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Justin Tuck to be named new VP at Goldman Sachs

Sneakers O'toole : 6/25/2018 6:38 pm
Things looking good for Tuck in his postplaying career. He will be a VP in their private wealth management department in July.
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Congrats to Justin  
Scyber : 6/26/2018 9:19 am : link
But for those unfamiliar with the finance world, a VP in a finance company is very different then a VP in many other companies. There are a ton of VPs in finance companies. It is basically the mid-level managerial level. Which is unlike more traditional companies where VP is the top of the company (just below president). I don't mean to belittle Justin's accomplishment (b/c it is still an accomplishment), but just wanted to share this info. I was just surprised by this when I first learned it only a few years ago.
RE: Congrats to Justin  
ron mexico : 6/26/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 13999847 Scyber said:
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But for those unfamiliar with the finance world, a VP in a finance company is very different then a VP in many other companies. There are a ton of VPs in finance companies. It is basically the mid-level managerial level. Which is unlike more traditional companies where VP is the top of the company (just below president). I don't mean to belittle Justin's accomplishment (b/c it is still an accomplishment), but just wanted to share this info. I was just surprised by this when I first learned it only a few years ago.


presumably he will be in a revenue generating job managing peoples money. The size of his role and compensation will be almost 100% dependent on how many clients / assets he can bring in the door.
I had the opportunity to meet him a few times at fundraisers  
WideRight : 6/26/2018 9:29 am : link
He's always had "it". Awareness and preparedness for any challenge life throws at you. For example, he wife has been a life-long Eagles fan, and he's been cool with it.

He's very deserving of the position, and Goldman's is lucky to have him.
Future Governor of NJ??  
Elisthebest : 6/26/2018 9:46 am : link
..
Tuck  
Les in TO : 6/26/2018 10:51 am : link
is one of my all time favourite Giants for both his destruction on the field and his off the field initiatives as others have listed. I'm sure he will be successful in his new role as he's smart, hard working and charismatic.

we don't win the super bowls in 2007 and 2011 without him.

A few things  
Yobotic : 6/26/2018 11:15 am : link
I work at a Bank in NYC and VP roles are more a pay range than "Management" I seriously doubt Goldman will let him manage a team after doing an internship, and personally, I would hate to be in a position of being managed by him if I were in the bank.
VP is a significant senior level title  
JonC : 6/26/2018 11:17 am : link
but Wealth Management is a group, he's not necessarily stepping into a management level role.
RE: A few things  
WideRight : 6/26/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13999906 Yobotic said:
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I work at a Bank in NYC and VP roles are more a pay range than "Management" I seriously doubt Goldman will let him manage a team after doing an internship, and personally, I would hate to be in a position of being managed by him if I were in the bank.


Do tell, why would you personally hate to be managed by him?....
RE: RE: A few things  
Mr. Bungle : 6/26/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13999911 WideRight said:
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I work at a Bank in NYC and VP roles are more a pay range than "Management" I seriously doubt Goldman will let him manage a team after doing an internship, and personally, I would hate to be in a position of being managed by him if I were in the bank.



Do tell, why would you personally hate to be managed by him?....

Being managed by a rookie in any field is generally frowned upon.
RE: VP is a significant senior level title  
njm : 6/26/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13999908 JonC said:
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but Wealth Management is a group, he's not necessarily stepping into a management level role.


Likely he will be part of a group with an experienced Managing Director in charge. Right where he should be coming straight out of an MBA program.
Seems like a VERY FAST path to VP  
David B. : 6/26/2018 11:47 am : link
He only recently graduated from Wharton.

I wish him well.

I also wonder how many other GS interns -- even those with MBAs, go straight to VP.
RE: Seems like a VERY FAST path to VP  
ron mexico : 6/26/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13999925 David B. said:
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He only recently graduated from Wharton.

I wish him well.

I also wonder how many other GS interns -- even those with MBAs, go straight to VP.


VP is not that high of a level. People get VP with 3 years of working. There are thousands of VPs in their mid 20s.

Anyway, his role is most likely a glorified stock broker. His compensation is going to be based mainly on how much assets / how many clients he can bring in the door.
Whast an awesome accomplishment  
FranknWeezer : 6/26/2018 11:55 am : link
Proud of our guy!
Great to see  
jpkmets : 6/26/2018 12:18 pm : link
Love it!
RE: RE: VP is a significant senior level title  
JonC : 6/26/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13999918 njm said:
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but Wealth Management is a group, he's not necessarily stepping into a management level role.



Likely he will be part of a group with an experienced Managing Director in charge. Right where he should be coming straight out of an MBA program.


That's my understanding as well. It's also true that smaller firms nowadays will be very quick to hand out VP titles, but with an older, larger GS I'm not so sure of that.
I would assume that his role  
Keith : 6/26/2018 12:29 pm : link
would be similar to that of Wayne Chrebet who is also a licensed broker on a team. He's basically the draw for HNW clients to the team/firm.
RE: RE: Seems like a VERY FAST path to VP  
njm : 6/26/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13999928 ron mexico said:
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Anyway, his role is most likely a glorified stock broker. His compensation is going to be based mainly on how much assets / how many clients he can bring in the door.


I disagree. Yes, bringing in clients will be important. But there will be a lot more going on in private banking than that. Retirement planning, option strategy if it is part of a clients compensation strategy, estate planning will all be part of the mix.
RE: RE: RE: Seems like a VERY FAST path to VP  
ron mexico : 6/26/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13999950 njm said:
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Anyway, his role is most likely a glorified stock broker. His compensation is going to be based mainly on how much assets / how many clients he can bring in the door.



I disagree. Yes, bringing in clients will be important. But there will be a lot more going on in private banking than that. Retirement planning, option strategy if it is part of a clients compensation strategy, estate planning will all be part of the mix.


yes, thus the "glorified" modifier.

But he will need clients to perform all those services for. GS will not provide the clients.
Ron  
figgy2989 : 6/26/2018 2:16 pm : link
You seem a little butt hurt about Tuck landing this role.

Do you not think that he has enough friends in entertainment and former players who he can solicit as potential clients?

RE: Ron  
ron mexico : 6/26/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14000010 figgy2989 said:
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You seem a little butt hurt about Tuck landing this role.

Do you not think that he has enough friends in entertainment and former players who he can solicit as potential clients?


not upset at all. I think the role is a great fit for him with his personality, integrity and a network of newly minted millionaires. Hopefully he can help prevent a some of them from being broke after retirement as we see pretty often.

Just providing clarity to what we are talking about here. Apologies if I don't fill my post with a bunch of platitudes that he will never see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Seems like a VERY FAST path to VP  
njm : 6/26/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13999962 ron mexico said:
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Anyway, his role is most likely a glorified stock broker. His compensation is going to be based mainly on how much assets / how many clients he can bring in the door.



I disagree. Yes, bringing in clients will be important. But there will be a lot more going on in private banking than that. Retirement planning, option strategy if it is part of a clients compensation strategy, estate planning will all be part of the mix.



yes, thus the "glorified" modifier.

But he will need clients to perform all those services for. GS will not provide the clients.


Actually he will initially assist the Managing Director(s) with existing clients. At the same time he will be expected to begin adding to that group. Nobody is expected to build a book of business in 18 months.
njm,  
Keith : 6/26/2018 2:56 pm : link
most training programs at these firms absolutely require you to build your book in 18 months. Usually the temporary salary is over by then and you are 100% commission based so you better have a book that generates revenue.
RE: njm,  
njm : 6/26/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14000050 Keith said:
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most training programs at these firms absolutely require you to build your book in 18 months. Usually the temporary salary is over by then and you are 100% commission based so you better have a book that generates revenue.


Are you sure that holds true for Private Banking at Goldman, Bessemer etc.? This isn't a typical entry level situation.
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njm : 6/26/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14000066 njm said:
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most training programs at these firms absolutely require you to build your book in 18 months. Usually the temporary salary is over by then and you are 100% commission based so you better have a book that generates revenue.



Are you sure that holds true for Private Banking at Goldman, Bessemer etc.? This isn't a typical entry level situation.


Let me add that fees in those divisions are rarely commission based.
RE: RE: njm,  
Keith : 6/26/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14000066 njm said:
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most training programs at these firms absolutely require you to build your book in 18 months. Usually the temporary salary is over by then and you are 100% commission based so you better have a book that generates revenue.



Are you sure that holds true for Private Banking at Goldman, Bessemer etc.? This isn't a typical entry level situation.


No, plus I am sure Tuck doesn't have the same compensation structure as joe blow off the street.

I mentioned it earlier, but I suspect that his role will be similar to that of Wayne Chrebet who got licensed at Morgan Stanley and then his team got bought out to go elsewhere for big money. He's basically the face and name that gets guys to the table so that the senior guys can close the business.
Sorry,  
Keith : 6/26/2018 3:41 pm : link
meant revenue based, not commissions. Wrap fees+Commissions=revenue generated.
Sems  
Yobotic : 6/26/2018 4:47 pm : link
A lot of you guys don't know how roles and responsibilities work at a bank, but, at the same time a lot of you are making a lot of assumptions.

He most likely got the role of VP to justify the pay structure as there is a scale for each position.

To reach the level of VP it generally takes 8-10 years of working in a specific field, sometimes sooner depending on your skill set.

As for management, that is dependent on your role/responsibility/expertise and your experience in a specific product or department.

As for hierarchy, VP's rarely report to MD's, below MD's there are other management positions, such as Directors, Sr. Directors.

Also, there is a difference between managing a department to managing a team to managing resources, often an individual may hold a high position and not manage anything.

On that note, Good for Tuck, its a great company to work for. However, he most likely got a VP position due to his name more so then his MBA, because generally regardless of an MBA, the brightest student who has zero experience in that field outside of an internship does not start at that pay scale.


Also MBA means jack squat for wealth management =) if he were to have a CFA completed that would be more relevant.

cheers.
lol at the above post  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/26/2018 4:53 pm : link
My super insecure friend who's in finance also made it a point to dismiss Tuck's incredible accomplishment and say he's the mere beneficiary of fame. I don't know why it's hard to believe he's earned it and just rose through the ranks faster. Famous or not, if he has hand in someone's finances, I doubt they're letting him take the reigns without the qualifications. Let's just be happy for the guy.
he did a rotation last summer  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/26/2018 5:25 pm : link
with the group and decided to take a full time job for this year. In the group he's in, one can rise to VP much sooner than 8-10 years and it's shorter if coming in with an MBA.

Also, there's a current Giant that just started a short internship with the same group within the last week to start exploring opportunities for life after football.
So, starting his career as a VP?  
Crispino : 6/26/2018 5:54 pm : link
Wharton or not, that seems like it has to be almost an honorary title. Everybody who works in that sector must be called a VP. It’s a little like being a senior contributor at ESPN. Not disparaging JT at all, just making an observation about the title.
RE: So, starting his career as a VP?  
ron mexico : 6/26/2018 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14000277 Crispino said:
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Wharton or not, that seems like it has to be almost an honorary title. Everybody who works in that sector must be called a VP. It’s a little like being a senior contributor at ESPN. Not disparaging JT at all, just making an observation about the title.


VP is not an high level title in banking. It's basically what you get after your first real promotion.

That said the roles and responsibilities of VPs can range quite widely, more than any other title.
Crispino  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/26/2018 6:09 pm : link
you come in as an analyst or associate, and then go through a program to become an advisor, and then can get promoted to VP, a position that some people have for many, many years, while fewer will eventually reach MD. Typically, MBA students will come into the group in the Advisor role (and training program). Tuck going straight to VP is unusual, but his career path is unusual as well.
Most people...  
trueblueinpw : 6/26/2018 7:55 pm : link
I think most of us are living our lives at 20 to 50 percent capacity. Tuck is obviously light at 100. Good job JT. Hoefully he’ll class that place up a bit.
RE: Congrats to Justin  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/27/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13999847 Scyber said:
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But for those unfamiliar with the finance world, a VP in a finance company is very different then a VP in many other companies. There are a ton of VPs in finance companies. It is basically the mid-level managerial level. Which is unlike more traditional companies where VP is the top of the company (just below president). I don't mean to belittle Justin's accomplishment (b/c it is still an accomplishment), but just wanted to share this info. I was just surprised by this when I first learned it only a few years ago.

Nowadays companies hand out the title VP like candy.

But still, congrats mopey Tuck :D
Why work  
spike : 6/27/2018 12:36 pm : link
When hes already a multimillionaire
Does he get to manage  
Bubba : 6/27/2018 12:40 pm : link
his own portfolio?
some differences at Goldman  
Number17 : 6/27/2018 1:20 pm : link
Generally entrants with minimal experience and coming in out of grad school would be Associates.

BA/BS level employees more often come in as Analysts.

Goldman will only recruit / accept from certain schools (for the most part)

Promotion from Associate would be VP. VP is a vast pool of responsibility and comp (into the millions for VPs in IB or Trading).

VPs can report to other VPs, but 'higher level' VPs would report to an MD.

Promotion from VP would be MD. Very rare and only can be done I think now every other year.

You certainly can spend an entire career there and peak at VP.

There are no more official "partners" at GS, but rather MDs can participate in the partner bonus pool. So sort of the same thing as when GS was private.

Tuck obviously brings in experience and passed a rigorous process, and his past success will certainly translate well. Grad school was probably a great proving ground and transitional step for him into a brand new world.
goldman is playing the diversity game  
mdc1 : 6/27/2018 6:02 pm : link
but it won't save you from sleeping on the coach in your office and the results. At some point the numbers better be there.
RE: goldman is playing the diversity game  
ron mexico : 6/27/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14001052 mdc1 said:
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but it won't save you from sleeping on the coach in your office and the results. At some point the numbers better be there.


Yeah they hired the already hugely successful Norte dame and Wharton grad with a huge network of millionaires for "diversity"
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mdc1 : 6/27/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14001054 ron mexico said:
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but it won't save you from sleeping on the coach in your office and the results. At some point the numbers better be there.



Yeah they hired the already hugely successful Norte dame and Wharton grad with a huge network of millionaires for "diversity"


Yeah, and I worked there. You know nothing. MBAs are a fucking dime a dozen now.
Goldman isn't playing the diversity game  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/28/2018 12:17 pm : link
at least I wouldn't define it that way. They are making a bet that his connections, established personality/standing and his educational background will make him a solid member of the team, help bring in clients, and perhaps give them an inside track to a slew of potential clients and portfolios. It's part of the reason there is a current Giant who wouldn't be described as "diverse" doing the same internship on the team Tuck did last year, presumably leading to a similar opportunity when his playing career is over. It's also why the team had a position for someone a few years ago that had connections to certain top-level athletes (though that didn't work out).
plenty of rich Giants fans  
spike : 6/28/2018 12:28 pm : link
would want to connect with Tuck and his shiny rings and talk investments on the side. Maybe at a game?
Not only rich fans, but rich players  
JonC : 6/28/2018 12:32 pm : link
NYG has had a relationship with GS for many years, GS will absolutely bet on a man like Tuck to bring in new affluent clientele.
Let's face it  
JonC : 6/28/2018 12:33 pm : link
with his success in pro football and a Wharton MBA, Tuck has a ton more going for him than a "regular" Wharton MBA, let alone average Joe. Success breeds success etc.
RE: goldman is playing the diversity game  
njm : 6/28/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14001052 mdc1 said:
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but it won't save you from sleeping on the coach in your office and the results. At some point the numbers better be there.


My guess is that a white player with a similar background and credentials would also be hired by Goldman (Steve DeOssie if he got an MBA?). I don't think this is a diversity game.
wrong DeOssie  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/28/2018 12:52 pm : link
and he started last week.
RE: wrong DeOssie  
njm : 6/28/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14001659 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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and he started last week.


Oops. You're right!
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ron mexico : 6/28/2018 1:30 pm : link
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but it won't save you from sleeping on the coach in your office and the results. At some point the numbers better be there.



Yeah they hired the already hugely successful Norte dame and Wharton grad with a huge network of millionaires for "diversity"



Yeah, and I worked there. You know nothing. MBAs are a fucking dime a dozen now.


As a MBA grad who spent most of his career at investment banks, I know a thing or two.

MBAs are a dime a dozen but a Wharton MBA is not.

But private bankers are also a dime a dozen. I doubt many of his fellow Wharton grads are super jealous of his role.

But like I said before, they probably also don't have his network and couldn't capitalize on it like he will likely be able to.

In no way is this a diversity or for show hire.
Doesn’t need to be one or the other  
bigbluehoya : 6/28/2018 1:37 pm : link
It’s a guy who’s proven he is hard-working, has a good education, and brings a rolodex.

The fact that it’s also a diversity hire 100% makes it even more appealing for the bank. It’s a factual reality of a big bank today (I’d say any big corporation, but my experience is limited to banking), and I say that without bias or judgment.

Good for Tuck. He’s an admirable guy, to me.
not to mention  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/28/2018 2:01 pm : link
that he has been a millionaire, presumably interested in the dealings of his portfolio since he was drafted in 2005. While he may not have worked in finance outside of his undergrad and MBA degrees, how many MBA candidates also have that experience?
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