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NYP: Phil Simms says Giants don’t have a choice with OBJ

Defenderdawg : 6/25/2018 4:36 pm
“He is one of the best weapons on offense I’ve seen in the NFL in a long time,” Simms told The Post. “Antonio Brown is great, but he’s a different type of player. So is Julio Jones. I just look at Odell Beckham Jr. and, man, I don’t know what to say...”

“Old-timers and writers look at his antics and this and all that. We had a guy who had some antics, too. We put up with him, and it worked out pretty well...”

“You need zero distractions,’’ he said. “You want him on your team, you know what he is and you know you’re all-in this year. All right, so go all-in. You got to go all-in and that means you got to get Odell Beckham Jr. signed and not make it a big part of the whole offseason story on every TV show I have to watch. So get it over with.’’


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I agree 100%  
Jay on the Island : 6/25/2018 4:43 pm : link
The Giants say that Eli has several years left in him then they need to keep his #1 weapon. Beckham has been a model teammate this offseason and was in attendance for most of the OTA's. Despite the media's best efforts to create a false narrative around Beckham he has done everything right. Now it is time for the Giants to reward Beckham. Extending him now also allows them to lower his cap hit this season in order to free up some much needed cap room to sign Barkley.
They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
RobCarpenter : 6/25/2018 4:45 pm : link
The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.
RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
djstat : 6/25/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:
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Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.
He was asked his opinion in an interview so he gave an answer. No need to keep his mouth shut. I personally like hearing his opinion and think for everyone who cries about OBJ having issues, he pointed out that LT had some issues.

The franchise Tag gives leverage, but OBJ has endorsements so he can afford to sit out until week 10.
Agree with Phil.  
Beezer : 6/25/2018 5:00 pm : link

Seriously, are the Giants NOT going to sign the most dynamic offensive weapon in the league? Come on. And especially now when there's potentially to have another player on that same level, in Barkley? These opportunities don't come along often. They've got lightning in a bottle. Don't waste it.
All this noise.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/25/2018 5:15 pm : link
If truly healthy, he will be signed and they’ll both be content..
I want him signed too...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/25/2018 5:22 pm : link
but it's tough to do under the cap. Giants can control FA for a couple more years if they want, so if he wants to be paid like a FA he really needs to be giving a discount to the Giants right now. If he wants to be the highest paid player ever he's got to wait it out until he hits FA, imo.

I'm really hoping that doesn't happen - I hope he sees the value in staying in NYC and working with this team. I hope he gets that by agreeing to a contract now it won't set a record, but it will lock in guarantees for him forever.

Get it done - Giants AND OBJ.
I'm at an interesting point with OBJ...  
bw in dc : 6/25/2018 6:03 pm : link
I think it's the smart move for him to hold out; but think the Giants should not sign him for anything by a small premium above AB - tops.
The Giants may not want to commit to OBJ  
CT Charlie : 6/25/2018 6:28 pm : link
until they see how good Eli still is. If they have to pay Eli for 3-4 more years, then OBJ may be a luxury they can't afford.
RE: The Giants may not want to commit to OBJ  
Mad Mike : 6/25/2018 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13999561 CT Charlie said:
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until they see how good Eli still is. If they have to pay Eli for 3-4 more years, then OBJ may be a luxury they can't afford.

Yeah, you definitely can't invest in a top flight receiver if you feel your QB has a future.
Pay him already  
adamg : 6/25/2018 6:38 pm : link
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RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
speedywheels : 6/25/2018 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:
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The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.


Salary cap won't be an issue; there are plenty of workarounds to minimize the impact the first few seasons...
RobCarpenter  
joeinpa : 6/25/2018 7:33 pm : link
I disagree with your take on Simms as a football talking head, that s just my opinion

But what is wrong or inaccurate about his take on Beckham
RE: RE: The Giants may not want to commit to OBJ  
bradshaw44 : 6/25/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13999564 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 13999561 CT Charlie said:


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until they see how good Eli still is. If they have to pay Eli for 3-4 more years, then OBJ may be a luxury they can't afford.


Yeah, you definitely can't invest in a top flight receiver if you feel your QB has a future.


Lol
RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
GoBlue6599 : 6/25/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:
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The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.

Why does he need to keep his mouth shut? Because you say so?
Give me a break
problem will be eli  
msh : 6/25/2018 8:55 pm : link
thou they cant afford to pay OBJ and eli so unless they are both willing to lower thier salary demands (or eli gives them a huge chunk of his cap space back) which is very unlikely then they will be staring the prospect of choosing one or the other ...and sooner rather than later

and with eli not putting the numbers up (not his fault for alot of it but he will be judged on his production right or wrong) and his age plus they have webb and lauletta so they would be in a better position with OBJ than with eli and no OBJ,beckham has vastly outplayed that contract so he does deserve to be paid, maybe not what he thinks he should but nearer to it at least

best result would be a total reversal of fortunes with barkley/OBJ lighting it up and the defence becoming a top 10 unit,propelling eli to his 3rd superbowl this year and he retires ontop. or equally if eli doesnt have a resurgence under the new regime and is replaced by one of the young guys who does light it up instead.

worse case is eli bombs and neither of the young guys is capable of taking over ,i think webb is good enough especially if you build the offence more around running barkley than throwing the ball as dallas has done with zeke and dak only better. in my view as they have OBJ in his prime not dez on the backend of his career,and a stud in engram versus a broken down witten

i could be biased but i believe this was gettlemans fallback plan and why he was so comfortable taking barkley,that and i think he was similarly underwhelmed by the QB's available in this draft as well

all question of his HoF credentials erased and his salary cap space opened up by him walking away ontop ,to pay OBJ and collins the extentions they need to pay,eli's place in giants history untouchable

or he shows he really is done and they move on in which case they still have his cap space to use. (i dont think thats the case. and neither does the giants new regime but it is still something you need to consider could happen) in which case eli's time with the team will be devalued and questioned for the rest of time

any which way its a big year for eli sucess or failure
RE: problem will be eli  
02/03/2008 : 6/25/2018 9:04 pm : link
Wow, not a grammar nazi, but come on dude. I can’t even read or understand the point you are trying to make. You clearly know how to use upper case on your keyboard, it sure if you know where the period is though. Try using some punctuation besides a comma in the wrong place and someone might be able to follow your thoughts.

capIn comment 13999635 msh said:
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thou they cant afford to pay OBJ and eli so unless they are both willing to lower thier salary demands (or eli gives them a huge chunk of his cap space back) which is very unlikely then they will be staring the prospect of choosing one or the other ...and sooner rather than later

and with eli not putting the numbers up (not his fault for alot of it but he will be judged on his production right or wrong) and his age plus they have webb and lauletta so they would be in a better position with OBJ than with eli and no OBJ,beckham has vastly outplayed that contract so he does deserve to be paid, maybe not what he thinks he should but nearer to it at least

best result would be a total reversal of fortunes with barkley/OBJ lighting it up and the defence becoming a top 10 unit,propelling eli to his 3rd superbowl this year and he retires ontop. or equally if eli doesnt have a resurgence under the new regime and is replaced by one of the young guys who does light it up instead.

worse case is eli bombs and neither of the young guys is capable of taking over ,i think webb is good enough especially if you build the offence more around running barkley than throwing the ball as dallas has done with zeke and dak only better. in my view as they have OBJ in his prime not dez on the backend of his career,and a stud in engram versus a broken down witten

i could be biased but i believe this was gettlemans fallback plan and why he was so comfortable taking barkley,that and i think he was similarly underwhelmed by the QB's available in this draft as well

all question of his HoF credentials erased and his salary cap space opened up by him walking away ontop ,to pay OBJ and collins the extentions they need to pay,eli's place in giants history untouchable

or he shows he really is done and they move on in which case they still have his cap space to use. (i dont think thats the case. and neither does the giants new regime but it is still something you need to consider could happen) in which case eli's time with the team will be devalued and questioned for the rest of time

any which way its a big year for eli sucess or failure
Well, not this season......  
Doomster : 6/25/2018 9:12 pm : link
I agree 100%
Jay on the Island : 4:43 pm : link : reply

The franchise Tag gives leverage, but OBJ has endorsements so he can afford to sit out until week 10.


He is under contract and the Giants have the option of fining him 40K per day if he does not show up....the question is not what happens next year, it's what will happen this year.....

Will he play without a new contract?
RE: Agree with Phil.  
Steve L : 6/25/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13999504 Beezer said:
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Seriously, are the Giants NOT going to sign the most dynamic offensive weapon in the league? Come on. And especially now when there's potentially to have another player on that same level, in Barkley? These opportunities don't come along often. They've got lightning in a bottle. Don't waste it.


THIS ^^^^^^!

We’d be the laughing stock of the league if we let him go when we have Barkley too.
RE: Well, not this season......  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/25/2018 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13999655 Dumpster said:
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I agree 100%
Jay on the Island : 4:43 pm : link : reply

The franchise Tag gives leverage, but OBJ has endorsements so he can afford to sit out until week 10.


He is under contract and the Giants have the option of fining him 40K per day if he does not show up....the question is not what happens next year, it's what will happen this year.....

Will he play without a new contract?

Still can't figure out the "reply" feature, huh?
John Mara basically gave his word that the Giants would pay him  
steve in ky : 6/26/2018 12:05 am : link
IMO once you say it then you man up and pay the man.

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John Mara

July 2017:

"He deserves to get paid. We're going to pay him. It's just a question of when we enter into the contract," Mara said on Friday after the Giants' first practice of training camp. "And I don't have a timetable on it right now. I just don't feel like there's any need to rush into it, but he's going to end up getting paid at some point."

"You'd like to lock him up long-term, you'd like to keep him happy, but there's no urgency to do it," Mara said. "I think we want to get to it at some point. Whether it happens during the season or after the season, I just can't give you a timetable on it."
I do not think they are going to give him ...  
short lease : 6/26/2018 3:41 am : link
"Elite Franchise QB" money (I think I read that is what he was asking for at 1 point?). But, Give him the "highest paid receiver in the league" money and add a dollar (so the ego is satiated).

It can't be that hard ... could it?
RE: problem will be eli  
short lease : 6/26/2018 3:51 am : link
In comment 13999635 msh said:
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thou they cant afford to pay OBJ and eli so unless they are both willing to lower thier salary demands (or eli gives them a huge chunk of his cap space back) which is very unlikely then they will be staring the prospect of choosing one or the other ...and sooner rather than later

and with eli not putting the numbers up (not his fault for alot of it but he will be judged on his production right or wrong) and his age plus they have webb and lauletta so they would be in a better position with OBJ than with eli and no OBJ,beckham has vastly outplayed that contract so he does deserve to be paid, maybe not what he thinks he should but nearer to it at least

best result would be a total reversal of fortunes with barkley/OBJ lighting it up and the defence becoming a top 10 unit,propelling eli to his 3rd superbowl this year and he retires ontop. or equally if eli doesnt have a resurgence under the new regime and is replaced by one of the young guys who does light it up instead.

worse case is eli bombs and neither of the young guys is capable of taking over ,i think webb is good enough especially if you build the offence more around running barkley than throwing the ball as dallas has done with zeke and dak only better. in my view as they have OBJ in his prime not dez on the backend of his career,and a stud in engram versus a broken down witten

i could be biased but i believe this was gettlemans fallback plan and why he was so comfortable taking barkley,that and i think he was similarly underwhelmed by the QB's available in this draft as well

all question of his HoF credentials erased and his salary cap space opened up by him walking away ontop ,to pay OBJ and collins the extentions they need to pay,eli's place in giants history untouchable

or he shows he really is done and they move on in which case they still have his cap space to use. (i dont think thats the case. and neither does the giants new regime but it is still something you need to consider could happen) in which case eli's time with the team will be devalued and questioned for the rest of time

any which way its a big year for Eli success or failure



Eli should call Brady and ask about that deferred type payment to his foundation that Kraft donated(?) to? It is all rumor and speculation of course ....

I am sure Eli can find (if he wants to - does he want to?) a clever and crafty (code words for corrupt) lawyer to make it legal and by the rules of the NFL. Saves the team cap money and enough to get Beckham signed(!!!?). I love it ... I love the idea.
Phil is correct  
RetroJint : 6/26/2018 6:51 am : link
I can’t believe Gettleman has let this thing ride. Pay the guy .
Can’t Eli just throw a bunch of his high passes  
Jimmy Googs : 6/26/2018 7:33 am : link
and see how many OBJ can reach? If he catches the lions share and lands with no issue then give him his new contract...
Gatorade Drunk,  
Doomster : 6/26/2018 7:40 am : link
I say potato, you say potahto....
RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
Boy Cord : 6/26/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:
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The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.


Keep his mouth shut? Phil Simms makes a lot of money giving his opinion on all things football, whether people like that opinion or not. He also happens to be right IMO.
RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
Mike from Ohio : 6/26/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:
Quote:
The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.


A guy who played football and is now paid to discuss football answered a question he was asked in an interview related to football?

Yeah, shut up Simms! No more football talk from you because it bothers some internet dope.
RE: RE: They didn't have the salary cap in the 80s  
gmenatlarge : 6/26/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13999875 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13999488 RobCarpenter said:


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The issue with OBJ will 100% be about salary. And the Giants have leverage with the franchise tag.

Personally I hope he is resigned for a long term deal, but he's coming off of an injury.

Also I loved Simms as a QB but he is terrible as an announcer, and on these types of topics he should just keep his mouth shut.



A guy who played football and is now paid to discuss football answered a question he was asked in an interview related to football?

Yeah, shut up Simms! No more football talk from you because it bothers some internet dope.


+1 After all it's his job, duh!
I agree...  
x meadowlander : 6/26/2018 10:51 am : link
...but only AFTER Odell proves he isn't slowed by last seasons injuries.
They are going to sign Odell  
blueblood : 6/26/2018 10:55 am : link
they want to check his medicals obviously and i wouldnt be surprised if they attempt to put some " character " clauses in his contract..

But they are going to sign him
Couple of things that I agree with...  
Keith : 6/26/2018 11:05 am : link
He is a unique talent. He is the best WR in the game and one of the best playmakers the league has seen in a long time. He is very important to the Giants and he deserves a long term deal.

That being said, its hard to put this on the Giants without knowing exactly what he is asking for. What if he wants a contract similar to Eli? You can't just say pay the man, there's a salary cap. I really hope the Giants want to get this done soon, because it benefits the team to get this taken care of before camp. Nobody wins if Odell holds out and then plays scared to get hurt.
Do you all really think Simms is a good announcer?  
RobCarpenter : 6/26/2018 11:18 am : link
Wow.

Look, I love OBJ as a player, I think he's fantastic and I could care less about the off the field stuff.

I was only pointing out that the issue with resigning him is about salary and not about any of the off the field stuff. And he's coming back from an injury. And the franchise tag gives them leverage.
RE: Do you all really think Simms is a good announcer?  
Mike from Ohio : 6/26/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13999910 RobCarpenter said:
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Wow.

Look, I love OBJ as a player, I think he's fantastic and I could care less about the off the field stuff.

I was only pointing out that the issue with resigning him is about salary and not about any of the off the field stuff. And he's coming back from an injury. And the franchise tag gives them leverage.


He gets paid to discuss football. What would you have done in his spot? "Well I suck as an announcer so I can't possibly answer that question. I wish people would stop asking me football questions."

If you don't like Phil's commentary, ignore it. It's shocking to consider this, but there is a possibility everyone doesn't share your views.
RE: RE: Do you all really think Simms is a good announcer?  
RobCarpenter : 6/26/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13999931 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13999910 RobCarpenter said:


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Wow.

Look, I love OBJ as a player, I think he's fantastic and I could care less about the off the field stuff.

I was only pointing out that the issue with resigning him is about salary and not about any of the off the field stuff. And he's coming back from an injury. And the franchise tag gives them leverage.



He gets paid to discuss football. What would you have done in his spot? "Well I suck as an announcer so I can't possibly answer that question. I wish people would stop asking me football questions."

If you don't like Phil's commentary, ignore it. It's shocking to consider this, but there is a possibility everyone doesn't share your views.


I'm well aware that other people don't share my views. I don't just ignore something I don't like, that seems like an odd way to function as an adult.

There's also a possibility that people on here have blinders on when it comes to Phil Simms.

CBS only dumped him for Tony Romo, but I guess Simms is a great announcer b/c BBI cultists say so.
Romo replacing Simms - ( New Window )
I loved Simms as a player  
RobCarpenter : 6/26/2018 1:53 pm : link
but as an announcer, he was... less than good.

Check out below for some of his quotes.
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Not liking Simms is fine  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2018 1:58 pm : link
but asking former Giants players to not answer Giants related question when it’s their job to do so is strange. Even if it isn’t their job, they are entitled to their opinion.
RE: Not liking Simms is fine  
RobCarpenter : 6/26/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14000005 UConn4523 said:
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but asking former Giants players to not answer Giants related question when it’s their job to do so is strange. Even if it isn’t their job, they are entitled to their opinion.


Fair enough.
That OBJ was all those things before the injury, Simms is right.  
TMS : 6/26/2018 5:03 pm : link
Now the sooner OBJ shows that he is the same player. Everything will fall into place.
Doesn't matter what we think about Simms well its kind of his job for  
Bluesbreaker : 6/26/2018 5:53 pm : link
I think he has forgotten more about football than a lot of us know . But it's a discussion board . The Giants have to
do whats best for the Franchise but its a tough situation
because of the injury which btw still pisses me off that
shot to his knees in pre-season to me it looked purposeful
but wtf do I know . I agree with Phil Pay the man he earned
it . Outside of some of the antics we could all do without he is decent person works harder than nearly anyone . Plays
hurt . Loves the Game Most dynamic WR in the game .
He is what 23 ? To me he is on a mission and I like our
chances this season . He is a game changer roll the dice and see what happens .
RE: RE: RE: Do you all really think Simms is a good announcer?  
Mike from Ohio : 6/27/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 14000002 RobCarpenter said:
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I don't just ignore something I don't like, that seems like an odd way to function as an adult.


Actually most adults do ignore a great deal of things they don't like. If there is a guy in my neighborhood I don't like, I usually just avoid him. I guess you would go get in his face and let him know you don't like him? If you didn't like the color he painted his house you would stop by to tell him?

Most adults here comments all the time they disagree with, and they just go on about their days because they know it doesn't matter. But more power to you and your quest to rid the world of things you don't like!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Do you all really think Simms is a good announcer?  
RobCarpenter : 6/27/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14000588 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14000002 RobCarpenter said:


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I don't just ignore something I don't like, that seems like an odd way to function as an adult.




Actually most adults do ignore a great deal of things they don't like. If there is a guy in my neighborhood I don't like, I usually just avoid him. I guess you would go get in his face and let him know you don't like him? If you didn't like the color he painted his house you would stop by to tell him?

Most adults here comments all the time they disagree with, and they just go on about their days because they know it doesn't matter. But more power to you and your quest to rid the world of things you don't like!


Last I checked BBI is a discussion board, and we use it to discuss topics. That's what I'm doing.

I'm not trying to get rid of things I don't like, I'm just trying to engage in a dialogue.
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