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Was the 2000 Super Bowl season a bust?

Matt in SGS : 6/24/2018 8:30 pm
If you have ever been to MetLife and looked at the Giants trophy room, you will notice a few things. The Giants heavily feature the 4 Super Bowl Championship teams (as they should). There are pictures around the stadium featuring the 1986, 1990, 2007 and 2011 teams, and the 4 trophies in your face.

But noticeably absent is any real focus on the 2000 team, which won the NFC Championship blowing out the Vikings, and then were lucky not to get shut out by Baltimore in the Super Bowl.

As I recall, one of the criticisms of Jim Fassel when he was fired was that Fassel used to wear his NFC Championship ring around the Giants offices, which didn't endear him to the ownership. You don't normally think of Mara in the same breath as a George Steinbrenner (ie- championship or bust), but it appears there is something to that.

The question for BBI'ers, when I go back and I look at some of the playoff runs the Giants had in the 1980s when they didn't get to the Super Bowl, it is actually looked at more fondly than the 2000 run which ended in a Super Bowl loss. Should the Giants do more to recognize the 2000 team, or are they more or less relegated to persona non grata in Giants history?
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No, 2000 was not a bust...  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/25/2018 10:27 am : link
...but IMO 2002 sure was.
Ravens were the best team  
mittenedman : 6/25/2018 10:50 am : link
that year & deserved to win.

For me it just reminds how underrated that 2011 win @ Candlestick was. IMO that was the best D since the 2000 Ravens and Eli beat them on the road, in the rain on natural grass. And IIRC the 49ers ground crew made sure the field was a mudpit.

One of the great performances in NFL history and nobody outside Giants fans will ever remember.


It was a helluva ride with a rotten ending  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2018 10:55 am : link
But I can appreciate the ride anyway. That season was totally out of the blue. I don't agree with anyone who thinks that the Super Bowl ruined the entire season. A ruined season is more like 2008, when they were terrific most of the year and then fell apart late and lost in embarrassing fashion at home to a division rival.
JonC  
bc4life : 6/25/2018 12:03 pm : link
Burress doesn't busta acp in how own ass and Strahan stayed around for one more year. Had to like their chances, even without Strahan. With Burress out - Eli didn't have enough alternative weapons
bc  
JonC : 6/25/2018 12:05 pm : link
Yup, PB was an Eagle Killer to the extent I liked our chances of overcoming the pass rush flat out gassing as it did in the Wildcard game.
Oh horseshit  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2018 12:14 pm : link
Plax shooting himself threw the team into chaos because of the circus surrounding the whole story, but they were 10-1 with Plax doing next to nothing all year and went into Arizona and beat the Cardinals without him. If you want to say that the injuries as a whole degraded the team to the point that they couldn't win, fine, but the myth of Plax's magic presence is just that - myth. Plax's absence didn't make Eli throw a horrific interception to give the Eagles the ball on the goal line early in the game. It didn't make the defense unable to stop the Eagles on 3rd and 20. It didn't make them completely unable to convert 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1.
The Giants, were the 2nd best team in the NFL ....  
Manny in CA : 6/25/2018 12:15 pm : link

Even with their flea-bitten offensive line.

The Ravens had a generational best defense; they inflicted the punishment that any self respecting buzzsaw does ...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/crossout/images/9/92/Buzzsaw.png/revision/latest?cb=20180124062357
Greg  
JonC : 6/25/2018 12:16 pm : link
Pro football is all about matchups, especially in the playoffs, and PB was an Eagle Killer with NYG. He could have been enough to swing the pendulum to win that game.
Weird shit tends to happen  
JonC : 6/25/2018 12:18 pm : link
to a team (and Eli) missing one of its main weapons, and to its confidence when playing a team that's had their number shows up ready to play. It has a tendency to trickle through out the team, eg this very game and the blown wildcard game in SF in 2002 as examples.
JonC  
bc4life : 6/25/2018 12:19 pm : link
He doesn't understand the role that Plax played not only as a weapon but as a distraction (e.g., drawing double coverages) allowing other receivers to get open.

One of the Eagles - corners, cannot remember which one (pro bowler) said it made a huge difference. But Greg knows better than him I suppose
The Raven game ruined 2000 for me  
Go Terps : 6/25/2018 12:21 pm : link
It's all I remember.

I was in New Orleans for Super Bowl 47 (Ravens-49ers) with a buddy of mine who is a huge Jets fan. The night before the game he said he'd do anything for the Jets to just get to a Super Bowl. I disagreed with his sentiment based on the Raven game...if you get to the Super Bowl, you'd better win it. It's a brutal game to lose.

Walking out of the Superdome amongst a bunch of dejected 49ers fans after the game, my buddy changed his mind. If you get there, you'd better win it. That's part of what makes that game so great.
Manny re: the OLine  
bc4life : 6/25/2018 12:22 pm : link
I remember Armistead quote about Parker, criticizing his physique. Something to the effect of how he was amazed that Parker could ball the way he did "with a body like that".

One of Giant OL players said after the game - playing against Goose & Adams was like being in a phone booth with a grizzly bear.
RE: Ravens game  
bc4life : 6/25/2018 12:25 pm : link
Again - getting the interception called back because of defensive hold call on Hamilton and Shawn Williams on Stokely poor coverage doomed any chance they had of pulling out that game
giving credence to the 2000 team  
GiantsLaw : 6/25/2018 12:42 pm : link
would result in giving credence to Fassel, and that seems to be not allowed.
I take my que  
joeinpa : 6/25/2018 12:44 pm : link
From Amani Tooker who was furious with the coaches for how unprepared Giants were for that game

I m with the Mara s, not much use for that season
'08 bothers me much more.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2018 12:51 pm : link
That team was rolling along until Plax idiotically shot himself & the defense started wearing down. That said, if Plax plays vs. the Eagles, that's a huge difference. And if we beat the Eagles, I think we beat Arizona & we're in the Super Bowl.
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2018 1:16 pm : link
I still wonder what would have happened with the 2010 team if they had made the playoffs. I felt like that team had a run in them. But, the game we shall not speak of obviously de-railed that.

I thank my lucky stars every fucking day that we won the Super Bowl the very next season. Otherwise that would still sting way more than it does now.
Can’t have it both ways-  
Sean : 6/25/2018 1:24 pm : link
numerous people here rip the Giants for so few playoff seasons/playoff wins. How can you run with that narrative & then say 2000 was a bust?

The Patriots have lost 3 SB’s under Belichick/Brady, the Steelers have lost SB’s, Broncos, etc.

We have been incredibly spoiled to have a 4-1 record in SB’s, it’s in the top tier of the NFL. 5-0 in NFC title games!

2000 was a fun ride which I look back fondly on. Hell, we beat the Eagles in the playoffs & 3 times that year.
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Big Blue '56 : 6/25/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13999298 arcarsenal said:
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I still wonder what would have happened with the 2010 team if they had made the playoffs. I felt like that team had a run in them. But, the game we shall not speak of obviously de-railed that.

I thank my lucky stars every fucking day that we won the Super Bowl the very next season. Otherwise that would still sting way more than it does now.


Interesting how the ‘’97 playoff meltdown against the Vikes with 90 seconds left and up by 10 (not to mention leading 22-3 at halftime) still, IF I EVER THINK ABOUT IT, is a more devastating loss than the ‘89 Flipper game and the 2002 meltdown against the Niners. But that’s just me. Yes, I agree, we could have made real noise in 2010
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13999306 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13999298 arcarsenal said:


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I still wonder what would have happened with the 2010 team if they had made the playoffs. I felt like that team had a run in them. But, the game we shall not speak of obviously de-railed that.

I thank my lucky stars every fucking day that we won the Super Bowl the very next season. Otherwise that would still sting way more than it does now.



Interesting how the ‘’97 playoff meltdown against the Vikes with 90 seconds left and up by 10 (not to mention leading 22-3 at halftime) still, IF I EVER THINK ABOUT IT, is a more devastating loss than the ‘89 Flipper game and the 2002 meltdown against the Niners. But that’s just me. Yes, I agree, we could have made real noise in 2010


Ugh.. Chris Calloway. Still remember that like it was yesterday. Terrible loss.
i odnt think so  
BlackburnBalledOut : 6/25/2018 1:54 pm : link
this is a top flight sports franchise. althouhg the 2000 NFC title game is an all time great game in NYG history, im not one to celebrate anything short of a SB victory. Close doesnt do me any satisfaction, especially the way that game (SB35) turned out.

That game should be remembered for the Ravens cappping off one of the greatest defensive teams in NFL history, not the Giants getting there in spectacular fashion just to get their doors blown off.

All hail Ron Dixon.
If Fassel wasn't allowed to "celebrate 2nd place" around there,  
Mr. Bungle : 6/25/2018 2:07 pm : link
then the franchise can't, either.
I look back fondly on the Fassel era  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/25/2018 3:48 pm : link
after the shitshow that was most of the rest of the 90s era Giants.

I'm of the generation that grew up with the 80s teams, and then the crap that followed. Tge Fassel era brought back some respectability to the team. 2000 was a good year, and that playoff run was great.

And we did lose to one of the greatest defenses of the modern era, even if it took me a long time as a fan to get over it and see it that way.

That team has a special place in my heart
I look back fondly on the Fassel era  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/25/2018 3:55 pm : link
after the shitshow that was most of the rest of the 90s era Giants.

I'm of the generation that grew up with the 80s teams, and then the crap that followed. Tge Fassel era brought back some respectability to the team. 2000 was a good year, and that playoff run was great.

And we did lose to one of the greatest defenses of the modern era, even if it took me a long time as a fan to get over it and see it that way.

That team has a special place in my heart
We had some great coaches on that team  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/25/2018 4:08 pm : link
Peyton and Fox, both have been really successful elsewhere.
RE: I look back fondly on the Fassel era  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13999437 Sneakers O'toole said:
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after the shitshow that was most of the rest of the 90s era Giants.

I'm of the generation that grew up with the 80s teams, and then the crap that followed. Tge Fassel era brought back some respectability to the team. 2000 was a good year, and that playoff run was great.

And we did lose to one of the greatest defenses of the modern era, even if it took me a long time as a fan to get over it and see it that way.

That team has a special place in my heart


I'm with you there. After the disaster that was Handley and Reeves, the Fassel teams were an improvement despite their flaws.
Funny thing is  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/25/2018 4:53 pm : link
I was excited by the Reeves hire. Boy was I wrong there
It was a great hire....for one year  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2018 4:56 pm : link
1993 was similar to 2000 - a wonderful ride with a lousy ending. It was just a couple of round earlier, that's all.
It started out well  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/25/2018 5:03 pm : link
for Broncos East ☺

I was a rabid Giants fan during the Fassel years.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/25/2018 5:20 pm : link
But they only won a playoff game in one of his seven seasons. (Two one-and-dones otherwise.) Pretty disappointing, even though they never really had an elite roster during his tenure.

Overall, it's pretty hard to believe that only four Giants seasons since 1991 (27 years!) have included playoff wins. That's kind of shitty.
RE: It was a great hire....for one year  
Mr. Bungle : 6/25/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13999499 Greg from LI said:
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1993 was similar to 2000 - a wonderful ride with a lousy ending. It was just a couple of round earlier, that's all.

That 1993 team was good enough to win it all, in my opinion, but the bye week and home game were crucial towards doing it. They were better than the 2000 team, which went (as you said) two rounds further.

The 1993 regular season finale might be -- to me, anyway -- the most monumental Giants regular season loss.
2000 was an incredible season...  
bw in dc : 6/25/2018 6:08 pm : link
It wasn't a bust, because the Ravens were spectacular on D, but it the sting still lingers because we lost to Dilfer and that pedestrian offense.
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