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NFT: So, why was the thread taken down...

M.S. : 6/25/2018 3:50 pm
...on the NYT Article about a flattening yield curve?

I put it up a while ago and when I came back it was gone.

Did someone make it political?

This is BBI...I think  
rebel yell : 6/25/2018 3:54 pm : link
you just answered your own question.
Sorry man...  
Chris in Philly : 6/25/2018 3:56 pm : link
Someone wished Randy a happy birthday and all hell broke loose...
Another interesting thread  
mrvax : 6/25/2018 3:58 pm : link
vanished on Sat/Sunday. Of all things, it was about car insurance recommendations!
somebody mentioned the death of  
madgiantscow009 : 6/25/2018 4:00 pm : link
michael moore or something like that.
It was political by like the 2nd post  
Giantology : 6/25/2018 4:01 pm : link
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Why do users need to ask  
JonC : 6/25/2018 4:04 pm : link
a question with an obvious and often singular answer ...
aw man  
Csonka : 6/25/2018 4:09 pm : link
I missed that thread and would like to know what people think about it.

is it as simple as maybe stop raising the f'ing short term fed funds rate every 3 months when there's no real inflation?
I had NO IDEA...  
M.S. : 6/25/2018 4:11 pm : link


...someone would turn it into a political thread.

Usually, if I think a topic/article would veer that way, I just don't post it.

But fucking interest rates?

I was looking forward to hearing from several BBI financial experts on what they make of the yield curve.

Oh, well...
Go ahead, bring up the 200 day moving average  
schabadoo : 6/25/2018 4:12 pm : link
See what happens.
RE: aw man  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13999458 Csonka said:
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I missed that thread and would like to know what people think about it.

is it as simple as maybe stop raising the f'ing short term fed funds rate every 3 months when there's no real inflation?

You didn’t miss anything - it died fast after a snide political comment.

As for the Federal Funds rate, the rate was at near zero 6 years into an economic expansion. That’s dangerous to continue. Cutting the federal funds rate is one of the big weapons the Fed as at its disposal during a financial crisis. Leaving it near zero severely impairs their ability to act. Even with the increase, the rate is still at a very low rate historically.
RE: RE: aw man  
mrvax : 6/25/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13999467 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 13999458 Csonka said:


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I missed that thread and would like to know what people think about it.

is it as simple as maybe stop raising the f'ing short term fed funds rate every 3 months when there's no real inflation?


You didn’t miss anything - it died fast after a snide political comment.

As for the Federal Funds rate, the rate was at near zero 6 years into an economic expansion. That’s dangerous to continue. Cutting the federal funds rate is one of the big weapons the Fed as at its disposal during a financial crisis. Leaving it near zero severely impairs their ability to act. Even with the increase, the rate is still at a very low rate historically.


Jim, does this have to with the Federal Reserve? If so, I've always wondered how/why the hell did this private organization ever get to control 100% of the U.S. money supply? Weird.
RE: I had NO IDEA...  
njm : 6/25/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13999459 M.S. said:
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...someone would turn it into a political thread.

Usually, if I think a topic/article would veer that way, I just don't post it.

But fucking interest rates?

I was looking forward to hearing from several BBI financial experts on what they make of the yield curve.

Oh, well...


A couple of snide political posts about the NYT as a source. Before deletion I responded by saying that given that the current US rates are so skewed with respect to the rest of the world and there is so much central bank intervention (again comparatively) it is difficult to rely on the past as precedent.

RE: RE: I had NO IDEA...  
M.S. : 6/25/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13999474 njm said:
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In comment 13999459 M.S. said:


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...someone would turn it into a political thread.

Usually, if I think a topic/article would veer that way, I just don't post it.

But fucking interest rates?

I was looking forward to hearing from several BBI financial experts on what they make of the yield curve.

Oh, well...



A couple of snide political posts about the NYT as a source. Before deletion I responded by saying that given that the current US rates are so skewed with respect to the rest of the world and there is so much central bank intervention (again comparatively) it is difficult to rely on the past as precedent.

Ahhh... got it! Thanks.
RE: RE: RE: aw man  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2018 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13999472 mrvax said:
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Jim, does this have to with the Federal Reserve? If so, I've always wondered how/why the hell did this private organization ever get to control 100% of the U.S. money supply? Weird.

It’s not a private organization. The individual Federal Reserve banks are private entities, but the Federal Reserve system itself is a government organization operated by governors appointed by the President.

It was created because before it’s existence the US had a financial panic every few years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: aw man  
mrvax : 6/25/2018 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13999481 Jim in Fairfax said:
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It was created because before it’s existence the US had a financial panic every few years.


Seems like some things never change.
RE: Why do users need to ask  
Beezer : 6/25/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13999451 JonC said:
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a question with an obvious and often singular answer ...


Out of curiosity for specifics. I'm sometimes fascinated how things can fly off the rails over what might appear, on the surface, to be a somewhat innocuous (and apolitical) subject.
i used to see  
UESBLUE : 6/25/2018 5:02 pm : link
in depth financial threads last for pages on here. Times are different now tho. A lot of anger around...
RE: i used to see  
M.S. : 6/25/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13999506 UESBLUE said:
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in depth financial threads last for pages on here. Times are different now tho. A lot of anger around...

You can say that again... a whole lotta anger!
market  
spike : 6/25/2018 5:14 pm : link
took a beating today..
Such a pity  
Jay in Toronto : 6/25/2018 5:57 pm : link
There are many BBIers with different expertise and interesting POVs and a small minority spoils it for the rest of us.
RE: RE: Why do users need to ask  
micky : 6/26/2018 6:56 am : link
In comment 13999501 Beezer said:
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In comment 13999451 JonC said:


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a question with an obvious and often singular answer ...



Out of curiosity for specifics. I'm sometimes fascinated how things can fly off the rails over what might appear, on the surface, to be a somewhat innocuous (and apolitical) subject.


because people are stupid and a holes. answered lol
Because this place sucks  
WideRight : 6/26/2018 9:41 am : link

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My comment at the time was that you were really asking if a recession was imminent because of a trend in the yield curve, and the obvious answer is nobody really knows. So the thread wasn't going to go anywhere except in the shitter.

The surprise was that it went so quickly.

Advice to the Mods: if you really want donations to keep this site going, consider asking the trolls that you cater to with decisions like this...


I agree with the commeng to the mods.  
manh george : 6/26/2018 12:04 pm : link
I then have a question and a comment. The question is this: when a single asshole turns an economic discussion into a political one and ruins the thread, do you ban the asshole? Is the idiot who ruined this discussion at least suspended?

My comment is about the question of the flatness of the Treasury yield curve. In a pretty detailed recent article, I went into this, making the case that technological change is very likely pushing down out-year inflation expectations and related Treasury yields down. The basic concepts are this:

--As Automation/Robotics/AI take hold, productivity will rebound, and disposable incomes will come under pressure. This pair of trends creates what is known as a growing "output gap": more and cheaper products and services, weaker demand. This would be AT LEAST disinflationary.

--Since the productivity rebound hasn't started yet, t isn't in Fed thinking--although many of their economists are looking at these issues. So, the focus is on near and intermediate term patterns, which means Fed tightening and higher short/intermediate yields.

--The long end, though, is appropriately beginning to discount lower inflation later on.

The result, as I see it, is that long-term Treasury yields are discounting a very different economic environment than the inner curve, and don't need to move higher. Bottom line: a flat to negative Treasury curve is quite possible WITHOUT risk of recession.

Detailed discussion of the productivity issue from a great team of futurist economists led by Brynjolfsson linked below.
Link - ( New Window )
There were multiple political comments on it,  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/26/2018 1:00 pm : link
not just snide remarks about the Times, and really it's hard to discuss an issue like this without it being political.

Regarding bannings, banning of multiple posters does effect the site and site quality, so we try to do it judiciously. Since there were more than just a few political comments, and back and forth about the comments, and since the topic is conducive to political comments, it seemed more expedient to delete the thread.

Frankly, I'm really not sure why some of you are surprised about this.
RE: RE: RE: aw man  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/26/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13999472 mrvax said:
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In comment 13999467 Jim in Fairfax said:


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In comment 13999458 Csonka said:


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I missed that thread and would like to know what people think about it.

is it as simple as maybe stop raising the f'ing short term fed funds rate every 3 months when there's no real inflation?


You didn’t miss anything - it died fast after a snide political comment.

As for the Federal Funds rate, the rate was at near zero 6 years into an economic expansion. That’s dangerous to continue. Cutting the federal funds rate is one of the big weapons the Fed as at its disposal during a financial crisis. Leaving it near zero severely impairs their ability to act. Even with the increase, the rate is still at a very low rate historically.



Jim, does this have to with the Federal Reserve? If so, I've always wondered how/why the hell did this private organization ever get to control 100% of the U.S. money supply? Weird.


No weird. Allows for a ton of control with no oversight. All
Nations use currency manipulation as an economic weapon. Not the biggest fan of the sketchy crypto currency market but governments do NOT want any currency they can't manipulate.
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