his contract was guaranteed, but in general, yes, teams can get out when it's advantageous to them to do so.
Willie, thx for the advice! Question for ya...WHEN DID NFL CONTRACTS BECOME GUARANTEED??? I wasn’t specifically commenting on Flowers, I was commenting on nfl contracts. Maybe I missed the new cbs, please enlighten me.
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Some unsolicited advice. Don't use ALL CAPS when you don't know what you are talking about. It highlights your ignorance. Spotrac or Over-the-Cap are best consulted before commenting on player contracts.
Willie, thx for the advice! Question for ya...WHEN DID NFL CONTRACTS BECOME GUARANTEED??? I wasn’t specifically commenting on Flowers, I was commenting on nfl contracts. Maybe I missed the new cbs, please enlighten me.
Different contracts have different level of guarantee.
Some are 0%, some are 100%. You cant make a blanket statement one way or the other.
Kirk Cousins
Regardless, the pt remains. Teams cut players all the time for not living up to their contracts. When a player like OBJ, who significantly outperforms, asks for more money.....he's out of line. It's quite unfair.
But the latest CBA has taken the teeth out of holdouts and related threats.
Cousins took on some risk. He accepted a short deal, but demanded the whole thing gtd. That was smart of him because now he has the leverage. More players need to do that.
I won't, since there's no damn way I'd perform the best in my field on a contract that is very loosely guaranteed, and run the risk of playing well below market and suffering an injury that could end my career before getting my next (and first real lucrative) contract.
But I'm sure a lot of people will lie through their teeth and claim they'd play out the contract.
If he did suffer a career ending injury (and this is the Giants we are talking about) his endorsements would soon dry up.
Complete and utter bullshit.